Those of you who have always lived in mild climates have no idea how good you have it, car-wise. Cheap, plentiful, rust-free cars are a luxury not afforded to those who live in harsher environments. If you’re looking for a used car in, say, the upper Midwest, rust is going to inform your every automotive decision.
Yesterday we looked at two good-running beaters from here in Maryland, and to my great surprise, the PT Cruiser seems to be winning. I thought for sure that the Nissan Sentra’s better condition and more thorough description would give it the win, but apparently most of you have zero faith in the Jatco transmission’s ability to keep transmitting power.


That’s definitely a consideration, but I think I’d give the PT Cruiser the edge for two other reasons: cargo capacity, and parts and service availability. Mechanically, it’s pretty much the same as zillions of Stratuses (Strata?) and Neons, so you can be confident that any decent mechanic anywhere can keep it on the road. I wouldn’t have the same certainty about the Sentra and its CVT.
Today’s choices are both known to be durable and reliable cars, but both also have a tendency to rust in some bad places. This wouldn’t be a problem – except that they’re both in the Minneapolis/St. Paul suburbs, where road crews use salt as freely as Rachael Ray uses extra-virgin olive oil. Neither one looks too bad yet, but looks can be deceiving when it comes to rust. I’ll leave it up to you to decide which one looks more trustworthy.
1992 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale – $2,450

Engine/drivetrain: 3.8-liter OHV V6, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Little Falls, MN
Odometer reading: 138,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
In 1985, General Motors began replacing its long-serving B-body sedans with something entirely new: the front-wheel-drive H platform. You could hear the howls of dissent from miles away when long-time GM buyers found out, but the H-body cars spoke for themselves. They were more efficient, better built, and at least as comfortable as their predecessors, and as a bonus, turned out to be rock-solid reliable. This is Oldsmobile’s version, the Eighty-Eight Royale.

Much of the H-body’s reputation for reliability and durability comes from its engine, the 3800 V6, a Buick design that dates back to 1962. GM sold the tooling for the engine to Kaiser in 1967, bought it back in 1974, and refined it into a legend. It produces 170 horsepower in this form, and with the exception of fragile intake manifold gaskets, will spin happily under the Eighty Eight’s hood until the end of time. It drives the front wheels through a 4T60-E automatic transmission, which, as long as its fluid is kept clean, is just about as durable. This one had one owner, from the sound of it, who put only 138,000 miles on it and maintained it carefully.

This car’s mechanical specification and exterior styling were modernized during the redesign, but the interior remained a throwback to earlier days. The bordello-red color, the split bench seat, and the column-mounted gearshift aren’t all that different from an Oldsmobile sedan from the 1970s. Despite the grand-sounding name, the “Royale” is actually the base model of this car, and this one doesn’t look like it has anything beyond the basic standard equipment. It’s in acceptable shape, but it’s a little threadbare in places. I bet it’s still mighty comfortable, though.

It has one original hubcap and three Wal-Mart specials. The paint looks pretty good, but it’s so dusty that it’s hard to tell. It doesn’t appear to have any rust, but these cars usually don’t, at least on the outside. The front subframe, on the other hand, tends to collect water and slush and rust from the inside out. There’s no way to know how rusty it is without getting underneath and poking around. Check the rocker panels while you’re under there, too; the plastic cladding can hide rust.
1998 Honda Accord LX – $2,495

Engine/drivetrain: 2.3-liter OHC inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Lino Lakes, MN
Odometer reading: 238,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
This Honda Accord is for sale at a dealership called Bob’s Auto Ranch, a place where I have actually bought a car before – an Accord, in fact, back in 1995. It served me well for about a year, until the rear brakes failed and I discovered it was too rusty to jack up and repair. But that was a 1984 model, back when a good stiff damp breeze was enough to cause a Honda to rust. This 1998 model seems to be quite a bit more robust.

This sixth-generation Accord is more refined and powerful than my old one, with a 2.3-liter four-cylinder engine producing 135 horsepower. It has an automatic transmission, which is probably a disappointment to some of you, but remember, we’re looking for a good, inexpensive car for non-gearheads here, and most folks would rather not bother with a manual. It runs and drives well, but as is typical of cheap cars from dealerships, there’s no maintenance history to be had. Plan to take it to a good mechanic and have it checked over to make sure it’s ready to go.

It’s an LX model, so it has power windows and locks, as well as air conditioning, which works fine. Someone has added a modern touchscreen stereo to it, but very few cars reach this age with their factory stereos intact. It’s in good condition overall, but the steering wheel and center armrest are pretty grubby. Steering wheel covers are easy enough to find, or you can make your own. And I bet, if you’re handy with a needle and thread, you could make a new cover for the armrest, too. Little things like that can really spruce up an old car like this, and make it your own in the process.

It does have some rust, most notably in the rear wheel arches, which is typical of Accords of pretty much any generation. You’d have to see it in person to see how bad it really is. But the one I had looked a whole lot worse than this when I bought it, and it lasted a year, so this one probably has some life in it yet.
Finding a decent cheap car in places with harsh winters can be a real challenge. The best way to handle it is to keep your expectations manageable and not worry about rust unless it’s structural. There’s no vehicle inspection in Minnesota – though maybe there should be – so you’re kind of on your own. Bring a screwdriver to poke with, a fridge magnet to check for Bondo, and a flashlight. Which one of these do you feel more optimistic about?
3800 with 139k miles is basically nothing on the engine. Drive the car until it rusts out, pull the engine, junk it, and buy a Fiero for the engine.
I like your thinking!
The Honda wins by default. Plus, there’s no guarantee that the other car is any less rusty underneath.
Yeah the red interior is cool, but it’s still not as good as a Honda.
I’ll take the Olds for my mom, who lives in MN. It’s exactly her style; she’s driving a 2010-ish Buick version of that now.
Reluctant vote for the Accord. The Olds is a tank, but I just can’t bring myself to pick something that drives like a cruise ship.
Olds. Coming in I was set to vote for the Honda, but it is in too rough of shape. Plus, those H-bodies were, and probably still are, everywhere when I lived in that area. They were impressively rust-resistant, which wasn’t true of other contemporary GM vehicles of the same era, and they are comfy even if not that pleasant to look at.
Lower miles, more power, and a delightfully garish interior have drawn me to the Olds.
I currently own a nearly identical Accord, although mine is in WAY better shape and has 90k less miles on it. It is a fabulous and very comfortable car. That said, this one has had 100k more miles to rust out than the Olds, so as long as the sub frame and rockers are good on it, give me the Olds.
The Accord if it were manual, but I’m going with the Olds if it’s between slushboxes – it’s a 3800 and right in GM’s wheelhouse when getting an automatic in a Honda was like ordering the chicken at a seafood restaurant. And the red velour interior’s a plus!
Normally I’d say Accord – but in this case….
Olds is more comfy, plus the Accord can’t legally be driven in MA without rust repairs, and I hate doing those.
3800 reasons to pick the Olds. 100,000 more reasons NOT to pick the Honda.
That generation of H-body helped cement the proverb, “GM cars will run badly longer than most cars will run.” Lots of life left in the old gal yet.
Always thought the H-bodies didn’t get enough love. And I’ll never say no to a colored interior.
Little Falls is not a MSP suburb.
Nevertheless, I’m driving a couple hours north to get that Olds. More spacious, more comfy, less visible rust.
I’m not from the area, so I looked on a map. Calling it a suburb is quite the stretch!
100 miles, but that would be a suburb of Houston, just outside city limits. (joking a bit)
By the same token, St Cloud would be considered a Mpls suburb. It’s only 65.5 miles away.
Yep, it’s right down Hwy 10 from Royalton, where my dad grew up and relatives still live.
Tell them to get rid of that stoplight!
It’s the only one left on 10 between Clear Lake and Motley, and can get extremely backed up during cabin season.
Olds is a hand me down from a grandparent that loved that thing at one time. Sad it ended up in a BHPH lot, but I still feel like it has more life in it and has lead a Maintained life. The Honda is one or two owners away from that status.
That olds is just so much more comfortable than the accord, and a legendary engine that gets great MPG. Easy win for the olds.
There are a great many of that generation Honda Accord still roaming the roads in the north.
It’s in its element as a point-a-to-b commuter. Hit the worst of the rust with a brush and a can of grey/silver zinc-heavy-primer to slow down the inevitable.
I am actually surprised the BHPH sales dudes did not do this already, along with the front bumper. I would be more concerned about how little they did elsewhere to prep this thing for a quick sell?
I will close my eyes (that shade of red interior is nauseating) and take my grandmother’s Olds….it was the last car she purchased. (Grandpa would NEVER of picked a red interior)
Honda has another ton of miles…and it has that near end of life vibe.
The Olds is built for exactly this environment. The Accord, while a great car, is more built for… Cali or Texas. If you could plot on a map the location of all the active 3800-powered cars in the US, it would look very much like a map of “Culver’s” locations.
Ugh, there’s a reason I live south of I-10, so I’ll never have to make this decision. I clicked on the Olds anyways though just for that amazing interior.
Neither. Cheap beaters may be harder to come by up north, but there are several better options for $2,500 on the Minneapolis craigslist. If I am looking for reliable transportation, I at least want something from the current millennium. I couldn’t care less about a particular vehicle’s reputation for reliability when it is 27 years old, much less 33.
Here is your Saturn VUE….Enjoy https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/cto/d/minneapolis-2006-saturn-vue/7886273074.html
There might not be much of a Delta between the two but I’m Eighty Eight percent sure I’d take the Olds over the Honda on Accord of the rust.
Bravo!
COTD
I’ve always thought old Japanese>Old American, but then I got a look at the rust. Two boring silver crapboxes, but the Olds looks comfy at least.
I have driven an accord in MN winters and no thanks. I will take the unkillable GM mule. And yes moving from a inspection state to mn made me miss the inspections. Cars in mn are driven way past their safe state.
That Olds interior… it’s like finding out your grandparents wear matching studded leather thongs.
Gimme the Olds anyway.
Royale with cheese…
That Honda is a mess already.
Get the Olds shot with Fluid Film every year. Drive on.