Cars have cheap price tags for a lot of reasons. They might have mechanical issues, body damage, or other wear and tear. In this case, there’s nothing really wrong with either car – but they have covered a lot of miles. High mileage isn’t as scary as it used to be, but it will still drag down a car’s value.
Yesterday, we took a look at an older and a newer model of the same car, and it’s clear that to the majority of you, the old ways are the best ways. The big red ’76 Impala absolutely creamed the 2005 model. The general consensus seems to have been that the newer Impala would make fine basic transportation, but it isn’t really a desirable car. Big Red might very well have more rust than the seller is letting on, as many of you suspected, but it would have to be pretty bad to make it a bad deal.


I’m lucky enough to no longer be in the market for $1,500 beaters just to get to work and back, so I have no use for the ’05 Impala. I don’t have any use for a big-ass ’70s land barge either, but given the choice between the two, it’s the one I would choose as well.
It used to be that when a car hit 100,000 miles, it was done for. It didn’t matter where it came from or who built it. If you were absolutely meticulous about maintaining it, you could get a car to go further, but before long you’d be rebuilding and replacing things left and right. Over the last 30 years or so, reliability and durability has improved across the board to the point where almost any car can hit 200,000 miles with not much more than routine maintenance and a few replacement parts. These two are nothing special, just ordinary everyday economy cars that have rolled a quarter of a million miles and still run just fine. Let’s check them out.
2008 Chrysler PT Cruiser – $1,500

Engine/drivetrain: 2.4-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Northridge, CA
Odometer reading: 245,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
Yep – it’s the car so many of you love to hate, the Plymouth Neon Station Wagon-I mean, Chrysler PT Cruiser. It’s the car that went from popular show car to wait-listed production model to butt of many jokes in less than a decade. But as the years have gone by, the PT Cruiser has had the last laugh: it has turned out to be a pretty good, practical, reliable, cheap used car.

The standard PT Cruiser engine is Chrysler’s 2.4 liter twin-cam four, the same one found under the hoods of so many Dodge Stratus sedans. It was available with either a five-speed manual or a four-speed Ultradrive automatic transmission; this one has the automatic. Yeah, I know. At least Chrysler had worked the bugs out of the Ultradrive by this point. It has 245,000 miles on it, and the seller says it runs and drives just fine.

This is a post-facelift PT, when Chrysler toned down the retro aspects of the interior and tried to bring it into the 2000s. The result is that it looks a lot like a Dodge Caliber inside, and that’s not a good thing. Gray plastic abounds. Oh well; at least it has held up well, and it looks nice and clean. The seller says the air conditioner works fine, too.

The outside is clean too, and the paint is nice and shiny. Too bad it’s refrigerator-white. PT Cruisers came in some nice colors, too; purple was popular, and there was a really nice slate blue as well. I guess the original buyer of this one was just boring. Could be worse, I suppose – fake woodgrain was available too.
2010 Ford Focus SE – $1,900

Engine/drivetrain: 2.0-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Fullerton, CA
Odometer reading: 253,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
Ford has been pushing the idea of a “world car” for years, but of course, we all know it’s largely bullshit. For a couple of years, though, when the Focus was introduced, our version was almost the same as Europe’s, to the point where you’d have to put the two cars side-by-side to tell them apart. In 2004, however, Europe got an all-new Focus, and we got a facelift and a new engine. In 2008, the American version got new sheetmetal and a bunch of structural improvements, and sadly lost its hatchback and wagon variants. All that was left was a two-door coupe, and this four-door sedan.

Under the hood is the celebrated Ford Duratec/Mazda MZR four-cylinder, displacing two liters and making 140 horsepower. It drives the front wheels through a four-speed automatic, also a Mazda joint venture. It’s a reliable and durable combination, and this one has more than a quarter million miles under its belt to prove it. The seller says it runs and drives well, but doesn’t go into details.

The original Focus interior was a cool design, as bold and modern as the outside was. Over the years, it got less daring and more like Ford’s other US offerings, which is to say, dull. Just like with the PT Cruiser, it’s as if the designers started listening to focus groups (no pun intended) instead of their gut instinct when it came time for a facelift, and the result is this design-by-committee snoozefest. It shows some signs of wear and tear, but considering the mileage, it looks pretty good.

Outside, it’s a good color, and it’s nice and shiny, but I’ll never understand how this stubby sedan shape with a mail-slot trunk opening is more desirable than the original hatchback version. Some of the panel gaps, especially where the bumpers join up, are a little off; odds are the bumpers have done their job a time or two over the years.
Of all the ways to save money on a car, seeking out something with lots of miles seems like the safest bet. High miles on a good-running car are a good sign that it’s been maintained, and as long as an inspection doesn’t reveal anything about to give out, you shouldn’t let a big number on the odometer scare you. I realize these two are nobody’s idea of dream cars, but for the price, they could be good cheap runabouts for someone. Which one are you going for?
That Ford is fucking hideous. The pre-facelift PT would be better,but I’ll take that.
That’s the Fugliest era of Focus ever.
Ironically it was also the most dependable era of Focus. Hence an easy win over the PT Bruiser
Duratec > 2.4 Neon engine
4F27 >>> 40TE
Focii always drove better than you’d expect – IIRC Jackie Stewart was involved in the chassis tuning. I had a wagon with a 5-speed, and then the hot hatch SVT with a 6-speed. I miss them both. But this is the most boring version of the Focus.
Cruisers also drove better than expected; that happy Neon platform says “Hi!” Surprisingly practical interiors, and I never hated the retro look. I’d like it still better with a stick, but today it’s PT for me.
Easy choice today. I just cannot picture myself in a Cruiser. I just can’t. I got one as a rental once and hated it. Same with a rental HHR I got once. Several Focus rentals were fine, decent even. I could drive the Ford and pretend I was in Europe or something.
They used to give me that generation focus’ as a loaner and I think I had one as rental a few times. Almost always stripper models. I was fairly impressed with them for what they were. It’s not a terrible car. It has decent enough power handles of is comfortable enough. Had the sync system with the little monochrome display. USPS has a fleet of them still going strong. At the time some dealers were selling them for under $10k definitely a solid deal. I knew several guys that bought them for their teenage daughters after driving them. The pt cruiser on the other hand is a spiteful uncomfortable thing that should have died with their original owners.
Had a PT Cruiser for a while, it wasn’t ex’s daily commuter. At around 60K miles, the transmission failed, so rebuilt goes in. We split up, she moves to another state, and at around 80K miles, the rebuilt fails.
While I thought the Cruiser was a decent vehicle, I’ll take anything else.
I have experience with both as rentals. PT Cruiser = Never Again.
This was difficult only because they are both…shit. PT Bruiser vs a Fix Or Repair Daily? Ok, you made me pick a PT. At least it has more room and is classified as a truck. That Found On Road Dead is just such boring junk (the only good thing is the Mazda drivetrain)
“Wagon” > sedan
Utility wins today.
Can’t have the PT, would have to turn in my man card 🙂
For my money a MZR/Duratec is the obvious choice over that pile of a 2.4
The Rando Minivan rear interior shot threw me for a sec on the Focus. and this is kind of the sweet spot for reliability when you talk Focus, especially with and auto and no turb motor planning to burn and then crack either the 2 or 3 cylinder wall. Color is good too. but the stealership aspect is pushing more towards the probably more honest PT in this case. I would probably not want to actually drive either of these, but certainly for a starter car for my daughter, I would be good with the PT.
In my experience, the Focus’s biggest problem is that the bottoms rusted out quickly in salt-heavy areas. This is a California car, so it’s not going to be a problem; it will likely run well for years and years, and is more fun to drive than the PT Cruiser. My spouse had one when we moved in together, and aside from the rust (and cat scratches on the dash from a cross-country move) it was rock-solid. Putting a decent set of tires on it made it a tossable, fun-to-drive commuter car!
Brake Lines tended to rust out too, but otherwise these were ok small cars for a ford based vehicle.
I already owned a Focus of this generation. It was fine–not bad, not good, just fine. As a result, I’m going to take a chance on a 245,000 mile Mopar product because YOLO.
Wow, this is tough. The worst Focus ever vs the most embarrassing car available for sale. The PT is probably the better car, and at least it’s got hatchback utility. PT wins, I guess.
Worst looking Focus ever? So true.
Most dependable powertrain ever put in a Focus this side of the pond (only the 5spd would be better). Also true
Yeah, homely AF and no hatchback, but more dependable than the later DCT/Ecoboost cars.
Ya know, I’m not a Dodge/Chrysler fan, but I do love me some retro-ish looks (and hatchbacks) and that Focus is just so… boring. And I love how the PT sort of, kind of, if you squint, looks reminiscent of a London Black Taxi in the rear 3/4 view. Yep, I have to give it to the PT Cruiser this time.
Voted for the PT as I know they are decent cars. However, the manual ones are a lot better than the slushbox ones.
Also that gen of Focus is UUUUUGLLLLEEEE.. and also has the slushbox.
It’s been a long time since high school so I don’t care if I get called a PT Loser. Wagon > sedan
The Focus is objectively the better car in virtually every way… but I’ve had wicked plans for a PT Cruiser for the right price for a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG time.
So PT it is, but just barely, this one is just past the budget I had in mind.
Despite my firmly held belief that wagon is always the answer in this case I have to go with the Focus on this one.
Freshman year of college a buddy’s dad worked for Chrysler and got a PT Cruiser as a company / test car a couple months before they came out. We got to mess around in it a bit and it seemed cool because it was so different. I am definitely not opposed to all PTs but this one really doesn’t have anything going for it.
Taking my Autopian hat off (seriously, where are those to buy?) and thinking back on the days when I needed cheap transportation, either of those would do. I don’t like PT Cruisers but if I needed a basic car it would work. Same with the Focus. For cheap either would work, but if both of them were on the same lot and I had money in my hand I’d pick the Focus, mostly because of the engine and it isn’t appliance white.
With my Autopian hat firmly on, though, I found this instead. Sorry, it’s a FB marketplace listing.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/506996505031196/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A99a31a6e-feb3-4f7a-8bd7-3d4b58ec600d
There’s cheaper.
Well crap that’s even better. What I get for living in SW Virginia.
Portland is a SAAB wonderland.
Truly torn today! I have no PT hate like so many and kind of like the retro styling and interior room. But with that many miles, I’ll go with the Mazda powertrain.