I love the phrase “nauseously optimistic,” because that’s how I feel most of the time when something is going well. While I’m a generally positive person, I cannot entirely silence the voice in the back of my head that enumerates all the things that could go wrong. It’s how I would describe every Mariners fan going into the bottom of the 7th inning last night.
Are automakers happy about losing billions of dollars to tariffs and having to shift a bunch of their production? Probably not. Is it as bad as it could have been? Also, probably not. The temptation I always have when writing The Morning Dump is to give in to either doomerism or unqualified exuberance. To get lost in the sound of battle and not see the larger map.
This was the case when I started writing TMD, and it simultaneously seemed like the industry would never pull itself out of the chip shortage and somehow also sell 10 trillion EVs in the United States by the end of the decade. I like to think I resisted both, although I’m sure you can find examples of me giving in to temptation just a little bit.
With tariffs, it’s been easy to assume that everything would go wrong and automakers wouldn’t absorb any of the costs. That’s not quite what happened. Instead, GM thinks it’ll do ok, and most analysts are saying the sky hasn’t entirely fallen.
You want some doomerism? Here’s some doomerism: Toyota’s reasoning for not selling the Baby FJ is super bleak and makes me sad. It’s also the inverse of why some Europeans really don’t want our cars.
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And optimism? Here’s some optimism: Dacia Duster. That’s it. Dacia Duster.
GM Slightly Revises Up Earnings Estimates For 2025
Source: GM
Going into the year, most automakers had rosy predictions for how much money they’d all make. For some reason, they didn’t take the threat of a global trade war seriously. And then it happened, and it was a mess, and none of it made any kind of sense.
The good news for automakers, depending on your perspective, is either that President Trump always “chickens out” (the TACO trade) or that the President is willing to listen and to adjust policy as necessary. You can imprint your views on the news that the White House is considering importing beef from Argentina to help bail out that country and lower costs, and what it means for a White House that’s trying to make the case that we should do the opposite for seemingly every other product sold from any other place.
Either way, GM sees things as not so bad. The company’s Q3 earnings data isn’t great, as earnings and net income both declined significantly. The market expected worse, and CEO Mary Barra, in her letter to shareholders, acknowledged that the company is in a position to slightly raise its lowered revenue guidance for the year:
Thanks to the collective efforts of our team, and our compelling vehicle portfolio, GM delivered another very good quarter of earnings and free cash flow. In the U.S., we achieved our highest third-quarter market share since 2017 with strong margins, and our restructured China business was profitable once again. Based on our performance, we are raising our full-year guidance, underscoring our confidence in the company’s trajectory.
One of the big changes, she notes, is the MSRP offset announced last week. Now that automakers can deduct a huge portion of tariffs if the cars are assembled in the United States, there’s going to be less of an impact going forward. This applies not only to American automakers, but also to any company that builds a lot of cars here (Honda, Toyota, et cetera).
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This does make me wonder if the White House isn’t inadvertently encouraging companies to raise the MSRPs of their cars and then discount on the back end, thus giving themselves more tariff relief.
American Car Execs Are Less Freaked Out, But That Doesn’t Mean Things Are Perfect
Source: Ford
As much as I’d like to enjoy the moment of blissful optimism, carmakers and CEOs are mostly saying it’s not going to be as bad as they thought, not that it’s going to be immediately great.
There’s a good CNBC article today that goes through a lot of what analysts and carmakers are saying, and it’s mostly: It could have been worse. Here’s a nice summation:
“There’s some positives for next year, but there could also be some really bad negatives if there’s a freak out on tariffs or the consumer finally breaks down or whatnot,” Morningstar analyst David Whiston told CNBC. “But no one’s calling for a complete crash.”
Whiston — who covers GM, Ford and several auto retailers and suppliers — characterized his outlook as “cautiously optimistic,” saying the significant industry concerns are countered by other bullish circumstances.
UBS analyst Joseph Spak agreed, noting a lot of challenges for automakers such as tariffs and losses on electric vehicles “have already been incorporated into 2025/2026 estimates,” he said in an investor note last month.
Again, some of this is premised on nothing bad ever happening. If there’s a drop in consumer confidence, a run on the banks, or whatever, this tenuous peace we have could break.
Toyota Says The Baby FJ Is Too Small For Us
Photo credit: Toyota
We finally got to see the Baby Land Cruiser FJ, and I love it. At the same time that it was announced, it also became clear that we’re not getting it. Ugh! Why?
The FJ will be built in Thailand and target emerging markets in Southeast Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America, Uchiyama said. It will also be offered in Japan.
Uchiyama, who oversees the entire Land Cruiser family, said the FJ is too small for the U.S.
“There are no plans for America or Europe,” Uchiyama told Automotive News during an Oct. 20 preview at Toyota’s Higashi-Fuji technical center. “The start point for this is the global South.”
You sonofabiiiiiiish!
American Cars Are Too Big For Europe, Says Some Europeans
Source: GM
I love going to the UK and counting how many Mustangs I see. The Brits love a Mustang. Actually, all good people love a Mustang.
That being said, the environmental policy group Transport and Environment is not super pleased about the US and EU harmonizing standards as a way to get the Trump admin to lower tariffs. Why? Our cars are not built for European roads:
The deal agreed over summer states that “with respect to automobiles, the United States and the European Union intend to accept and provide mutual recognition to each other’s standards.” Yet, EU vehicle safety regulations have supported a 36% reduction in European road deaths since 2010. By contrast, road deaths in the US over the same period increased 30%, with pedestrian deaths up 80% and cyclist deaths up 50%.
Europe currently has mandatory requirements for life-saving technologies, such as pedestrian protection, automated emergency braking and lane-keeping assistance. Some of the most basic pedestrian protection requirements which have long been in place in the EU, such as deformation zones in the front of vehicles to reduce crash severity and the prohibition of sharp edges have made cars like the Tesla Cybertruck illegal to sell in Europe.
“Europe built its reputation on pioneering robust vehicle standards.To accept lower US standards would undo decades of EU progress,” say the signatories. According to the letter “the consequences of such a move for European road safety would be profound.”
Look, I don’t care about your facts; I only care about my feelings. And my feeling is that it would be a lot of fun to roll around Barcelona in a Bronco Raptor.
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Also, yeah, many of our cars are not really built for European roads, which is why I think this is somewhat overblown. While a few people might import some interesting cars, I think generally American HD trucks aren’t going to be that appealing to Europeans.
You know what Europeans buy a lot of? The same sort of mid-size and smaller crossovers that Americans are buying in huge numbers.
Dacia Duster
Source: Dacia
You know what’s a small SUV I’d love to see here rebadged as a Nissan? The super cheap Dacia Duster. Here’s a Dacia Duster Extreme 4×4 being used by the Bridgnorth Community First Responders.
The volunteer-led organisation, which began in 2001 as part of an initiative to support ambulance services in remote areas, has grown into a vital lifeline for the local community. Trained by West Midlands Ambulance Service in advanced first aid, the eleven-strong team of volunteers respond to 999 emergencies across Bridgnorth and the surrounding villages, providing critical care in the vital minutes before an ambulance arrives.
Source: Dacia
To mark their upcoming 20th anniversary and keep pace with increasing demand, the group has invested in a new Dacia Duster Extreme 4×4, replacing their decade-old vehicle. It was a choice driven by both necessity and pragmatism.
I’m a fan of both necessity and pragmatism.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
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Have I really never done “Big in Japan” by Tom Waits off the excellent Mule Variations? That seems unlikely. Apologies if I’ve done this one before; it just fit today.
A long-time writer and editor in the car space, you may have read my work in Wired, Jalopnik, and the newsletter for my local Ultimate Frisbee team. I love writing about the car industry, driving minivans, and dreaming about owning various European Fast Fords. I drive an E39 530i Sport (with the stick) and a CR-V Hybrid. You can email me at matt@theautopian.com or follow me on Instagram. Oh, I'm also the Publisher of The Autopian. That seems less interesting than the European Fords thing, though.
I did love my ’01 Jetta TDI. But I don’t like how VWOA treated me on warranty issues. So, I’m back to Honda, which generally don’t have warranty issues. I might do a Toyota or Mazda or maybe even a Hyundai/Kia next time. If there is a next time. My ’17 Accord could well outlive me. And it is so competent in so many ways. I don’t need anything more.
4jim
3 months ago
I think Toyota is more worried about how badly Americans would drive a BOF 4×4 that is the size of a FWD/AWD crossover. They do not want a Samurai publicity fiasco.
Too big for Europe F-350 4 door long box
too small for the US: NONE
perfect everywhere Suzuki Jimny (Bringing on the hate)
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Who Knows
3 months ago
“The FJ will be built in Thailand and target emerging markets”, so the US will probably qualify for it in a few year’s time, once we’ve regressed to an equivalent of the 1930s?
We’re still in the pre-October 1929 phase. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
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I don't hate manual transmissions
3 months ago
Nothing encapsulates America today better than this:
“Look, I don’t care about your facts; I only care about my feelings.”
Canopysaurus
3 months ago
OK, Doomer.
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Church
3 months ago
Re: Big in Japan, I had a heavy-set co-worker who moved to Japan after when we both left the company. He came back after several years and sang this song at karaoke. Because he was big. And in Japan. I guess you had to be there.
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
3 months ago
Again, some of this is premised on nothing bad ever happening. If there’s a drop in consumer confidence, a run on the banks, or whatever, this tenuous peace we have could break.
Well that’s good, because when you think of the current administration the first things that immediately come to mind are stability and predictability.
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James McHenry
3 months ago
Any full size pickup.
French license-free Microcars
Subcompact hatch, sedan, coupe, wagon
But think of how many communities in Florida would benefit from “proper” vehicles rather than golf carts. The Bellier B8 Cabrio would totally fit the retiree style.
…okay, but so long as you still need a valid license to drive them. Local communities only just banned clip-on motors on DUI-bikes, we don’t need an entire class of DUI-cars. Golf Carts included.
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Nsane In The MembraNe
3 months ago
Toyota was never going to sell the new FJ here because it knows it has an infinite supply of idiots who will line up in droves to buy Tacos, 4Runners. Tundras, etc. on 10 year loans at 10% APR. The truck industrial complex is more or less a busted ATM machine just shitting out money for manufacturers right now. Is it sustainable? Almost certainly not, but who cares? Line go UP!
Anyway I don’t even think many of our cars are fit for our own roads anymore. A single misplaced brodozer or kitted out Angry Wrangler is enough to totally shut traffic down for a period of time in most major cities. I see it frequently here in DC…some dude in town from Tex-Ass in his F350 Big Peen0r edition who’s hoping God Emperor Trump notices him winds up on a busy one way he can’t fit down and everything around him stops for 10 minutes, including EMS…
I just don’t think the new Renegade FJ would’ve sold well here. The people in the US who want a Land Cruiser are going to buy a Land Cruiser, the ones who want a 4Runner are going to buy those, and between Toyota and Subaru the crossover market is pretty much covered. Another option, and a very weird-looking one at that, would be white noise IMO.
This, all the comments in the main article on it saying Toyota is cowardly because they don’t want it eating into 4Runner sales…I can’t imagine any of the 4Runner/LC buyers saying “thank you Toyota, I can save 10-20-30 grand and get this instead.”
It’s sized like a RAV4 but it wouldn’t wind up cheaper than that by any means. A RAV4 Woodland covers most of the outdoorsy things for most people and that’s already inching toward 40k and 4Runner territory.
The powertrain alone would take it out of the running for most people on this site. It’s not going to be any quicker or efficient than a 4Runner and certainly not the hybrid RAV that would be priced right there.
Agreed. The thing about earlier BOF mini-offroaders like the Suzuki Samurai was that they were both cheap and appealing. This wouldn’t be the former and the latter, well, YMMV.
I’m sure it’s dog slow, loud, and looks like a miserable place to spend time in, but of course we have to do the fake over-the-top Reddit-style outrage thing because it’s not being sold here.
The Venn Diagram of those complaining (about lack of US availability) and those who would actually buy one is 2 circles barely touching (I’m sure there are like 5 people out there who would be all over this thing…)
It’s hideous. And I’m sorry, but 161 horsepower in something like that is really not enough for it to be viable in the US.
Spikedlemon
3 months ago
MSRPs of their cars and then discount on the back end, thusgiving themselves more tariff relief. making buyers think they’re getting a deal, whilst still paying more for the same product and helping bury the impression of inflation caused by taxation, tariffs, and general turmoil.
Whenever I’ve seen interviews or he’s been in some movies, he seems cool, I just can’t get into his music no matter how many music nerd friends had me listen to him.
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Mr. Stabby
3 months ago
It’s how I would describe every Mariners fan going into the bottom of the 7th inning last night.
Lol, only the new ones. Those of us who have grown up with the Mariners knew we would blow it. Specifically, I knew we would blow it when Rivas swung and missed by like two feet on a not particularly nasty slider for his first K, and Wilson didn’t immediately swap him out. This loss should hurt more, but somehow it just feels like life getting back to normal.
Trust me there was some strong pessimism that the Mariners would find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and they certainly delivered. I remember 1995.
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RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
3 months ago
Any crew cab 1-ton dually truck with an 8′ bed.
None. Plenty of small cars have sold well on this side of the pond.
Toyota Corolla.
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Toecutter
3 months ago
1- Chevrolet Silverado
2- None
3- Messershmidt KR200
Surprised it took me this long to find someone who answered Miata!
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
3 months ago
M35 deuce and a half
Citroen Ami
Ford Ranger single cab
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Stacheface
3 months ago
70’s Cadillac Fleetwood
Tata Nano
Chevy SS
On the difference in Europe vs US road and pedestrian deaths, I wonder how much is due to vehicle technology and how much is due to the larger proportion of big trucks and SUVs in the US
No, it’s not big vehicles. It’s cell phones. Pedestrians should take some accountability and stop looking at their phones before they jump in front of vehicles with 4 ft (1.2 meter) hood heights. Europe, famously, has not adopted these large vehicles nor cell phones.
That is…not where I thought you were going with that.
“No, it’s not big vehicles. It’s cell phones.” – Oh thank goodness someone addresses the issue of distracted driving, particularly at the intersection of vehicle mass and hood heigh-
“…Pedestrians should take some accountability” hm.
Yeah, how is mandated “lane keep harassment” helping reduce outside vehicle fatalities? If anything, it encourages you to hit people so you don’t have to hear it beeping when you cross a line to give someone space. I’d put money on it being almost entirely down to differences in infrastructure, vehicles, and driver training. Our pickups—always at the top of the list of the most popular vehicles being sold—have deformable pedestrian zones above the engines, too, but you’d have to be 12′ tall to land on it. Everyone else gets broken and thrown by the grille, not that the driver would notice with the tractor trailer-sized forward blind spot, overwhelming mass that resists imparting the thud of a body, and distraction-encouraging touchscreens to fiddle with.
Yanky Mate
3 months ago
Matt, if you are prepared to move to India, you can get to enjoy a Nissanized Duster. it’s called the Nissan Tekton and it looks like an Armada which was hit with a shrink ray.
it will only come out in the middle of 2026 though
about your question
1. Chevy Silverado EV
2. Chevy Spark EUV
3. Chevy Equinox EV
That reminds me of when I went to Brazil in 2010 and rode around in a first generation Ford Ecosport. It looks like someone hit the Escape with a shrink ray.
The Honda E would be fine if Smart managed to move cars in the beginning id say go for it- Realistically the Honda e as a limited release once tooling is cheap would not kill Honda, also the Fiat 500 still somehow exists so there is that
First, name a car too big for Europe.
Hummer EV.
Name a car too small for the United States
Renault Twizy.
Name a car that’s the perfect size for everywhere
VW Golf.
I did love my ’01 Jetta TDI. But I don’t like how VWOA treated me on warranty issues. So, I’m back to Honda, which generally don’t have warranty issues. I might do a Toyota or Mazda or maybe even a Hyundai/Kia next time. If there is a next time. My ’17 Accord could well outlive me. And it is so competent in so many ways. I don’t need anything more.
I think Toyota is more worried about how badly Americans would drive a BOF 4×4 that is the size of a FWD/AWD crossover. They do not want a Samurai publicity fiasco.
Too big for Europe F-350 4 door long box
too small for the US: NONE
perfect everywhere Suzuki Jimny (Bringing on the hate)
“The FJ will be built in Thailand and target emerging markets”, so the US will probably qualify for it in a few year’s time, once we’ve regressed to an equivalent of the 1930s?
it already feels like the 1930s
We’re still in the pre-October 1929 phase. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Nothing encapsulates America today better than this:
“Look, I don’t care about your facts; I only care about my feelings.”
OK, Doomer.
Re: Big in Japan, I had a heavy-set co-worker who moved to Japan after when we both left the company. He came back after several years and sang this song at karaoke. Because he was big. And in Japan. I guess you had to be there.
Well that’s good, because when you think of the current administration the first things that immediately come to mind are stability and predictability.
Any full size pickup.
French license-free Microcars
Subcompact hatch, sedan, coupe, wagon
The Citroen Ami looks so adorable.
But think of how many communities in Florida would benefit from “proper” vehicles rather than golf carts. The Bellier B8 Cabrio would totally fit the retiree style.
…okay, but so long as you still need a valid license to drive them. Local communities only just banned clip-on motors on DUI-bikes, we don’t need an entire class of DUI-cars. Golf Carts included.
Toyota was never going to sell the new FJ here because it knows it has an infinite supply of idiots who will line up in droves to buy Tacos, 4Runners. Tundras, etc. on 10 year loans at 10% APR. The truck industrial complex is more or less a busted ATM machine just shitting out money for manufacturers right now. Is it sustainable? Almost certainly not, but who cares? Line go UP!
Anyway I don’t even think many of our cars are fit for our own roads anymore. A single misplaced brodozer or kitted out Angry Wrangler is enough to totally shut traffic down for a period of time in most major cities. I see it frequently here in DC…some dude in town from Tex-Ass in his F350 Big Peen0r edition who’s hoping God Emperor Trump notices him winds up on a busy one way he can’t fit down and everything around him stops for 10 minutes, including EMS…
I just don’t think the new
RenegadeFJ would’ve sold well here. The people in the US who want a Land Cruiser are going to buy a Land Cruiser, the ones who want a 4Runner are going to buy those, and between Toyota and Subaru the crossover market is pretty much covered. Another option, and a very weird-looking one at that, would be white noise IMO.This, all the comments in the main article on it saying Toyota is cowardly because they don’t want it eating into 4Runner sales…I can’t imagine any of the 4Runner/LC buyers saying “thank you Toyota, I can save 10-20-30 grand and get this instead.”
It’s sized like a RAV4 but it wouldn’t wind up cheaper than that by any means. A RAV4 Woodland covers most of the outdoorsy things for most people and that’s already inching toward 40k and 4Runner territory.
The powertrain alone would take it out of the running for most people on this site. It’s not going to be any quicker or efficient than a 4Runner and certainly not the hybrid RAV that would be priced right there.
Agreed. The thing about earlier BOF mini-offroaders like the Suzuki Samurai was that they were both cheap and appealing. This wouldn’t be the former and the latter, well, YMMV.
I’m sure it’s dog slow, loud, and looks like a miserable place to spend time in, but of course we have to do the fake over-the-top Reddit-style outrage thing because it’s not being sold here.
The Venn Diagram of those complaining (about lack of US availability) and those who would actually buy one is 2 circles barely touching (I’m sure there are like 5 people out there who would be all over this thing…)
Also, *WARNING – Unpopular Take Ahead*
It’s ugly.
It’s hideous. And I’m sorry, but 161 horsepower in something like that is really not enough for it to be viable in the US.
FTFY
Tom Waits had the best interview on one of Letterman’s last shows. His joke about retiring from the tire business was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbKMX2vFOaQ
I love Tom Waits, except for his songs.
I feel the exact same way about Jimmy Buffett.
Whenever I’ve seen interviews or he’s been in some movies, he seems cool, I just can’t get into his music no matter how many music nerd friends had me listen to him.
OOF
Lol, only the new ones. Those of us who have grown up with the Mariners knew we would blow it. Specifically, I knew we would blow it when Rivas swung and missed by like two feet on a not particularly nasty slider for his first K, and Wilson didn’t immediately swap him out. This loss should hurt more, but somehow it just feels like life getting back to normal.
Trust me there was some strong pessimism that the Mariners would find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and they certainly delivered. I remember 1995.
1- Chevrolet Silverado
2- None
3- Messershmidt KR200
-Canyonero
-Canyonero
-Canyonerooooo
Did it have to be a real car?
Excellent selection, no notes.
Surprised it took me this long to find someone who answered Miata!
70’s Cadillac Fleetwood
Tata Nano
Chevy SS
On the difference in Europe vs US road and pedestrian deaths, I wonder how much is due to vehicle technology and how much is due to the larger proportion of big trucks and SUVs in the US
don’t forget the other factor of much better driver training in Europe, but that is likely controlled for in the published data
No, it’s not big vehicles. It’s cell phones. Pedestrians should take some accountability and stop looking at their phones before they jump in front of vehicles with 4 ft (1.2 meter) hood heights. Europe, famously, has not adopted these large vehicles nor cell phones.
That is…not where I thought you were going with that.
“No, it’s not big vehicles. It’s cell phones.” – Oh thank goodness someone addresses the issue of distracted driving, particularly at the intersection of vehicle mass and hood heigh-
“…Pedestrians should take some accountability” hm.
Europeans don’t have cell phones? The tone of the comment goes back and forth, so I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not.
If you can’t see a pedestrian in your large vehicle, what’s the new excuse?
Yeah, how is mandated “lane keep harassment” helping reduce outside vehicle fatalities? If anything, it encourages you to hit people so you don’t have to hear it beeping when you cross a line to give someone space. I’d put money on it being almost entirely down to differences in infrastructure, vehicles, and driver training. Our pickups—always at the top of the list of the most popular vehicles being sold—have deformable pedestrian zones above the engines, too, but you’d have to be 12′ tall to land on it. Everyone else gets broken and thrown by the grille, not that the driver would notice with the tractor trailer-sized forward blind spot, overwhelming mass that resists imparting the thud of a body, and distraction-encouraging touchscreens to fiddle with.
Matt, if you are prepared to move to India, you can get to enjoy a Nissanized Duster. it’s called the Nissan Tekton and it looks like an Armada which was hit with a shrink ray.
it will only come out in the middle of 2026 though
about your question
1. Chevy Silverado EV
2. Chevy Spark EUV
3. Chevy Equinox EV
That reminds me of when I went to Brazil in 2010 and rode around in a first generation Ford Ecosport. It looks like someone hit the Escape with a shrink ray.
Ohhh Tekton is cool.
“The eleven-strong team of volunteers respond to 999 emergencies across Bridgnorth and the surrounding village”
What happens on the 1000th emergency?
If you fill that punch card, the 1000th gets a free helicopter ride
https://imgur.com/a/AX3vqst
lol
1. 1972 Cadillac Sedan Deville
2. Peel P50
3. Ford Bronco Sport
GMC Topkick, Peele P50, Holden Maloo
Hummer EV
Honda E (stop trying to make it happen)
Dodge Viper
The Honda E would be fine if Smart managed to move cars in the beginning id say go for it- Realistically the Honda e as a limited release once tooling is cheap would not kill Honda, also the Fiat 500 still somehow exists so there is that
The Honda E is so fetch, though.