Today we wrote about the Tesla Model S refresh, with Thomas calling the car “a dinosaur.” This led to a discussion among Autopian writers about platforms; how big of a deal is it that a platform is old? Personally, I don’t think it matters much at all, necessarily; here’s why.
Right out front of my house I’ve got a 2021 BMW i3S, an astonishing little city-car that I adore. This particular vehicle, by 2021, had been on the market for eight years, and many criticized it for being dated. But was it?
The platform itself was not even almost dated; in fact, to this day it’s fair to call the carbon fiber-bodied i3’s chassis “futuristic.” The interior? Its styling holds up to this day, and I believe that to be the case with the exterior as well.
But where the i3 is dated is in terms of interior tech/infotainment. It has Apple Carplay, a screen that isn’t the size of a billboard, and physical controls; what’s more, the car doesn’t have cooled seats or an overhead 360 degree camera or a panoramic sunroof. I personally don’t want these things, but many do, so I get why folks saw the i3 as dated. What’s more, even though battery/drivetrain/chassis tech was updated between 2014 and 2021 model-years, the i3’s EV tech wasn’t really state-of-the-art by that last model-year. By 2021, the i3 was a $55,000 EV with half the range of a Tesla.
Image: Author
My point is that I don’t really care about platform age as long as that platform gets updated. In the case of the i3, its platform was awesome, and I’d have loved to see it continue on for 20+ years; it was what was bolted to that platform that was shriveling a bit on the vine.
ADVERTISEMENT
Then there are cars like the Dodge Journey, which stuck around forever, offering weak performance/efficiency, but at a highly competitive price. In that case, I’m totally fine with old bones.
Photo credit: Dodge
Here are a few thoughts about platform age by Thomas:
I reckon that a platform is too old to buy new when age doesn’t necessarily enhance the ownership experience and the driving experience is close to what you can get elsewhere in a newer, better-driving package. The R35 GT-R lost some of its luster at the end of its run, partly due to a mid-cycle suspension update that increased its tendency to corner entry understeer and partly because a super-fast turbocharged automatic car now describes almost every ICE performance car. On the other hand, a final-year Challenger SRT Hellcat with the six-speed manual would’ve been worth it because that’s a rare experience you couldn’t really get elsewhere brand new without modifying another platform.
What does the data tell us? Well, according to Bank of America, “replacement rate” — defined as the “estimated percentage of an OEM’s sales volume to be replaced with all-new or next-generation models” — actually does matter, with the bank writing in its “Car Wars” analysis:
We believe replacement rate drives showroom age, which drives market share, which in turn drives profits, and ultimately stock prices…
[…]
Although other factors such as mix, price, execution, distribution, brand power, and unforeseen disruptions impact market share, we think this data supports our thesis that successful new products drive higher market share and profits.
Bank of America’s Car Wars report goes on to say that new-model launch activity is stagnating, writing:
As shown in Exhibit 3, we expect OEMs to launch 159 new models during our forecast period (MY2026-29), or an average of just 40 per year. This rate is just below the average number of models launched per year between model years 2006 and 2025. This level of new model introductions is concerning as fewer new models may not stimulate consumer interest, which may pressure total volume.
The lower launch count is largely a result of the delay in new EV programs as consumers remain disinterested, the regulatory push for EVs is relaxed, consumer EV incentives are likely to be eliminated, and potential tariffs are roiling production/supply chain management decisions. This appears to be motivating automakers to focus on core ICE (& Hybrid) products, which should generate solid profit/cash flow. In addition, EVs are not being completely ignored, but development appears to be slowing to more closely mimic consumer demand, which is not much.
Image: Bank of America
So it seems that people usually do care about how old a car is, but at the same, I bet the average person has no clue about the bones underneath their vehicle’s sheetmetal. I personally couldn’t care less as long as the vehicle remains competitive/useful, like a 2001 Jeep Cherokee that, when new, had been on the market for 17 years but still offers great styling and off-road performance at a good price.
ADVERTISEMENT
Though I suppose now that I’m a dad, the biggest factor in platform age is: Will it excel in all modern crash tests? Anyway, I welcome your thoughts on this.
I’m guessing The Autopian isn’t the place to market test what the average new car buyer is looking for in a vehicle. A key figure: 2/3 rds of new car buyers keep their car for 5 year or less.
There is a reason for the industry standard of refreshing a car every 3-4 years and doing a redesign every 6-8 years. It fits into the average lease / loan cycle. The typical new car buyer doesn’t want to spend $$$$ to buy the same car. They want something new and better for the money and they want it to visibly look different on the outside so that people know they got a new car.
As the market data in this article says: “successful new products drive higher market share and profits.”
Hondaimpbmw 12
8 hours ago
The last iteration of the GM B body was done on a chassis that was old enough to vote when the “parade float” design came out. While it was a perimeter frame, the front from the A pillar and the rear after the C pillar were box sections and between was a flimsy stamped c section that barely kept the two ends from wandering off separately before the body was plonked on top.
The rear suspension was 4 angled links that allowed the rear to sashay around if you took a corner a bit hard. The dash had enough acreage of plastic under the windshield to set up a picnic. The seats were more of a trough that centered your butt about an inch off the steering wheel centerline. The back seat legroom was only slightly greater than a MK7 Golf. With that flimsy piece of tin between the front and rear frame sections, it might have cost an extra $2 to lengthen the wheelbase enough to even fit the wheel openings, never mind give if it another 3-4” to make the back seat habitable. Probably the most egregious failing was that damned GM “do everything stick” on the left side of the steering column.
Jatkat
10 hours ago
Some of the all time reliability/cult following legends were built on absolutely ancient platforms. Panther, Express, SJ, Taco, XJ, Fox, Econoline, etc. Most get better with slow incremental refinements. I do wish they would get cheaper over time. I’d happily buy anything on my list as a new car if the price was right!
Agreed. I’d personally buy an new BMW e36 tomorrow if I could.
Shooting Brake
10 hours ago
I mean yeah it matters in a business sense cause it does help drive sales as people go for the shiny new thing, but I have hated lazy auto journalists trashing cars in reviews just for “being old” when that really shouldn’t matter by itself, the old has to have some sort of disadvantage or it’s not worth mentioning. And today we suddenly find ourselves with most new cars being “over connected” and the old platforms still floating around suddenly feel extra desirable (but as usual with these things, only to a small subset of actual car enthusiasts, the general public still just wants shiny new things).
Ignatius J. Reilly
12 hours ago
Neither old nor new is inherently better. New tends to increase performance or add amenities. Older is great if it has the advantage of a mature design where the bugs are worked out, so it is reliable, and the tooling is paid for, so it is cheap.
I am here for this. I generally don’t buy a vehicle from the first year or two of a redesign or launch as I like the car to be flushed out a bit and work the kinks out.
Hugh Crawford
15 hours ago
I can’t think of a reason for preferring a new platform for the sake of newness.
New safety or performance features, sure. Otherwise what I don’t want is a problematic or short lived platform.
By the time a car is 10-20 years old, it doesn’t really matter, it’s just old.
We use cookies to optimize our website and our service.
Functional cookies
Always active
The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network.
Preferences
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user.
Statistics
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes.The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you.
Marketing
The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes.
We use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. We do this to improve browsing experience and to show (non-) personalized ads. Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions.
Functional cookies
Always active
The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network.
Preferences
The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user.
Statistics
The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes.The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you.
Marketing
The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes.
I’m guessing The Autopian isn’t the place to market test what the average new car buyer is looking for in a vehicle. A key figure: 2/3 rds of new car buyers keep their car for 5 year or less.
There is a reason for the industry standard of refreshing a car every 3-4 years and doing a redesign every 6-8 years. It fits into the average lease / loan cycle. The typical new car buyer doesn’t want to spend $$$$ to buy the same car. They want something new and better for the money and they want it to visibly look different on the outside so that people know they got a new car.
As the market data in this article says: “successful new products drive higher market share and profits.”
The last iteration of the GM B body was done on a chassis that was old enough to vote when the “parade float” design came out. While it was a perimeter frame, the front from the A pillar and the rear after the C pillar were box sections and between was a flimsy stamped c section that barely kept the two ends from wandering off separately before the body was plonked on top.
The rear suspension was 4 angled links that allowed the rear to sashay around if you took a corner a bit hard. The dash had enough acreage of plastic under the windshield to set up a picnic. The seats were more of a trough that centered your butt about an inch off the steering wheel centerline. The back seat legroom was only slightly greater than a MK7 Golf. With that flimsy piece of tin between the front and rear frame sections, it might have cost an extra $2 to lengthen the wheelbase enough to even fit the wheel openings, never mind give if it another 3-4” to make the back seat habitable. Probably the most egregious failing was that damned GM “do everything stick” on the left side of the steering column.
Some of the all time reliability/cult following legends were built on absolutely ancient platforms. Panther, Express, SJ, Taco, XJ, Fox, Econoline, etc. Most get better with slow incremental refinements. I do wish they would get cheaper over time. I’d happily buy anything on my list as a new car if the price was right!
Agreed. I’d personally buy an new BMW e36 tomorrow if I could.
I mean yeah it matters in a business sense cause it does help drive sales as people go for the shiny new thing, but I have hated lazy auto journalists trashing cars in reviews just for “being old” when that really shouldn’t matter by itself, the old has to have some sort of disadvantage or it’s not worth mentioning. And today we suddenly find ourselves with most new cars being “over connected” and the old platforms still floating around suddenly feel extra desirable (but as usual with these things, only to a small subset of actual car enthusiasts, the general public still just wants shiny new things).
Neither old nor new is inherently better. New tends to increase performance or add amenities. Older is great if it has the advantage of a mature design where the bugs are worked out, so it is reliable, and the tooling is paid for, so it is cheap.
I am here for this. I generally don’t buy a vehicle from the first year or two of a redesign or launch as I like the car to be flushed out a bit and work the kinks out.
I can’t think of a reason for preferring a new platform for the sake of newness.
New safety or performance features, sure. Otherwise what I don’t want is a problematic or short lived platform.
By the time a car is 10-20 years old, it doesn’t really matter, it’s just old.