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America’s Second-Most Affordable New Stick-Shift Car Is Taking A Break

Honda Civic Si Pause Ts

Outside of the unobtainable hypercar sphere, the manual gearbox is living in borrowed time. Only a couple dozen mass-produced new cars entered 2026 with available manual transmissions, and that number is going to shrink heading into 2027 because one of the more affordable options is going down for a nap. I’m talking about the Honda Civic Si.

The Civic Si finds itself in a strange position. Given the existence of the hi-po Civic Type R, it’s no surprise that the Si isn’t the quickest Civic. The unusual bit is that it’s not even the second-quickest Civic. The fuel-sipping hybrid will actually outrun the Si from zero-to-60 mph, partially a function of its smooth electric torque but partially because the Civic Si still only offers 200 horsepower. That’s just three more than it made in 2006, although a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine instead of a naturally aspirated two-liter screamer has traded revs for torque.

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However, most people don’t buy Civic Sis for straight-line performance. They buy them because each one features a proper limited-slip differential and one of the sweetest shifters this side of a Mazda MX-5. With a short throw and tight gates, it’s a joy to engage with even if rev hang hampers shift speed. With a combined fuel economy rating of 31 MPG, it’s a practical, economical sedan that’s involving to drive without breaking the bank.

 

With a price tag of $32,690, the 2026 Honda Civic Si is the second-least-expensive new stick-shift car you can buy next to the base Mazda MX-5. However, next year, the second-least expensive new stick-shift car you can buy will likely be something else. On Wednesday, an internal memo surfaced claiming that the Civic Si would be temporarily dropped.

Due to evolving business conditions surrounding the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations required to certify 2027 MY and beyond, Honda has made the decision to pause production of the trims that utilize the 1.5-liter turbocharged engine paired to the six-speed manual transmission (6MT) at the conclusion of the 2026 model year.

It turns out the memo’s accurate. This will be the last full year of the Honda Civic Si and Acura Integra A-Spec 6MT until further notice. However, that doesn’t mean that both of these models are gone for good. Honda plans to restart production of both models when the opportunity arises, although we don’t know just how long this break is going to be. There’s certainly something strange about Honda not being allowed to sell the little Civic Si for 2027 without further certification yet Dodge is cool to keep putting Hellcat engines in Durangos, but that’s bureaucracy for you.

2025 Honda Civic Si
Photo credit: Honda

Still, even though the Honda Civic Si can’t really hold its own against the Hyundai Elantra N, I’ll be sad to see it go. We all should be. Sure, that 1.5-liter turbocharged straight-four is rather atonal and curiously inert, but the rest of the car is a solid sensible giggle. The red upholstery is a bit juvenile, but beyond that, it’s a proper economy car for keen drivers with plenty of grip, solid aftermarket support, and genuine refinement.

07 2025 Honda Civic Si
Photo credit: Honda

While Honda expects to have stock into 2027, we’ll eventually get to a point where, for the first time in 27 years, you won’t be able to just walk into a Honda dealership and drive out in a new Civic Si. I know it’s only temporary, but that doesn’t make it feel any less bizarre.

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J Terran
J Terran
1 month ago

I hope they come back with a more reliable engine. That 1.5T has given me pause.

Theotherotter
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Theotherotter
1 month ago

I’m not a customer for a new car, now or in the future. But if I were, a Civic hatchback would be ideal, and probably nearly the only car I’d look at. I’ve always thought that the one Civic I’d go for immediately is an Si. But, having driven my in-laws’ Civic Sport Hybrid, I’d honestly be 95% as happy with that, even without the clutch pedal. The car is just so, so good and 50+ mpg everywhere beats the living daylights out of 30mpg.

Bill C
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Bill C
1 month ago
Reply to  Theotherotter

Just get the Sport Touring with all the options and call it a day. That’s why I got. The only issues: 1) the seats need more support 2) it needs more sound deadening for highway driving (what Honda doesn’t?) 3) in certain situations the rear end feels floppy, like it needs a slightly stiffer bar or springs, but the pleasant daily-driver ride is a decent compromise – nothing’s perfect. I honestly can’t recall that I’ve seen very many Si’s in the wild, and there absolutely very few people that committed to a manual transmission. Most normies would correctly choose the faster car that gets 50 MPG +/-, and not do any shifting.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago

This is a bummer – I really like the Si and will definitely consider one when I need to replace my Mazda3.

However, I can’t help but feel let-down by the 1.5 turbo. It’s just not that interesting or engaging of an engine to be paired to such a great transmission. Bring it back with an N/A K20 with similar power like the old days and it would be top of the list for me. I like the way the current one looks and could even be convinced to take the sedan over a hatch with a high-revving VTEC engine, but the 1.5 doesn’t live up to the rest of the car for me.

I also feel like that would give it better positioning compared to the Type R. It gives it more character as a quick, fun, daily focused on engagement rather than just being the watered down version of the all-out speed that is the Type R.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

And actually, now that other commenters reminded me the Prelude even exists – forget all that stuff above and just put the Si transmission and LSD with an old Si K20 into the Prelude. That’s what I want.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

Just a thought – it might be a good time to do an article on EPA Tier 4 emission standards. They start in 2027 and will be bringing some pretty big changes.

A good summary at the link below but I think many will find this part most interesting:

“The EPA designed the 0.5 g/mi PM standard and its testing requirements, including the cold temperature test, to force the use of gasoline particulate filters (GPF) on gasoline vehicles.”

https://dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_t4.php

Oberkanone
Oberkanone
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Yes, EPA gamed the system to eliminate diesel and require GPF on gasoline engines.

Isn’t government great.

Last edited 1 month ago by Oberkanone
*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Oberkanone

Clean air is pretty great and the lack of it is pretty noticeable if you live anywhere that routinely has poor air quality.

As to the regulations, we are simple catching up with what the EU did a decade ago and China 7 years ago.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Oberkanone

As someone who has asthma and who has a daughter with asthma, yes, government and government emissions regulations that lead to less air pollution ARE great.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago
Reply to  Oberkanone

Diesel should die unceremoniously. Should be reserved for only the heaviest duty applications (marine, construction, mining). No consumer vehicle should be diesel.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Ppnw

Or if diesel is needed in a consumer vehicle make it a pilot ignition diesel. Those burn mainly (80-95%) natural gas by energy content and the particulate emissions reflect that. The power and torque are the same as running on pure diesel. The oil stays cleaner so less maintainence is required and the fuel costs are way cheaper and domestically available too which should be a slam dunk for the ‘Murica! fuck yeah crowd.

The only real downside are the tanks, they are heavy, bulky and don’t store as much energy as diesel. That said I’m pretty sure the tanks used for hydrogen vehicles would work fine. I’m sure diesel pickup manufacturers could figure out how to make those a styling highlight for the ‘Murica! fuck yeah crowd.

NOx emissions might also be a problem but by now it may be a solved problem.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
1 month ago

Since we started getting decent automatics that are better for MPGs and faster at shifting (some even seem built to last), the manual, in any car, especially in the US, is becoming a unicorn.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI in PNW

In the past, I always liked small manual cars because they had better real-world fuel economy and performance… regardless of what the EPA numbers said.

So regular cars with the newest regular automatics isn’t what killed the manual for me personally. Actually I think modern 8+ speed automatics have too many gears and thus, shift way too often.

What killed manuals for me was cheap used electric cars and plug-in hybrids.

With those you get better real-world performance and efficiency… PLUS smoother power delivery. Something with an eCVT like my C-Max just pulls away. No hesitation. No shifting. Just instant and continuous power deliverly. And regen when braking means the brakes last a looooong time.

My previous car was a manual Honda Fit. It was a great car. And it was cheap and reliable.

But when I was in the market in 2024, the value of used manual Fits had gone up. At the same time, the price of good used plug in hybrids like the C-Max had gone down.

While the C-Max still cost a few grand more, the C-Max is cheaper in the long run due to the fuel savings and the longer fluid change/maintenance intervals.

It’s simply a better daily driver.

I still miss driving a manual though.

Last edited 1 month ago by Manwich Sandwich
Scott Wangler
Scott Wangler
1 month ago

Its a shame that so few people find driving enjoyable, even fun. There is no denying driving a stick is more fun. Im clinging to my 2014 Focus with 230,000 miles and a 5-speed.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott Wangler

Driving used to be fun, back before I lived in a large metro and most of my miles where spent either creeping along the highway is stop and go traffic commuting to work or driving from stoplight to stoplight in the burbs.

Scott Wangler
Scott Wangler
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

I am lucky to live in a rural area with virtually no stop lights

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott Wangler

That makes a huge difference. The first year I lived in Eastern TN I put 32,000 miles on my motorcycles. There were fun and traffic free roads in any direction.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott Wangler

Gas prices haven’t helped. Nor has the explosion of giant, fun car crushing trucks and SUVs

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
AceRimmer
AceRimmer
1 month ago
Reply to  Scott Wangler

Traffic. Traffic has killed a lot of my enthusiasm, and it’s all many younger generations have ever experienced.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  AceRimmer

So true. If for one’s entire life driving has been nothing but slogging through traffic why would anyone think it was fun?

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago

Not that I’d ever buy a Honda, but the newest Civic I would consider would be a 2020 coupe. After that, they had too many doors.

Younork
Younork
1 month ago

Issue with the circa 2020 Civics is they look like a decepticon

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago
Reply to  Younork

I’ve never seen one in real life, but this one doesn’t look that bad…

Link

Here’s a different one…

Link

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
1 month ago

Maybe that’s a US problem?
Here’s a list of cars you can configure with a manual transmission for the German market:

  • Polo
  • Golf
  • Talgo
  • T-Cross
  • Caddy

And that is just from one single manufacturer (Volkswagen). You can also have:

  • Opel Corsa
  • Opel Mokka
  • Suzuki Swift
  • Suzuki Vitara
  • Suzuki S-Cross
  • Hyundai i20
  • Hyundai i30
  • Hyundai Baron
  • Hyundai Kona
  • Hyundai Tuscon

And these are just the manufacturers of (relatively) small cars I tried. Every one had manual cars in their configurators.

Ben Siegel
Ben Siegel
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

When I become Car Czar of the World ™ I’m going to say that if a car passes EU emissions/crash testing it’s available for sale in the US.

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben Siegel

That would make sense.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben Siegel

I’m good with that. For a lot of vehicles automakers wouldn’t even bother making a US spec version.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

The difference is that in Europe those cars very likely have particulate filters and the Civic Si in the USA does not. EPA Tier 4 emission regulations that phase in starting in 2027 require gasoline cars meet the same PM standard as diesel and turbocharged, direct injected gas engine struggle with PM just like diesels.

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Excuse my ignorance, but what do particulate filters have to do with manual or automatic transmissions? Manual transmissions are — I think — simpler and cheaper. That’s why small and relatively inexpensive cars are sold with a manual, or an automatic if you shell out a small four-digit amount of Euros more. If you want a cheap ICE car, you buy a manual.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

It is harder to meet emissions with a manual because a human has control of the clutch and throttle.

This article has more along with a link to a SAE paper on the topic

Why Building a Modern Manual-Transmission Car Is So Complicated

1franky
1franky
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Also because they have to do emissions certification for each individual engine/transmission combination, they may just not sell enough manuals to justify the cost of doing it part way through the lifecycle of this engine design

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Goddamn humans! They ruin everything!

VictoriousSandwich
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VictoriousSandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

It is a USA problem, sticks have never been as popular here as in Europe. And some combination of social forces and automatics improving and/or getting more gears has all but killed them off here in everything but a handful of performance cars.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago

Europe is following the the same path with manuals making up less than 30% of new vehicle sales today. (Down from 90% in 2000)

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Maybe, but there is still plenty of small relatively cheap cars to chose from if you want a manual. That the manual (and the automatic) will go the way of the dodo is clear, as ICE cars will cease to be a thing within the next 10 to 20 years. But I venture the guess that as long as ICE cars are sold, and unless there is a regulatory issue that directly or indirectly makes selling manuals unfeasible, there will be manual cars at least in some markets.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

Regulations make selling a manual more difficult today and that will only get harder in the future. Both for local emission and for CO2 emissions. Autos are better on both accounts.

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Again, that depends on the market That autos are these days more efficient, cause less emissions, and offer better performance: granted. I know that. But in price-sensitive markets with relatively low regulatory pressure, manuals will continue to be a thing. Because they are simpler and cheaper. Not before they are more fun to drive.
I will (unless I die laughing at one of Torch’s jokes before that) turn 60 in a few weeks, and while I have driven autos (lots of them, most of them rentals, but also some company cars), I have never owned one. Because it is fixed in my brain that “an automatic is one more complicated thing to break”, so you don’t want to own one. That’s probably 30 or more years out of date, but that’s how I roll (pun not intended).

Robert K
Robert K
1 month ago

So much for any hope of the Civic Si’s drivetrain going into the new Prelude then.

Robert K
Robert K
1 month ago

If you thought dealers were dicks about markups before this announcement, you ain’t seen anything yet. LIMITED EDITION! RARE! I KNOW WHAT I GOT!

NebraskaStig
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NebraskaStig
1 month ago

Probably unpopular opinion, but given this dilemma, Honda should release a Civic Si Type T (for ‘Touring’) and release a ‘limited’ run with the Integra base powertrain connected to the CVT in the Civic hatch body (or keep it sedan, fine) . For those groaning from reading that, it something that would absolutely drive sales in the absence of the Si for those wanting an automatic version. Give it leather seats in black or burgundy (of the JDM only Prelude LE) instead of the racer red cloth. The Prelude is the aspirational car from the base Civic lineup, not the Si or Type R so put this as a gap filler to feed that, check the pulse for this type of trim in the future.

Last edited 1 month ago by NebraskaStig
4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago
Reply to  NebraskaStig

I kinda see where you’re going with this, but the only reason the Si is compelling at all is the manual. The hybrid is already quicker, and if the Prelude is the aspirational car then the Hybrid Civic is already closer to the Prelude than the current Si since the Prelude is hybrid, too.

The 1.5 with the CVT is essentially just a slower, less engaging, less reliable, and lower economy version of the hybrid which is why they got rid of that configuration in the first place.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago

Had a regular base Civic rental last week. I know the Civic being good isn’t exactly groundbreaking but it was genuinely a great car.

Where it fell apart was the powertrain – it was painfully slow and I hated the CVT. This Si would solve that.

Scotticus
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Scotticus
1 month ago

What the hell has happened to Honda over the last couple years?

VictoriousSandwich
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VictoriousSandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Scotticus

Over the last couple years? IMO they’re on a come back tour-what happened to Honda from like 2002-2024 where they made almost nothing but bland uninspired products.

Scotticus
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Scotticus
1 month ago

That’s a weird take, considering the last-gen Si and Type R were beloved across the board and both launched almost ten years ago. The S660 is similarly amazing. The S2000 was produced until 2009.

It’s also a weird take considering Honda has spent the last few years promising bonkers, concept-looking cars, like all the EVs they stupidly canceled, and quirky stuff like the Honda e.

Get an E-bike
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Get an E-bike
1 month ago

Jesus wept.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

Whatever Honda is up to I hope they know what they are doing. Canceling all evs now claiming the EPA is the reason they can’t make some. Is their plan just to make a ton of cuv hybrids.

86-GL
86-GL
1 month ago
Reply to  M SV

As a Honda fan, unfortunately I don’t think they know what they’re doing. All of their moves in the last 5-10 years have been reactive at best, chasing trends and then giving up.

Giving up on EVs now to ‘focus on hybrids’ was brain dead BS when their lineup should already have both, 5 years ago.

They’ve been a leader in hybrids for a quarter century alongside Toyota, and they never announced plans to replace their larger SUVs and vans with EVs. So why are they only working on the electrified V6 now? What were they waiting for?

Fundamentally, Honda is a motorcycle & engine company first, auto maker second. ICEs are in their DNA, and they’re having a hard time getting their heads around the idea that their business model is going to have to change, or they will go the way of Kodak. I suspect the Nissan takeover was a major distraction for Honda leadership at a critical time.

Last edited 1 month ago by 86-GL
M SV
M SV
1 month ago
Reply to  86-GL

They are putting out commercial battery lawn equipment and talking about battery swaps with that. It sort of appears like they want to learn from they like they did with small motorcycle engines and power equipment and go from there. Something they should have done 15 to 20 years ago.

86-GL
86-GL
1 month ago
Reply to  M SV

Yeah, I saw their new lineup of electric push mowers. And they have an electric zero turn that can be set to run automatically, which is pretty awesome. Hopefully they figure it out.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago

I daily a tenth gen Civic Sport Hatch (FK7), it has a slightly detuned version of that 1.5T (yes, the fuel diluting rev hang one) and a 6MT (no LSD) and you can pry that thing out of my cold dead hands. I thought that if it ever died on me I would replace it with an Si, but not if they take away the manual.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomas Hundal

That’s probably the coolest thing about Hondas. They’re second best only to Subaru as far as how many parts you can swap between models and generations, while also being second best to Toyota in terms of reliability of every single part, and probably win hands down in ease of maintenance, at least until rust happens.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomas Hundal

I wish I would have known that when I replaced the clutch a few months ago!

Last edited 1 month ago by MAX FRESH OFF
DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
1 month ago

EPA regulations? What, it doesn’t pollute ENOUGH?

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
1 month ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

I give it two more weeks until Trump establishes the BCR (Bureau of Coal Rolling)

Last edited 1 month ago by Cayde-6
*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

EPA Tier 4 standards start phasing in for 2027. The headline change is that many gasoline engines that are turbo charged with direct injection will require particulate filters just like their diesel cousins.

Mr E
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Mr E
1 month ago

Civic, Si?

No!

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Someone educate me. Why can I buy a 2027 car in 2026 but Honda can’t keep building and selling 2026 cars into the 2027 YM?

Mthew M
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Mthew M
1 month ago

I’m a bit confused with the reasoning given for halting this – the EPA? The agency that is actively trying to get rid of itself, and remove any kind of environmental regulations? It didn’t make sense for the Ridgeline, and it really doesn’t make sense with this. Is there some other reason Honda is ‘postponing’ low-volume models, and they’re trying to scapegoat environmental regulations?

TheBarber
TheBarber
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew M

Yea the EPA thing didn’t really make sense to me either. I think they are looking for an excuse to allocate capacity to something more profitable or easier to sell. Hot off the news Honda thinking about another factory I think they are looking to maximize volume at the moment. I also wonder if these being made in Ontario is a factor.

Bill C
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Bill C
1 month ago
Reply to  TheBarber

This makes sense given the recent announcement that they’re contemplating another plant. They have to use their existing capacity to build what sells most. I know that’s not what an enthusiast site wants to hear.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  TheBarber

Does Canada get to see the Si with a manual continue, if this is the case?

Mthew M
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Mthew M
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Good question!

86-GL
86-GL
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew M

Sadly I just don’t think the Civic Si makes any sense in its current form, and they’re going to kill it. Honestly as a Honda fan, it’s about time. I don’t think I’ve actually seen a new one in the wild in almost a decade.

Compare the Si with the Hybrid. The Si is $2500 (cad) more expensive, slower, and uses premium fuel. You’d better reeeally want red stitching and a stick shift to make those sacrifices in what is ultimately a commuter car.

Okay so maybe Honda should have given the Si more power. But then it would cost thousands more, and have even stiffer competition.

The dark horse: For $2790 more than the existing Si, you can buy a Tesla Model 3 RWD. I’m no Tesla fan, but the model 3 is just another league of performance. It’s a better commuter, more reliable and much cheaper to run. Did I mention it doesn’t require premium fuel or suffer from oil dilution?

Fundamentally, the market for practical, sporty commuter vehicles has changed since EVs hit the market, edging out mild performance cars like the Si.

Faerie Alex
Faerie Alex
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew M

I have to wonder if “evolving business conditions around [etc.]” isn’t corporate-speak for “getting it (re)certified would cost us money that we don’t wanna spend right now”.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew M

EPA Tier 4 emission standards start in 2027. The Trump administration has done nothing to date to roll them back and I doubt they will as that would take years to write a regulation that will likely just get rolled back by the courts like their attempts in the first term.

Mthew M
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Mthew M
1 month ago
Reply to  *Jason*

It was my understanding that the EPA was going to simply not punish companies for not meeting regulations/breaking the law, rather than go through the hassle of trying to re-write the laws, which, as you said, is a much, much tougher goal.

*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Mthew M

They have been selective of what they aren’t going to punish.

For example they zeroed out the fines for not meeting CAFE on light duty vehicles but left the fines in place for not hitting medium and heavy duty fuel economy requirements.

(Yes, semis and dump trucks also have the equivalent of CAFE)

Rhymes With Bronco
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Rhymes With Bronco
1 month ago

As a former owner of 2002 and 2007 Sis, I’m sad to see the model go, or pause, or whatever. A bad transmission in the 2007 and the decade plus of ugly Civics has kept me away from them, but I figured I’d own another one some day.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

Why the fuck didn’t Honda give it the 250 hp 2.0T that the Accord used to have? It’s long overdue. The competition has been in the mid 200s hp range for years LOL

86-GL
86-GL
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Because it’s already too expensive, and adding thousands would make it an even worse value.

If anything, the Si should be an appearance and handling package on the hybrid. It would be legitimately faster that way, and a better commuter car.

Last edited 1 month ago by 86-GL
Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

Isn’t the Mazda3 Premium the second cheapest with the Civic Si being the third?

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Mazda3 Hatch is $31,650 before destination ($32,885 after)
Civic SI is $31,495 before destination ($32,690 after)

They’re just reporting prices after destination, like they should.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

I demand it’s always all-in pricing.

And amber turn signals.

MATTinMKE
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MATTinMKE
1 month ago

I have a 2019 and it’s been a great car. Cheap, reliable, efficient, and fun. This is a sad day.

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago

Random question: What are the best manual transmissions you’ve used? As in the smoothest, easiest, and/or most satisfying.

Bonus if any of that is relatively modern and affordable that I could pick up used/new for my next daily.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

Honda is said to have the best manual transmissions.

Mazda is also good, though they are very prone to rust. You might be able to get a cheap Mazda2

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

My buddy’s 7th gen Civic was the smoothest and easiest transmission I’ve ever driven, so that checks out.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

My 1989 Honda Civic DX had a transmission so smooth that I doubt anything new is any better

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

My partner’s base model Fit had a nicer shift on it than my 10th gen Si.

Figure that one out.

Side note, the Civic Si drivetrain in a Fit making a Fit Si or Type R with proper sussension would be a real laugh. Too bad Honda have become cowards and won’t do things like that anymore.

Last edited 1 month ago by Rod Millington
TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  Rod Millington

Might have something to do with econobox vs slightly performance oriented.

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

2006 Accord 6sp. Snick-snick

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago

a V6 accord coupe with a stick is something of a hidden gem, imo.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago

The 6-6-6 Accords were nice. (2006 V6 with 6MT)

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomas Hundal

Interesting that VW’s went backwards from 7 to 8, and I do love a good hatchback. I have a buddy with a ND MX-5 and I barely fit with the top down, so while I could live with it in the land of perpetual summer, I don’t think I’d be happy with that long term.
Honda transmissions have been my favorite I’ve driven so far, but the Mazda transmission I used was in the half-broken state where you had to pull the pedal back out after pressing in to push in again, so that spoiled my experience.
Corolla hatch is an intriguing proposition…

3WiperB
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3WiperB
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

My 06 NC Miata is a joy to shift. I have the 5-speed, but the 6-speed is also great. For a 20 year old car, it’s been rock solid reliable, but it also feels modern. There’s good ones out there for around $10k and they get about 26-27 mpg in mixed driving. I always miss it when I put it away for the winter.

OrigamiSensei
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1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

I’m super happy with the 6-speed MT in my 2018 Ford Fiesta ST. You should be able to pick one up for, looks like, 14-16 grand for a reasonable example? (Note: I am downright shocked at how they have held their value – I got mine out the door new for under $20k in CA, land of high sales taxes and registration fees)

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  OrigamiSensei

My experience with the Fiesta a coworker had was I just felt cramped inside, I was surprised how small the interior felt compared to my older Focus.

OrigamiSensei
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OrigamiSensei
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

You’re not wrong. The front seat is fine while the rear seats are barely adequate at best and the rear hatch cargo area is embarrassingly undersized. A Honda Fit is much more practical. But the FiST is truly one of my favorite cars I’ve ever owned, it’s exceedingly rare I have more than one passenger, and it’s more fun than a barrel of monkeys to drive so I’m able to overlook the interior space deficiencies.

Boosted
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Boosted
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

S2000

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  Boosted

an S2000 would be nice, but those are definitely not cheap to get into! I’ve got a Z4 from the same era and they are dime a dozen in comparison.

Abdominal Snoman
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1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

FWD, it’d be Honda’s rod actuated ones used with the D and B series once you replace the bushings with stiffer ones, and second place would be a tough call between many early 2000’s Honda’s, Golfs, Mazda’s, etc. they all started to feel the same, which is quite good, but not magic.

AWD, best I can say is Subaru’s feel pretty good, but you won’t enjoy that transmission for long. BMW’s and Audi’s felt neither good nor awful, I suspect something like a G37X would be awesome, and while this doesn’t count as we can’t enjoy it here, my favorite time was with a Skyline R32 on track.

RWD, tricky… Aisin probably makes the best feeling transmissions which is what you’ll find in most sub 300 hp predominantly Japanese cars like a Miata, RX8, non-turbo Supra, S2000, BRZ, etc. but they get fragile when pushed hard. Tremec probably makes the strongest manuals and you’ll probably find them in most American cars, but they probably feel the least “good” of any manual. Getrag may be one of the best as far as being almost Tremec strong, but a lot nicer feeling, and I think these’ll be found in the 90’s turbo Supra’s, many BMW’s, and higher end sports cars. Then there’s Nissan who for no good reason made a transmission that is just as strong as Tremec, and just as smooth as an Aisin, and then made it very reliably, and used it in one platform with the 350Z/370Z and G35/G37.

If you want to learn how to drive a stick, any TDi Volkswagon. Just make sure you get rid of it before anything major not-powertrain related breaks and it becomes your problem.

One thing to add, even with the same transmission many other things can contribute a lot to how it feels such as Mazda’s using a powerplant frame on Miata’s and RX’s and Corvette’s using a torque tube to rigidly link the drivetrain together. Simple things like bushing materials in the transmission mount, shifter assembly, cable ends, engine mount, and on and on can make a world of difference way more than what transmission was used, but fortunately they can usually be easily replaced or upgraded.

Last edited 1 month ago by Abdominal Snoman
TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago

oh no worries on learning, I’ve primarily owned manuals over my driving career, just looking to see what I should be considering for replacing my current daily driver with >200k miles on the first clutch.
I have enjoyed the few Hondas I’ve driven, one of which being my favorite manual I’ve driven. The one not obviously broken BMW I’ve driven is fine, the Mazda drivetrain in my Ford is obviously quality with >200k on it.

Obviously a 90s turbo Supra would be amazing, but that’s just not realistic to someone without a money tree out back.

A 350/370 might be nice to try out. I wonder how the new Z manual is, or if I’m strictly thinking econobox I wonder how the Nissan base manual is.

The Skoda rental I had was very meh, but I wouldn’t expect much out of Skoda if I’m honest.

Thanks for the info!

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

The Honda S2000 had what is likely the tightest, most satisfying shifter ever placed in a factory production vehicle that’s attainable to mere mortals.

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

They have held onto their values way too well for mere mortals for a 20 year old car 🙁

Agreed that it would be a fantastic choice, I should try and find one on Turo.

RobN
RobN
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

I used to have a base model 2009 Honda Fit with the five-speed manual, Mugen quick shifter, and a weighted shift knob. Shifts were perfection.

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 month ago
Reply to  RobN

Fits are a fantastic car, imo. Shame they ended them in the US.

RobN
RobN
1 month ago
Reply to  TDI_FTW

Couldn’t agree more. I went from 13 years in that Fit to 5 years in my current LR Defender 90, and wouldn’t hesitate to go back to a Fit again someday if they bring it back.

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