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Bad EV Bets And Tariffs Have Cost Automakers More Than $100 Billion

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Our brains like to compress large portions of history into small, bite-sized descriptions that allow us to understand a time in the past without fully immersing ourselves in it. The Gilded Age. Thje Roaring ’20s. The Great Depression. The Global Financial Crisis. It’s always a vast oversimplification, but it works in a pinch. What will we say about the 2020s? If they’re roaring, they’re roaring like a lion and not like a hot jazz and bathtub gin-fueled speakeasy rager.

While I’ve been happy to call it the Decade of the Hybrid™ in The Morning Dump, that’s also a little glib. Right? This morning, I’m becoming worried that the shorthand for the 2020s will be the collapse of the EV dream, setting us up for a Return of the Jedi-style comeback in the 2030s. Instead of Ewoks we’ll have EREVs. Don’t think too much about it. Just trust me.

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Looking at the news today, I think the automotive industry is just caught in a bigger story, which is the larger reconsideration of the efficiencies of global economies. First up, there’s finally a good estimate of what tariffs have cost automakers up to this point, and it’s a lot. If there’s one company that represents the failure and possibility of the ’20s thus far, it’s Honda. If there’s a sport that’s benefited from, and then suffered under the same, it’s F1.

Perhaps this is too Western-centric a view? If you’re looking at it from China’s automotive industry, the world might look like your oyster.

Tariffs Took More Than $34 Billion From Automakers So Far

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Most of the tariffs levied against automakers didn’t fall under the same guidelines overturned by the Supreme Court, meaning that they are still being enforced. The one year anniversary of “Liberation Day” is coming up, and Automotive News went through all of the public financial reports to put together a first estimate of what it’s all cost. So far, the total is around $35.4 billion.

Remarkably, and unlike the Pandemic, not all of this is being passed onto the consumer. The Trump Administration’s policy of strong-arming private companies and institutions has some obvious drawbacks, but it does seem to have at least temporarily delayed a huge raising of prices. That being said, automakers have found ways to sneak price increases into the total price.

Perhaps it’s not the hardball that’s behind automakers outwardly trying to avoid announcing price hikes. Maybe it’s just the uncertainty. These tariffs were supposed to lead to a rush of new projects in the United States, although it’s been a little slow-going. From that Automotive News report, there’s an explanation as to why:

The Trump administration has framed tariffs as an incentive for automakers and suppliers to build vehicles and parts in the U.S.

Yet a year after Trump implemented new duties on vehicle and parts imports, automakers are still trying to decipher which tariffs might stick and which might be negotiated down or go away, said Dan Hearsch, global co-leader of the automotive and industrial practice at AlixPartners. Greater clarity will allow them to make more decisions on resourcing parts or changing where and how they build vehicles to avoid tariffs, he said.

“That’s still pretty hard to do because the administration has just not been very clear or consistent in application and what stays and what goes up and what goes down and what gets added,” Hearsch said.

Any increase in production here is also an offset against all the canceled or lowered factory output related to electric cars. It’s impossible to know what would have happened if CAFE limits and the Inflation Reduction Act had stuck around in some form, but my guess is that not everything would have been shut down.

The lack of clarity has a deeper cost than just tariffs. This $34 billion (and counting) is on top of the more than $70 billion automakers took in restructuring write-offs related to electrification. How you view the impact of electrification is, of course, its own sort of litmus test. It’s obviously not just governments pulling back, infrastructure being too slow, automakers starting with expensive cars, or consumers not wanting electric cars. It’s all of the above.

How did automakers find themselves in all these traps? I think nearly every major problem facing automakers was an inability to accept that the conventional corporate wisdom that unrestrained free trade would last forever and that a calmer global environment that formed after the collapse of the Soviet Union would go on forever.

What makes electrification the weird sort of exception is that it seems like a demand problem and not a supply problem. The Pandemic wasn’t a demand problem, it was a supply issue (the lack of semiconductors). Tariffs aren’t a demand problem, but they can be viewed as a supply challenge as automakers looked to squeeze a few extra cents out of cheaper local production around the world and stretched supply chains so far that they were at risk of governments deciding to change the rules. The populist snapback in response to a loss of jobs was, in a way, probably inevitable.

I think there’s a way to see the electrification as an upstream issue that fits into this larger narrative. For the mass adoption of electric cars to be feasible, automakers have to fundamentally alter the way they source and build cars. Not all the old ways work when it comes to building an EV supply chain. China spent years building up battery technology, charging infrastructure, and access to the rare earth minerals necessary for mass electrification. The West didn’t. It’s possible this all would have been a waste of time given where demand is, but after the success of Tesla it suddenly seemed important and most big OEMs and suppliers spent a lot of money trying to play catch up.

In the absence of a mature supply chain, the Inflation Reduction Act (and other investment programs from the Biden administration) basically had to promise automakers both money (to build plants) and offsets from consumers (to stoke demand). If the United States viewed China the way it viewed the EU, this would have been a fairly solvable problem. We could have just imported a bunch of cheap Chinese EVs and batteries. Obviously, that wasn’t going to happen.

What’s happened instead is a nightmare for automakers . Even Toyota, the automaker that’s felt the smartest lately, ended up with the largest tariff hit at over $9 billion so far (there’s an argument that GM might actually be the best-positioned automaker for the second half of the decade, but I’ll leave that for another day).

I’ve tended to focus on German automakers, which have found themselves stuck between China and the United States. The struggle is real in Germany. Honda may end up being the best/worst face of the mass loss of bearings in the 2020s.

Honda’s EV Troubles Are Just The Latest Trauma

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There’s been a lot of Honda news lately, including the fourth consecutive quarter of losses from its automotive division and its decision to cancel all its electric cars. Honda has taken a lot of flack for it, and it’s mostly been fair.

Over at InsideEVs, our buddy Mack Hogan takes on his displeasure with the company in post headlined “I’ve Watched Honda Fail At EVs For Five Years. After Today, I’m Out Of Patience,” in which he laments:

From the decade-long saga of teasing a new NSX, to a decade-long saga of saying “this time, we’re really serious about EVs,” the company has a terrible habit of building hype for nonexistent products. Three years ago they heavily implied to me that an electric S2000 and an electric NSX were both in the works. Now we can’t even get a replacement-level electric crossover. I am exhausted. I am out of hope. I feel lied to.

We did get the Honda Prelude, and that’s not nothing, but it’s a little too expensive and maybe a little too weird for the market. Bloomberg has a story about how Honda’s troubles are way beyond letting its EVs die, and have more to do with a lack of focus and consistent vision. Honda beat Toyota to market with hybrids in the United States by a few months, but today we get the Prelude and yet there’s no hybrid minivan, truck, or large crossover.

As often happens with big car companies, a pursuit of volume is probably to blame:

In 2012, then-CEO Takanobu Ito set an audacious goal of doubling annual sales to 6 million vehicles within five years. To do that, it built factories in China, Indonesia and Thailand, and accelerated production development to meet the target, which in turn placed pressure on its engineers and led to a series of recalls and botched vehicle launches.

While Hachigo, who succeeded Ito as CEO, shifted the focus away from chasing sales targets, Honda never recovered its mojo even as rivals such as Hyundai Motor Co. and BYD began taking away market share. The Tokyo-based company’s global sales volume peaked in 2019 at 5.32 million vehicles; it expects to sell 3.3 million in the fiscal year ending this month, down from last year’s 3.7 million.

That has left Honda in a weaker position to absorb other blows, ranging from President Donald Trump’s tariffs on cars imported into the US to a glut of vehicles and price deflation in China. Bernstein notes Honda’s Chinese sales have declined for 24 consecutive months.

Honda is a global brand, and pursuing more sales isn’t prima facie a terrible idea. However, the first step of building more cars needs to be building great cars that fit the needs of specific markets. That’s where Honda got lost, and then found itself stretched too thin to deal with the sudden onslaught of challenges all automakers are facing.

One of the biggest tells is that Honda separated its advanced R&D from vehicle development a few years ago. That’s giving into the fantasy that automakers could ever stop being automakers and start being technology companies. Now, it was just announced, Honda is reversing that decision.

F1 Cancels Middle East Races

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There is no true cultural monoculture because of the Internet, right? I felt that way up until I found my daughter rushing into our living room way past her bedtime to watch the excellent performance of “Golden” by the cast of Netflix’s K-Pop Demon Hunters during last night’s Oscars broadcast. In a way, the rise of Korean pop music is perhaps a reminder that industries that aren’t so reliant on global supply chains are still globalizing.

Formula 1 is probably the biggest beneficiary of a re-flattening of entertainment, with Drive to Survive finding audiences in places that mostly overlooked the series in recent years. It’s been a huge boon for the sport, which has expanded to 24 races.

Well, maybe 22 this year, as ESPN reports:

Formula 1 confirmed on Saturday that April’s races in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have been canceled due to the war in Iran.

The conflict had already placed the rounds on April 12 and April 19 in major doubt, and they were both officially canceled ahead of Sunday’s Chinese Grand Prix.

It leaves F1 with a five-week void between the third round of the new season in Japan on March 29 and the Miami Grand Prix on May 3, and looks likely to reduce the number of races this season from 24 to 22 — although it was not entirely ruled out that the Bahrain and Saudi Arabia events could be run at another stage this year.

“While this was a difficult decision to take, it is unfortunately the right one at this stage considering the current situation in the Middle East,” Stefano Domenicali, president and CEO of Formula 1, said in a statement.

The races in Abu Dhabi and Qatar are still set for later this year and one would have to assume that things will have cooled down by then. Right? Right…

BYD Shares Jump As Exports Rise

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Photo credit: BYD

And while we’re talking about globalization, there are many ways to view China’s electrification strategy. If you’re willing to give the government too much credit, this was all a plan to help the environment. If you’re feeling cynical, China predicted a world that would be over reliant on Chinese green energy products it could then sell to other countries.

Some of the above is true, but what’s happening in Iran and shutting down F1 races is probably the bigger reason. If China needs oil, it’s going to have to get most of it from somewhere else. That somewhere else is the Middle East, Russia, South America, or the United States. All of those places, have, historically, been a problem.

Obviously, China cannot be reliant on the United States for anything existential. Venezuela has been a source of oil for China, but now the United States is helping call the shots there. China and Russia have an uneasy alliance. This week was a reminder that the Middle East isn’t always going to be a safe source, even though China has huge oil reserves and only gets a small portion of its oil via the Strait of Hormuz.

Electric cars have turned out to be a great hedge and, though the country is now dealing with overcapacity, BYD has found a global audience for its cars as Bloomberg reports:

The Chinese EV leader’s Hong Kong-listed stock jumped 7.8%, the most in 13 months. It was the top performer on the Hang Seng Tech Index, followed by peers Nio Inc. and Xiaomi Corp., which climbed around 5%.

Sentiment is getting a lift from local Chinese news reports that BYD’s Brazil plant received an export order for about 100,000 units from Argentina and Mexico, said Eugene Hsiao, a strategist at Macquarie Capital Limited.

“This is positive for the broader BYD thesis, which is that overseas sales will become the core growth and profit driver over time,” he said.

This is the potential upside of an energy crisis for China. If you’re in the United States there’s enough domestic oil production to make it through anything, and if you’re in Europe you’ll be able to pay the higher rate for crude. If you’re in South America, Africa, and parts of Asia that might be harder. China’s move towards EVs has both partially inoculated it against higher gas prices and given it a way to reach deeper into other markets.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

I’m not sure why The Man From U.N.C.L.E. reboot wasn’t more of a hit? I enjoyed it and would like to have seen a sequel. “Compared To What” by Roberta Flack was an excellent pull for the soundtrack, and the lyrics really hold up.

The Big Question

You have $100 billion to spend on cars, but they all have to be the same car. This is potentially enough money to buy every Ford Escort ever built, for example. What do you buy?

Top photo: DepositPhotos.com

 

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Who Knows
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Who Knows
6 minutes ago

If you’re in the United States there’s enough domestic oil production to make it through anything” – except perhaps the 2030s? Wonder why Venezuela was recently invaded to increase oil production?

US oil consumption, ~7 billion barrels a year- https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6

US proven oil reserves, ~46 billion barrels- https://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/crudeoilreserves/

Seems to parallel the Social Security trust running out in the 2030’s…

Alexk98
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Alexk98
7 minutes ago

When Honda changed their slogan to “The Power of Dreams” they really weren’t kidding. The most powerful thing they keep doing is dreaming about things they never produce.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
12 minutes ago

The Great Zap.

Scott
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Scott
17 minutes ago

Nobody asked me, but the cost of the tariffs figure Matt cites above reminded me that I heard on the radio this morning that the One Billion Dollars per Day figure for our current war in Iran costs American taxpayers is actually very conservative: it only covers the cost of the munitions, and not all of the fuel, supplies, transport, personnel, and other logistics, etc… And by the Pentagon’s own admission, during the first week of the war, the daily cost was two or three times higher. All of which all almost makes the $34 billion that auto manufacturers lost due to the Trump admin’s tarrifs seem like chicken feed.

Incidentally, I’m curious about which admin people (or admin adjacent) bought into oil futures right before Israel and the US started dropping bombs on Tehran in the middle of negotiations. OK, enough of that for now.

Personally, I think that Honda abandoning the pursuit/sale of EVs in America will be a mistake in the long-term, but nobody at Big Red calls me to ask for my input on the subject. Over time, it’s pretty much undeniable that the use of fossil fuels will decrease and alternative/sustainable energy sources will increase (in all areas: power generation, housing, transportation, etc…). This reality ought to offset shorter-term worries about EV profitibility due to the lately changing regulations in the US market. What’s happening now in America is a political anomaly (unless God actually hates us) and 10, 20, 30 years from now even America will be using more EVs and sustainable energy infrastructure. There’s really no realistic alternative.

Big Red is a Honda nickname, right? Or am I just imagining that?

Scott
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Scott
9 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Ah! Thanks Matt!

Ottomottopean
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Ottomottopean
18 minutes ago

I loved The Man From U.N.C.L.E.! It was so much fun. And an oddly good car movie I guess if you love spotting old WWII era cars and the hot rod building woman who was a great character. I also don’t know why it didn’t do as well. Henry Cavil just can’t get recognition outside of Superman.

The entire soundtrack is one of my favorites but I spend a lot of time listening to old jazz from the era.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
16 minutes ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

I’d argue he’s more wildly known as the Witcher these days.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
21 minutes ago

You have $100 billion to spend on cars, but they all have to be the same car.”

Rivian R3. That’s the vehicle I want. I’m also a Rivian shareholder. So I would use that money to help Rivian get the R3 to market and then flood the market with them… and my Rivian stock would do well at the same time.

SAABstory
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SAABstory
24 minutes ago

ALL the Saabs. Since I have to pick one I’m picking the 900 series. $100 billion should be enough, and for all the parts as well.

I can warehouse everything in Jasonia, right?

Last edited 23 minutes ago by SAABstory
Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
26 minutes ago

You have $100 billion to spend on cars, but they all have to be the same car. This is potentially enough money to buy every Ford Escort ever built, for example. What do you buy?

Shelby’s literally all of them, yes even the convertible Dakota.

Tekamul
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Tekamul
31 minutes ago

Perhaps this is too Western-centric a view?

You had it right there at the intro.
The modern auto markets are again splitting apart. Manufacturers tried for decades to perfect the ‘world car’, but few examples held appeal across oceans.
Now it’s a new bifurcation – markets moving forward with EV adoption (Europe, China) and those clinging to oil for as long as possible (North America, Global South).

David Greenwood
David Greenwood
32 minutes ago

I think we need some perspective on EVs.
Big picture: Humans cannot burn all the fossil fuels because we will cook the planet.
Energy: We will need to make energy from things that don’t release carbon dioxide and methane. This is the only problem that needs solving. It is a big one.
Solutions: Energy: Transition energy production away from oil and coal and toward cleaner fuels (including natural gas) and zero emitting sources (solar, wind, nuclear, hydro). This solution has been going OKAY.
Solutions: Transportation: transition moving things from gasoline, diesel and coal to more efficient and low emission technology like EVs, PHEVs, hybrids and get the power to do that from cleaner sources. This solution has been going OKAY.
Globally, this long emergency is getting solved. Faster in some places and back wards sometimes, but we are moving in the right direction. The US car industry has been given some help and was moving in the right direction. The decisions to dump subsidies, abandon the long term planning that was done, reverse the regulatory regime and disrupt the markets with tariffs were collectively very bad and very dumb and very hard on the car makers and the market, sure. But this is a blip. Other markets that have not had the same shocks have continued to move forward on the right side of history. Because the US has such a large and powerful fossil fuel sector, its progress will be harder to come by but we will get there. Were EV’s never going to save us? Stupid question. The problem that really does need to be solved is much bigger than EVs. EVs are a part of the solution though, and something like an EV, that being a transportation device that does emits little or no CO2, has to displace vehicles that do emit CO2. If we burn it all, we will cook the planet.

TheNewt
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TheNewt
15 minutes ago

This is a good take. One of the stumbling blocks is the cost to switch power generation and distribution infrastructure. Another is convincing corporations that own “dirty” infrastructure to switch and give up profits when a switch is viable.

John B Patson
John B Patson
45 minutes ago

There is a story in Le Monde that the UK auto industry has just realised that it will be locked out of the EU’s electric company car market (60% of EV sales) by the new EU clamp down on foreign electric whole cars, batteries and parts from non EU countries.
They boasted before Brexit that it would not affect them — steering wheel on the other side and all…
Plonkers.

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
47 minutes ago

Nope. The only bad bets were centered around really bad decisions. Those EV investments are their future. They’re going to end up using that equipment and knowledge gained in the very near future when they reverse their disastrous decision.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
38 minutes ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

I also was thinking that the work put into electric vehicles will come back to relevance.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
57 minutes ago

Wait, if this is about US tariffs, why is the top shot CLEARLY a Canadian factory?

Fratzog
Fratzog
34 minutes ago

Needs more bags of all dressed chips flowing out.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
24 minutes ago
Reply to  Fratzog

You know, I hate to admit this but I’m not crazy about all dressed up chips. If that means I have to forfeit my honorary Canadianinity, I’ll be sad but I’ll understand.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
11 minutes ago
Reply to  Fratzog

Ketchup. It’s ketchup. It’s all in the chips act if you read it.

Fratzog
Fratzog
3 minutes ago

Ketchup isnt far behind in my opinon. Also a fan of the paprika chips when i was living in Germany.
but all dressed has such a chaotic flavor going on that its hard to beat

Toecutter
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Toecutter
59 minutes ago

The OG VW Beetle. I’d use the remainder of the funds to make an updated modern version of the platform, including gasoline, TDI and EV options, as well as RWD, FWD, and AWD variants, as well as hatchbacks, sedans, sports cars, mini-trucks, mini-CUVs, and micro-cargo vans, all available on the same platform.

The goal would be to make a modern “peoples’ car” in whatever variation, drive layout, and form factor they could want that is possible on the platform. And the platform would still be compatible with body panels and parts from the OG VW Beetle if you want to go classic.

Mike Harrell
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Mike Harrell
59 minutes ago

Our brains like to compress large portions of history into small, bite-sized descriptions that allow us to understand a time in the past without fully immersing ourselves in it.

As a geologist I must ask that you stop giving away our trade secrets.

Joregon
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Joregon
1 hour ago

I understand that CEOs and PR folks have/want to repeat ad nauseam that “rest assured we will absorb the impact of the tariffs” but pro journalists should take it with a grain of salt.

Margins aren’t that high in most industries, and the increased costs will absolutely result in higher prices or less product for the money. If it really could “be absorbed” then why on earth did supply chains move to countries where labor is cheaper in the first place?

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 hour ago

You have $100 billion to spend on cars, but they all have to be the same car. This is potentially enough money to buy every Ford Escort ever built, for example. What do you buy?

Well, if we’re gonna Monkey’s paw it, I choose the F150, it has enough variants that I could probably have a truck for every type of motorsport. Hell, I even get an EV daily for commuting!

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 hour ago

Toyota Corolla, including Corolla Cross. I would essentially make it a value oriented sub-brand of Toyota. Hatchback, Wagon, Sedan, Crossover; all hybrid, all AWD.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago

That’s a logical strategy.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
20 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

The best xB was Yaris-based, not Corolla-based.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
15 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Not a bad idea, however I was more think Dacia or Skoda the whole time. I definitely wouldn’t be marketing these to “the youths” as much as emphasizing being pragmatic

Protodite
Protodite
1 hour ago

I think I’d buy up all the Duesenberg Model J’s. They’d be wickedly expensive, but that aren’t that many of them, and that gives you more than enough money to actually remake the tooling and components and keep ’em running forever on practically “factory new” parts

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago

I think we all know that the writedowns on EVs enable automakers to write down Everything-Everywhere-All-At-Once and avoid backlash for other decisions made through the year under the guise of EVs.

I have to wonder, however, if the tariff costs gets buried to show a smaller one, in hopes that they can curry favor.

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
45 minutes ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Exactly, and know this. They will be using that currently written down equipment, and all knowledge gleaned, in the very near future. Tax law needs to be rewritten. No one should be able to do this, putting the financial burden of lost tax revenues on the taxpayer in a true trickle down fashion.

Who Knows
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Who Knows
14 minutes ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I feel like the EV writedowns are infinitely more of a “the tax code allows us to reduce our profit by many billions of dollars to pay way less tax, so of course we’re going to writedown anything we can” and not so much “we just wasted billions of dollars developing technology we will never use”

VS 57
VS 57
1 hour ago

Maybe if Honda hadn’t used all the good tracks from “Play” already…

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 hour ago

I’m not sure why The Man From U.N.C.L.E. reboot wasn’t more of a hit? 

Because Armie Hammer, probably

You have $100 billion to spend on cars, but they all have to be the same car. This is potentially enough money to buy every Ford Escort ever built, for example. What do you buy?

McLaren F1’s would probably the smart investment, so if I could buy them all, I could really control the market

Skurdnin
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Skurdnin
1 hour ago

No way OEMs won’t pass these massive losses on at some point, most likely through options packages putting what should be basic features behind $4k+ packages.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago
Reply to  Skurdnin

The Stellantis employees will see it passed to them.

“Sorry, no bonus this year.
You can blame X*”

*Illegal Tariffs, no tariff refunds, new tariffs, US war against Iran, China, Russia, Ukrane, “Not saying please”, being on a list, straight of Hormuz effective closure, low water in Gatun Lake in Panama, high corn prices, low corn prices, EVs, Hemi, no Hemi, no EVs.

There’s a plan in place to make sure it happens.

Red865
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Red865
1 hour ago
Reply to  Skurdnin

I also believe the OEMs do not intend to eat the tarriffs long term, but they will work those costs into future pricing. They’re trying to figure out how to stay competitive, not piss off the customers and run afoul of the current Administration while keeping their profit margins.

Beto O'Kitty
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Beto O'Kitty
1 hour ago

Mine is the Escort!
Have the day you voted for.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
14 minutes ago
Reply to  Beto O'Kitty

I could see myself spending $100M on Escorts.

Last edited 13 minutes ago by Andy Individual
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