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How A Guy In A Rented Pacifica Minivan Beat The 2-Minute Lap At One Of America’s Best Tracks

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Minivans are way more exciting than the internet gives them credit for. Their unique shape and weight distribution make them surprisingly fun to sling around corners. I’ve been testing cars for nearly a decade, and I’ve never been bored behind the wheel of a van.

My prior career with Road & Track Magazine meant lots of seat time in minivans as the driver of a camera car, where a photographer or videographer would lean off the back bumper or out the side of a sliding door to capture a close-following sports car. Many of those photoshoots took place on race tracks. And to make the photos look good, the camera car had to be going fast. You see where this is going, right?

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It was during this time that I realized what a blast minivans could be on a race track. Since those days of slapping curbs in rental Town & Countries, I’ve always wanted to take a minivan to a proper track day to see what it could do. But someone already beat me to it.

That person is Gino Manley. For the past month, the Florida-born car salesman turned pro-racer has been publishing videos of minivans driving flat-out at autocross events and real-deal race tracks like Atlanta Motorsports Park and Road Atlanta, going viral in the process. And it looks like he’s having an absolute blast. His first video, published in late August, shows a Honda Odyssey being followed closely by a Chrysler Pacifica as the two vans are being pushed at AMP. They even managed to get a point-by by a Corvette (they were probably on a cool-down lap, but still).

 

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Manley’s next van-themed video, published a day later, gives us a look at the battle from inside the Odyssey. Though the vans weren’t going very fast, the giggles emerging from behind the camera suggest speed didn’t need to be a factor in the excitement. The caption says it all:

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I was one of a handful of Americans who ran the 24 Hours Of Nurburgring this year… but this was my best drive this year. The Chrysler Pacifica had heart.

Over the phone, Manley told me the stunt was totally unplanned.

“I’m a part of a track day group in Atlanta called Jzilla Track Days,” he told me. “[That’s] where I basically got my start in track day stuff and racing, so I’ve been with them for years, and James, who owns the group, we became very good friends and help him with a lot of media stuff.”

“Every year, at Atlanta Motorsports Park, we run a track day dedicated just for ladies,” he continues. “You have to be a woman, so a lot of the fellows will bring their wives, or girlfriends, or daughters—let’s call it a novice track day.”

Manley goes on to say the chief instructor, a man named Rick, decided it’d be funny to drive his wife’s Odyssey in one of the run groups. Manley thought that’d be a great idea, so he borrowed one of the Pacifica rentals and joined him. A new internet legend was born.

 

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Manley’s comments were flooded with questions about why the vans were participating in what looked to be a standard track day event. In another post showing the two vans carving even more corners at AMP, he revealed the vans didn’t last very long on track.

A lot of questions about van wars… They were completely stock. We are both pretty experienced drivers in our group and this was more or less an unplanned demo run. We would get about 3 laps before the brakes overheated. We went out in a slow run group and never held traffic up. And we would 100% do it again.

Having experienced failing minivan brakes on race tracks in the past, I can definitely relate. Brakes are the one thing I’d definitely upgrade before I participate in a real track event with a van. After a few laps, the stock units will melt themselves into jelly.

In my conversation with Manley, he seemed to understand why there was such a strong reaction online to seeing the vans getting pushed on track.

“I’ve raced all around the country, and that’s generally the team van when you fly in and you get one [as a rental],” Manley told me. “I think it struck a nerve with the racing community because everyone’s driven these vans and everyone’s been like, ‘Man, this thing’s got a lot of power. I wonder what it would be like [on a race track].’ I think in some ways, [they were] living vicariously through [me] actually doing it.”

Manley took another rental Pacifica to Road Atlanta to see if he could break the two-minute barrier around the legendary Southeastern road course. That, too, was an unplanned feat. “That morning, I was like, ‘You know, it would be really, really funny if we try just to see if I grabbed an AIM [lap timer] and see what this thing could do,'” he told me.

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He explains why he picked the Pacifica in another Instagram post:

If you’re going to make a hot lap in a minivan, your options are very limited. You’ll have the Pacifica, the Sienna, the Honda Odyssey, and, of course, the Kia Carnival.

[…]

We opted for the Pacifica because the one we used happened to be an S package van—mechanically the same as a regular Pacifica, however, this one did have the optional 20-inch wheel package, which came on a slightly more aggressive all-season tire. I’m a fan of the Pacifica myself. I have some experience on the platform.

I’m a big fan of the 286-horsepower Pentastar. I do like the 9-speed automatic. Coincidentally, if you leave the automatic in low gear, it holds gears better than some sporty automatic transmissions I’ve driven in sports cars, so I was a big fan of that. This one did have Stow ‘n Go, so we left the seats down to keep the center of gravity lower.

Instead of relying on phone cameras from onlookers, Manley had a professional video team on standby to document the entire process, including a Toyota GR Corolla camera car. With just 15 minutes of track time allocated to him to set a lap, he made magic happen. On Monday night, he published the full lap to Instagram:

 

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Other cars are faster, sure, but this has to be one of the most purely joyous laps I’ve seen around Road Atlanta. Manley has no reservations when it comes to curbing, using absolutely every inch of the stuff to squeeze out a 1 minute, 56-second lap time from the Pacifica. The van moves around a lot through the esses at turns two and three, and there’s no shortage of tire squeal. And into turn 10A (after the long straightaway), a huge cloud of smoke emerges from the front rubber under braking. Manley was pushing this thing to the absolute limit. He said he reached 112 mph on the back straight before going to the brakes.

“The reason why you see me chuck it into 10A like that is because I basically don’t know if I’m going to make the corner,” Manley told me. “I wanted to go sideways and make it. It actually worked out pretty good.”

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For some context, 1 minute 56 seconds is slow for Road Atlanta. But not that slow. The fastest road cars can easily break under the two-minute barrier, with some Porsches sliding under the 1 minute 40 second mark. Your average Miata with a novice driver will do a high 1 minute, 50-second lap, according to Manley. The lap record, held by a 2003 Ferrari Formula 1 car, stands at 1 minute, 1 second. For a rental van to be within a minute of that time seems like an impressive feat (to me, anyway).

Amazingly, engineers for the Pacifica began reaching out to Manley to tell him about how they tuned the car.

“Multiple Stellannis engineers that worked on the van at the time reached out, and they’re telling me stories about how they tuned it like this… It was kind of cool to get the outreach from people that built the van, [telling me], ‘Hey, we actually put a lot of effort to make sure it could actually perform somewhat decently.'”

So what’s next for Manley’s van antics? Thankfully, it sounds like this timed run won’t be the last.

“There’s talk that we’ll go back and grab an Odyssey and try to see if we’ll go any quicker,” he told me. “I don’t think it would be any quicker, but we’d just want to know, just to see. We might do something at VIR, we haven’t decided yet. It’s kind of a running joke. So we’ll do some more stuff with it.”

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Perhaps Manley can get a spec time attack series going after that, maybe something similar to GridLife’s Sundae Cup series, which uses lightly modified Honda Fits. I’ll be among the first to sign up, so long as the best-driving minivan, the Town & Country, is allowed to participate.

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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
3 months ago

“When you’re livin…in a VAN…DOWN BY THE RIVER!”

Emmett Johnson
Emmett Johnson
3 months ago

I find it important to note that the Odyssey that it beat was many years older… If you put a current-year Odyssey and Pacifica on a track together, the former would smoke the latter.

Top Dead Center
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Top Dead Center
3 months ago

Hertz will now send you to prison

Last edited 3 months ago by Top Dead Center
Dr.Xyster
Dr.Xyster
3 months ago

Somebody get this man an ESPACE!

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago
Reply to  Dr.Xyster

Or a diesel Transit
https://youtu.be/5KiC03_wVjc

Ben Eldeson
Ben Eldeson
3 months ago

I would gladly watch minivans do this than someone’s million dollar sports car.

Todd Beauchamp
Todd Beauchamp
3 months ago

Sabine[To Jeremy after seeing his fastest lap] I do that lap time in a van.

RIP – Sabine Schmitz “Queen of the Nürburgring”

Sklooner
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Sklooner
3 months ago

Could only be better if they were rentals oh I see they were

Last edited 3 months ago by Sklooner
ProfessorOfUselessFacts
ProfessorOfUselessFacts
3 months ago

Now somebody needs to do it in the Bisimoto modded Oddysey. 1000hp minivan…

Christopher Lannoye
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Christopher Lannoye
3 months ago

I laughed watching the traction control light flashing. It was not happy!

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
3 months ago

I wonder if the Hybrid will have better driving dynamics since the battery is in the center of the vehicle and sitting low, I heard the hybrid drives better because of this but it would be awesome to see how it performs.

Santiago Iglesias
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Santiago Iglesias
3 months ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

It’s also quite a bit heavier and you can’t fold the seats down as the battery is in the way

Please and Thank You
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Please and Thank You
3 months ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

Trust me. It does!

M. Park Hunter
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M. Park Hunter
3 months ago

John Dillinger, your getaway vehicle has arrived.

Seriously, that’s impressive. And I’m sure it was a total blast!

The Bonnie Situation
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The Bonnie Situation
3 months ago

this is the content I’m here for

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
3 months ago

Like Sabine Schmitz (may she rest in peace) taking a Transit around the Nürburgring.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
3 months ago
Reply to  Kevin B Rhodes

I was just going to post something so similar. Her overall joy and needling of Clarkson were so fun to watch. So fearless in that Transit! I miss her too.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
3 months ago

Somebody needs to find a Dodge Grand Caravan R/T and take it to the track. The up-rated VVT V6 is… spicy. And it’s probably no slouch at hard braking, given they apparently raided the Viper parts bin for dual-piston brake calipers. The wife’s can stand on its nose from 60-0 rather nicely.

Yeah, it’s time to do brakes on it and I just got done pricing pads and rotors. Definitely not typical minivan prices for brakes. Sigh…

YeahNo
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YeahNo
3 months ago
Reply to  UnseenCat

Stock Pacifica brakes are well known to last 100,000mi (sans track use).

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
3 months ago

Honda has been low key racing an Odyssey for like a decade.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago

I think he could even do better if he learned the track layout. However I am not sure if I should be impressed because I didn’t see any mention of the distance of the lap. Is it a half mile, mile, 2.5 miles I mean that is relevant isn’t it?

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
3 months ago

He has a ton of race experience at Road Atlanta and many, many others. It’s the full-course current layout that every sports car organization uses. He was only limited by the 15 minute block they had to pull it off and the brake temperatures.

Last edited 3 months ago by Anthony Magagnoli
Tony Mantler
Tony Mantler
3 months ago

It’s even more impressive when you consider the distractions he had to deal with from all the ziploc bags of stale fruit loops and half-fermented juice boxes bouncing around inside the cabin.

SAABstory
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SAABstory
3 months ago
Reply to  Tony Mantler

Not to mention all the goldfish and cheerio debris.

great-LEX-great
great-LEX-great
3 months ago
Reply to  Tony Mantler

stop spying on me! My son held up a slice of pizza on the way to school the other day. We hadn’t had pizza in two weeks [facepalm]

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
3 months ago

The Ody originally was benchmarked against a BMW 5 series, IIRC. Sure one of you will correct me. Those aren’t slouches. It’ll be interesting to see what one could do. V6 vs hybrid Sienna would be neat, too.

Bucko
Bucko
3 months ago

I came to a customer site last week and was sorely disappointed with the rental car choices at the Richmond VA airport. Lots of Jeeps, lots of Nissans, plus a few Kia/Hyundais. I spotted a Honda Odyssey in the line-up and decided to see how it compared to a Pacifica. The drive fromm the hotel to customer site has 20 miles of winding road. It is maybe 16′ wide with no paint for a centerline or fog lines. No signs either. Waze will damn near force you onto the 30-mile alternative and will suggest U-turn upon U-turn.

The Odyssey did very well, but the Pacifica just comes across as a higher performance car. Tires are lower profile, suspension is tighter, and the engine feels like it has more torque. I also prefer the transmission, but I do like the Honda paddle shifters.

Customer was ultimately not ready for me so I went home and now I’m back. Similar weak selection of cars, but I found a lone Odyssey and picked it again. I would have picked a Pacifica in a heartbeat if available. If my driving was all highway, I’d take the Honda if both were in a rental lot. Also, for some reason, I never get better than 24 mpg in a Pacifica, but my Odysseys have netted just over 30 mpg, backroad hooning excepted. As much as I love these two minivans, I have yet to come across a Sienna that I enjoy driving. I will almost always navigate to a decent SUV over a Sienna if those are the only choices in the lot.

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
3 months ago

Congrats on your LAP RECORD, Gino!
I was one of the engineers he talked with. I was the Vehicle Dynamics Performance Engineer for Pacifica from 2015-18. I am really pleased with how the car came out, from a ride, handling, and steering perspective. It goes to show that you don’t need a supercar to just have a good-driving car and there’s no excuse for any type of car to drive terribly. The highest performance variant, though, is that on the 18″ Michelin tire. That was the known performance tire of the lineup, and Car and Driver pulled 0.87g!
For the record, I TRIED to make a real S model, but couldn’t get the support around it.

Source for skidpad claim: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a14928391/2017-chrysler-pacifica-long-term-test-review/

Last edited 3 months ago by Anthony Magagnoli
1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago

I don’t think it was a record just a under 2 minutes lap.

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
3 months ago

Minivan lap record!

Every Rose has its thorn
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Every Rose has its thorn
3 months ago

That’s super cool, thanks for sharing and chiming in! I drive a ’24 Voyager for work and it’s a great vehicle overall. Haven’t taken it to the track…yet.

Santiago Iglesias
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Santiago Iglesias
3 months ago

Did you tell him he should have used the AWD one since it has significantly better dynamics and the deeper final drive?

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
3 months ago

No, because it does not have superior dynamics and is heavier.

Santiago Iglesias
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Santiago Iglesias
2 months ago

Surely you’ve tried doing lane changes in both of them? There is a drastic difference

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
2 months ago

The AWD it taller and heavier, though it has a rear swaybar whereas the FWD was able to do without. I’ll take the lighter, lower variant every day. If you didn’t evaluate them on the same tires, then it’s not a fair comparison. There are drastic differences in the tires.

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
3 months ago

It’s great to learn about devoted engineers, and to read about their often hidden and unmentioned successes. Appreciate that they comment here, too.

Applicable paragraph from cited Car & Driver source:

“Although the Odyssey steers with more precision, and we’d prefer a bit more body control out of the Pacifica, the Chrysler minivan shocked most drivers with its penchant for corners. The 18-inch Michelin Premier A/S tires far outperform their 17- and 20-inch alternatives, helping our Pacifica cling to the skidpad at 0.87 g and stop from 70 mph in 164 feet, figures on par with those of our long-term E46-generation 2001 BMW M3, which was nearly 1000 pounds lighter. How’s that for a reminder of the major gains in tire performance in recent years? Not surprisingly, with about two-thirds of their tread worn away at the end of our test, the magic Michelins did even better, pulling 0.89 g. And although the van’s stability control can’t be completely switched off, we tip our hat to whoever spent time dialing in unobtrusive max-lat runs. This puts the Pacifica at the upper echelon of cornering performance for anything with three rows, just off the 0.91 g posted by the $126,295 Mercedes-AMG GLS63 4MATIC on summer tires.”

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
3 months ago

If you don’t countersteer, it’ll continue to rotate to your heart’s content 😉

4jim
4jim
3 months ago

I sometimes push my wifes AWD Pacifica. It does haul butt for a minivan. The 3.6L is the same as my wrangler but it is of course much faster.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
3 months ago

My wife’s Sienna is an ’04, and it doesn’t drive like it used to. But when it was newer, I’d have occasions whereby I took the second-row out, and wow did it handle better! Very spry when it was young… but those days are long gone.

Brockstar
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Brockstar
3 months ago

Wait, this reminds me. What happened to Torch’s Sienna?

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
3 months ago
Reply to  Brockstar

I have also wondered about that. Did he ever get those PITA control arms done?

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
3 months ago

I’m imagining someone walking up to the desk at Hertz asking for their minivan.
“Sorry, there’s been a mix-up. You’re getting this GR86 instead.”
“Ok kids. Squeeze in. Carpool time.”

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
3 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

This is my secret fantasy.

Bags
Bags
3 months ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

Instead they ask “uhhh, would you take an F-150?” every time they are low on the car I actually reserved.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
3 months ago
Reply to  Bags

Sure, will you hire a gas tanker to follow me around?

Dustygator
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Dustygator
3 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

Since we are on the topic of questionable parenting choices, how about having 4 kids in the backseat of a Maserati GranTurismo?

https://youtu.be/bSe9kA3d6dI?

Bill C
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Bill C
3 months ago

Back in the 2000’s when Mazda was doing their road shows I took a 04 or 5 MPV around their little test track and I rode it hard enough to get a “strike” against my badge. A lot of understear but probably handled as good or better than most mainstream mid-size sedans of the period. I had a rented recent Odyssey that somehow creeped up to 95 on me and it was stable like sitting in your living room watching TV.

Every Rose has its thorn
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Every Rose has its thorn
3 months ago
Reply to  Bill C

My dad had ’99ish and ’05 MPVs when I was a teen-into-young adulthood. I always thought they drove and handled better than the average van at the time, particularly the ’05 with big wheels and bigger engine. And even though they were smaller than the average van, it was fine and came in handy for hauling drums and amps from one high school nerd’s basement to another.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
3 months ago

So what’s next for Manley’s van antics? Thankfully, it sounds like this timed run won’t be the last.

“Vantics” was right there!

Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
3 months ago

Wait a minute, those guys didn’t let either my 2016 Caravan (same van) or my 1989 Mitsu on the track!

Must not have enough clout for the drift gods…

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