Hey, do you know what a float bowl is? How about an accelerator pump? Mixture screw? If you think I’m just throwing words together, there’s a chance you’ve never had to work on a car with a carburetor before. If that’s the case, in some ways, you should count yourself lucky, because these old mechanical fuel-delivery contraptions are often a real pain in the ass when something goes wrong. But if you’re going to dabble in older cars, at some point you’re going to come across one.
It will come as no surprise that the little island-blue Plymouth Neon beat the snot out of its Saturn competiton yesterday. The combination of a stickshift, a great color, and that fun seat fabric was just too much for the dowdy but competent Saturn to overcome. A manual Saturn SL2 might have changed the discussion, but I had limited time to search for cars and had to take what I found quickly. Maybe we’ll do a rematch someday.
You know I’m all about the Neon. I love those cars. I even liked the SOHC automatic one I owned, until some jackass in a WRX with no insurance rear-ended me. (No, I’m not still bitter about it, why do you ask?) I will probably go looking for another small, manual car for fun at some point, and a Neon (if I can find one) would definitely be on the short list.

The last carbureted car sold in the US was, if I remember right, an Isuzu pickup truck, sometime in the mid-1990s. Even ten years earlier, however, lots of cars still had carbs, especially at the low end of the market. Fuel injection was special enough to warrant its own badge: my 1989 Chevy truck has a prominent “EFI” sticker on the tailgate, proudly declaring the absence of a carburetor under its hood. Fuel injection was a wonderful advancement, but we covered bazillions of miles in carb-equipped cars, and still do today. Kits exist to convert older cars from carbs to fuel injection, and lots of people install them, but there’s no reason you have to. A carburetor will work just fine, and if you find a car with a new carb on it, like these two, you probably won’t even need to mess with it at all. Let’s take a look.
1985 Toyota Tercel – $4,500

Engine/drivetrain: 1.5-liter OHC inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: Tacoma, WA
Odometer reading: 74,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
There is possibly no better example of car-as-appliance than the Toyota Tercel. You could make an argument for the Prius today, I suppose, but it’s just an extrapolation of the same idea: a sturdy, no-nonsense vehicle built to be reliable, efficient, and practical – at the expense of anything even resembling fun. Most Tercels were driven into the ground ages ago, but once in a while a survivor pops up, like this little beige number.

This generation of Tercel only came with one engine in the US: a 1.5-liter four making just 63 horsepower. It does the job, but that’s about it. The transmission is a five-speed manual, driving the front wheels through a final drive mounted below the engine. It’s a weird arrangement, but it worked well. This one has just 74,000 miles on it, and the seller says it runs well. It does have a new Weber DGV carb on it in place of the stock carb. I doubt the Weber carb adds any power, but it probably helps with drivability and ease of tuning. It probably also won’t pass a smog test, if you live in a place that requires such things.

You wouldn’t expect a basic transportation car like this to have much in the way of creature comforts, so you won’t be disappointed when I tell you it does not. It doesn’t have a tachometer, or air conditioning, or power steering. I don’t even see a radio in the dash. It does have a right-side rearview mirror, so it isn’t the absolute cheapest Tercel available in 1985, but it’s close. It’s in good condition, which isn’t surprising considering the low mileage.

These boxy little hatchbacks, regardless of make or model, were everywhere in the ’80s and ’90s. Everybody bought them, but nobody thought of them as anything special. They’re still not anything special, but with a few decades in their rearview mirrors, they have a certain charm. This one is in particularly nice condition, and I bet it’s exactly like the one that someone’s mom had, and they’ll snap it up in a heartbeat, purely out of nostalgia.
1987 Dodge Ram 50 – $4,200

Engine/drivetrain: 2.0-liter OHC inline 4, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Elk Grove, CA
Odometer reading: 95,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
All three of the Big Three automakers imported a small truck and put their name on it at some point, but Chrysler started later than Ford or GM, and kept their captive import truck longer. The Dodge D50, as it was known originally, didn’t appear until 1979, but it stayed in showrooms all the way through 1993. This is the first year of the second generation, and it appears to be a fairly basic model.

As such, I’m guessing it has the smaller 2.0-liter engine instead of the 2.6 liter. Most little import trucks like this you see have manual transmissions, but this one has a four-speed automatic. All is not lost, though; the automatic comes with a column-mounted shifter, as all automatics should. It has low miles, and the seller says it was a “barn find.” They’ve done some work to bring it back to life, including installing a refurbished carb. It runs and drives great, and currently needs nothing except a belt for the AC compressor. Belts are easy to install, but the question is: why was it removed?

To go along with the column shifter, it has a good old fashioned bench seat. It looks like it’s in good shape, but it’s vinyl, so you might want to get that air conditioner fixed. This one is pretty well devoid of options too, apart from the air conditioner, but I do see an old-school two-knob tape deck in the dash.

The outside is in really good condition too. These small trucks lead hard lives when they aren’t stuck in a barn for an undisclosed length of time, so maybe this one lucked out. It does have a couple of dents, like a proper truck should, but the paint is shiny and it doesn’t have any rust.
If you have taken a shine to either of these, but the carbureted engines give you pause, don’t let them. These are both good, reliable cars, and by all accounts, they run fine. Fuel injection is a wonderful thing, but it isn’t strictly necessary, and if you limit yourself to nothing but fuel-injected engines, you’ll be missing out on a lot of interesting old cars. Which one of these do you find more interesting?









Ram 50! Damn, if only it was stick. It didn’t sway me much though since that is a beautiful blue truck that’s actually small. I love all those trucks from that era. I’ll just do a manual swap! I do like both, but just couldn’t vote for that Tercel…the stick is great but it’s still too boring of an econobox comparably. I will definitely put that Dodge to work!
(while watching my…carbs. ha ha)
Tercel for me. It’ll be a lot more fun to drive than that old pickup truck with the slushbox.
A rare situation for me in that I have experience with both of these! My brother had a Ram 50 (actually 2 of them. The first one he had for a couple of months before it was crushed by a hit and run while parked in front of our neighbor’s house. Lots more to that story but none of which relates to the poor innocent truck) and my college girlfriend had the Tercel. Both were good functional vehicles that I don’t have a lot of interest in owning now, but they both make me smile seeing them now. If I saw either in person I would definitely stop what I was doing to admire that they still were around and still in such good condition.
we had a heat index of 105′ in TN yesterday. My vote was 100% based on the possibility of getting the A/C working.
This is a ridiculous amount to pay for either of these things.
I know, I know, it is The Future now, and so forth, and this is how it is, blah blah blah. I still think we should loudly complain about how much it sucks while we’re waiting for someone to give us our pills and help us to bed, dammit.
Yeah, I completely agree. “It’s worth what someone is willing to pay” So sick of hearing this…yeah, well that still doesn’t make the buyer not a fool for paying that much! I like most older cars but there are certain shitboxes that were just trash from the beginning and should never cost this much. At the same time, I’m glad they are being used this long since we’re a disposable society and that someone can use it who just needs a car; plus I have no place to tell someone what to do, if that Tercel is their favorite car ever made…but for me I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t get something else. Better example is a Plymouth (Un)Reliant/Dodge Aries? Really?! One of the worst cars ever made…my brother and I have been making fun of those for a long time. Even worse is Chevy Citation and Chevette (Shitvette) Anyway, obviously I voted Ram 50. This will blow your mind: On that “other” site today (day after this article) there’s a Pinto Wagon for…$23,777.
A…PINTO! For almost $24K!
Total ND/Crackpipe, ha ha
I’ve owned three cars with carbs, and I don’t miss fiddling with those a bit.
One of those three was an ’84 Tercel 4×4 wagon. I suspect it could have used some carburetor work as it seemed to lean out the harder I pushed on the throttle. Other than that, and road noise, it was a really fun, practical car that treated me well.
This Ram 50 is kind of cool. While it probably needs every horsepower still willing to show up for work, the combo of the column-mounted shifter and the bench seat is endearing. OTH, I had a Toyota V6 4×4 truck with a 5M and after a few weeks of ownership, I wished I had found one with the automatic. Shifting the stick in that thing was about as rewarding as stirring a bowl of oatmeal with a screwdriver. The 5M in the Datsun I had before it was a lot better in the hand.
The asking prices on both of these feels at least $1K high. And I’d lose the whitewall tires on the truck or at least flip them on the rims.
Well crap. That is a clean Tercel, but a little truck is very useful, and those 2 doors are great.
D50, if I am going to be driving a penalty box, at least make it sort of useful. I don’t have a bunch of kids to drag around, though I do think the kids today lacked the requirement to sit on a tire in the back of a 2 door pickup and it shows.
And they won’t get off my lawn!
Using Google translate here: “just needs a” in Marketplacese translates to “broken” in English. Google further tells me a Marketplacese synonym for “broken” is also “includes a new.”
One of my formative experiences was driving the D50 my dad bought in Ohio when we were visiting family in 1986 all the way back home to SW Florida so I could “practice interstate driving”. I was 16 at the time and had just gotten my license. Other than temporarily losing the rest of my family in Mom’s Lancer Turbo on I-285 in Atlanta (we met up at a rest stop later) the trip was shockingly incident-free. I’ll always have a soft spot for these little trucks.
That Tercel is priced waaaaay too high.
They are both priced way too high, IMHO by a factor of 10.
You mis-spled “two” I think, unless you’ve got a WABAC machine.
I’m saying they are both worth about 400 each, tops. JMHO.
the Mitsu is slightly more useful than the frumpy Toyota.
but both are a no go with carbs.. Recently bought a carb’d Honda Accord, and it took one tank of higher-than-advertised Ethanol gas to ruin every seal in that carb, and its not run well even after a rebuild… so i need to FI swap it.
Toyota is the best, but I voted for the Mitsubishi this time because it has air conditioning, and Japanese small trucks are awesome.
It has ‘probably broken’ air conditioning…
It just needs a charge 😉
LOL
I dislike carbs after fiddling with enough small engines. Fuel injection is easier for my brain to figure out. 12 volts? Fuel pressure? Timing? Air metering figured? Go!
VERY rare for me to choose Dodge, but this one is nice and simple.
Move to CT where smog doesn’t exist after 25 years. Actually, that’s a good article, what are the 50 state rules on emissions testing.
I really want the Tercel but I could really use a small truck once in a while.The Dodge gets my vote today even though the A/C compressor is probably seized up.
Yeah, it’ll be an afternoon with a breaker bar and some penetrating oil or silicon lube.
Ram, though mostly because I’ve never driven one and it would be a fun truck to lower a bit and cruise in. Conversely, I’ve had plenty of seat time in a nearly identical Tercel, only with the 4-speed manual instead of the 5-speed, and it was actually sort of fun because of how light it was (which you paid for in “empty soda can” road noise).
Yeah. My ’84 4×4 wagon was really loud at speed on coarse pavement.
At the time the street up to my house was the ancient type of asphalt where it is basically a gravel road, but the rocks don’t move. It was LOUD, though the noise permissibility did let you know when those little tires were starting to give up grip in the turns.
The wagon had a solid rear axle and for some reason was prone to lift-throttle oversteer.
The FWD models had a bit of lift-off oversteer as well, though it was pretty easy to coax the back end back into place with the throttle. I also recall that it only had a front sway bar, and a small one at that, so in a sharp turn you would get a mix of severe understeer or light oversteer (depending upon throttle position) and then enough body roll to lift one of the back tires (slightly) off of the ground.
I driven that same Tercel in a brighter yellow color. Super basic and did its job.
But I need A/C these days and it wouldn’t pass smog here and they’re asking $4500 freakin’ dollars for a 41 year old Tercel. F that.
I’ll take the usable truck today and fix that A/C. Hopefully the compressor isn’t frozen but I’ve got them unfrozen before. Bonus for the bench seat and the tape deck and the fact that it’s $300 cheaper than the freakin’ Tercel.
The Tercel is a decent enough little econobox, greatly overpriced–but it has no special qualities, no charm, no compelling use case. If I’m spending four and a half grand, I’m getting something cooler, more interesting, more fun, or just more useful. The truck wins on the latter count.
I had the D50 in red way back. I blew the engine and bought a used grey market engine. Replaced the engine in a day out in the parking lot of my apartments 🙂
That little truck was a workhorse and blew ice could air.
The D50 is too cool to pass up. It looks like it was used as a car. Clean interior with no cracked dash, wrinkle free exterior. Gimme! If the bones of an A/C are there I’ll make it work. As for carburetors, if I never see one of those finicky Rube Goldberg contraptions again it’ll be too soon. Not a deal breaker in this case.
Agree – I now own a vacuum pump, etc… I can revive a dead A/C. Carbs are black magic to me.
The tiny Ram is all the truck I would need.
Take a look at the under-hood pics of the Tercel. What’s that shiny aluminum bit on the left side with the fuel lines? Looks like pressure regulator. The valve cover seems like it’s got some openings too where a PCV valve should live. And the firewall has some openings where I would expect to see heater hoses. Couple vacuum hoses appear to be cut off too.
Most of the above is probably related to the carb swap. The lunatic interested in paying $4 grand for this thing will want to take a closer look at that.
Was going to say the Asian American pick-up, but automatic? No thanks.
Hope the old carb comes with the Toyota: I can fix those things.
(Never had to fix a fuel injection, so don’t know if I can do that 😉 )
??? The Tercel has a two-barrel Weber DGV carb, not FI.
-And I’d rather fix the original, and then have that (unoriginal) Weber as a reserve 🙂
I should probably bookmark these listings and see how long they sit unsold for those prices.
I fully understand the pull of nostalgia, but I would think the memories associated with underpowered carbureted mid-80s tincans would be unpleasant ones.
For 4k plus both of these are pretty awful–I have to imagine they will linger for while.
Do they have to?
Do they have to?
Do they have to let them linger?
I’d pay this much for a pristine Tercel 4×4 wagon. It would have to be at least as nice as the ’84 I sold back in 1998.
It depends on where you are, but the Ram 50 price is pretty on par for clean 2WD import pickups right now around the southeast. Somebody could probably nab it for 3700 or so of they’re a good negotiator.
The asking price is where the conversation starts, after all, not where it ends.
Here in the Northeast you can bet a clean rust free Ranger from the 00’s for the price of that Ram 50.
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