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Cosmetically Challenged Chevrolets: 1985 Chevy Camaro vs 1987 Chevy Astro

Sbsd 5 21 2025
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Welcome back! We’ve got another pair of ugly but good-running vehicles today, both from the Heartbeat of America. One is like the car that every jerk in your high school drove, and the other is like nothing you’re likely to have ever seen before.

We looked at a couple of impromptu “Harlequin” cars yesterday, from Mitsubishi and Ford, and I guess I’m not surprised that the Fiesta ST took a huge win. I’ve never driven one, but I’ve heard they’re a riot. I have driven several Eclipses of various generations, and the only version I really like is the first. Everything after that, including this one, sits too low and has too tall of a beltline; it feels like you’re driving it from the bottom of a well.

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Oh, and kudos to commenter V10omous for picking up my Foreigner reference in the headline and running with it, even though I completely forgot to include the second half of the joke later. The title of the poll was supposed to be “Which one would make you a Gearbox Hero?”. Not sure how I forgot to include it; maybe I had double vision or something.

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All right, let’s check out a couple of ugly Chevies. One was obviously a Gambler car, and the other doesn’t seem like a terribly safe bet either. But they both run and drive fine.

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1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 – $3,700

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Engine/drivetrain: 5.0-liter overhead valve V8, four-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Tacoma, WA

Odometer reading: 53,000 miles (almost certainly rolled over)

Operational status: “Fun car to drive”

I feel sorry for the Camaro. It’s a cheap, good-looking, fun car built from dirt-common parts, with almost endless upgrade potential. But it always gets portrayed as the bad-guy car, from Buddy Repperton to the boyfriend in that Wheatus song. And because of that easy modifiability, too many Camaros end up really tacky, or half-finished, or – like this one – both.

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1985 was a big year for the third-generation Camaro: the sharp edges were softened a little bit, the infamous IROC option package for the Z28 became available, and some decent power was finally back on the menu with a tuned-port fuel injected 305 V8, which pumped out 215 horsepower–but was only available with an automatic. The seller claims this is an IROC, but it is not. It is, however, a Z28, and according to the VIN, it does have the TPI engine. All the seller says is that it has a “fast” engine, which may or may not mean it’s stock. You’d have to look under that ridiculous aftermarket hood to know for sure.

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The interior is where old Camaros tend to suffer the most, and this one is no exception. It’s missing a door panel, the seats are just plain gross, and I don’t think I even want to know what that is on the carpet. Replacements are available, so it can be fixed up, but it’ll cost you.

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The outside actually looks pretty good, except for that stupid hood. The front spoiler is broken, a victim of some curb somewhere no doubt, and there are a few other blemishes, but nothing terrible. It has T-tops, and comes with one extra – though the seller doesn’t specify left or right.

1987 Chevrolet Astro – $1,200

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 4.3-liter overhead valve V6, four-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Seattle, WA

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Odometer reading: 250,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great

The Gambler 500 is part of a larger automotive movement in recent years, a movement towards having fun with cheap cars, along with the Lemons race series, car shows like the Festival Of The Unexceptional, and –I like to think, in some small way – this column. The emphasis is on having fun with what you have, or can buy for cheap, rather than spending a ton of money. It’s automotive democracy in action, and I love it. Even better, the Gambler ethos is all about leaving the woods better than you found them. The same cannot, however, often be said about the cars.

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Gambler cars are supposed to only cost $500, but that’s really more of a guideline. This old Chevy Astro van could certainly have come in under the wire when it was first purchased for the task, fresh off a life of shuttling someone’s kids to soccer and ballet, and having no idea what its future held. Somewhere along the way, it lost most of its roof, and had a rear window and bulkhead installed behind the front seats, turning it into what the seller calls a “vuck,” a portmanteau of van and truck, but also probably a fair representation of what most people say when they see it, preceded by “what the.”

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The Astro’s stout mechanicals are a good choice for bashing through the woods, and the seller says its 4.3-liter V6 runs like a top. In fact, it just had an oil change and a full tune-up. Some concessions have been made for Gambler use: the rear diff is welded, and the exhaust is straight-piped, so it’s loud and doesn’t turn very well on pavement. The interior, what’s left of it, is a mess, as you would expect after untold romps in the woods.

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The modifications outside aren’t limited to the removal of the roof; a pickup-style roll bar has been installed in the bed, along with one of the old rear bench seats turned around backwards. There’s a big light bar on the roof, and a big winch in the front, both of which are important out in the boonies.

I realize there’s a big price difference between these two, but one is also a lot further gone than the other. The Camaro is probably restorable, if you wanted to, but the Astro is just a toy, unless you rip the stuff out of the bed and use it as a pickup truck. So which one interests you more – the quintessential 80s muscle car, or a cheap and interesting bushwhacker?

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IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
9 hours ago

Trashed F bodies are every bit as fun as garage queen F bodies. More fun in some ways, since you don’t have to fret over the resale value of your “classic”. I’d hoon the crap out of that Camaro with no effs given from dawn to dusk.

SAABstory
SAABstory
9 hours ago

The Camaro looks like someone’s parents drove it up from the Bahamas, but it’s better than the other one.

Minutely, but still.

10001010
10001010
9 hours ago
Reply to  SAABstory

You’re kidding

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
8 hours ago
Reply to  SAABstory

“Bitchin'” Dead Milkmen reference. 🙂

I went for the Astro. Apparently I’m drunk on unleaded.

Last edited 8 hours ago by I don't hate manual transmissions
Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
9 hours ago

Is the Camaro a better vehicle? Of course, but for that price there are much better 3rd gen Camaros out there. I’ll take the gambler Astro and have some stupid fun.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
10 hours ago

Of the two, the Astro is better looking, cheaper, and probably less beat on.

Gubbin
Gubbin
8 hours ago
Reply to  Andreas8088

You. I like you.

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
10 hours ago

I don’t think I could possibly drive home in the Gambler van, nor would I want to. Not sure what I’d do with it once it got here.

The Camaro at least has some possiblities, but that one is probably as mechanically piss-hammered as the Gambler van (it just doesn’t show it as much). There’s some curious stuff happening in that Z…one thing that jumped out at me was the messed up steering wheel. From what I remember, that style of yoke was in the base level Camaros, don’t remember seeing them in Zs, but I could be wrong. The other thing is the combination of roll up windows and T-tops. I’m gonna guess that this thing was never equpped with A/C either. I’d love to meet the guy who ordered it like this…dude had a limited budget, but knew that it was more important to keep the hair flowing in the wind than tick the sheet for other creature comforts. Whoever you are/were, I salute you.

SlowCarFast
SlowCarFast
10 hours ago

Both of these are overpriced. I know this is just a game, but it’s really hard for me to even pretend to buy one of these.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
10 hours ago

There you go Astro Toy!
You’re top now open to space!
Rocket by, power slide!
What adventures soon you will face!

Astro Toy bomb away!
On your Lemons mission today!
Here’s the lowdown, you’re set to throw down!
Everything is GO Astro Toy!

Astro Toy you’ll get by!
Through woods and mud you will fly!
Straight pipe sound, all around!
Unexceptional til the day you die!

Astro Toy there you go!
Dashing by friend and foe!
Comic ranger, laugh at danger!
Everything is GO Astro Toy!

Crowds will cheer you!
Gambler hero!
As you go! Go! GO! Astro Toy!

Last edited 10 hours ago by Canopysaurus
Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
10 hours ago

I’m not sure I would even take either of these if you gave them to me. I guess the Camaro is the better car, but yikes to both.

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
10 hours ago

The Camaro is 10 cans of spray primer and a mullet away from being EPIC.

I had one in two tone black/gray spray primer. And a mullet.

Last edited 9 hours ago by Angry Bob
Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
5 hours ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

You are my spirit animal.

HokieZs
HokieZs
2 hours ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

I couldn’t afford a Camaro when I had a mullet or I’d have had one.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
10 hours ago

I used to live in Gambler country (Oregon) and have seen way too many former Gambler cars in the flesh to ever consider owning one – I love the Gambler theme, but I don’t want to live it outside of the Gambler, and an Astro is definitely not my Gambler ride of choice. The Camaro gets my vote today.

It’s worth noting that you could get the T5 behind the TPI 305, but the TPI 350 was automatic-only.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
10 hours ago

I love the Gambler vibe in theory, and everyone who’s ever run it seems like a hoot (hey Mercedes!), but this XL-sized Subaru BRAT is not it for me.

Which leaves us with a bitchin’ Camaro that appears to have actually run over someone’s neighbor. We’ll take it (but not for that price), find a new front clip, and spend the summer driving up and down DuSable Lake Shore Drive blasting “Sussudio” through the open T-tops.

HokieZs
HokieZs
2 hours ago
Reply to  Geoff Buchholz

I’m blasting Judas Priest Sceaming for Vengeance but you do you

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
10 hours ago

“Someone else’s problems” (problems, plural, yes)

Ugh. The Astro is far overpriced IMHO unless you’re intent on solely offroading with half-a-van.

But if the Camaro can past a basic inspection that critical systems function – it can be, at least, driven.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
10 hours ago

Again, Mark, I ask, where is the “poked in the eye with a sharp stick” option?

Limited to the options on hand, at least the Camaro could be restored/resto-modded reasonably easily. Hell, a $1000 shopping spree at Pep Boys could greatly improve the looks from where it currently sits.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
10 hours ago

One of the days when the smart answer is neither, so the only real option is whichever involves burning less money.

Motorhead Mike
Motorhead Mike
11 hours ago

Doughnuts on yer lawn

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
10 hours ago
Reply to  Motorhead Mike
10001010
10001010
10 hours ago
Reply to  Motorhead Mike

Tony Orlando and Dawn

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
10 hours ago
Reply to  10001010

You’re gonna inspire the engine to Knock Three Times

Buzz
Buzz
11 hours ago

I like the wheels on the bitchin’ camaro, but since both of these are going to end up sideways in a tree I’m picking the cheaper option.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
11 hours ago

For guys of a certain age, the ability to buy a Camaro like this just for the fuck of it is why America is the greatest country in the world. Leave the T-tops off and let your mullet fly in the wind as you scare children and make Prius drivers shy away.
Oh, and forget the Night Ranger, but some Dokken or Ratt would just be *chef’s kiss* coming out of this car.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
11 hours ago

This guy mullets!

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
11 hours ago

You could be Breaking the (timing) Chains in that Camaro!

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
10 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Aw, man, you got a Heartless Heart.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
10 hours ago

Sorry, I didn’t think you’d come Back for the Attack

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
9 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

He’s a hunter.
Searchin’ for love (and shitboxes).
On these lonely streets.
Again.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
9 hours ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I don’t want to spend any Sleepless Nights worried about this

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
9 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Straight to the top, Tooth and Nail.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
8 hours ago

Don’t throw me Into the Fire!

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
7 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

OK, just Don’t Close Your Eyes.

HokieZs
HokieZs
2 hours ago

Such a shame I have but one Smile to give

10001010
10001010
10 hours ago

Well there’s also one particular Dead Milkmen song that fits this car…

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
10 hours ago
Reply to  10001010

I swear I first heard the Dead Kennedy’s Buzzbomb blaring out of one of these things

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
11 hours ago

I actually don’t mind the hood on the Camaro, but it obviously needs to be painted. It’s a project car, and not a particularly exciting one at that, but I would have fun with it anyway. Maybe rip out the engine and find a way to hook up the 2.0 turbo from a newer one just to piss people off.

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
4 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Na. Toyota power train. Hell, some of the four bangers available would probably increase power

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
4 hours ago

Yes! 3SGTE all day long! Make it AWD too, basically a Celica GT-Four wearing the Camaro as a suit. It would be hilarious and make everyone mad. It would also cost a crazy amount so definitely not worth it, but man it would be funny.

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
4 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Now that is what I’m talking about! Improved power, traction, and handling while committing a heresy.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
11 hours ago

$3,700 for a car I don’t want, or $1,200 for an ICE Slate wannabe. I’ll go with Slate knockoff and a trip to the pick-n-pull for a new axle.

And my neighbors will all say “man, why didn’t you go for the Camero?”

4jim
4jim
11 hours ago

A second day in a row of neither for me.

The years of these reminded me of a Camaro joke I learned in 1987 freshman year of college:

“Why are Camaros like Hemorrhoids? Eventually every a$$hole has one.”

It is a dated joke now, but it was memorable given the time.

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
11 hours ago

I might be bias for my turd gens sibling but the Camaro at least can be fixed up and made into a nice cruiser the van on the other hand is well I mean just look at the pictures hah.

Last edited 11 hours ago by Harvey Firebirdman
PresterJohn
PresterJohn
11 hours ago

Absolutely putrid vehicles today – excellent work Mark. I had to vote for the Camaro simply because the gambler car isn’t really suitable for on-road use anymore.

Despite voting for it, there’s no way I’d be paying more than 2k for that heap though.

Last edited 11 hours ago by PresterJohn
StillNotATony
StillNotATony
12 hours ago

Don’t get me wrong. I love the Gambler 500 and it’s aesthetic.

But when a Gambler participant unloads their vehicle of choice, there’s a reason. Maybe they’ve found something else, but more likely, this vruvk has gambled its last.

Gimme the 3rd gen.

Logan King
Logan King
12 hours ago

With the knowledge of how they already faired in crash tests, how mega dead are you going to be if you get in any accident with an Astro that was significantly stiffened just *behind* the front seats?

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
12 hours ago
Reply to  Logan King

It’s for the best, honestly.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
13 hours ago

I can’t fathom what use I’d have for the former Gambler rig. Time to grow out my mullet I guess.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
11 hours ago

Look at those back seats, it’s a perfect drive in movie car. They still have drive ins, right?

Clark B
Clark B
10 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

There’s actually two within a half hour of where I live! One is a holdover from the 50s, but the other one was built within the last 10 years.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
10 hours ago
Reply to  Clark B

Then only $1,200, and you could be having the time of your life!*

*after a tetanus shot or two

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
8 hours ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

And maybe some penicillin

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