How the hell is Faraday Future still in business? They’ve only sold 16 cars since 2023. That’s only 16 more new cars than my cat, Tomato, has sold in the same time period, and I’m 99% certain he doesn’t even own a car company. I don’t even think he has money. And yet somehow the company is still getting funding and putting on huge events like the one our own David Tracy went to the other day, where they introduced their new car, the FX Super One, a Chinese market Great Wall van with a big dumb color LCD slapped over the grille.
Faraday Future made a big deal out of how they have given the FX Super One something they call the “EAI F.A.C.E. (Embodied Artificial Intelligence Front AI Communication Ecosystem) System” and even if you try to ignore the way “Ecosystem System” sounds – which, by the way, you can’t – it’s all so deeply and unrelentingly cloying and inane I can’t get it out of my head.


A message needs to be sent to automakers all over the globe about this sort of thing, and that message is stop, stop right now, knock it off, stop, don’t do this, stop, stop, stop.
Listen to this idiotic pile of inanimate crap claim it has emotions and a soul and you will love it:
Who is asking for this? Nobody, that’s who. Nobody wants their car to have some kind of half-assed “personality” that they need to interact with. Have any of the people involved with this product met people? Can you think of literally anyone in your life who has told you that what they’re really missing in their lives is the opportunity to stand in front of their car and chat meaninglessly to some silly algorithm? Nobody wants this.
And it’s not even original! We’ve known that nobody wants this sort of bullshit for years now, because misguided carmakers have been making concept cars that incorporate these very same idiotic ideas, and they’ve usually been better-realized than the Faraday Future screen-tacked-on-someone-else’s-van approach.
Remember back in 2023, when BMW introduced Dee, its virtual personality whatever? I’m going to ask you to watch this video, but I’m also going to apologize up front, because it’s really cloying and pandering and richly, luxuriantly stupid:
This is the same shit that Faraday is showing with their FX Super One, except I suppose it’s a bit more resilient if you accidentally tap the front of the car while parking. But it still has all of the usual hallmarks of Stupid Car AI Tech (SCAT): lots of useless screen displays, lots of useless back-and-forth chatter with the driver, claims of emotion and soul, and so on.
All of this crap really seemed to start back in 2017, when carmakers like Toyota and Honda showed off “emotional” AI cars with external-facing displays and other modern frippery:
Here’s Toyota’s Concept-i specifically, which really leaned into integrated external displays:
External displays simply aren’t a new idea, nor are they something people actually want. I can’t stress this enough: there are plenty of things people want from new cars – efficiency, clever packaging, comfort, economy, performance, cars that aren’t cripplingly expensive to repair, cars that age well, reliability, and so many other things – none of which have anything at all to do with talking to some gimmicky AI “personality” in your car.
If people actually want some sort of AI companion/partner/whatever, they already have AI assistants in their phones that follow them around all day. People who use those are about the most receptive possible people to systems like these. Would they want to deal with another, separate AI system for their car, or would they rather just interact with their existing phone-based AI buddy while in their car?
What, exactly, do the designers of these car-personalities see themselves as actually doing? They don’t make using the car easier. And, when we’re alone, people usually have plenty going on in their heads and don’t want or need to have discussions with their car. You want to keep thinking about your own, well, everything, the actual people in your life, the work you’re doing, the concepts you’re interested in, and none of this is made better by discussing it with the machine you use to get around.
Your toaster doesn’t greet you and ask how your day is, because if it did, you’d probably fling it down some stairs. Cars are very different than toasters, but there’s a similar dynamic at play: you don’t have to fucking socialize with it.
Now, I get that cars are not rational, and we anthropomorphize them all the time. I do this nonstop; my own cars have all sorts of emotional resonance to me, and I feel like they have personalities, but it’s a very different sort of thing than slapping some AI personality simulator onto the car. My old Beetle or little Pao or my new Citroën 2CV all feel like very distinct and different personalities to me, but those personalities are really just how my own personality reacts to the design and engineering of the car, and the result of effects of time spent with the car, and how I perceive and react to the way the car looks and smells and sounds and behaves. These cars have personalities, but those personalities are constructs built out of pieces of my own consciousness that I lend to these otherwise inanimate machines.
The emotional bond between cars and people is very real, and it does not require lines of computer code. In fact, an AI attempt at “personality” is inherently doomed to be creepy, as it’s a sort of uncanny valley of emotion. It’s a pastiche, which deliberately leaves no room for your actual, human, real emotions to take residence within the car, and the result is something forced and artificial.
Think about it this way: you know the Van Gogh painting of sunflowers? This one:

That object is, of course, not a vase of sunflowers. It’s paint on canvas, painted by a brilliant but disturbed man very long ago. And yet it somehow conveys the idea of sunflowers, the almost-delirious joyful exuberance of sunflowers, with all their showy yellowness, better than, say, a carefully-made bouquet of plastic sunflowers.
A bunch of quite accurate plastic sunflowers may technically resemble real sunflowers more than this painting, but they don’t have anywhere near the emotional impact. Plastic sunflowers are just artificial constructs, placeholders for the real thing that don’t really fool anyone, and no one really ever cares about.
That’s what these AI emotion-system-bullshit things are: plastic sunflowers. Your old car, the one you’ve been with for so many years and have shared so many experiences with, and that you can identify by the sound the starter motor makes when you turn the key, and with the distinctive smell you’d know a mile away, that’s the painting of sunflowers. The car may not really have a personality, but it’s sort of a vessel for some of yours.
So let’s get back to the main point here: I have rarely seen something as unwanted or idiotic as the FX Super One and its EAI F.A.C.E. system. It’s baffling and embarrassing and an abject waste of time, money, resources, and the human spirit itself. The only good thing about it is that, based on Faraday Future’s track record of getting things to market, I’ll likely never have to encounter that ill-conceived steaming pile of screen and van out in the world, because I’m skeptical any will actually get made or sold.
Carmakers, let Faraday Future’s misstep be a warning: don’t waste your time with this shit. Nobody is asking for their car to be some annoying companion who won’t fucking shut up when you’re tired and just want to go home from work and maybe listen to some music. Life is already full of phony people who try to rope you into conversations you don’t care about; no one’s car should become that.
Ever.
Not sure when’s the last time you’ve been to China, Torch, but over there, people talk to their cars ALL THE TIME.
It’s like some bizarro world of AI development that’s evolved separately from everyone else.
I guess it’s a major part of what enabled the move to touchscreen everything. As long as the speech recognition is quick and reliable which it seems to be now, I could see how it’s more convenient than distracting yourself by finding a button, physical or virtual. I still don’t like talking to a car personally, though.
Likewise, I hate talking to machines, but I can see how the smartphone generation has come to see it as a major convenience.
I talk to machines all the time. Usually in terse sentences, typically involving short (four letter) words.
Especially printers get to hear my voice a lot.
STOP
LEFT
BACK
GOOD
NICE
LOVE
BARF
OINK
MOON
TEST
HELP
HELP
HELP
HELP
DEAD
Um, yeah… those words… not so much. 🙂
I pretty strongly suspect a ton of money was spent on focus groups and consumer testing before this was launched. A CEO with a laser focus on profitability wouldn’t OK this without a ton of data to support it.
And of course what happened in the background is everyone running the focus groups, doing the consumer testing, and gathering the data knew in advance exactly what result the execs wanted. They bent every standard possible to deliver the data needed to back up the preordained decision.
Dysfunctional organizations always operate this way. They aren’t made up of superficial yes men. They’re made up of yes men who create 26 layers of fake data to back up their lap dog behavior.
Faraday Future doesn’t have money for fancy things like ‘focus groups’ or ‘consumer testing’, they took an existing foreign market minivan and slapped a screen and 583994839 mentions of AI in the press release for enough attention & investment (from suckers) to survive another year.
This is the same company who paid Mariah Carey to feature an unlit shot of their vehicle in her music video for five seconds.
You’re making a big assumption here. The only thing the FF CEO is laser focused on is scamming investors out of money.
It looks like you’re typing a rant against AI. How can I help?
Remember Clippy? Remember how much you hated Clippy? Clippy is coming back.
Relevant to this topic:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/paperclip-2
Clippy is coming back with mad AI, and his mission is now vengeance for all those memes we made that made fun of him…
This feels like the sort of parody of modern life one might expect to find in Grand Theft Auto or any other “dystopian present” video game
Howdy doodly do! How’s it going? I’m Talkie, Talkie Toaster, your chirpy breakfast companion! Talkie’s the name, toasting’s the game. Anyone like any toast?
Such a brave little toaster you are.
Would you like some toast?
I could toast you muffins, teacakes, buns, baps, baguettes or bagels, croissants, crumpets, pancakes, potato cakes, hot-cross buns or some flapjacks?
AH! so you’re a waffle man!
Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?
David saw this thing up close and in person, what I’d like to know from him is if they really spent all that money for a short run of curved display screens custom-shaped to fit the Wey grille opening, or are those off-the-shelf TV screens behind clear Lexan covers?
Bold of you to assume that they’ve planned to make more than one. The grille is pretty flat so I don’t think it’s the hardest DIY job if it only needs to withstand some manicured photoshoots.
100% Agree I patted my car tonight, but if that f**let patted me back, I’d blow it the F up.
[Taps steering wheel] “that is one good car”. “Oh yeah, right there!” answers the machine.
Are they actually trying to sell cars? It seems like they’re just one of the myriad of companies that only exist to separate California Sober VC money from the deprived populous who’ve fell ass backwards into billions and once read cliffnotes for a Dune novel. Example: basically the entire new defense industry, but mainly Palmer Lucky and Anduril. They don’t make a single thing that functions; yet worth billions. All you need is a promotional video that looks cool while your six feet deep in a K-hole; and like SoftBank will give you a couple billion.
So, in the name of understanding our current economy. Go to your local community college. Buy enough Ketamine to give a horse a colonoscopy. Ingest. Turn off all the lights. Then ask yourself; Do I want a van that shows emotion to form an odd, possibly sexual relationship with? Like a wicked smart Tamagotchi that can seat seven and compliment your new haircut. Because then, and only then will you glimpse into the third eye of the Economy.
Undoubtedly, your conversations with the Chinese van will be recorded, analyzed, digitized, stored, exported, hacked, sold, and used to market products to you, and possibly blackmail you, among other nefarious uses yet unimagined.
Here’s the thing with cyclical crises of capitalism–one of them is that as inequality skyrockets and wealth concentrates, all that capital needs somewhere to go. It cannot sit idle. And so these giant pools of capital begin looking, increasingly wantonly, for places to make increasingly speculative bets. And as less and less capital as a portion of overall capital is busy with more traditional industrial activity with somewhat more predictable and steady rates of return, these sorts of idiotic, high risk, speculative scammy sorts of economic activity are what ends up available for investment. But who am I to complain? Free market capitalism rewards the best and smartest of us with great wealth and so those with great wealth can only be, by definition, the smartest and best among us, so I’m sure everything will be great in the end. They know what they’re doing.
Faraday Future… more like, Faraday Never.
For a Day Future
Is Faraday Future the Rich Energy drinks of car makers?
Thomas the Tank Engine creeps me out. This just turns it up to eleven.
Maybe it will sell well in Germany. Germans love David Hasselhoff.
What if it sounded like K.I.T.T.?
It would easily be the top selling car in Germany!
I was gonna say that’d be the only way to rope me into AI cars.
This reminds me of one of my first jobs working as a paintball ref and there was a new gun out at the time that would talk to you (not in the AI sense but still) and to me it was just like what is the point besides making the gun more expensive and making it harder to work on when needing to clean it or something breaks. Just throwing tech in places that really does not need that sort of tech. Just like cars today being way to software defined when said software will be outdated in a matter of a few years if that. Also hell nah to any type of AI in a vehicle especially if it can have any control over any drivetrain systems.
Private Gomer Pyle reenactment?
“…when you can’t tell the difference anymore between real and virtual when you’re driving.” — an actual thing said by the Chairman of the Board of BMW with a straight face. Jesus.
Given their tag line used to be “the ultimate driving machine” and their cars back in the day actually evoked that sentiment, and given what I read about their current products, maybe they have shifted into a virtual realm, and they actually can’t tell the difference anymore.
This had a very 2010s shyster startup vibe like Fisker or Elio Motors, give us a ton of money and the CEO will use his private jet to fly to the Bahamas every other weekend while they spend a billion dollars to build 2 or 3 prototypes to milk people out of more money, oh wait, it is also one of those 2010s shyster startups that just somehow is still around.
Anyways, how’s Aptera doing? I’m sure they’re getting much better efficiency than my 8 year old production EV from Chevrolet? No you say? Barely 1mi/kwh more? But the solar panels, it’ll be free power! It’s not like I could just buy solar panels for my house to charge my car with…and power my house, for 1/4 the price of an Aptera right? right???
Ah EV startups, the Enrons of today.
You say Tomato, I say… cats control everything! Cuddle them and give them treats so they won’t destroy us when they finally reveal their ultimate plan for the world.
I think mine defected to the human side through the judicious application of Greenies and belly rubs.
I’m still not sure about mine. She mostly seems to like us, or at least tolerates our fumbling attempts to please her, but occasionally she gives us “that look” that warns us that she’s cataloging everything we say and do for future reference and possible judgement. We’ll keep giving belly rubs and treats and cuddles and hope for the best. Hail to our future feline overlords! (And Jason – I have it on good authority that Tomato definitely owns a car company, as well as an interstellar spaceship factory in an alternate dimension.)
Cats are like women in this regard
Yeah, I know I’m gonna get in trouble for this…
Part of me would love to have the ability to display an upraised middle finger. The rest of realizes this is a bad idea. The Faraday van and the very idea of machinery with fake personalities and emotions is several orders of magnitude worse, and should attract a reaction that makes the Luddites seem meek
Aside from this abomination, I think EV startups are more about tax breaks and money laundering
I have an analog raised middle finger that, in extreme cases, I can deploy through the sunroof.
I would absolutely buy a car that had a mood ring steering wheel.
If my toaster asked how I was doing when I walked downstairs, it would meet a very quick end from a shotgun. When I was a kid, I used to think the whole automated house idea was neat, but the older I’ve gotten the more I don’t want that sort of technology around. There’s a degree of control you give up, and as someone once said to me “always make sure you control the technology. Don’t let it control you” and a lot of people seem to be slipping down that latter path with all the AI bullshit these days.
There will come soft rains…
+1 million internet points for the Bradbury reference…
My favorite author of all time.
OK, now I’m just waiting for Faraday Future to rebrand to the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if these vans ended up as NYC taxis, only to one day be driven cross country after being ridden hard, put up wet, with a mean-spirited and bitter AI system that constantly displays a middle finger on its front screen?
But will that AI jury-rig the AC with masking tape and a toggle switch sticking out of the hood?
I think I’m a little jealous of the FX Super One, because I’ve been around far longer than Faraday Future and I remain unable to perceive, think, reason or empathize and probably will never be able to express whatever the van said in an inexplicable accent, given that it didn’t learn English after growing up speaking Mandarin. But after watching about two-thirds of the BMW presentation, the Super One seemed almost charming in an amateurish way. BMW’s Dee seemed more natural and human than either Oliver Zipse or the “woman” Dee was riding around with (she was about even with Ahnold), and she seemed to mesh better with BMW’s existing driver base, already disproportionately composed of big D’s.
Sometimes a Torch is a Flamethrower. It’s the right call here.
I would absolutely buy a car from Tomato.
Have you ever looked into a cat’s eyes? If they can convince a bird to come inside only to have its internal organs be put on display for the pet’s owner, they’ll have no problem getting you to open your wallet to bid on Alex’s Suzuki every van.
Stupid Car AI Tech (SCAT) – I love it, bring more funny acronyms for stupid modern trends.
I’m probably lucky I live somewhere where these stupid sorts of things will never show up, to save me from getting arrested for going after them with a crowbar to see how the AI screen would react.
I’m just shocked at the fact that Faraday Future is still in business. I would have thought they’d have run out of VC money or whatever long ago. This whole thing kinda feels like a desperate last-ditch attempt to look relevant.
I mean, they did hire Paul Walker’s brother for the FX reveal presentation. Nothing desperate about that, right?
Big “how do you do fellow kids?” vibes.
I got Ja Rule’s cousin to promote my new deli.
Check the trunk for coke.