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Faraday Future’s Stupid New AI-Emotion-Enhanced Van Is A Reminder To Carmakers That Nobody Wants This Kind Of Crap

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How the hell is Faraday Future still in business? They’ve only sold 16 cars since 2023. That’s only 16 more new cars than my cat, Tomato, has sold in the same time period, and I’m 99% certain he doesn’t even own a car company. I don’t even think he has money. And yet somehow the company is still getting funding and putting on huge events like the one our own David Tracy went to the other day, where they introduced their new car, the FX Super One, a Chinese market Great Wall van with a big dumb color LCD slapped over the grille.

Faraday Future made a big deal out of how they have given the FX Super One something they call the “EAI F.A.C.E. (Embodied Artificial Intelligence Front AI Communication Ecosystem) System” and even if you try to ignore the way “Ecosystem System” sounds – which, by the way, you can’t – it’s all so deeply and unrelentingly cloying and inane I can’t get it out of my head.

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A message needs to be sent to automakers all over the globe about this sort of thing, and that message is stop, stop right now, knock it off, stop, don’t do this, stop, stop, stop.

Listen to this idiotic pile of inanimate crap claim it has emotions and a soul and you will love it:

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Who is asking for this? Nobody, that’s who. Nobody wants their car to have some kind of half-assed “personality” that they need to interact with. Have any of the people involved with this product met people? Can you think of literally anyone in your life who has told you that what they’re really missing in their lives is the opportunity to stand in front of their car and chat meaninglessly to some silly algorithm? Nobody wants this.

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And it’s not even original! We’ve known that nobody wants this sort of bullshit for years now, because misguided carmakers have been making concept cars that incorporate these very same idiotic ideas, and they’ve usually been better-realized than the Faraday Future screen-tacked-on-someone-else’s-van approach.

Remember back in 2023, when BMW introduced Dee, its virtual personality whatever? I’m going to ask you to watch this video, but I’m also going to apologize up front, because it’s really cloying and pandering and richly, luxuriantly stupid:

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This is the same shit that Faraday is showing with their FX Super One, except I suppose it’s a bit more resilient if you accidentally tap the front of the car while parking. But it still has all of the usual hallmarks of Stupid Car AI Tech (SCAT): lots of useless screen displays, lots of useless back-and-forth chatter with the driver, claims of emotion and soul, and so on.

All of this crap really seemed to start back in 2017, when carmakers like Toyota and Honda showed off “emotional” AI cars with external-facing displays and other modern frippery:

Here’s Toyota’s Concept-i specifically, which really leaned into integrated external displays:

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External displays simply aren’t a new idea, nor are they something people actually want. I can’t stress this enough: there are plenty of things people want from new cars – efficiency, clever packaging, comfort, economy, performance, cars that aren’t cripplingly expensive to repair, cars that age well, reliability, and so many other things – none of which have anything at all to do with talking to some gimmicky AI “personality” in your car.

If people actually want some sort of AI companion/partner/whatever, they already have AI assistants in their phones that follow them around all day. People who use those are about the most receptive possible people to systems like these. Would they want to deal with another, separate AI system for their car, or would they rather just interact with their existing phone-based AI buddy while in their car?

What, exactly, do the designers of these car-personalities see themselves as actually doing? They don’t make using the car easier. And, when we’re alone, people usually have plenty going on in their heads and don’t want or need to have discussions with their car. You want to keep thinking about your own, well, everything, the actual people in your life, the work you’re doing, the concepts you’re interested in, and none of this is made better by discussing it with the machine you use to get around.

Your toaster doesn’t greet you and ask how your day is, because if it did, you’d probably fling it down some stairs. Cars are very different than toasters, but there’s a similar dynamic at play: you don’t have to fucking socialize with it.

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Now, I get that cars are not rational, and we anthropomorphize them all the time. I do this nonstop; my own cars have all sorts of emotional resonance to me, and I feel like they have personalities, but it’s a very different sort of thing than slapping some AI personality simulator onto the car. My old Beetle or little Pao or my new Citroën 2CV all feel like very distinct and different personalities to me, but those personalities are really just how my own personality reacts to the design and engineering of the car, and the result of effects of time spent with the car, and how I perceive and react to the way the car looks and smells and sounds and behaves. These cars have personalities, but those personalities are constructs built out of pieces of my own consciousness that I lend to these otherwise inanimate machines.

The emotional bond between cars and people is very real, and it does not require lines of computer code. In fact, an AI attempt at “personality” is inherently doomed to be creepy, as it’s a sort of uncanny valley of emotion. It’s a pastiche, which deliberately leaves no room for your actual, human, real emotions to take residence within the car, and the result is something forced and artificial.

Think about it this way: you know the Van Gogh painting of sunflowers? This one:

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That object is, of course, not a vase of sunflowers. It’s paint on canvas, painted by a brilliant but disturbed man very long ago. And yet it somehow conveys the idea of sunflowers, the almost-delirious joyful exuberance of sunflowers, with all their showy yellowness, better than, say, a carefully-made bouquet of plastic sunflowers.

A bunch of quite accurate plastic sunflowers may technically resemble real sunflowers more than this painting, but they don’t have anywhere near the emotional impact. Plastic sunflowers are just artificial constructs, placeholders for the real thing that don’t really fool anyone, and no one really ever cares about.

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That’s what these AI emotion-system-bullshit things are: plastic sunflowers. Your old car, the one you’ve been with for so many years and have shared so many experiences with, and that you can identify by the sound the starter motor makes when you turn the key, and with the distinctive smell you’d know a mile away, that’s the painting of sunflowers. The car may not really have a personality, but it’s sort of a vessel for some of yours.

So let’s get back to the main point here: I have rarely seen something as unwanted or idiotic as the FX Super One and its EAI F.A.C.E. system. It’s baffling and embarrassing and an abject waste of time, money, resources, and the human spirit itself. The only good thing about it is that, based on Faraday Future’s track record of getting things to market, I’ll likely never have to encounter that ill-conceived steaming pile of screen and van out in the world, because I’m skeptical any will actually get made or sold.

Carmakers, let Faraday Future’s misstep be a warning: don’t waste your time with this shit. Nobody is asking for their car to be some annoying companion who won’t fucking shut up when you’re tired and just want to go home from work and maybe listen to some music. Life is already full of phony people who try to rope you into conversations you don’t care about; no one’s car should become that.

Ever.

 

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Big J
Big J
1 day ago

FF made a mistake in not partnering with the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation and equipping their vans with Genuine People Personalities.[TM]

TK-421
TK-421
1 day ago

I picked up a $20 doo-hickey from Ollie’s that is an LED sign about 5×7″ that you use an app to add faces and text. It’s been fun for a few weeks but I’m already bored with it.

TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
1 day ago
Reply to  TK-421

-Glue LED sign to the front of Autopian taxis.
-Punch new holes in hood using woodworking tools.
-Run a sketchy power wire through hole to tablet.
…PROFIT!

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 day ago

“…when you can’t tell the difference anymore between real and virtual when you’re driving.” Pfft. American land yachts achieved that decades ago with just some soft springs and overboosted steering.

bomberoKevino
bomberoKevino
1 day ago

Just also want to raise the point that AI personalities in cars have actually been around since the 80s. I used to have wonderful metaphysical conversations with my neighbor’s car about doors, jars, and whether one can be the other. Try doing that with FACE.

Goof
Goof
1 day ago

That’s only 16 more new cars than my cat, Tomato, has sold in the same time period, and I’m 99% certain he doesn’t even own a car company. I don’t even think he has money.

Has Tomato considered looking for venture capital?

bomberoKevino
bomberoKevino
1 day ago

OK, the FF thing is a hilariously, wonderfully bad collision of money and desperation, and the idea of cars having AI personalities is terrible. BUT…..autonomous vehicles DO need a way of communicating with other drivers and pedestrians. Think of how much less reassuring it is to slow traffic merge or walk through a crosswalk when the other driver has deep tinted windows versus when you can see their face. I think you’ve written about this before? And something like a face on the front of the car might be worth testingl for those purposes–a face (but not a F.A.C.E.) is an interface we know already. Of course, that’s not at all what they’re trying to do with this half-baked collection of buzzwords (how does it not have a crypto angle?), but there’e the seeds of a worthwhile idea in the madness here..

Manuel Verissimo
Manuel Verissimo
1 day ago
Reply to  bomberoKevino

There was a car with eyes being tested by scientists. Pedestrians did manage to read its intentions better.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
1 day ago
Reply to  bomberoKevino

Your point about this being useful for autonomous vehicles is a good one. With no driver to look at, the car could use this front screen to convey useful information to pedestrians.

For example, if the vehicle was going to ignore the people in the cross walk and plow right through, it could make the front end look like a BMW or a Mercedes.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 day ago

Or an Altima.

Mr. Frick
Mr. Frick
1 day ago

I’d be careful around that toaster. You obviously haven’t read much Phillip K Dick.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
1 day ago
Reply to  Mr. Frick

Not mention the careless use of an anti-Cylon slur!

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
1 day ago

Look, I’m never rooting for anyone to lose their jobs. God knows the tech industry is bleeding a lot of them right now, and people are struggling.

But I would like this entire organization to go away right now. Please, go do something else. Anything else. The fact that any amount of capital is going into this nonsense is a tragedy. Is this why rich people need to pay less in taxes? To dump their “fuck it” money into unusable fake AI grille screens?

I hate this.

BunkyTheMelon
BunkyTheMelon
1 day ago

If anyone needs proof that no one bothers to look at the front end of their own cars, here it is: Lexus and BMW sell a lot of cars.

Jmfecon
Jmfecon
1 day ago

Can it play Doom?

Oldhusky
Oldhusky
1 day ago

Been waiting for this hot Torch take since the original post about this abhorrent pile of talking nonsense. Not disappointed.

SAABstory
SAABstory
1 day ago

So we’re closer to My Mother, the Car.

That’s not good.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 day ago
Reply to  SAABstory

KITT, Herbie, Speed Buggy, Lightning McQueen and Mater.
Oh, and Christine.

Industrial_design_guy
Industrial_design_guy
1 day ago

Did anyone catch Jun saying “coolio” in response to the car saying something stupid? I’m honestly gobsmacked. Coolio…..coolio. Am I back in the early 2000’s all of a sudden?

El Barto
El Barto
1 day ago

Yeah, so who owns the AI assistant and where is it based? No-one has answered these two questions, but considering this is a Chinese van, with Chinese software, mics and cameras, and the founder of Faraday Future is Chinese, you do the math.

Hard pass from me all day and every day.

Anoos
Anoos
1 day ago
Reply to  El Barto

I am with you regardless of who holds the data. I certainly do not trust any US corporation with that much data either.

In reality, we’re talking about a tiny amount of data because they’re going to ‘sell’ about a dozen of these to influencer a-holes who will drive them only to places full of people constantly posting to social media.

G. R.
G. R.
1 day ago

BMW calling their AI “Dee” instead of “Bimmer” is the dumb cherry on top of the stupid CarAI cake

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
1 day ago

Teddy Ruxpin has more personality.

BunkyTheMelon
BunkyTheMelon
1 day ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

Especially when you put a 2 Live Crew tape in him.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 day ago

I think these are going to be great for us bigly smart, very smart, very smart people to use when we have to carry all our incredibly huge stash of bitcoins around with us.

Harvey Park Avenue
Harvey Park Avenue
1 day ago

What I don’t get is this. If the grille display is in its normal orientation, the drivers in front of you can’t read what’s written on it because it’s backwards in their mirrors. And if it’s backwards like ECNALUBMA then people looking at it e.g. when parked can’t read it. And the whole time the driver can’t see it either way.

Aaronaut
Aaronaut
1 day ago

Ha! Good call… It’s almost as if nobody thought his through!

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
1 day ago

the people that keep giving faraday money need to lose their right to vote.

SLM
SLM
1 day ago

That’s the problem with IA, I want useful objects I can abuse if I want, I don’t want to argue with an intelligent car :
” -Turn right now !
– No I’m sorry, my upper right ball joint is quite worn and I don’t feel it…”

Abdominal Snoman
Abdominal Snoman
2 days ago

“Life is already full of phony people who try to rope you into conversations you don’t care about;”

On the upside if they’re talking to their cars they won’t bother you.

LTDScott
LTDScott
2 days ago

Preach! I hate that any of this is a thing that I even have to acknowledge the existence of. I didn’t even comment on the original post about the event just to not lend any of this bullshit any more credence.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 days ago

But think of the possibilities of ADVERTISING!!!!

Bob Boxbody
Bob Boxbody
2 days ago

I don’t remember the BMW “Dee” thing, but my god that video. I set out to watch the whole thing, I really did, but once the lady (who had already called the car her “bestie”) declared that something was “coolio”, I had to bail.

But that BMW system seemed way less stupid than this Faraday Future idiocy. I mean, how half-assed. They’ll never have any credibility now.

Industrial_design_guy
Industrial_design_guy
1 day ago
Reply to  Bob Boxbody

Yeah, that “coolio” was top level cringe. Mind blowing that this actually passed the sniff test and got released to the public.

Kasey
Kasey
2 days ago

There was a Chevy conversion van near here that had outward facing TVs in the side windows that the driver would exclusively play late 90s and early 2000s music videos on while driving around and that’s about my limit on exterior screens on cars.

SAABstory
SAABstory
1 day ago
Reply to  Kasey

Can I put Frank Frazetta Conan art on the FF van screen? You know the ones, they got put on vans back in the 70s. Oh, Max Headroom! Even better. Genie from Pee Wee’s Playhouse. Lots of options.

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