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GM Once Tried To Sell Cars In Japan And It Was Such A Failure It Then Tried To Sell Those Cars Back To America

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There’s been a lot of discussion lately about opening up the Japanese market to cars from American automakers, which is something that hasn’t been extensively tried in decades. Some of this probably comes down to the reality that American cars tend to be too large to be comfortably driven in Japan. Some of it might come down to taste, as General Motors learned when it tried to launch the Saturn brand in Japan.

I was a judge at a JDM car show this weekend in Mamaroneck, New York, and one of the first cars that caught my eye was a Saturn SW2 wagon. Was the owner parked in the wrong place? Not at all. The Saturn had a wheel on the right side of the car, like a Japanese market car, and a bunch of Japanese brochures for the Saturn brand.

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There was a super clean modified Japanese SC2 that popped up on Twitter during the pandemic, so I was vaguely aware that some Saturns did end up abroad. What I didn’t realize was how poorly those cars fared abroad and, when that didn’t work, how GM tried to recoup the money it spent on tooling by pawning off the cars on a special subset of Americans.

Exporting The ‘Import Fighter’

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Any history of Saturn requires the author to mention that GM was convinced it needed a brand to fight the popular imports at the low end of the market. Specifically, GM wanted a fresh start that would allow it to compete with Honda, Nissan, Toyota, and Mitsubishi. While the company had had some luck by teaming up with Toyota to build an Americanized Corolla, that was deemed insufficient.

Saturn was thus born as an affordable brand with dent-resistant plastic doors, lots of character, and a haggle-free dealership approach. The company immediately found a huge following, pumping out cars from its Spring Hill, Tennessee factory. Freed from the baggage of GM, people embraced the idea of Saturn as much as the actual car, which was a completely fine wagon, sedan, or coupe originally built on a single platform.

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GM screwed it up, of course, but not before the brand was feeling itself so much that it tried to export its first models to Japan, as Consumer Guide writes:

Per Saturn president Skip LaFauve, it was time to “…take on the imports in their own territory.”

Moving the metal—in Saturn’s case it would be plastic—in Japan had proven difficult for most American car companies. The Japanese market was difficult to navigate for a number of legal, logistical, and administrative reasons. Plus, Japanese shoppers were famously wary of American-made vehicles.

For some reason, the marketers thought that the idea of Tennessee might be exotic to Japanese consumers and put together this bewildering ad that features a cover of “Close To You” playing over a young man, a young woman, and an older man visiting the factory and taking in the best that Central Tennessee has to offer. Even the brochures had “From Spring Hill, Tennessee” listed as a kind of exotic tagline.

There’s also a bizarro inverted version of this that features Saturn bragging about selling cars in Japan, using Jim Gaffigan as the star:

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I guess the message here was supposed to be: American cars are now so good, even the Japanese market is buying them. Except that wasn’t quite true.

The cars were competitively priced, with the wagon above starting at 1,755,000 yen, which was slightly less than a Honda Orthia (basically, a Civic wagon) at the time. The minor savings weren’t enough to sway buyers, and after four years and only about 4,300 reported sales, the company gave up on trying to break into the country.

That would be the end of the story, except GM decided it needed to recoup its investment somehow.

Maybe Americans Wanted A Wagon With The Wheel On The Wrong Side Of The Car?

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What happened next is possibly another triumph of the famously powerful and infamously shortsighted GM accounting department. Rather than merely eat the investment, Saturn tried to utilize the tooling it had lying around to sell some wagons to Americans and, specifically, to rural mail carriers, as Autoweek points out:

Sales targeting the U.S. Postal Service came to a mild kind of rescue, as Saturn sought to compete in the very narrow niche of providing right-hand drive vehicles to rural route carriers — a demographic catered to almost solely by Subaru and Jeep in the 1990s.

Sales to mail carriers did not salvage the investment that GM made to sell Saturns in Japan, in case you’re wondering, but it did shed some light on a little known fact in motor vehicle legislation: Right-hand drive vehicles were not “banned” from sales in the U.S. They were legal, as long as the cars themselves conformed to DOT and NHTSA requirements. Furthermore, it was not a requirement that they had to be operated by a government agency of some sort. They would also have to be eligible to be sold as used vehicles to new owners.

So the wagon that I saw at the JDM car show this weekend was not, in fact, a Japanese wagon. The owner, who you can see on Instagram as NJ_Saturns, was playing a little trick on passersby with his display.

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“So, despite my advertising. I have lied. This is not a Japanese-market Saturn,” he told me.

Ah ha! It’s a postal Saturn. Although it was never actually used by anyone at the post office. The original owner either got a great deal on the car or decided that a RHD vehicle would be interesting for some reason.

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The conversion is remarkably cheap, which you can see if you start to look at some of the details.

For instance, the firewall intrudes into the passenger footwell, which usually isn’t a big deal because the footwell doesn’t usually have pedals.

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Even more amusing, no one at the factory thought to swap the grab handle from the right side of the car to the left side of the car, so the postal SW2 has one for the driver and not the passenger.

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Much like its Japanese counterparts, the postal carrier vehicles weren’t a huge hit, with somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 built, which is actually more than I’d have guessed, given that they’re so rare.

I love Saturns, so I very much appreciate this car. The idea of owning a car that offers all the hassles of a Japanese market car with almost none of the appeal means it’s only for true Saturn die-hards. Thankfully, there are a few of those left.

Top photo: GM via Saturn Archives

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S13 Sedan
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S13 Sedan
4 days ago

American cars sold officially in Japan has fascinated me for years now. I found a promo VHS tape for the Japanese market Saturn on yahoo auctions a few years ago and I ended up buying it for something like 90 cents USD. Of course that sent me down the rabbit hole of learning how to digitize VHS tapes. Here’s the link if anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DJSqwxyTI

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
4 days ago

OK, I would kill for a RHD Saturn in actual Postal livery, although I suspect none were ever properly kitted out, and had at most a door decal and serial number.

Bassracerx
Bassracerx
5 days ago

this reminds me of how few Xbox consoles Microsoft sells in japan. there was a picture on reddit of the launch day of the Xbox one in tokyo and the store/ kiosk whatever was totally empty.

Church
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Church
5 days ago

Well, now I have a new life goal: owning an RHD Saturn SC2.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
5 days ago

Well, this explains why our mail carrier a few years back alternated between a RHD Jeep XJ and a RHD Saturn wagon – both literally minutes away from dying at any given moment (it was a regular occurance to see either stalled on the side of the road). I hadn’t given much thought to the fact that the Saturn was RHD, as it didn’t seem as significant as the fact that in the 2020s there was a mail carrier delivering mail in two jalopies from the 90s.

I will say, I miss what Saturn started out as. The cars weren’t super nice, but they were good at what they set out to be – affordable, reliable transportation. GM really screwed the brand up with their rebadging efforts.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
5 days ago

“[A]fter four years and only about 4,300 reported sales, the company gave up on trying to break into the country.”
In the 90s I read a lot of British automotive magazines and I remember how gleefully and schadenfreudily they reported that GM had sold a grand total of one (1) Saturn in Japan the first year.
Guessing the other 4,299 sales were in the next three years (with some hefty price discounts)?

That Guy with the Sunbird
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That Guy with the Sunbird
5 days ago

Reminds me of the Toyota Cavalier – the holy grail of the J-Body enthusiast world (there are a few of us).

Christopher Lannoye
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Christopher Lannoye
5 days ago

GM Part Number 22649423 – Toyota emblems in a GM part bag.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
5 days ago

I wonder did Chrysler ever try to sell the first gen Neon in Japan? It seems like the kind of car that might have worked there. Especially in the 90’s when there was a bigger appetite for friendly styling.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
5 days ago

Wikipedia says yes!

HO
HO
5 days ago

They tried selling the Neon in Europe as well. But US cars have the same reputation for build quality as Wartburgs, so that did not last long. US cars seems to be popular here in the same way Zastava is popular with people like JT.

David Radich
David Radich
4 days ago

Yes, they sold them in Australia and New Zealand as well. So we get a double whammy of those hunks of junk, I think New Zealand ended up with all the JDM Chrysler Neons as used imports. I don’t remember the last time I saw one on the road. In fact I think I’ve seen an imported JDM Saturn more recently than a Neon, and you never see the Saturns.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
5 days ago

My mom is still rocking a 2001 SLI sedan she bought new. She loves the car – a lot. I just did a brand new, manifold back exhaust replacement as hers was rotted out. The kit from NAPA was $800, more than the car is worth…. The shiny exhaust stands out nicely from the crusty rust everywhere else. Ok mom!

Jason Roth
Jason Roth
4 days ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

You’re a good, dutiful offspring. I bet they’d love you in Japan, actually.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
4 days ago
Reply to  Jason Roth

As long as I can get cold beer, good burgers and drive a pick up truck then I’m in… Lol

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
5 days ago

One of the first things Ronald Reagan did after he was elected was to get the Japanese to “voluntarily” limit the number of cars they sold in the United States.

So of course what the Japanese did was start all of those expensive sub brands like Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura to keep the dollar value of their exports high.

You know, Ronald Reagan never gets enough credit for kickstarting the Japanese luxury car business in the United States, it’s a terrible oversight.

Oh, and of course, the Japanese manufactures set up all of those American factories so there’s that too.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
5 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

The actor?

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
4 days ago

And who’s vice president? Jerry Lewis?!

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
4 days ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

I suppose Jane Wyman is the first lady?

KevinB
KevinB
5 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Because Japan limited the number of cars imported to the U.S., Detroit raised the prices of their shitboxes.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
5 days ago
Reply to  KevinB

Now that I think about it, Harley-Davidson got a quota on cheap Japanese motorcycles, so the Japanese switched to making expensive sportbikes and heavy cruisers, which nearly killed Harley-Davidson.

In other news, following the tremendous success of prohibition, the war on drugs is what makes illegal drugs so profitable.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
5 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

The coup de grace was Bush puking on the Prime Minister…

Camp Fire
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Camp Fire
5 days ago

At <2000 sold, the SWP is much rarer than I realized. I’ve seen enough of them to assume they sold somewhat well.

Doughnaut
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Doughnaut
5 days ago

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would have kept Saturn around for lots of hybrids and a few EVs. Could have been a perfect Toyota and Subaru fighter that exists today.

Imagine a Vue with a Volt drivetrain (the first gen Vue was great!).

Adam EmmKay8 GTI
Adam EmmKay8 GTI
5 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Gm would GM Saturn the same way today like it GMed it before.

Doughnaut
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Doughnaut
5 days ago

The most GM thing happening right now is that the only hybrid the offer is the E-Ray. They developed the Volt drivetrain–which was damn impressive at the time–and then they killed it all. At no point did they think something like, “Should we put this in an Equinox?”

I mean, I get it, they were going towards EVs, and that wasn’t a horrible decision in itself. But the fact that they killed their hybrid is just bonkers. Especially considering the Volt was first released nearly 15 years ago, and they had some (weak) hybrids before that.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
4 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

I am both a) a Volt fan and b) deeply unserious, but I can’t help but imagine how much fun one could have by MR2-ifying a Volt powertrain (i.e. sticking a FWD powertrain in a mid-engined 2-door).

RallyMech
RallyMech
4 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

GM is notorious for being way ahead of the curve on an idea.
Executing it well enough despite huge teething problems.
Giving up just before the idea gets mainstream.
Scrambling to re-engineer 20 year old work to compete in the segment it created.
Only to end up with an equally mediocre product now 10 years behind the competition.

GreatFallsGreen
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GreatFallsGreen
5 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Nixing Saturn was a quick, easy way to shed dealers. They don’t need a whole other brand for hybrids/EVs, they just needed to actually continue or adapt them to other models, like you said below.

That Guy with the Sunbird
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That Guy with the Sunbird
5 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

I personally think Pontiac could be an awesome, low-volume performance EV brand but we all know that’ll never happen.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
5 days ago

We all know my thoughts on the matter but Pontiac should have just rebadged Holdens until 2017 and really gone out with a bang.

RallyMech
RallyMech
4 days ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

An EV Vue with range extender was actually the Ecocar project at my university while I was in FSAE. Very well might have been a Volt drivetrain. Time frame is correct.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
5 days ago

Matt… the song from the ad is not “Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head”, but rather it is a cover of the Carpenters’ “Close To You”.

In addition to having immigrated here from Zeta Reticuli, I also happen to be a huge fanatic of the Carpenters. They’re still huge on my home planet.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
5 days ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Matt’s on it today, kids!

Data
Data
5 days ago

I absolutely remember these commercials. I always found it odd Saturn was advertising to US customers about selling their car in Japan.

Holley
Holley
5 days ago

There’s a green SWP that’s owned by a prop car place that studios sometimes rent when they need to double a RHD country for cheap: http://imcdb.org/vehicles.php?make=Saturn&model=SWP

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago

S Series cars were pretty competent little things. I’m not surprised the Japanese didn’t buy them though. Why would they? Sure, an S series might be competitive on paper with a similar Japanese offering, but this was when Japan was still selling PEAK bubble era vehicles. Beautifully made, no expenses spared, and produced in their own country. There was never a chance.

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

This, the S Series were good cars, and were very popular in my mid ’90s college years. At the same time, they were very much still not on par with Civic/Corolla/Sentra.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

Absolutely. I’ve owned Japanese products from this era, and currently own GM products of this era. The Japanese stuff was just better in nearly every metric. Don’t get me wrong, I love my 1995 Chevy 3/4 ton, but at least interior wise, it’s pathetic in comparison to the old Subaru’s and Hondas we had.

Adam EmmKay8 GTI
Adam EmmKay8 GTI
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

I bet you it does not weight 0.75 tons. I bet it is way closer to 3 tons

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago

Ehh… 2 tons at most. GMT400’s are lightweights.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

I think it weighed in around 5500lbs? Not bad for the gnarliest 3/4 ton tow machine you could get. 454, full floating rear, 4 wheel drive. Why are they so damn heavy now.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago

god not this again.

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Yes, I did repair work in college (I had a jack and stands, and an equipped tool box. Got paid in cash or beer). The foreign brands were so much easier to work on, they actually took servicing into account in intial engineering. Example – alternator change on a ’86 Corolla. That lower bolt looked like a bear until I saw the corresponding hole in the fender well. A few extenstions and easy peasy. Contrast my ’88 W body that needed 13′ of extension and 2 u joints to change an alternator. All routine maintenace was just so much easier on the Japanese product.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

My experience on that is that some models do maintenance accessibility really well, some do really poorly. V6 Ford Escape (Mazda 626)? Worst alternator change I’ve ever done. GM truck? Easiest. Subaru’s are incredibly easy to pull a motor out of, but some basic maintenance items are a total bear (spark plugs, valve cover gaskets, etc). How about a starter in a Toyota UZ?
I will agree that some brands are better than others, but for a multitude of reasons. My Volt looks particularly nightmarish to work on.

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
4 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

IDK, I think the “Cloud Cars”(Dodge Stratus/Chrysler Cirrus/Plymouth Breeze) took the cake as far as worst maintenance accessibility goes.
To quote the Chrysler Corporation commercials voiced by the late Edward Herrmann:
“Can we enhance performance by moving the battery?”
Performance was actually enhanced-the only problem is that if the battery required replacement then it required jacking up the front of the car (a proper lift is best),removing the driver’s side front wheel and removing the wheel well shroud just to access said bad battery!
Good times!lol

Adam EmmKay8 GTI
Adam EmmKay8 GTI
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

You can see Toyota and Honda cars from the 90s on the road. You can barely see any Saturns, or GMs at all from 90s.
GM only sells cars that are cheaper than a Honda or Toyota. Nobody pays GM more for better car as they do not exist

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago

J body’s were like cockroaches, only rust killed them. That’s not saying they were good cars.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago

That’s not factually correct, or even subjectively correct. Those Honda’s and Subarus I mentioned? They are all toasters. Headgaskets, exploded transmissions, etc. Plus you must not be looking very hard, I live in the PNW, which has a far greater adoption of Japanese cars than most of the country, and the streets are filled with old GM stuff.
GM does a lot of things really well, but at the time, interior design and quality wasn’t one of them. I currently drive a Chevrolet Volt as my commuter, not because it was “cheaper” than the competition, but because it had no proper competition. The Honda Clarity is a hideous joke, and the Prius Prime has only just now started to compete with the range and true “EREV” operation that the Volt offered 10 years ago.

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Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

They were adequate at best. Just much better than other small American cars. The competition in that was just dire.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
5 days ago

The Autopian’s weekly anti-GM article is up guys!

Shocking that there was no mention that even today – in 2025 – the JDM is made up of only 5% foreign brands.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

You should be glad they have the self-control to only show us one of GM’s failures per week. We’d be getting a dozen articles every hour otherwise.

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago

GM is hadly alone. None of the domestics had fully competive in-house offerings. Actually, with Saturn GM tried hardest. Ford just paired with Mazda, Chrysler with Mitsubishi. GM never really learned from it’s Toyota joint venture though.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
5 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

True. I love early Saturns, and GM clearly knows how to make good cars when they feel like it. Their recurring problem is that they have no clue what to do with the good cars once they’ve built them. The only things they know how to successfully market and sell are trucks.

Tbird
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Tbird
5 days ago

I’m helping a friend restore a ’62 Corvair. The design and engineering that went into that product are astounding. It is actually a modern car in many ways, ahead of it’s time. Once I wrenched on it I finally understood why ’70s and ’80s GM was held in such low esteem. They once had the best design and engineering in the world, and cost cut it to nothing.

I’m late Gen-X btw.

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
4 days ago

Another issue they’ve had (literally going back decades) is once they’ve have a good car or brand they kill it!
It’s like they’ve always had “planned obsolescence” on the brain from day one!

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
4 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

GM also paired with Isuzu and Suzuki for the Geo nameplate, not just Toyota. Around the same time GM was exporting Saturns to Japan, it was selling Japanese designed cars built in the US or Canada (Prizm, Metro, Tracker) or Japan (Storm, Spectrum). I wonder if the boats filled with GM Geos ever passed the boats filled with GM Saturns going the opposite way.
IIRC the best-loved engine in a Saturn was the 3.5 Vue Red Line engine made by Honda!

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Marques Dean
Marques Dean
4 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

Seeing a 2008-2011 Focus still makes me smile on occasion.lol

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago

COTD nomination

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
5 days ago

Honda’s CVCC demonstration on a Chevrolet Impala is one of my favourite examples of GM being too proud/stupid for their own good.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Yeah, until you actually examine how the CVCC system actually works… Just google “CVCC Vacuum diagram”. I’ll take a catalytic converter any day over that mess.

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

Correct. You can see which approach won out. We haven’t seen CVCC for decades and cats are universal.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 days ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

Pull your head out of the sand, cats weren’t necessary to meet emissions rules until were significantly further tightened.

Not to mention that Honda’s demonstration yielded more efficient burn (better fuel economy) out of GM’s engine.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
5 days ago

Every company has its failures, but the automotive press seems to only remember those committed by GM and never, ever misses an opportunity to endlessly rehash them. It gets tiring because it ends up creating utter bullshit like the “toyota tax” where some clueless people, even today, think that only Toyota can produce a quality vehicle.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

I don’t get the defensiveness. This is a gigantic mega-corporation we’re talking about that sells hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year, so clearly they’re still doing okay. GM has had innumerable successes, and, as has been discussed, knows how to build good cars. Early Saturns were among their good cars, but they let that company die on the vine. Do you want us to just never discuss that? 90% of the GM criticisms that I hear are directed at their upper-management, who have objectively sucked since the 1970s. Even the most fervent GM fanboy is going to have to admit that.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
5 days ago

Its a general American-bashing trend. I’m not the type that fanboys any company, because at the end of the day, they don’t give a shit about you or I or anyone else, but once you start seeing a general trend it pops out really easily. It shows a laziness amongst writes and is detrimental to fairness. How can an article reviewing X product be fair, if they are always bashing Y? These “journalists” lose any and all credibility.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
4 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Bullshit or not, the Toyota tax is real and measurable. 2010 Toyota Matrix vs. Pontiac Vibe. Same car, built in the same factory, but the average used car price for a Matrix is $8,663 compared to $7,056 for the Vibe.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
4 days ago
Reply to  MAX FRESH OFF

That’s a perfect example of what happens when the automotive press just endlessly hammers on one brand. Those two cars should have no difference in price since they are the same, but by manipulating the public’s image, one if far cheaper.

One example of how these clowns in the media do it is notice how much hate and vitriol GM gets for deciding not to directly support Android Auto or Apple CarPlay in its newest vehicles. Every single review will endlessly hammer them for it, usually overwhelming the rest of the review.
Tesla doesn’t support AA or CP.
Rivian doesn’t support AA or CP.
Lucid doesn’t support AA or CP.
A few other models (usually EVs) also don’t.
You will NEVER hear a similarly long rant about any of those brands for their decision to not support AA of CP.
The bias against GM and legacy American brands is very real. Once you start to notice it, it really starts popping out at you.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Can you blame them?

Japanese cars are usually the best, so no need to import inferior cars. Toyota makes the best cars. Honda is also good.

That’s the exact reason Japanese cars can sell everywhere, but nobody else can be successful there.

Toyota taught GM everything, but they learned NOTHING. Ford’s CEO used to work at Toyota but also learned nothing.

Japan uses the international UNECE standards now, Their car market is free and open. There have even been non-Japanese kei cars.

Yanky Mate
Yanky Mate
5 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

LHD cars are legal to sell in Japan, there’s a concerning amount of Ford Explorers there.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
5 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Thank you for proving my point when I commented to someone else. I stated the problem with endlessly bashing GM is then you get clueless people who don’t know shit that put brands like Toyota on some untouchable pedestal. You’re that clueless person! Congrats.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

My thoughts exactly… more GM bashing.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

I mean, everything in this article is 100% fair. And I don’t even see it as being particularly anti-GM. This is a group of people who absolutely love Saturns (for the most part) including myself. GM did build these cars after all.

But let’s not pretend that GM doesn’t routinely make baffling decisions in the bean-counting/leadership/marketing divisions. The fact that there are so many of these bad decisions well documented that an article can be released and entertain us every week isn’t The Autopian’s fault.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
5 days ago

If every week, we had an article that started off with “remember in 5th grade when TAARGUS TAARGUS shit his pants?” or “TAARGUS TAARGUS is so ugly because this is what he did as a kid” or “When he was 12, TAARGUS TAARGUS stole a comic book” the general public, especially those who don’t know better, will look at the TAARGUS TAARGUS of today differently. The automotive press has it in for GM and they’ve had it in for GM for decades now – I literally used to subscribe to or read ALL (not kidding) the major car mags since the 80s. It gets tiring and is clearly low-effort and lazy. Shows a total lack of the overall automotive history and quite frankly, it WILL affect people’s perception of their products today. That’s just human nature.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

How did you get your hands on my diary???

I get that GM has been an easy target, but they’ve also done themselves few favors. I could write a tremendous list of weird decisions and things that GM has done that actively piss me off. But I also think that they have some tremendous engineering talent that has shown us what the real heart of their company is. I think this site does a pretty good job being honest with that, they even have a segment called “GM Hit or Miss”. And some of them are hits! Hell, this is a site that paraded around an Aztek (one of the most lampooned cars of all time) as a goddamn mascot!

On another note, GM is a big boy (certainly not a 5th grader, and valued at 55 billion or so) and has the power (and the money) to control the narrative if they so chose. They often let it get away from them, and that’s their fault. An analogy using a kid shitting his pants says way more about the company, than it does about the kid.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
5 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Shocking that there was no mention that even today – in 2025 – the JDM is made up of only 5% foreign brands.

Because foreign brands don’t try. Honda and Toyota succeed in the U.S. because they invest in USDM specific models that are only sold here and manufacture locally.

When was the last time Ford, GM, or Chrysler ever did that in Japan? Maybe if the Big Three tried selling kei cars they would see some JDM success. (and no, rebadging Suzuki Solios doesn’t count).

Last edited 5 days ago by Alexander Moore
Hazdazos
Hazdazos
4 days ago

Most brands have tried in the past but their system locked them out. It is FAR bigger than just “let’s build a kei car and we’ll succeed”. The entire Japanese system works against foreigners. There are laws and regulations in place that don’t allow foreigners to, for instance, buy dealer locations or work with local banks or similar things. It has little to do with the product and far more to do with the Japanese bureaucracy that locks out foreigners.

If you believe some nonsense about “American cars aren’t good enough” or “they’re just too big and thirsty”, then why can’t no other foreign brands break into that market either? Korean cars represent 1% of all cars in Japan and they have many small cars for the Korean domestic market. European brands aren’t much better.

And this is not exclusive to cars either. The Japanese market in general is very hard against foreign brands in consumer electronics and all other types of products. Samsung owns about 1/3 of the US phone market. About 1/3 of the European market. About 1/3 of the South American market. In Japan? 6%. Are you going to claim that its because Samsung makes a poor quality phone? No. The JDM is locked down.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
4 days ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Well, because the kei standard doesn’t apply outside Japan, there’s little overseas profit for other companies to try. It’s a shame because the kei standard is quite a well-defined regulatory set that ought to be applied across Asia and even Europe to combat against the bloating of modern cars. Also, you might need to review some history and remember why Korean and Japanese brands don’t really see eye to eye. Might I remind you that Japanese cars sell terribly in Korea, too.

GM owned a notable stake in Suzuki for a long time. They should have kept it if they truly wanted to make it on the JDM. Suzuki had all the ‘accounts’ to comply with ‘local laws and regulations’, and they continue to be one of the biggest kei car companies to date. GM could have just gone all-in on rebodying Suzukis with more American styling and the Japanese market would have loved that. But they were too shortsighted to consider the potential and had to sell off Suzuki in the financial crisis.

Besides, the JDM is small fish in the grand scheme of things, with only around 5 million annual sales to the US’ 16-17. And it all pales in comparison to Mainland China’s 32 million, which is of course the basket that Ford and GM decided to put all their eggs into.

Ward William
Ward William
5 days ago

GM were selling cars to Japan long before this. Holden Australia sold 800 Kingswoods to Japan in the late 70s and they were rebadged as Mazda Roadpacers and had the Wankel 13b engines installed in them.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/media/images/9Tzi8ywRz924XE3uHaD6DfGZQfjEdZd7oKlsiR53VLHvSZExpMzuRmKdwHbkL9PkE9jD6Ulg0E+tYecKms1JSm9fMY1XNPLFAKywFJMnC6NeQPskVeVYoNYNR+q9cGZsb2xp%2FvWZPB0wyydaHJpG56Xq1u08fyitVPxnyafnwCCmcKYHQkd2Gl%2FlpPtdDQ3x?resolution=1240×700

LTDScott
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LTDScott
5 days ago
Reply to  Ward William

Not really the same thing, the Roadpacers were assembled in Japan and badged as Mazdas whereas the Saturns were shipped complete and sold as Saturns.

4jim
4jim
5 days ago

If GM can GM then GM will GM. I wonder if their mild to extreme incompetence is nothing more than the size of the corporation. Ooof. At least this is not a story of a GM product bursting into flame.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago
Reply to  4jim

Show me on the doll where the Chevrolet touched you

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
4 days ago
Reply to  4jim

Does my 2019 Camaro catching fire after throwing a rod count?;)

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago

GM half-assing like always. They’re good at giving 90%

Detroit sees small cars as an afterthought, and Japan saw right through it. Japanese and Euro car companies see them as a core part of the lineup.

They also made the Pontiac Vibe and sold it in Japan as the Toyota Voltz in RHD, but GM was too stupid to sell a RHD Vibe to USDM postal customers.

Jeep still sells RHD Wranglers to this day. They are also available to all, not just postal carriers.

Ottomadiq
Ottomadiq
5 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

90% > half

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago
Reply to  Ottomadiq

still not good enough 😛

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
5 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I’m 90% sure Jeep discontinued them a couple years ago actually. I remember seeing something about that pretty recently.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
5 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Yep, they’re no longer on Jeep’s site.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
5 days ago
Reply to  LTDScott

I was too lazy to look. Thanks for confirming, yeah I am pretty sure 22ish was the last year you could get a factory RHD Wrangler sold here.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
5 days ago
Reply to  LTDScott

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 🙁

Maymar
Maymar
5 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

FWIW, it’s available through at least 2025. I don’t see JLUL74 (Chrysler’s body model code for the RHD variant) as an option to build for 2026, but I’m not sure if that’s discontinuation, or just that it hasn’t been updated yet.

https://www.jeffdambrosio.com/new-Oxford-2025-Jeep-Wrangler-4+Door+Sport+RHD+4×4-1C4PJXKN7SW562264

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
5 days ago
Reply to  Maymar

Interesting. I could have sworn they were discontinued a few years ago, not just recently. Maybe I’m wrong, or it was just paused for a couple months. Now I’m going to have to do some digging to see if I can find what I saw that made me think they were not being made anymore.

Aprtur
Aprtur
5 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Probably paused – I saw a ton of RHD Wranglers in Japan last year, and that seems to be their “in” there, since it’s the Americana play. Now, whether they die off for postal vehicles here in the US, I’m not sure.

SNL-LOL Jr
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SNL-LOL Jr
5 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Half-assing would have been an upgrade, based on my experience with my 1991 S-10 Blazer.

Jason H.
Jason H.
4 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

In the core market served by Japanese and European car companies small cars ARE the core part of the lineup. Likewise in the USA they ARE an afterthought.

US buyers buy cars by the pound – they want the biggest car they can get for their dollar.

V10omous
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V10omous
5 days ago

Rather than merely eat the investment, Saturn tried to utilize the tooling it had lying around to sell some wagons to Americans and, specifically, to rural mail carriers

I’m sure there were very good and valid reasons that they couldn’t try to sell them in the UK or Australia instead.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
5 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

GM already had a presence in Australia and the UK at that time and models that were filling that market segment.

V10omous
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V10omous
5 days ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

Since when has GM ever shied away from competing with itself?

The Saturn division at its core was about disrupting their existing small car business.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
4 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Ha, true at one stage GM had in Australia Holden and Daewoo and then Holden and Opel for about 2 years. Now it is trying to introduce Cadillac and full size trucks. But apart from a Jeep and Chrysler 300 (for a few years) USA cars have never been popular here.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
5 days ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

I’m not sure if Holden sold the Astra wagon in Australia but Vauxhall sure sold a bunch in Britain.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
3 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

We had a few of Astra wagons imported the early 2000’s but they were about quarter of the sales of the hatchback I recall. (and about 20% of what Toyota was selling Corolla wagons although still pretty reasonable cars – some of the best Holdens we received.
We designed and built both the earlier Cavalier wagon / estate here in Australia (shipped the rears to luton I think!) and then later a Cruze wagon here for the Australian market. So GM did have skin in the small wagon game. It was just patchy adding and taking away models from all over the place (Daewoos, Opels, Toyotas, Nissans and Suzukis all became Holdens at some stage) and in the end the Daewoos and Chevys that they were slapping Holden badges where uncompetitive and sealed the fate of Holden and GM here after the company took all the money the Aus government gave them back to the USA and shut up shop. Some of us are still pretty angry about GM doing that. In the end it was uneconomic for parts manufacturing for Ford and Toyota only to build here (although they were both profitable and exporting) so those companies quit manufacturing here as well.

GM are trying to make a comeback with Cadillac and their full size Trucks here and I can tell you now its never going to work.

Last edited 3 days ago by Ford_Timelord
Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
5 days ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

Yet for some reason when they took control of Daewoo they still thought that selling Daewoos as ‘Chevrolets’ in Europe was a good idea. They still owned Opel/Vauxhall at that time.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
3 days ago

I was in Europe a bit when that happened. Way to cheapen your brand. See my long post above for the Australian version of GMs scattershot car lineups.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
2 days ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

Yeah you guys Down Under really got the best of the worst. The Barina debacle was probably the highest profile incident when the excellent Corsa got replaced by the Kalos.

Last edited 2 days ago by Alexander Moore
Phuzz
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Phuzz
5 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

I don’t know about Australia, they have a lot more room there and a history of importing cars form the US, but if the Saturn couldn’t sell in Japan, it wouldn’t have sold any better in the UK.
Plus GM would have had to ship them to literally the other side of the world.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
4 days ago
Reply to  Phuzz

Apart from Jeep (and a few Dodges) which peaked 15 years ago we don’t have a large amount of USA cars in Australia. Probably our mostly euro background and close distance to Asia has made us a very competitive market. We have about 68 brands here fighting it out to sell 1.2million cars total a year.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
5 days ago

Even thought the car photographed is a RHD the brake booster looks like it is still set up still over the LHD rather than over the RHD brake pedal. This can make the brakes a little less than optimum performance.

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
5 days ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

If that’s not Peak GM I don’t know what is.

Dingus
Dingus
5 days ago

I had the misfortune of working at a saturn dealer as my first job out of college. The dealer I worked at was cheap as hell and would NOT advertise. Also, the location was on a steep hill (pittsburgh, natch) at the end of a pointy slice of a difficult intersection, so nobody wanted to make a crazy left turn to come in and we had enough lot room for maybe 10 cars, so it looked like we had no inventory. The result was that foot traffic was impossibly low.

As a way to try and get people in the door, they gave me a giant fat stack of paper service records (who needs a computer?!) and I was told to call every single person who had their car in for service and try to get them to come in to buy a new car. You can imagine how well that worked.

On the upside, I got to see what went wrong with the S-series cars. I can tell you that those things LOVED body control modules. That was far and away the number one thing on those service records. When those would go wrong, door locks would freak out, windows too.

Aside from that, the engines were flawed as the oil passages would often clog and then they’d start burning oil. That’s why most of ’em ended up in junkyards. The only ones you see now have either had meticulous oil changes or some person has gone to a lot of trouble to disassemble the entire engine to correct the issue.

To be fair, even when they were new, they weren’t that great. They moved well enough, but I remember distinctly how loud the transmission was. I also had to drive one to Spring Hill and up and down the mountains it didn’t have a lot of power, and that was the twin cam.

LTDScott
Member
LTDScott
5 days ago

As a fan of both oddball JDM cars (I drove 20 minutes out of my way while on vacation in Christchurch, NZ to take a photo of a Toyota Cavalier I saw the day before) and Jim Gaffigan I’m surprised this is the first time I’ve seen that RHD Saturn ad.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
5 days ago

This era of Saturn doesn’t get enough love. I’ve seen a few of these last a lot longer than any other GM product built around the same time.

A friend of mine only got rid of hers recently, and it was probably a 97ish vintage, and everything still worked in it.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
5 days ago

The only 90’s GM products that you still see around here are the occasional GMT400, and Saturns. Yeah a lot of Saturns are crusty underneath, but those plastic panels do a hell of a lot of work in the northeast for keeping a car relatively presentable. All the comparable (and utter shit) Cavaliers and such from that era were junked a decade or more ago.

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago

We have a lot of 90’s GM products still on the road here in the PNW (including my GMT400). I think what killed a lot of their regular offerings is that the cars don’t really hold their value compared to a Toyota or a Honda (rightfully or not, the fact remains), so even a somewhat minor repair was enough for the owner to junk the car. Buicks with the same drivetrain don’t seem to suffer the same fate as much, I think mostly because their older drivers were willing to pay for the repairs rather than purchase a whole new car.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
5 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

I think a lot of the reason why 90’s GM products didn’t make it as long around here as the comparable Toyota/Honda had a lot to do with the quality of the interiors. My parent’s Camry with 250k on it looked brand new inside; the quality of those bubble era Toyotas was unmatched. Repairing a 90’s Camry meant after the repair, you still had a car that you didn’t really have a good reason to get rid of. The equivalent Malibu was a rattle trap by that point, with all sort of weird maladies that got handed down or sold to a teenage to destroy after a short time.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
5 days ago

GMT400s
Saturn S-Series derivatives (no other models)
3800 series II powered… whatever

Jatkat
Jatkat
5 days ago

S10’s (and their derivatives), Astros, G-Series Vans, J-Cars (somehow), and A-Bodys are all pretty common sights here.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
4 days ago
Reply to  Jatkat

I agree with all the above, except (for my region) I don’t see J-cars around anymore.

Clear_prop
Member
Clear_prop
5 days ago

I junked my 1996 SL1 that I bought new last year when the head gasket failed and it also failed smog since it was also burning a quart every <500mi.

I also have a 1997 SL2 that was my sister’s college car that my dad gave to my kids to learn to drive on, and then their mother gave them better cars when they got their licenses.

They’re reliable little boxes.

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