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Here’s Everything You Need To Know About Germany’s Autobahn, Which Is Overrated

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The Autopian has just been featured on a fantastic news report by CNBC. The video dives into Germany’s fascinating highway system known as the Autobahn — a glass-smooth system of roads with sections that have no top speed restriction. The only road of its kind on earth, the Autobahn has become legendary among auto enthusiasts, but I contend that it’s a bit overrated. Let’s dive into it.

In large part, I’m writing this because I want to show off some of the love The Autopian has been getting. A few months ago I was on Fox News, then I was in the New York Times, and now I’m on CNBC (plus Matt was on A More Perfect Union and Thomas was on NPR) — all thanks to you, dear readers, for helping turn this place from a boutique outlet into a real automotive publication.

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I’m also sharing this to support Robert Ferris, the journalist who reached out to me about his piece on the Autobahn, because I think he did a bang-up job. See for yourself:

The piece starts with a bit history, noting that the Autobahn started before World War II, but really grew during the war not to transport troops and equipment as most people think, but largely as a bit of propaganda. Indeed, few Germans even had cars back in the 1930s and 1940s, as Ferris notes. “The Autobahn’s real potential was as propaganda,” he says.

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“They wanted to build sort of a futuristic mega-project — something that would lend itself to talking about the regime as a modern, forward looking regime,” University of Maryland Professor of History Thomas Zeller mentions in the piece.

Though there was a speed limit during World War II to keep fuel use down, and though that speed limit stuck around after the war (by which time 2,500 miles of the “Bundesautobahn” had been built), in 1952 things changed. “There’s this bizarre Cold War moment when German lawmakers argue that being a free citizen — someone who is not living in a totalitarian dictatorship — has to be able to drive as fast as the want,” Zeller says.

In fact, the repot says that in 1952 Parliament ditched all speed limits throughout Germany; this went about as well as you expect. It was a shitshow, especially in towns, which is why the decision was quickly reversed — at least, everywhere except on Autobahns.

The real growth of the Autobahn — which translates to “auto rail” — happened in the 1960s to the 1980s, when West Germany became an affluent, consumer-based consumer-society. This is when people started owning cars, and today, Germany’s Autobahn is over 8000 miles long.

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Not all of it is unregulated; 40% has some kind of regulation, with much of that regulation being dynamic (i.e. varying based on conditions). There is still a “recommended speed limit” — called the “Richtgeschwindigkeit” — of abut 130 kMh (81 mph). This is basically the speed above which, if you get into a crash, you may face some amount of liability (i.e. you might have to pay for a percentage of repairs if you crash while doing 180 kMh).

CNBC’s Robert Ferris even reached out to Mercedes’ Director of Chassis systems, who provided some very German Engineer-y commentary about how vehicles are developed to handle the Autobahn, specifically in terms of energy use. He mentions that drag goes up with the square of velocity, which is why at high speeds, aerodynamic design is critical. He also notes that the Autobahn is not a video game — a car should offer “Relaxed cruising” at these high speeds.

Much of the video talks about why other countries, like the U.S., don’t offer an unrestricted freeway. There’s mention of Germany’s absurdly well-maintained roads (which are often under construction), Germany’s strict licensing requirements (you have to be 18 to get a license and you have to pass expensive and rigorous tests), Germany’s strict lane discipline (no passing on the right!), Germany’s tough vehicle inspection system (TÜV — see below), the fact that Germans don’t drive nearly as much as Americans (they have great public transportation), and on and on.

Finally, the report mentions the controversy in Germany about whether to keep the unrestricted Autobahn or to impose a speed limit. There’s great input by my friend Andreas Jüngling, who notes that fuel use won’t really drop that far if you impose a 130 kMh limit. Ferris cites statistics showing that most of Germany’s roadway fatalities actually happen on rural roads and not major Autobahns, and he notes that Germany’s Autobahn has a better safety record than highways in other European nations.

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Personally, I am a fam of the unrestricted Autobahn because it’s become a part of the fabric of Germany’s culture. It’s truly unique, and the arguments for adding a speed limit all seem thin in my opinion. With that said, even without restrictions, The Autobahn isn’t the car enthusiast’s playground that many Americans think it is. I’ll quote GQ Magazine, who quotes my article from Jalopnik:

While Americans often envision the Autobahn as a free-for-all, increasing traffic levels have created congestion seriously contradicts that picture. “The highway system over there is not the car enthusiast’s mecca,” David Tracy wrote in Jalopnik in September 2017. He points to significant traffic, especially on east-west routes. Plus, he points to Germany’s—in many ways laudable—program of highway maintenance. “It’s not really that surprising, if you think about it,” he said. “On a road that allows people to travel however fast they want, tolerance for potholes or large cracks is nonexistent—the asphalt has to be as smooth as glass.” But, he explained, “high standards for road quality come at the cost of more frequent construction. And based on my experience, ‘more frequent’ seems to mean ‘endless.’”

I cannot get over the fact that I, of all people, was quoted in a mens’ fashion magazine. This guy!:

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Anyway, I’m not saying the Autobahn isn’t amazing, because it is. No, when I say it’s overrated, I’m saying it’s not the high-speed paradise that the average American thinks it is. Half the time, you’re stuck behind two big trucks doing “Elefantenrennen” (elephant racing — this is the German term for a truck trying to pass another truck), and when you’re not, and you are blasting 150 mph in the left lane, you better be careful. All too often a VW Polo — thinking it’s absolutely blasting down the Autobahn at 85 MPH in fifth gear with the engine screaming to 4,000 RPM — goes to pass a truck doing only 65 MPH, and they don’t look to see who’s coming in the left lane.

Before you know it, you’re hard on your brakes trying not to smash the Polo’s rear hatch. Between this and the constant construction and the traffic, it’s clear that the Autobahn isn’t what most Americans want it to be.

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Still, I’ll end with the final line in the CNBC piece: “It is not a racetrack, but every now and then, the right stretch of the Autobahn, the right time of day, and the right car, you can reach automotive nirvana.”

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MikeInTheWoods
MikeInTheWoods
2 months ago

I was in my German car and accidentally found out what a good “relaxed crusier” it was. My instrument cluster had died on my 1995 GTI VR6 on a road trip. On the way home we got on I-25 in Las Cruces NM and drove towards Denver. Somehow we made it to Albuquerque in 1hr, 45 minutes. It’s a 3hr drive. Apparently at night when passing cars at a reasonable clip, I managed to average about 125mph. Ironically we passed through Truth Or Consequences NM on the way. I never saw a cop and I actually had no idea of my speed. That VR6 was in its groove and just sailed along. I guess that’s my personal Autobahn.

Bruno Hache
Bruno Hache
2 months ago

So, from what I gather from this article is that it’s not fahren, fahren, fahren Auf der autobahn?

Ninefeet
Ninefeet
1 month ago
Reply to  Bruno Hache

got it…

Marc Smith
Marc Smith
2 months ago

The best road that I have ever driven on, I-684, between Harrison, NY at the southern end, and Brewster, NY at the nothern end, is a better road than the Autobahn. But the politcians there impose a 65 MPH speed limit.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  Marc Smith

Would you prefer those politicians change that to the default NY highway speed limit of 55 mph?

“The highest posted speed limit in New York is 65 mph (105 km/h), found only on limited-access freeways (including some state highways, most of the New York State Thruway and select Interstate Highways). The default speed limit, posted as the “State Speed Limit”, is 55 mph, which is in effect unless otherwise posted or in the absence of speed limit signs.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction

Ronan McGrath
Ronan McGrath
2 months ago

I have driven many fast cars on the autobahn over decades. Of course you drive to the conditions and in some cases this is quite a slow speed.

Travelling very quickly is quite possible in low density areas, ( I know a few of them) and in the right circumstances 300 km/h is certainly doable and one one occasion I hit 337 km/h in tandem with another identical car.

This is not typical I would add but it is very common to run 160-180 km/h. I was in Germany in September and had a rented Volvo XC90 which has a 160m/h limit and I was passed numerous times on the autobahn, thought naturally I stayed well out of the way.

I certainly do not think the autobahn is overrated except for those who think there is no traffic on it. When traffic slows down it can happen quite quickly in my experience, though German drivers generally put on their flashers if there is a slowdown. You certainly need to look well into the distance if you are at a higher speed.

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
2 months ago
Reply to  Ronan McGrath

What car(s) were you driving above 300kph?

Ronan McGrath
Ronan McGrath
2 months ago
Reply to  Harvey Spork

Varied-mainly some Porsche GT3RS , but there is a YT video I did years ago in a delimited BMW M6 V10 I had just picked up at the factory- just search Ronan M6 and it will show up. The RSs will not go too far over 300 due to aero drag.

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
2 months ago
Reply to  Ronan McGrath

Damn!

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 months ago

I’ve never driven on the Autobahn. I have driven on the Autostrade/Autostrada in Italy and Autoroute in France. Unfortunately, in fairly pedestrian vehicles. First time in Italy in the late 80s in a Fiat Ducato diesel van with a 5M on the column; second time in a turbodiesel Fiat Croma Estate (which was a car I would have bought and shipped to the States, had it been possible) and in France in a Peugeot 307.

I was under the impression that there were stretches in Italy that also had no speed limits while I was in the Ducato, but that was a long time ago and I wouldn’t bet my memory on that. What I do remember clearly is that the cars that blasted past me then were not Ferraris and Lambos. Big black Audis, Volvos and S-Class sedans.

In France, I remember paying a lot in tolls. But in all cases, the roads were remarkably smooth.

In Texas, there’s a toll road between San Antonio and Austin with an 85 mph (136 km/h) limit. I drove it once and it comes across as more of a suggestion that is not heavily enforced. Much like speed limits on the freeways around Houston.

I have heard rumors of similar velocities in Montana and at least one of the Dakotas. But I doubt the roads are in the same condition.

WR250R
WR250R
2 months ago

I’ve always seen fascination with the autobahn as a bit perplexing. ‘Oh man they don’t have a speed limit dude you can get to other cities so fast!’ Well yeah I guess so but Germany is what, 300 miles wide? 350 maybe? I’m a Midwesterner so I may be biased but we will literally drive 200+ miles to hang out with a friend for a few hours then drive home in the same day. At 70-80 miles per hour.. So I just don’t get why it’s such a big deal

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
2 months ago
Reply to  WR250R

450 miles wide, 625 miles long, according to Google.

People in Europe also drive large distances, (I’ve driven England to Germany for a weekend, and frequently do a 1000 mile round trip to see family without leaving the UK) and it’s the contrast between say, the French roads where speed enforcement is rigorous and then suddenly being able to go three times faster that makes the autobahn stand out.

Although I’ve always stopped accelerating at a comfortable 120mph, I’m not in a hurry.

EricTheViking
EricTheViking
2 months ago

Living in Germany and driving on the Autobahnen many times, I would like to dispute some of the statements…

“a glass-smooth system”

No, you haven’t driven on the Autobahn A83 between Regensburg and A9. The surface is so bad that many sections have Straßenschade signage and 100–120 km/h limit.

“which translates to “auto rail”

Bahn has about sixteen definitions that aren’t related to “rail”. Bahn can also mean “way”, “path”, “lane”, etc.

“kMh”

Never seen this weird way of typing “kilometre per hour”, which is usually written as km/h. “M” usually denotes “mega-“. David, you’re engineer so that should be obvious to you…

“Germany’s strict lane discipline (no passing on the right!)”

Hahahaha. More and more Germans have given up on the left-lane bandits who refuse to move to the right. They start to pass those entitled arseholes (usually the ones from other European countries) on the right. On the six-lane Autobahnen, too many drivers cruise on the middle lanes eternally even if there’s no traffic on the right lanes. They don’t move to the right. Some of the entitled leftists, socialists, and environmentalist members would “veer” onto the left lane just to piss us off and force us to brake hard.

Case in point: In 2009, I drove a Bentley at 175 mph on A9: the weather was perfect, and the traffic was very light. One driver on the middle lane quickly decided he wanted to veer onto the left lane even though there was no traffic ahead of him on the middle lane or even on the right lane. I braked so hard from 175 to 70 mph. Thankfully, Bentley had the powerful brakes, and I had quick reactions. I had dashcam in my car, filming the whole thing. I moved the camera to the right as to film the driver’s face as I passed him. I registered the complaint with the police department, citing the driver’s intention to cause harm or death. This driver had his driver’s licence suspended for a year and was ordered to pay €7,000 penalty. He would have to undertake the Medizinisch-Psychologische Untersuchung (MPU) to see whether he was still fit to drive again. MPU is one of the most difficult evaluations to pass and caused some drivers to suffer nervous breakdowns.

The holiday travel is nothing but anarchy, especially on A9 from Nuremberg to Munich, when lot of Belgians, Danes, Dutch flock to the mountains in the south for skiing and give a finger at the German driving disciplines. It was so bad that I vowed not to drive on Saturday mornings from Nuremberg to Munich ever since.

“that fuel use won’t really drop that far if you impose a 130 kMh (sic) limit”

Andreas is correct. Die Grünen, the most vile and pathologically lying political party, claimed in 1983 or thereabout that 100 km/h speed limit would reduce the pollution by 90%. So, the federal government embarked on nine-month study that cost millions of Deutsche Mark, using various types of vehicles on various stretches of the Autobahnen under various weather and such. The result was only 1, yes, one, per cent reduction: the government refused to impose the national speed limit. That is why I despise Die Grünen to this day.

“you’re stuck behind two big trucks doing “Elefantenrennen””

This happens often on four-lane Autobahnen, not on the Autobahnen with six or more lanes.

“Germany’s Autobahn has a better safety record than highways in other European nations.”

Interestingly, the Landesstraße (state roads) with 80–120 km/h speed limit have more accidents than Autobahnen without speed limit.

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
2 months ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

I would suggest stripping EricTheViking of any driving privileges they may currently hold, as they are obviously not fit to drive on public roads in Germany (or elsewhere, for that matter).
BTW a consistent majority of Germans is in favour (and has been for a while) of a general speed limit of 130 km/h (or 81 mph in slavery units), and the reason why this is not going to save a lot of fuel is that almost no-one is going faster than that anyway.
The days of people constantly flying by at break-neck speeds are largely over. Yes, you see the occasional person fly by with an obvious need to compensate in the length department of a different kind, but it doesn’t happen much anymore.
And the Greens are the only major political party in Germany that has any clue of what Germany, and the world, needs.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

“And the Greens are the only major political party in Germany that has any clue of what Germany, and the world, needs.”

Abandoning nuclear energy for more coal isn’t green or any clue of what Germany, and the world, needs.

https://www.cjfp.org/for-germanys-green-party-the-50-year-dream-to-end-nuclear-power-ends-in-a-nightmare/

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
2 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

In fact, parts of Europe abandoning nuclear for coal is one of the major reasons that Russia is able to finance its war in the first place

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

Is that so? I thought it was sales revenue from a Lada Nivas…

Yeah, I’ll see myself out.

Dan Bee
Dan Bee
2 months ago
Reply to  EricTheViking

Lived in Germany for five years. Agree with this.

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
2 months ago

“Bahn” doesn’t mean “rail”. A rail (the sort that a railway runs on) is a “Schiene”, and a pair of them (a railway track) is a “Gleis”. A better translation of “Bahn” is actually “track”. The “track” in “track and field” is also “Bahn” in German.

Oafer Foxache
Oafer Foxache
2 months ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

Your wisdom in this matter suggests that you might be a… ahem… a bahn-owl 🙂

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
2 months ago
Reply to  Oafer Foxache

🙂 Actually, I am a native speaker of German with a good command of English, that is all.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago
Reply to  Martin Ibert

Do you like to watch Sprockets?

Sorry, it’s early still for the brain functioning. (just wanted to wish you a good weekend.) Herr Ibert.

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
2 months ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

Nope, no idea what “Sprockets” is. And you are welcome to address me by my first name.

BenCars
BenCars
2 months ago

Just the idea of being trusted to go unlimited speed makes it brilliant, IMO.

Frank Smith
Frank Smith
2 months ago
Reply to  BenCars

That trust is earned. Getting a driver’s license in Germany requires skills and study.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank Smith

And about $3,000

Frank Smith
Frank Smith
2 months ago

“ of abut 130 kMh”

What’s a kilometer-hour?

Lost on the Nürburgring
Lost on the Nürburgring
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank Smith

It’s like a liter-o-cola.

Goblin
Goblin
2 months ago

This is such a pretentious title and bag of bs
Everything I need to know ? Really ?

A highway with no speed limits is a highway with no speed limits – all other things being equal.

Germany has enough autobahns to find a stretch when you feel like it. The rest of the time, you commute on it at a speed appropriate to the traffic conditions, which can be anything up to triple digits.

And most important – when a section is not suited for high speeds – they put a speed limit on it, and drivers actually respect that limit, because they know it’s there for a reason.

German cars (at least the ones sold in the US) wouldn’t be what they are today if they didn’t have to account with owners driving them at insane speeds for close to 60 years. You can go that way, or end up with 300hp cars with speed governors and 12″ front brake rotors because they never needed more. Big help for progress, that.

Detroit Lightning
Detroit Lightning
2 months ago

The one time I got to drive on the autobahn, it was mostly gridlocked and slow as hell. I’ll never get over this.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago

Fascinating but several caveats. I wouldn’t trust myself over 125 mph so I damn sure wouldn’t trust random drivers going faster. I would have paid big money to have Sabina Schmidt take me around the ring but unfortunately she past away in a high speed accident. If she can’t handle it I doubt Greta and Hans can. I think the big issue is they sell glasses of beer by the gallon and exits are far apart. I wonder if a guy needing to pee is a great driver. I used to live in Houston they have 6 lanes wide but ignorant drivers stay in the first two lanes if you go out into other lanes you can fly but getting back into the lanes to exit is hard

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
2 months ago

 I would have paid big money to have Sabina Schmidt take me around the ring but unfortunately she past away in a high speed accident. If she can’t handle it I doubt Greta and Hans can.

You mean Sabine Schmitz? She died of cancer, not a car crash…

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago

And yet another thing I find myself misinformed about. Thanks for the correction

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 months ago

Her passing made me so sad. Incredibly sad. She might have preferred to go out in a crash and not the way she did.

The stuff she did vs. Clarkson on Top Gear was pure gold. What an infectious joyfulness she exuded! I would have much rathered to have a beer with her than him.

There was a lot of fakery in that show, but she came across as her real self and not an actor. Flinging a Ford Transit around the ‘ring and laughing most of the way. What a spirit.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago

I remember that episode,she admitted fear of the van flipping but God she never let up. From the many episodes of TG she was on I think she had a great relationship with Clarkson they seemed genuinely fond of each other and Clarkson was surprisingly deferential to her as a far better driver.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
2 months ago

Yes. I grew tired of Clarkson and Hammond and by the end, even the caricature played by James May was just too much. Sabine’s appearances were a breath of fresh air.

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers
2 months ago

I used to live near Nijmegen, just on the German side of the border (where the Rhein goes into the Netherlands). We would drive our fairly new Golf down to near Frankfurt frequently to visit my wife’s parents. About 4 hours on the Autobahn (which I contend does not exactly translate into Auto Rail, Bahn being a word which generically means some kind of path, not specifically rail. My German wife concurs). Basically, there are stretches where you can let loose, and lots of times when you have to slow down to 80 or 60 kmh. And for the love life, stay out of the left lane! And for the time you do spend there, WATCH YOUR BACK. No matter how fast you are going (thought 180 kmh was fast? think again!), there will always be some old guy in a suit driving a brand new 500 series Mercedes or big BMW, (they often travel in packs), who come onto your tail as if you are standing still, no matter how fast you are going. They will tailgate you and flash their lights (drängeln, it’s illegal, and the fine can be a couple thousand euro). Somehow, there is often a Ford Transit in the pack. Also, trucks are limited to 90 kmh (about 56 mph).

Sbzr
Sbzr
2 months ago

I understand for the size and density of cities and money they are unique in this but no tolls is AMAZING and underrated side of Autobahns, I don’t care at all at the speeds

YeahNo
YeahNo
2 months ago

There is something to be said for running top-gear WOT for 15-20 minute pulls. In a rental.

GFunk
GFunk
2 months ago

I’ve driven my share of early-90’s Mercedes and can very much confirm that they hunker down around 100mph and just suddenly feel like an entirely different car. It’s a tough one to explain – the Germans engineered something into the chassis that makes them so easy to drive at higher speeds than my parents ever needed to know about.

I’ve driven the autobahn on a couple of trips and it is pretty much as described by David. Open stretches are pretty amazing, but the trucks and traffic and construction take the wind out of your sails more often than you want them to. Getting stuck with the Opel version of the old Chevy Trax as a rental car doesn’t help either, although that thing was more solid at 95+ than I ever would have imagined.

Danny Zabolotny
Danny Zabolotny
2 months ago

I would like to drive the Autobahn just to feel what it’s like to do sustained triple-digit speeds without the ever-present threat of a very expensive ticket. I’m already used to being on edge when doing high speeds since the roads in the US aren’t amazing and there are a lot of idiots on the road driving unpredictably, so being in a place where people follow the rules *and* you can drive fast when conditions allow, that’s pretty cool.

Hoser68
Hoser68
2 months ago

I’ve driven the Autobahn a couple times over the years. It is a blast.

But it lies.

Just now, I looked up the driving distance and time from Frankfurt to Berlin. 550 km, 4.5 hours. With current traffic (around midnight locally), it says you can average 122 kph for the trip. And here are the lies you will fall into:

  1. 122 kph? I’m going to rent a powerful car that can go 250 kph and half that time!
  2. Surely, I can average more like 130+ and be closer to 4 hours. and I can drive 4 hours in a single stint all the time.

Why these are lies:

  1. Speed limits do exist. As does traffic. 200 kph is doable at times for a stretch, but over that is exceedingly rare and never for long.
  2. It’s exhausting to drive at speed on the autobahn. Constantly going left to pass, right to let others go by. You have to be on your A-game almost constantly. Again, there are occasional empty stretches where you can relax and really build up some speed, but they aren’t everywhere.

I would think that on a typical autobahn on the weekend, 140-160 kph on average is doable. On a weekday when the trucks are out, more like 110-130 kph. But whatever you can do for a typical driving stint in the US, half it.

With twice as many rest stops to unwind and not dramatically higher speed averages, I think you can do more miles in a day on the Eisenhower network than the Autobahn.

But I would MUCH rather drive the Autobahn. People following the rules, driving cars that are inspected? Yes please.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago
Reply to  Hoser68

The problem in the US is cities want more exits so residents come on and get off 1 exit later. True highways should have 1 exit per city 2 at the most but at places the locals don’t want to go.

Hoser68
Hoser68
1 month ago

It’s the sprawl that makes a difference.

Drive down I-75 towards Atlanta. It will be pretty open until you get near Marrietta. There are 5 exits from what I can tell for Marrietta, which is a major suburb for Atlanta.

Now drive down the A3 towards the airport from the east. There will be an exit towards Offenbach, which is basically Frankfurt that has crossed over the Maine river.

Marrietta has 61 square km and has 60,000 residents. Offenbach has 45 sq km and has 135,000 residents.

Now let’s talk about transit. Starting with light rail. If you connect Marrietta to light rail, you need 1.5 times as many stations to keep people walking distance from the station as Offenbach. But since you are supporting half as many residents, this means the traffic at each station is 1/3rd as much. The economics for subways and light rail just don’t work that well.

The end result is Marrietta has 5 exits from I-75 and Offenbach has 1 from the A-3 (basically a branch the A-661). Offenbach has a U-bahn station, Marrietta does not have a Marta station.

Bio Bucht
Bio Bucht
2 months ago

Germany has great public transport? Is this the same Germany I know we’re talking about here?
Sure, maybe it’s better than whatever is non existant in the americas. But compared to France, Italy, Austria, Switzerland(!), etc. it’s a sad mess.

Villeneuve27
Villeneuve27
2 months ago
Reply to  Bio Bucht

True. DB has become a running joke, Amtrak-level punctuality and reliability.

Hoser68
Hoser68
1 month ago
Reply to  Bio Bucht

Compared to America, it’s dramatically different. I spent time in Erlangen, Germany (you can likely guess who I was working for at the time now). Less than 120k people live there. There’s a train station in the Zentrum with a large parking garage next to it. I could have parked a car there and ridden almost anywhere in Europe from that town in the middle of Bavaria.

I ended up in Chattanooga, TN (160k residents). Famous for the Song about Trains. Guess where the nearest train station is? Over 100 miles away.

So, I was around a 2 hour drive to a train that could take me a couple places in the US.

Mr E
Mr E
2 months ago

I’ll gladly forego unlimited speed for better lane discipline (actually, any lane discipline at all) here in Northern NJ. There’s too much ego on American roads.

Mattio
Mattio
2 months ago
Reply to  Mr E

If I could be a cop that enforced lane discipline, minimum safe speeds, and predictable driving only, I’d consider signing up.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
2 months ago
Reply to  Mattio

I live in a city that grew up in the 2nd half of the 20th century so the way it’s laid out revolves around the car as the primary mode of transportation. Lately city leaders have been trying to make the city “walkable” and “bikeable” with little success and to the detriment of traffic flow. Like many cities we have a ring road and, while a good portion of it is limited access highway, a significant section has many traffic lights, crossing surface streets and entrances to businesses. This section is always congested and the city has, for years, been seeking input from the public on what to do about it. Up to about ten years ago traffic flowed smoothly through this section with very little congestion, so what happened? First, they changed the speed limits on some surface streets without adjusting the light timing that used to present green lights to anyone doing the speed limit, but don’t sync up at the new speed limit. But worse than that, too many drivers can’t stop staring at their phones so they sit at green lights until they look up to notice it’s changed or the person behind them honks the horn. Lights that once allowed all the traffic that amassed behind them through in every cycle are now perpetually congested because people take so long to set their phones down and get going. These people are the problem and every one of them should be ticketed. Strict impedance of traffic laws need to be instituted.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago
Reply to  Rusty S Trusty

And those fuckers are always in the first position at the lights.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
2 months ago

The streets of America and probably the world are a neverending battle between the two great road going nuisances, bullshitters and people in a big hurry.

Hoser68
Hoser68
1 month ago
Reply to  Rusty S Trusty

Where I live, if you move as soon as the light turns green, you are going to die. It’s not uncommon to find crossing traffic running the red lights AFTER you get a yellow. I missed a green light once waiting for red light runners.

Now when I go to a normal city I get honked at constantly for not leaving the instant the light turns green.

If the cops cracked down on red-light running, they could likely come close to balancing the national debt from my town alone.

Only, I’ve never seen a cop enforce it. But I’ve seen a TON of cop cars run red lights without their tones and bars.

Mr E
Mr E
2 months ago
Reply to  Mattio

Right there with you!

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago
Reply to  Mattio

Let me know I’ll be a reference for you

Matti Sillanpää
Matti Sillanpää
2 months ago

Been there few times, and do not quite see the fuss. I mean it’s just going fast on motorway. Whooppidoo. I would take good b-road any day. Not to mention I’ve had so much more fun going on sideways on gravel with motorcycle or going downhill with mtb.

Dug Deep
Dug Deep
2 months ago

Yep, get your adrenaline elsewhere and keep strangers alive.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
2 months ago

I’ve driven the Autobahn a few times, always in unsuitable vehicles. The worst was a van with a 110km/h restrictor. Every other car I drove there I wound up to 100 just to see how bad it was and then settled for 85-90.

You do have to be paying attention all of the time, especially when moving out to pass other vehicles at those kinds of speeds – and the key thing is adjusting how far up and down the road you need to look, since a car travelling 100mph faster than you closes distance pretty quickly.

Droid
Droid
2 months ago

local sales guy drove me from munich to stuttgart in W144 MB S-class V12 on autobahn.
he kept his left turn directional on the whole way – get out the way bitch!
lane discipline is a thing.
so’s that v12 – he punched it whenever the left hand lane opened up, acceleration from 100mph was much better than my sheetbox from a stop.

Paul B
Paul B
2 months ago

I was German company here in Montreal. At one point, we had a team from Germany on site that drove to Toronto to visit a supplier.

When they were back, one of them said: Yes, it’s slower, but a lot less nerve-wracking* when most if the traffic is going about the same speed. Though, he did say seeing trucks going 110-120 km/h (this was before speed limiter rules) was as eye opener.

asterisk: they were not impressed with the drivers on the 401 in the Toronto area (they were driving through to Mississauga).

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul B

The drivers on 401 are psycho.

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