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Honda Is Doing The Unthinkable: Designing A New Engine In 2025

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It feels like just five years ago, most people—including myself—suspected the world might never see a new gas engine for passenger cars again. Many automakers, preparing for the dawn of EV-only mandates from governments around the globe, had concrete plans to sunset their internal combustion powertrains for good and replace them with battery packs.

Of course, that hasn’t happened. A slowing demand for electric vehicles in the U.S.—one of the world’s hottest markets—due in part to the US government’s disappearing federal tax credit, means that automakers are taking a hard look at their 10-year plans and making some seismic changes, with most pivoting to hybrids.

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Hybrids obviously still need ICEs to work, which means the gas engine has, for now, been spared. But the hunt for better emissions and fuel economy never stops, which means automakers won’t just keep using existing powertrains—they’ll improve what they have, and even come out with new engines.

Honda Is Leading The Charge

Earlier in the decade, Honda was among the earliest of the big Japanese automakers to set out on a path to mainstream EV production. It teamed up with General Motors to build cars on that company’s Ultium platform, and wanted to work with GM on cheaper co-developed architectures for the near future. Last year, it even revealed plans to develop an innovative solid-state battery.

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Source: Sam Abuelsamid

Seeing as how automakers are losing any real incentive to build more EVs, Honda can’t put all of its eggs in that basket. Instead, it’s diversifying and expanding into the enlarging hybrid market. It said as much in a product announcement published earlier today:

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As market demand for [hybrid-electric vehicle] models continues to grow, Honda positions its HEV models, especially the next-generation models scheduled to go on sale in 2027 and beyond, as a core group of products which will play key role during the transitional period leading up to the full-fledged popularization of HEVs.

Especially in the North American market, which will be the main market for HEV models, there will continue to be solid demand for large-size HEVs.

Honda announced plans to design a new hybrid powertrain to replace the aging gas-only 3.5-liter V6 found in the current Odyssey, Passport, Pilot, and Ridgeline back in May. Today, the company finally released more details. While I expected Honda to downsize to a four-cylinder engine, it didn’t. Instead, we’re getting a new V6 to power the system. That’s right, a new V6 in the year of our lord, 2025. Incredible.

But Why, Honda? Why?

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Source: Sam Abuelsamid

Just how “new” is this V6? Honda is pretty light on the details, saying only that it’s “newly developed” in its release, and claiming a 30% bump in efficiency over the current gas V6, which achieves just 20 to 22 mpg combined, depending on the model it’s powering. Our man Sam Abuelsamid was on the ground in Tokyo for all of this Honda news, and according to him, it’s just a heavily reworked version of the current motor. From his article:

It’s essentially the same latest-generation dual-overhead cam 3.5-liter V6 found on the current Pilot and Passport, but it will be running on an Atkinson cycle (late intake valve closing) rather than the Otto cycle used for the current production engine. That means it will be significantly more efficient but have less torque and probably less than the current 285 hp, although the electric motors will more than make up for that.

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Source: Honda

The question remains: Why not downsize? Toyota’s moved in the direction of four-cylinders for the vehicles in this segment, with cars like the 4Runner and its iForce Max powertrain making a healthy 326 horsepower and 465 lb-ft of torque. In this case, it seems like Honda simply wants more towing and performance capability than a four-cylinder can provide. From its announcement:

Honda is developing a next-generation hybrid system featuring powerful driving performance and high towing capacity, as well as outstanding environmental performance, befitting large-size HEVs in the D-segment and larger[.]

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Aiming to deliver a powerful yet high-quality driving experience befitting the large-size HEV segment, Honda will strive to improve the full-throttle acceleration performance of the finished vehicle by more than 10% compared to the ICE models currently being sold in the same segment by increasing the efficiency of the engine and each drive unit and by utilizing the battery assist.

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That battery assist will come courtesy of up to three electric motors. The first two will be located up front next to the motor, one acting as a generator attached to the engine to feed power to the battery, and another to send power to the front wheels. Honda’s system retains the ability to connect the engine directly to the tires, too, when needed (see the graphic above). The third motor will be located at the back of the car, to spin the rear wheels—a first for Honda. The details are fascinating, so if you want to learn more, please read Sam’s piece.

Honda has yet to release any sort of power or fuel economy figures for this new V6 hybrid powertrain, but says the system is scheduled to go on sale in 2027. That makes sense; the current V6 and the platform it resides on are many years old at this point, with cars like the Ridgeline and Odyssey in desperate need of an update. So it won’t be long until the world sees exactly what the company has in store.

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Dan Bee
Dan Bee
2 minutes ago

I’d love to see a PHEV version of this.

World24
World24
16 minutes ago

Honestly, I was kinda expecting they’d start throwing a de-tuned Type-R motor and their 10 speed into their larger products (and for some twisted reason, I kinda hoped they would for the Ridgeline specifically), but this definitely seems like a far better idea.

TimoFett
TimoFett
21 minutes ago

Good to see that not every manufacturer thinks that hybrids require a turbocharged 4 cylinder.
I’m eager to see what the fuel economy gains are as I am a few years from looking for a replacement for my 2017 Ridgeline.

Jason H.
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Jason H.
33 minutes ago

Why the click-bait headline? I thought the Autopian was trying to be different.

A Reader
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A Reader
6 minutes ago
Reply to  Jason H.

Yes. I love that the J is getting yet another lease on life. But from the photos this looks an awful lot like the current engine!

Groover
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Groover
36 minutes ago

Honda’s never made a mass-market V8 have they…?
Like, outside of motorsport?

A Reader
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A Reader
40 minutes ago

The best news I’ve read in a while, right here!
The J engine, I maintain, is one of the best designs out there.
Yeah yeah, the timing belt, I know.
Anyway, I am so here for an EREV Ody!!

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
41 minutes ago

It’d be nice if that V6 would finally have a timing chain instead of that stupid belt.

Also, Honda needs to make a 4-cylinder hybrid Ody and Ridgeline. Put the Accord Hybrid’s setup in the Ody, Ridgeline, and Passport/Pilot

Pappa P
Pappa P
1 hour ago

The headline is pretty misleading.
They are just adapting their current V6 into a new hybrid drivetrain as per the article.
The real news is that they’re giving the ancient J35 a new lease on life.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
55 minutes ago
Reply to  Pappa P

Very misleading. And yes it probably is another revision to the J-series, which has always been an amazing motor (minus the 3.7 oil eater).

J series already went from SOHC to DOHC recently, this new motor is for sure a DOHC motor from the image above… so maybe more refinement to the J?

The really surprising thing is that they are bothering with a 6 cylinder at all. But I’m happy they are.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
26 minutes ago
Reply to  Pappa P

I feel really bad for saying this… but this sloppiness seems to be par for the course for Brian. This article, the Allison transmission branding article, the Mitsu dual stick article (which required an ed note from Torch), and there are more in the past. Most of the time it’s not entirely wrong, but isn’t really correct either and maybe is the sort of thing folks could get away with 99% of the time, but it doesn’t really work with this crowd. Maybe the articles need a bit more time in the oven to really verify facts before hitting publish.

A Reader
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A Reader
9 minutes ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Yes.
The sheer volume makes me really question the extent AI is used.
And as someone who writes for a living, I know this kind of volume is impossible at a high level of quality.
I know quantity is king, and I love the info about this new setup, but…
It seems like almost a wee bit much?

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Sarah C
Sarah C
7 minutes ago
Reply to  Pappa P

The Mitsubishi Twin-Stick article from the other day got me thinking…

Admittedly I’m a noob when it comes to engines, but can Honda use an updated VTEC system to allow the computer to switch compression & valve timing/firing to create a driver-selectable mode with higher torque (and lower fuel efficiency)? Or would it still also need a similar twin-stick/overdrive transmission gearing as well? Then maybe they could have the best of both worlds, hitting their fuel-efficency targets for regular commuting while having an on-demand moderate torque boost when needed.

Last edited 4 minutes ago by Sarah C
Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 hour ago

Great! Drop it in the Accord.

House Atreides Combat Pug
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House Atreides Combat Pug
36 minutes ago

…and then make the Accord available as a 350HP wagon.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 hour ago

Atkinson cycle likes big low pressure air volumes. A large low friction NA 6 makes a lot of sense. There is a reason Toyota’s hybrid 4 cylinder is a large 2.5 liter. NA also tends to perform better in real world economy versus turbo. Lower federal scores, higher customer satisfaction.

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Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
1 hour ago

I like that they’re using a V6 for this application. As for why Toyota didn’t and uses the 2.4T, I think it’s because they needed a 240hp+ non-hybrid engine option to use in a large variety of products (their off-roady vehicles, trucks, Lexus), so making a hybrid-only N/A V6 didn’t make sense at the time. Meanwhile, Honda only really sells these V6 class models in the US, and there’s only a few of them (Pilot, Passport, Odyssey, Ridgeline).

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 hour ago

Good on Honda for finally going hybrid on their larger vehicles.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago

It’s essentially the same latest-generation dual-overhead cam 3.5-liter V6 found on the current Pilot and Passport, but it will be running on an Atkinson cycle (late intake valve closing) rather than the Otto cycle used for the current production engine. That means it will be significantly more efficient but have less torque and probably less than the current 285 hp, although the electric motors will more than make up for that.”

That also means its not a “new” engine but a somewhat modified existing engine.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
37 minutes ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

But they’re giving it a new name!

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 hour ago

“The question remains: Why not downsize?”

They can with displacement on demand.

PresterJohn
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PresterJohn
1 hour ago

Alright! These have the potential to be extraordinarily reliable and efficient. Definitely sets them apart from Toyota for continuing the use of a V6.

Here’s hoping one of the upgrades is a timing chain instead of a belt…

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago

it seems like Honda simply wants more towing and performance capability than a four-cylinder can provide.

Some editorial freedoms done here.

Number of cylinders isn’t a judge of those items.

JTilla
JTilla
1 hour ago

This is good news. The old J35 was a great motor. I had the last version of it with a manual in my Accord coupe and it was one of the best sounding motors I had ever heard. I still miss the sound of it. It reminded me of the old NSX.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
1 hour ago

So what’s involved in converting to Atkinson? Just new cams for the change in valve timing?

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Basically, and a retune for the ECU. However, they’ll likely use a higher compression ratio (via pistons?) to extract higher thermal efficiency. With the reduced pressure from Atkinson cycle, the higher CR shouldn’t make it exceed the original engine’s peak cylinder pressures.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
37 minutes ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Modern implementation of Atkinson using existing 4-cycle engine construction is a difference in cam timing. With variable valve timing, they could run Atkinson and Otto depending on which makes sense at the moment and I believe Toyota does this in some cases, though I might be wrong there.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
1 hour ago

They are following the recipe of Stellantis of making the Atkinson version of a reliable engine. In this case, the Pentastar 3.6 used in they PHEV Pacifica, gets good power and good mpg.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
1 hour ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

Also Ford with their NA 2.5L used in the Maverick and Escape hybrids, and the 3.3L (debored 3.5/3.7L) used in the Explorer hybrid (now Police fleet only).

MrLM002
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MrLM002
1 hour ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

It’s what the Wrangler 4xe should have had.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
52 minutes ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Agree, and Stellantis is now expanding the 3.6 to the EREV versions. I think they found the perfect combo, reliable enough and parts available.

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