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How Are We Doing? Let’s Talk Autopian

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One of my favorite comments I get from PR people, journalists, other publishers, et cetera is that they can’t believe the community we have here. That’s what the Internet used to be about, but too many publications got sold to people who didn’t understand that a site like this can only thrive with readers who care. It’s why so many of our peers look at the quality and number of comments we have and express some mix of shock, envy, and disbelief.

This is a good week for media in general, because we celebrate the fifth anniversary of Defector. While this site may have formed under different circumstances and with slightly different goals, the success of Defector was encouraging to those of us who felt there had to be a way back to websites that didn’t suck.

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In his celebration post, Tom Ley (who was the one who encouraged us to do a Velour tier, btw) wrote the following:

I often tell people that I think about being a co-owner of Defector the same way I would think about being the co-owner of a bar. Nobody opens a bar because they are hoping that one day Viacom will come along and try to purchase it for $250 million, and no bar becomes a fun place to hang out by hiring bartenders who for some reason won’t stop telling customers that starvation is no big deal when it happens to sick kids. Part of what makes Defector work is that it aims to accomplish much of what a good bar aims to accomplish: It welcomes patrons into a place where they might have a few laughs, learn a few things, and pass the time a little more pleasantly than they otherwise would.

This isn’t to say that Defector harbors no ambition. One often overlooked aspect of the media industry of yore is how it was built to drain itself. It was simply understood that as bigger audiences were courted and larger valuations were achieved, the more degraded and compromised the actual editorial product would become. It was like having a vampire in your own company, feeding itself on the very thing that originally provided any life or value to the enterprise. By contrast, these years spent working at Defector are the first in my career in which the future is not something I feel bearing down on me, but rather something to be chased after. We’ve already grown a lot as a company, and I want us to continue to grow, but not recklessly. If you’ll allow me to return to the bar analogy: I don’t want Jon Taffer coming in here and turning the place into a 9/11-themed sports bar with fire truck alarms above all the urinals. I just want more and different customers, so that we can offer a more adventurous drink menu and, I don’t know, turn the back room into a music venue. OK, that’s it for the bar analogy.

This feels right to me. I want this place to be a fun place to “pass the time a little more pleasantly” than you otherwise might. At the same time, I think we all have an ambition to grow this place and make it more than it is right now.

To that end, we’ve made two strategic hires:

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  • Brian Silvestro, our new News Editor, who is already making a huge difference when it comes to keeping us up-to-date on what’s happening.
  • Griffin Riley, our Video Manager, who is continuing to expand our video offerings.

These last two weeks we’ve experimented with increasing our daily production a bit, while also improving or adding some site features (Night Panel, Glovebox). We’ll also be replacing the current Consent Management Platform (CMP) that a few of you didn’t like with one that should work a little better and be a little less intrusive.

The site’s looked great to me this week, but I’m curious what everyone else thinks. How are we doing? How are you doing? What could we do better? What should we do more of?

Photo: Ford

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Stef Schrader
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Stef Schrader
3 hours ago

FELLOW VELOUR ENJOYER TOM LEY! I like that guy more now that I know this.

(Bring it back, luxobarge makers. That is the softness I crave.)

Stef Schrader
Member
Stef Schrader
2 hours ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

FINE, I GUESS I’LL COMMENT ON THE SITE. I don’t feel guilty opening up this tab at work because y’all do such a good job keeping track of the behind-the-scenes industry movements (pun intended?) in the Morning Dump. Good context, good detail, and the rest of the site is entertaining as hell, too.

(You should consider posting more Puffalumps, though.)

TK-421
TK-421
3 hours ago

I only discovered you maybe a month or so ago, when my friends were featured for their car collection. I came for the friends, stayed for the content. (Almost sounds backwards from the usual come for the food, stay for the friends?)

My only minor complaint is I find myself pausing the auto-starting video clip near the top of every single story I read. I could probably let it run, but it bugs me for some reason.

Rang
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Rang
3 hours ago
Reply to  TK-421

Maybe a problem with your comlink?

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
2 hours ago
Reply to  Rang

He may not be at his post.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
1 hour ago
Reply to  TK-421

Members don’t see ads. The cloth membership tier is pretty cheap and would eliminate the pesky ads.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
41 minutes ago
Reply to  TK-421

That can be stopped but I don’t remember how.

Tbird
Member
Tbird
3 hours ago

I appreciate the neutral political take. Politics is a third rail and has ruined many sites. You do your best to stay out of the fray and explain the actual consumer impact of policy.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
3 hours ago

Still loving it here. It’s a browser tab that’s always open, and still the only site I’ve ever paid a subscription for.

This place does really feel like the internet of yore before it turned into a hateful cesspool. There seems to be a level of maturity, intelligence, and respect with the commentariat which is very refreshing.

Maybe I missed it, but is there an option to see all comments by someone? A few times I’ve found some people here whose comments and mindset really resonated with me and I wanted to see what else they had to say.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 hours ago

You’re doing great. You need a podcast with Dan Roth, though.

Stef Schrader
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Stef Schrader
3 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

Would listen.

Also, if we’re also talkin’ Defector crossovers, I’m gonna need Ratto’s take on cars, too.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Stef Schrader
Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
2 hours ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

Or a Why Your Car Sucks series with Drew

Frank Smith
Frank Smith
46 minutes ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

Ray did a piece about a trip to Newfoundland and a brown Zephyr wagon with a 5.0 transplant.

Adrian Clarke
Editor
Adrian Clarke
2 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

No they need a podcast with me.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
2 hours ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Us? Us.

Adrian Clarke
Editor
Adrian Clarke
2 hours ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

I don’t know. Do I know you?

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
2 hours ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

We are not acquaintances – I’m legendary, however.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Dan Roth
Adrian Clarke
Editor
Adrian Clarke
1 hour ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

A legend in your own lunch time?

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
39 minutes ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

He is, his mom told me so.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
40 minutes ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I’d watch that, unless it was about a boring Ferrari.

Ben Eldeson
Ben Eldeson
3 hours ago

You could MASSIVELY increase both your readership and member activity if you fixed some of the major flaws in this site’s user interface, performance and functionality.

A: Its SLOW.. So slow that oftentimes I simply close the page and do something else as it takes forever to load. Not sure how you guys are handling page loading but whatever is being used now isn’t working well.

B: Its BUGGY. As in, the comments section also takes forever to load but on top of that isn’t very stable.

C: Page layout: The fact that somehow it was deemed a great idea to place video ads in the top right where it interferes with the comments dropdown menu is both annoying and yet another reason why sometimes I simply close the age as I don’t have time to try and get the comments to load. This kind of shoehorns with A and the loading and performance issues.

Anyway, I know I am being picky but this is what I do for a living and this site needs to have some and ideally all of those problems addressed because they are basic, foundational problems that affects everything else down the chain. Fix those issues and you’ll probably see a uptick in traffic.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
2 hours ago
Reply to  Ben Eldeson

I’ll second this, not because I’m particularly bothered by it and I just wait/ignore little issues. But I think for broader readership and outreach this kind of thing might get in the way of initially reading articles and getting to know the voice/s of the site and the writers, which is what draws me in enough to ignore the little things.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
38 minutes ago
Reply to  Ben Eldeson

I use my cell phone it loads very well and I seldom have a problem.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Grey alien in a beige sedan
3 hours ago

Hey Matt…. This site has it all. An engaged community, and staff that the community knows on a first name basis (except for the Bishop… but we’re cool with that).

If it wasn’t for the ability to interact with everyone via the comments, this might look like any other automotive site.

I’m also thankful that, for the most part, the comments are quite civil, and people here genuinely enjoy hanging out with other petrolheads.

That sort of community wasn’t fostered overnight. It was built with hard work and great engagement with us.

So to sum it up for the Autopian team: no notes. Keep doing what you love.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
3 hours ago

I love this site and I love Defector. Over there I comment as S.H. Itposting. I’m fairly certain a few folks have an idea of who I am IRL but if you think you’re on to something on that front please keep it to yourself 😉

Anyway I love this site. I love the articles, I love the writing, I love the discussion, and I think you’ve achieved the goal of making it feel like The Old Internet. I appreciate that there’s content for everyone and that this site has people that are uniquely qualified to write about it.

Do I read every single article about campers? No, but I still read a lot of them because Mercedes writes them. Do I care deeply about taillights? Not really, but I’ll sure as shit read about them if Torch has an unhinged article ready to go. Etc.

This is one of the few websites that feels like home for me and it gives me that little pang of joy and whimsy I’ve long been chasing since The Old Internet gave up the ghost. So basically…I have no changes to suggest, I love the site, and I’ll continue being a member and spreading the good news wherever I can. I always try to wear an Autopian shirt to anything car related I go to.

I also feel like you all have made the atmosphere very friendly. While I haven’t met any authors or commenters IRL (yet) I do feel like I have a great relationship with everyone and it’s neat to be able to interact with the authors and everyone else behind the site pretty directly. You don’t get that everywhere, and it’s cool!

Last edited 3 hours ago by Nsane In The MembraNe
Tbird
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Tbird
3 hours ago

This… Do I read every post? No. Do I comment on every post? No. Are there posts that I’m not interested in? Yes. Do a feel a sense of community? YES.

I love when a writer engages with me (or others) in the comments. This is real life.

Jason Torchinsky
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Jason Torchinsky
3 hours ago
Reply to  Tbird

Like this? Hello! And thank you!

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
36 minutes ago

Hey Torch I know you want the site to succeed but remember you are a married man. You can’t go getting engaged with some random person on the internet

Stef Schrader
Member
Stef Schrader
3 hours ago

boss makes a dollar, I make a dime
that’s why I Itpost on company time

(…hi, former coworkers)

Brett Stutz
Brett Stutz
3 hours ago

Good opportunity to say again what a great job Griffin is doing on the video content, as well as his articles!

Love the site! Only niggle is I haven’t found a way to show comments oldest first.

Marcus Alley
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Marcus Alley
3 hours ago

You all are great, kudos! Thanks for the great site

I really really want to use the Night Panel, but I like that teal text color about as much as the chartreuse 76 MGB my dad had. Any chance it could just be a muted white?

Deflected
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Deflected
3 hours ago

I like that there is a night panel, but I find the Autopian nightlight green to be hard to read. Would you consider using an off white for the text and the nightlight green for links?

Mike
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Mike
3 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

The real win would be when you change to night panel, keep the green, but change the font to 1980’s ASCII green.

A. Barth
A. Barth
3 hours ago

As a happy Velour member, I think this is a great place. I don’t read everything on the site but what I do read is pretty darn good, and the comment sections are generally acceptable. 🙂

I was going to ask that the team take a whack at figuring out which features were going to be regular and then maybe somewhere down the line potentially possibly maybe looking into making them regular, but the irregularity is part of the site’s charm.

Also I’m glad Griffin is on full-time! It’s good that Brian is on-board as well: David is now less buried, which is handy because his Jeep isn’t going to assemble itself. 😀

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
34 minutes ago
Reply to  A. Barth

If you are having problems with irregularity try Exlax

Clark B
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Clark B
3 hours ago

I spend more time here than on any other website! I’ve been a member of a lot of forums over the years and this reminds me of the kind of community you’d find on the best ones. And I appreciate how y’all reply to folks in the comments as well, it’s always nice to have a little conversation with the author.

Also night panel is fantastic, and I love the font color y’all chose!

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
4 hours ago

I think you’re all doing a fantastic job and this is my favorite place on the internet. I promise I’ll get around to buying a membership one of these days.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 hour ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

Bob you don’t seem as angry as you once were?
Any tips/suggestions welcomed.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 hours ago

Congrats to Griffin for the promotion! And I’ve been reading Brian’s stuff too, both great hires!

I second the wish for a “newest comment first” setup, and if there could be some way for previous comment pages to load without reloading the whole article too.

Pilotgrrl
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Pilotgrrl
3 hours ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Now that I think about it, please don’t bury comments in deeply nested threads like the old place!

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
32 minutes ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

What we have a Brian and a Griffin but we don’t have a Family Guy tie in? If you ever want a Marketing Guy you know who I am.

Tbird
Member
Tbird
4 hours ago

Honestly, I think that if ran into any writer on this site at a bar, we would hit it off and gab until close. I truly look forward to an Autopian meetup that I can attend in person.

Job well done.

Trust Doesn't Rust
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Trust Doesn't Rust
4 hours ago

Can you guys pick up my dry cleaning?

Ottomottopean
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Ottomottopean
4 hours ago

I know it would be/could be detrimental to your page views but I would find it quite helpful to be able to add an article to my glovebox from the home/main page.

My use case for the glovebox is largely in saving an article for later so I don’t lose it. If I see something really interesting and don’t have time for it, adding to GB is a great way to circle back on the weekend and read it. But clicking into the article then backing out is not ideal.

Very small issue. Overall I don’t have much to complain about.

MATTinMKE
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MATTinMKE
3 hours ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

That’s a great idea! I haven’t been using GB at all, but I frequently don’t have the time to read all the posts I want to.

1978fiatspyderfan
Member
1978fiatspyderfan
29 minutes ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

You guys just confused me. There is no reason you can’t read all the articles each day. Eliminate your wife/girlfriend use your lunch hour and breaks forget about your children. Also you are working 8 hours a day who can’t read every article twice in 8 hours? C’mon people set your priorities. JK

Last edited 27 minutes ago by 1978fiatspyderfan
SonorousSpeedJoe
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SonorousSpeedJoe
4 hours ago

You guys are doing great so far, in my opinion!

I’m really glad that Night Panel finally exists; I think the next step is to have it turn on automatically if a user has dark mode enabled on their device/browser.

For other suggestions: I’d like to not have to refresh an article when I want to go to the next page of the comments section. Better sorting options would also be welcome!

I’ve started creating passkeys for my accounts on services that support them, so I kind of want to see that here, too.

Last edited 4 hours ago by SonorousSpeedJoe
Lori Hille
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Lori Hille
17 minutes ago

Have the comments navigation (previous, page 2 etc. when there’s more than one page of comments) at the top and the bottom of each comment page. Sometimes I want to read the comments in order from oldest to newest. It always plops you on the most recent & you have to scroll all the way down to hit the button to get to the start of the comments.

Jmfecon
Member
Jmfecon
4 hours ago

At least for me, when in Night Panel mode, some things are unreadable (e.g. the Mark as Read for notifications).

Also, I am old (not that much), really dislike Discord, would like to have an alternative to it, but, ok, probably I am one of the very few that would care about this.

The rest is good. Keep doing this great work!

Always broke
Always broke
4 hours ago
Reply to  Jmfecon

I’m baffled by discord too, tried to use it, but was total lost. I’ll have to get my kids to explain it to me

3WiperB
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3WiperB
4 hours ago
Reply to  Always broke

I’m old. I figured out Discord. My kids were shocked that I use Discord.

MATTinMKE
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MATTinMKE
3 hours ago
Reply to  3WiperB

If you’re shocking/embarrassing your kids, you’re doing something right!

3WiperB
Member
3WiperB
4 hours ago

It’s going great. I’ve made new friends though this site and the Discord, and even encouraged one person from the Discord to change jobs and come work with me. Plus the content is great and I’m always learning something from the articles (and often the comments).

Goose
Member
Goose
4 hours ago

I really like the content. My only complaints are pretty minor niggles with the comments and notifications. I wish both were a bit more featured (collapsible comment trees maybe? posting images? notification history maybe opposed to never seeing them again when you clear them?) But, they are just small complaints and with the site regularly being improved, probably on some roadmap already.

JurassicComanche25
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JurassicComanche25
4 hours ago

Notice and appreciate the difference in output!

Some ideas- davids done a couple recent articles on a foam cannon and impact. What about some recurring but on car related things and products that could be nice garage/house additions? Tools and detailing supplies alike. Mercedes battery thing also comes to mind. (On that note, random tool time, like the swench from the old site)

Brian needs a turn to be hazed, ala DT in the Aztek and Adrians ssangyong.

Love the return of onlyfanbelts!

And the glovebox- whats in yours?

Tbird
Member
Tbird
4 hours ago

Yes, we know more about Griffin than Brian (a name I know from C/D I think?). Griffin stared death in the face on a road trip with David to procure a GMT400. Let’s not leave Thomas out either.

V10omous
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V10omous
4 hours ago

Still wish the comments wouldn’t randomly decide to go to multiple pages, but other than that I have no strong complaints.

V10omous
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V10omous
4 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

What hope do the rest of us have then?

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
4 hours ago

Definitely noticed the increased output and as someone that spends more time pressing F5 on the Autopian than actually being productive it was greatly appreciated.

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