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How Did A Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Store In Arizona End Up Selling So Many Cars 2,000 Miles Away?

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If I were any Stellantis dealer I think I’d look warily at used car chain Carvana, which has been allowed to purchase CDJR franchises. It’s all sort of weird, and recent reports show just how strange the whole relationship is, including an Arizona dealership sending a bunch of cars to a small market in Pennsylvania.

The Canadian trade war continues at a quick pace, and it’s such an incredibly shoot-your-dick-off moment that I sort of don’t believe it’s going to really happen. But what do I know? Me only toil part time at jah Morning Dump. The UAW, automakers, pretty much everyone seems against it, though.

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If there’s one winner here, it’s not America, or Canada, but China, and BYD is showing the way with a lift in profits thanks to exports.

That’s heavy, I’m going to end with shooting brakes, because I love shooting brakes and it’s a Friday.

The Carvana-Stellantis Thing Is Odd

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Photo: Carvana

I know there’s not always a lot of sympathy for dealers on the web, but I do feel for your average CJDR dealer. After years of being starved of products, marketing, and support from a bizarrely, seemingly antagonistic CEO it’s gotta suck to hear things are going to turnaround and then have to watch the company buddy up with one of your biggest rivals.

Peter went out to see how Carvana plans to sell CDJR vehicles in June, and the answer was a lot of cubes and a lot fewer sales people. In theory, Carvana has to follow the same franchise rules as other dealers when it comes to only having a certain number of stores in a certain MSA. However, nothing stops the company from selling a car to another MSA. Normally, this is rare, because if you live in Minnesota why would you drive to a Hyundai dealer in Arizona to get a car you could easily get at 50 dealers in between the two states?

Carvana, though, doesn’t work that way. Carvana is a national retailer and it regularly ships cars to the customer (national chains like Hendricks or Penske will do the same, though typically for one-off cars purchased from someone far away).

This came up in a report from trade publication SavvyDealer, which found that the Casa Grande, Arizona store owned by Carvana sold 29 cars within a 50-mile radius of the local CDJR store some 2,000 miles away (or, five more than what the local dealer sold that same month):

We pulled the RDR-based sales reporting for one small-market Pennsylvania CDJR store, the same data the factory uses, covering every new vehicle reported sold to a buyer within 50 miles. Here is what July 2026 looked like: 693 new CDJR vehicles sold into that radius, split across 99 selling dealers. The number one seller was the region’s biggest local auto mall with 40. Number two was Carvana Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Casa Grande, Arizona, with 29. The store that actually holds the franchise for this market sold 24.

Read that again. In this market’s own factory sales data, a single Carvana rooftop in the Arizona desert outsold the hometown franchise dealer, and only one of the 98 other selling dealers beat it. The 29 units were not one fluke model either: Ram 1500s, Wranglers, Gladiators, Compasses, Cherokees, Durangos, a Ram 2500.

The trend line is the scarier part. That same Carvana store put 11 new units into this market in February, 2 in June, then 29 in July. Over the trailing twelve months it totals 42, which means most of it happened in the last 60 days. This is what a national e-commerce machine scaling a new business line looks like from inside one small market.

This is extremely unusual. Car dealers have a primary market area (PMA), and while they’re allowed to sell outside of it, that’s where most of the sales come from. Carvana doesn’t operate by those same rules and, because they have access to inventory through multiple stores, they can offer way more options, as Savvy Dealer points out:

Small markets may actually have it worst. A small store stocks a handful of heavy-duty trucks at a time, in the configurations the dealer principal thinks will move. Carvana lists all of them, everywhere, and delivers. Call it targeting or call it scale, the result at the store level is identical: your PMA obligates you and protects nothing.

That’s a huge benefit that Carvana has, though in theory Carvana is also responsible for the same local service. In theory. According to an Automotive News report, Carvana might be a little less interested in that:

One dealer told Automotive News that a sales manager who called one of Carvana’s seven Stellantis stores posing as a customer with a “check engine” warning light got surprising advice: Just take it to an independent mechanic.

“That is just not what our network needs,” said the dealer, who asked not to be identified. “You do that, you’ll sell someone one car, and you’ll never sell them a car again.”

This service issue seems to be a real thing, and Car Dealership Guy called the seven Carvana-owned dealerships to see if they could get service work and it didn’t go well, with more than half of them having either no working number, a long wait, or not answering at all. Ohio was maybe the worst:

In Ohio, none of the listed phone numbers were working when called, and multiple visits to its website on multiple days showed no available service appointments well into 2027, even for a quick fix such as a tire rotation.

Carvana is still getting this project going, so it’s possible all of this gets resolved. In the Automotive News article, a Carvana spokesperson says the company “has improved and expanded the service operations of the stores it bought.”

That same article goes onto note some other strangeness about Stellantis Chairman John Elkann:

Elkann is CEO of investment firm Exor, which owns Lingotto Investment Management, which he also chairs. As of late June, Lingotto owned more than 9 million shares in Carvana valued at $611 million.

“Lingotto/Exor holds a less than 2 percent minority stake in Carvana and has no involvement or visibility into the company’s management,” a Stellantis spokesperson said.

Is it odd for the chair of a car company to also own a small number of franchised dealers? That is a little strange.

The UAW Also Would Like This Trade War With Canada To End

Shawn Fain Bosses Tears
Source: UAW

In theory, if the Trump Administration really wants to deprive Canada of an automotive industry, then the United Auto Workers could benefit from more jobs. However, for that to work, the White House might have to back off some trade deals it’s already made/is making with other countries.

That seems to be the take from UAW President Shawn Fain, who asked for a deescalation of the growing trade war between the two countries:

The UAW rejects any escalation on Canada, a country with strong unions and labor standards. If we’re going to increase tariffs anywhere, it should be on countries where automakers continue to offshore jobs because they can pay workers $3 an hour, force them to work in unsafe conditions, and crack down on independent unions.

Here at the UAW, we are fighting to end the free trade disaster. Free trade pits workers against each other across borders and is fueled by corporate greed. That’s why we will always support strategic tariffs, including the 232 tariffs on auto and heavy truck. Tariffs work, but only if they are deployed intentionally to protect workers and grow our manufacturing communities.

It’s time to permanently end offshoring and the race to the bottom. We need well-designed tariffs, and a comprehensive rewrite of the USMCA and other bad trade deals.

While both sides are lobbing new tariffs across the border (and renaming lakes for some reason), automakers are weirdly silent. According to Politico, there’s a lot of back-channel work and hope that this will all end:

If the North American neighbors don’t resolve their differences by Jan. 1, President Donald Trump has pledged to hit the truck, its Canadian parts, and others like it with a 50 percent tariff when crossing the border, a result that would be “cataclysmic,” for the industry, according to one industry official who said companies would be forced to raise prices.

But as they wait for tempers to cool in Ottawa and Washington, carmakers are taking a soft touch approach to lobbying the Trump administration to abandon its trade war.

“We’re kind of regrouping,” said another auto industry official. “We just need to let both sides go back to their corners for a bit, and then figure out how to come back together.”

I suspect the outcome of the midterms will impact the timing of trade talks, for good or ill.

BYD Profits Rise On Exports

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Photo: BYD

China stands to gain the most from the United States dropping the ball on global trade, specifically after walking away from the Trans Pacific Partnership. The biggest winner might be BYD.

Per Bloomberg:

BYD Co.’s profit rose for the first time in five quarters as surging exports and demand for some of its pricier models helped the world’s largest electric-vehicle maker overcome a downturn in China.

Second-quarter net income climbed 30% from a year earlier to 8.2 billion yuan ($1.2 billion), according to figures derived from first-half earnings reported on Friday. That compares with the 8 billion yuan average of estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Revenue slipped about 3% to 194.6 billion yuan.

There are still a lot of risks for BYD, and the home market is weak, but the US continues to shed influence globally, opening the door to Chinese automakers.

Ohhhhh Shooting Brakes

Broad Arrow Zoute 26 2009 Ferrari Daytona Shooting Brake Rear Large
Photo: Broad Arrow

I’m a sucker for a car that’s not a wagon turned into a wagon or a shooting brake, and Broad Arrow will be auctioning off two of them this summer.

First, at the Zoute Concours Auction in Belgium is this 2026 Daytona Shooting Brake Hommage by Niels van Roij Design:

Strictly a one-off, it is based on a 2009 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano and while the impressive V12 beneath the long bonnet is largely untouched, almost every element of the car has been altered to create something truly unique. This includes the 3D printed carbon fibre within the elegantly sculpted nose, the beautifully hand-formed bodywork that extends to the curvaceous rear with its deep window, and the diffuser that surrounds the bespoke double-barrel shotgun exhaust tips. The electrically operated butterfly doors that curve around the handcrafted shooting brake luggage compartment feature strong and flexible Plexiglas and intricate, hand-milled hinges, each a work of art in themselves.

Broad Arrow Zurich 2026 Aston Martin Lagonda Shooting Brake Large
Photo: Broad Arrow

And then at the Zurich auction is this 1987 Aston Martin Lagonda Series 3 Shooting Brake by Roos Engineering Ltd:

The Aston Martin Lagonda was revolutionary for its imposing wedge-shape design, luxurious interior and futuristic technology. This Series 3 is one of only 76 produced by the British marque and the only one to have officially been approved by the factory for conversion as a shooting brake. Acquired in 1996, it was entrusted to Roos Engineering Ltd in Switzerland, who undertook the dramatic transformation, including using factory-supplied parts.

Completed in 2000, the conversion involved a significant overhaul of the mechanical components, but it is the shooting brake style that truly captures the imagination. The windows and luggage compartment bodywork were all custom-made, as were the carpets and other trim elements. The interior was redesigned in Connolly leather and Alcantara and the rear bumper features revised parking and signal lights to ensure they can be seen when the tailgate is open.

One of the rarest iterations of the Aston Martin Lagonda, this Shooting Brake conversion captures the attention with its unique styling and precise Swiss craftsmanship.

Is that really a shooting brake? Also, does someone want to loan me 350,000 Swiss francs?

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

Man, they really do come in threes. I’m going to finish off this week with one of my favorite songs from Norway’s King Harald V. Just kidding (though RIP King Harald), here’s Remi Wolf with her new song “Bottle.”

The Big Question

What’s the greatest distance from your home to a new or used car you purchased?

Top photo: Carvana, DepositPhotos.com

 

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Stacheface
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Stacheface
1 hour ago

Generally everything has been local, though I did make a roughly 1,900 mile trip (one way, flew there then drove back) for a truck last year

Lori Hille
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Lori Hille
1 hour ago

From California we bought a 560sl online from a Midwest classic car dealership. Did face time. We figured that if we really didn’t like it we could just sell it. It was presented as advertised.

Mercedes has a national CPO listing of cars for sale and if you want something atypical (like a car not white, black or grey) you can definitely find it anywhere in the country.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Lori Hille

Acquaintances in BelAir bought a CPO E400 Cabriolet that way – Silver w/ Red interior.
Had it shipped back to LA from Texas.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Urban Runabout
Chud Zuckerberg
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Chud Zuckerberg
1 hour ago

No way Carvana turns those service department numbers on ever… Sold me a F150 3 months ago that they still have not been able to fix. They’ve put 4 (no joke) ‘remanufactured’ transmissions from junkyards in it in that time! Beautiful business model where they buy a car in any condition, clear codes, mark it up 15%, sell it with a non-refundable delivery fee then hope no one notices the issues with it within 7 days and then support it with a 3rd party (that’s totally just carvana under another name) warranty that doesn’t actually fix the car. They’re basically just a car transport company.

Data
Data
53 minutes ago

Well, the founders father was a convicted felon so maybe the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
1 hour ago

Very smart from Carvana, its like having small distribution centers where they can pick based on the stock and ship it as needed.

At some point dealership will sue or they can start doing the same but its like having a local small grocery store against Walmart…

JDE
JDE
1 hour ago

The Aston is just a Station Wagon. Sorry.

I have Driven 5 hours to get a motorcycle. though it was conveniently in a town one of my parent lived in so I managed to get a place to store it after the purchase until I could get the trailer.

I have purchased a CJ7 3.5 hours away, I did bring the trailer for that one in case I bought it.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  JDE

It’s a Lagonda – and it’s an “Estate”

JDE
JDE
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

1987 Aston Martin Lagonda – and it would only be an estate in the land that refers to hoods as Bonnets

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  JDE

Then being in Switzerland, it would be called a “Kombi”

TK-421
TK-421
1 hour ago

I think the farthest was the 2001 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS I bought from another rallycross friend. I’m in Dayton, he’s in Columbus.

But he drove from Columbus to pick me up in Dayton, then back to Columbus, then I drove it home… So like 3 trips?

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 hour ago

Two cities over.

If I can’t see it, touch it, and drive it, it ain’t happening.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 hour ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

Instructions unclear, sent a deposit and bought my Mini sight unseen. Most expensive project I’ve ever bought!

Goose
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Goose
58 minutes ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

Sure, but if I can test drive it with a local dealer, who then has such messed up pricing that I can get it cheaper from 2000 miles away (including any travel/transport costs), then screw that local dealer.

Helius
Helius
1 hour ago

I’m still trying to process how residents within 50 miles of a small-market CDJR store managed to buy new CDJR vehicles from 99 different dealers…!

Are people just driving hours to buy their vehicles, or is that region just lousy with CDJR dealers?

JDE
JDE
1 hour ago
Reply to  Helius

deals, most likely. the CDJR dealer 10 miles from me did not have the color combo/model with correct features/ and price that the dealer 2 hours away did. Had I ordered it online, I suppose I could have had it delivered tot he nearby dealer, but after the last warranty experience, I doubt I will willingly buy anything from them.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 hour ago
Reply to  Helius

The internet is a powerful thing. If the local dealer only sold 24 out of 693, he’s got bigger problems than just Carvana.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 hour ago

TBQ:
according to Google Maps,
My Blazer was 235 miles away.
My NB Miata was 325 miles away.
My current RF Miata was 439 miles away.
The Miata I traded for that one was 480 miles away, but CarMax delivered it for me.
My Triumph was 756 miles away.

NC Miata NA
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NC Miata NA
1 hour ago

I bought my Hijet from about 6,000 miles away

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 hour ago

TBQ:90 miles for my current car, it was the nearest one I could find with a manual.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
1 hour ago

TBQ: Bought my VW from a dealer 1,200 miles away. It was the most painless automobile purchase I have ever had. I sent a check in the mail and two weeks later a bright orange Beetle showed up in my driveway.

I have a hard time having much sympathy for dealers competing with companies like Carvana. I presume car dealers only exist in 2026 because of lobbying. None of the dealer’s excuses for existing make much sense. The one I hear most often is that dealers need to exist to allow cars to be serviced, but I fail to see why middlemen trying to sell fabric protection or nitrogen for my tires are necessary for me to get an oil change.

The Canadian trade war continues at a quick pace, and it’s such an incredibly shoot-your-dick-off moment

Few truer words have ever been uttered by man. On the plus side, changing the name of a lake and imposing crippling tariffs on hockey sticks will undoubtedly get Canada to stop sending all those illegal Puerto Ricans across the border (at least, I think that was the rationale I heard from the White House).

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
1 hour ago

From shooting dicks to shooting brakes. The Morning Dump has it all!

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

COTD

JDE
JDE
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Shoot Yeah!

Live2ski
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Live2ski
1 hour ago

I bought my Volvo EV from Tennessee and I live in Colorado – 1500 miles away. it had the right price, mileage and options. it was one of my easiest and best transactions with a dealer. Had it shipped on a transport and got it within 24 hours. Maps says the drive takes 21 hours.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
1 hour ago

That Aston Lagonda shooting brake looks like a Chevy Celebrity wagon.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 hour ago

Well, the Celebrity is one of the standards for modern cars on the road today

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
38 minutes ago

Yes exactly thank you. I was almost there but couldn’t quite pin it to the Celebrity specifically. Spot on.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 hour ago

Here at the UAW, we are fighting to end the free trade disaster. Free trade pits workers against each other across borders and is fueled by corporate greed. That’s why we will always support strategic tariffs, including the 232 tariffs on auto and heavy truck. Tariffs work, but only if they are deployed intentionally to protect workers and grow our manufacturing communities.

Sounds like the UAW also wants the manufacturing out of Canada.

To which I see no reason we shouldn’t open our imports to any foreign automakers who are willing to fill that gap, since domestic automakers seem keen to screw us.

TBQ
My mini probably is my longest journey if you include the parts I grabbed on the same trip. 900 miles ’round trip.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 hour ago

I…uh, got my Bug 30 minutes away? That’s about as far as I’ve ever gone to actually buy.

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
1 hour ago

TBQ: I’ve bought 2 cars that were 180 miles away from me. However both times I was looking for a very specific car, trim, color, options and that just happened to be the closest/best deal. When we got my Wife’s Pilot Trailsport I was about to do a Fly/drive, but our local Honda store traded to get the color she wanted and matched the price of the one I was going to fly too. Not my car purchase but I facilitated a car purchase for my little sister that lives in Tallahassee, Florida by my parents that live outside of Madison, Wisconsin. She wanted a lightly used Mazda CX5 and there happened to be the right one for sale local to me in Central Kentucky. I did the test drive and haggling, dad e-signed the paperwork, I picked my sister up from the airport a few weeks later.

Anecdotal but my friend is a manager of one of our local CDJR Dealerships, just this past weekend he was complaining about Carvana’s Dealerships being able to sell more than his does even though he is better on price. I’ve bought and sold 2 cars to his dealer group before he became manager, and they are the cheapest/easiest to deal with in the region, so I don’t think he’s lying about price. They also ship cars everywhere but not as frequently as Carvana does.

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1 hour ago

From Michigan to North Carolina, it’s just what you do if you want an older rust free pick up.

Rommi
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Rommi
1 hour ago

I bought my Volvo V60 T6 R-Design from Spokane, WA while living in San Antonio, TX. That’s like 2k miles (3.2k km)

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

The farthest is about 750 miles to Upstate NY to buy a Blazer project, but I also bought another Blazer 500 miles away in SW MO, and 3 of the 4 drivable vehicles I have now were bought out of state.

Traveling to get a vehicle is just part of the routine for me I guess.

Angrycat Meowmeow
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Angrycat Meowmeow
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

There’s often little choice if you’re picky about colors/options. Shipping could easily cost more than a flight.

The CTS V Sport was acquired 750mi away in TN (drove for that one), and the S5 500mi away in GA (took a flight and drove it home). The Q7 was only about 50mi away, we got lucky on that one.

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

Even the minivan came from Milwaukee (3 hours away) because it was the closest one with the right options and price.

Rarer stuff I fully expect to travel for, even if it’s just to Chicago.

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
1 hour ago

TBQ: Flew from CA to CO to purchase a 2004 5MT V6 4×4 supercharged Tacoma for $6,500

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 hour ago

What’s the greatest distance from your home to a new or used car you purchased?

I flew from CVG to ILM then road with the nice elderly couple who owned the dealership in Sneads Ferry, NC, then drove the Beige Unicorn back to Wilmington, NC, then drove it back home avoiding tolls for 660 some odd miles

Yzguy
Yzguy
1 hour ago

“Matt only pawn… in game of life”

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 hour ago
Reply to  Yzguy

Also, guy who lives in New York and bought a CR-V in California.

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
34 seconds ago
Reply to  Yzguy

You give the governor a harumph!

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
1 hour ago

How Did A Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Store In Arizona End Up Selling So Many Cars?
Fixed it for ya!

Sackofcheese
Sackofcheese
1 hour ago

They were all Rams and Jeeps. That is all they sell

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