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How Much Carbon Fiber Is Too Much Carbon Fiber? I Don’t Know, But Here’s The New Ford Mustang GTD ‘Liquid Carbon’

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In the context of the Ford Mustang GTD, a carbon fiber aesthetics package is clinically uninteresting. I mean, this is a street-legal racecar made by Multimatic; it has an inboard rear suspension that you can see through plexiglass; it has a ridiculous 815-horsepower, supercharged 5.2-liter V8; it can lap the Nürburgring in well under 7 minutes; its wing is enormous … I can go on and on. This thing is dope and needs nothing more to protect its dope status, and yet here is the new Liquid Carbon edition.

Ford Mustang GTDs have only begun hitting the road, and yet here we have a new edition that gets rid of the paint and replaces the door skins with carbon. “The Mustang GTD Liquid Carbon skips a trip to the paint booth to amp up aerodynamic, race-derived style while sacrificing none of the extreme on-track performance,” Ford writes in its press release. “The appearance is functional, too. Deleting paint and replacing the sheet metal in the doors with bonded carbon-fiber saves about 13 pounds compared to a Mustang GTD Carbon Series with the Performance package.”

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Here’s the result:

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“The carbon weave of the hood, roof, rear deck, and rear wing match up perfectly down the midline of the vehicle. Additionally, fenders and side panels match up to the dorsal elements of the vehicle, presenting a cohesive pattern in the carbon-fiber bodywork,” continues Ford in its press release, prompting me to look more closely at the GTD:

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Notice how the carbon fiber weave’s direction changes right up the middle of the car. Trying to get the weave to line up between various panels must have been a humongous pain in the butt. Of course, they don’t all line up — the fender-to-hood interface involves a change in direction, and there are other areas where two parts meet and the weave isn’t exactly aligned — but the big parts seem aligned, which I’m sure is a tough thing to get right.

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Here’s the interior, which Ford says is a “bold combination of black leather and Dinamica microfiber suede and Hyper Lime stitching on the seats, door panels, center console, instrument panel, and steering wheel.”

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What do I think about the Liquid Carbon GTD? Well, the interior doesn’t seem like anything that special, and 13 pounds ain’t much. I realize when we’re talking about a car that Ford and Multimatic have already painstakingly tried to wring every pound out of, 13 pounds probably seems like a lot to engineers. But it’s about a week of dieting for most Americans. It’s not nothing, but it ain’t a lot. And while I appreciate the effort that went into making this carbon fiber look good, I own a carbon fiber car, and its raw carbon fiber roof is known to delaminate in the hot sun. Hopefully that’s not a problem here.

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Also, I just like paint!

 

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Just look at Beau’s “Beauberry” GTD above. I realize paint color is a personal taste thing, but I think that color looks absolutely fantastic – not just on that car, but on the Ford GT, too:

 

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To forego that for carbon fiber … I just couldn’t do it. So maybe the Liquid Carbon GTD isn’t quite for me, but even I can appreciate how badass this thing looks. I mean come on:

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It’s absolutely menacing.

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Adam EmmKay8 GTI
Adam EmmKay8 GTI
3 months ago

I don’t like diesels, but SVT Mustangs were cool back in 2004

Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
3 months ago

So when is an automaker going to sell a super-light car that comes with a year of Wegovy?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
3 months ago

Meanwhile: Bald Tires.
That’ll make for some splintered carbon fiber all over the road at this weekend’s Cars and Coffee.

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
3 months ago

Didn’t the street banditos guy do the book matched carbon thing on the 240z ev thing they were building a while back? Looks neat, but it’s been done and I tend to like colors, so I’d take mine in beauberry.

P S
P S
3 months ago

I cannot believe that no one has posted the “carbonfiber” meme. If any story needed that as a final statement , this is it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74xXVa5bcKs

CreamySmooth
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CreamySmooth
3 months ago

I just like how it took Ford $158,000 to put a better looking front end on the current mustang. The whole shape is so much more cohesive

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
3 months ago

“Bookmatched Carbon,” maybe. “V-form Carbon,” “Contiguous Carbon,” “Draped Carbon,”… but “Liquid Carbon” it is not, and it sounds worse than Apple’s upcoming “Liquid Glass,”, which is at least a visual skeuomorph of liquid glass. Also, liquid carbon is (barely) a real thing.

To create liquid carbon on Earth, Dominik and the team used a record-breaking solid-state laser that was developed by a team at the Centre for Advanced Laser Technology and Applications (CALTA) in the UK. The researchers used the laser to create pressures exceeding one million atmospheres and temperatures of around 7000 K. This turned solid carbon into liquid form for a few nanoseconds – long enough to take a snapshots of the material using x-ray.

This is by far ‘the most detailed and informative data yet obtained for the liquid state of carbon,’ comments physical chemist Richard Saykally from the University of California, Berkeley, in the US, who was not part of the project team. The x-ray diffraction data closely aligns with predictions, he adds.

https://edu.rsc.org/science-research/scientists-create-liquid-carbon-on-earth-for-the-first-time/4021874.article

Last edited 3 months ago by Twobox Designgineer
Ben
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Ben
3 months ago

13 pounds probably seems like a lot to engineers. But it’s about a week of dieting for most Americans.

Um, in the interest of not giving someone an eating disorder, that’s approximately an order of magnitude more weight loss than is considered healthy in a week. If you ever lose that much weight that fast you should probably see a doctor.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago
Reply to  Ben

Nah I can lose 13 pounds with a good bowel movement.

Mouse
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Mouse
3 months ago
Reply to  Ben

I thought he meant 13 lbs off that car is like a week of dieting for humans. Not that 13 lbs off a human is a week of dieting.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
3 months ago

Who needs bucket seats when you can just install a carbon fibre skinny bike seat and save another 10 kilos.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
3 months ago

Monthly insurance payments on all that carbon fibre are probably more than the monthly payment for the car itself.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
3 months ago

I just want to know what clearcoat they are using. I worked with Speedkore (they did the carbon 68 Charger on Leno’s garage) when I was at Mercury Racing, and the issue with exposed carbon is that almost ALL CF yellows as it ages. The best paint available was the stuff GM was using on the ZR1, but it was crazy expensive. Maybe there’s a newer/better solution?

Cerberus
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Cerberus
3 months ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

That’s what I’m wondering From my experience working with UV protectors (albeit nothing at this level), anything clear offers little to no protection.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
3 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Likewise. I would expect it not to “skip the paint booth,” and rather to get a coat or two of UV-protective clearcoat. Maybe there’s a well controlled gelcoat layer with enough included UV block?

Cerberus
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Cerberus
3 months ago

I’m pretty curious and hope they can find out.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
3 months ago

There was nothing UV stable as of 2 years ago

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

Mine greys and if you treat it with the wrong product it gets draped in dust

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
3 months ago

Carbon fiber everything was super cool like 10-15 years ago, but now its just kind of tacky to leave it unpainted. Like leaving your stainless steel truck unpainted or something

TK-421
TK-421
3 months ago

I found a GR Corolla Core edition with all 3 option packages, that made it essentially the Circuit edition minus the hood and spoiler. I bought a hood and spoiler.

Know the only other difference? CF roof, that I did not want.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
3 months ago

You know what would pair nicely with all that carbon fiber? A lotta’ aero . . . https://www.theautopian.com/how-much-aero-is-too-much-aero-this-much/

Beachbumberry
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Beachbumberry
3 months ago

I’m painfully uninterested in mustangs usually. But the gtd is pretty fantastic and that rear spoiler reminds me of the cosworth escorts

Maryland J
Maryland J
3 months ago

Eh. It’s your car. Do whatever you want.

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
3 months ago

Okay, I’m going to need wallpaper sized versions of every image in this article. Please and thank you.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
3 months ago

As someone who works in the composites industry, I fucken hate most carbon fiber used in the car industry. Majority of the time is it all just for show. Gaudy as hell. In that first video the Ford spokesperson is somehow proud of supposedly 13 lbs of weight savings… on a 4300 lb car.

Boomers had chrome, this younger generation has tacky carbon.

Ash78
Ash78
3 months ago

I just can’t the name.

GTD was already the name for the diesel GTI, but this isn’t the first time Mustang has done this…

SVO is “straight vegetable oil,” also a biodiesel conversion acronym.

Seems like Mustang is just stalking diesels. Is this a giant, multi-decade viral campaign to tell us they’re going diesel?!

Alexk98
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Alexk98
3 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

GTD is the name of the GT3 equivalent class in IMSA, and the road going mustang is basically a barely tweaked race car. My assumption is European companies (ie. Porsche) stick with GT3 because WEC is international, while IMSA is US based, and so is Ford.

Also, if my memory serves, the I in GTI stands for Injection, while the D is for diesel. The D in GTD is for Daytona, so in both cases the acronyms make sense, but are just referencing different things.

Last edited 3 months ago by Alexk98
A. Barth
A. Barth
3 months ago

Now available on PS5, Need For Speed: Liquid Carbon

ElmerTheAmish
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ElmerTheAmish
3 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Basically my first thought, too. Someone on that team spent too much time on Forza with the “custom” paint tabs open.

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
3 months ago

Somewhere there’s a troll with a lot of money on his or her hands strongly considering buying that car and painting it with bedliner paint.

Jack Beckman
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Jack Beckman
3 months ago

Well, I agree it’s “bad” and looks like “ass.” And I’ll bet it’s a joy to insure. Will creasing a fender total it?

The regular GTD looks so much better.

Last edited 3 months ago by Jack Beckman
Hey Bim!
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Hey Bim!
3 months ago

Too much carbon fiber. Everything I’ve read says that while carbon fibers themselves are highly resistant to UV radiation, the epoxy resin matrix that binds them together can be susceptible to degradation from prolonged exposure to sunlight. It can cause yellowing, and cracking.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
3 months ago
Reply to  Hey Bim!

Yes, which is probably why there’s not much weight saving here. It’s likely a cosmetic weave over the structural stuff with a healthy amount of UV blocking clear coat.

But sadly, let’s be real. None of these are going to see much sun. Major props to the folks who actually drive them.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago
Reply to  Spopepro

My thought exactly, what happens when someone opens a car door into it? I suppose it’s the same with a 1 of 1 special color, except that Beau owns a paint shop.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
3 months ago

It’s like, how much more carbon fiber could it be? And the answer is none. None more carbon fiber

ElmerTheAmish
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ElmerTheAmish
3 months ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Well, it’s more carbon fiber, isn’t it? Where can you go from there? Where? Nowhere. Exactly. If we need that extra bit of weight loss, you know what we do? Add more carbon.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
3 months ago
Reply to  ElmerTheAmish

These go to…12.011…

Live2ski
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Live2ski
3 months ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

There is such a fine line between stupid and clever

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
3 months ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

They could take a page from the bicycle weight weenie book and rip most of the upholstery off the seats… Look up a Tune Speedneedle saddle and try not to cringe.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Carbon Fiber underwear ????

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 months ago

“13 pounds probably seems like a lot to engineers. But it’s about a week of dieting for most Americans. ”

I wish! 1-2 lbs a week is the best most Americans can manage

Ash78
Ash78
3 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

A week of dieting? Maybe if you’re a 17yo wrestler with a coach and parents who don’t care if you die. 🙂

But seriously, back when Porsche was like “Check out our hollow carpet fibers!” (really), my immediate reaction was that most 911 owners had a lot of work to do to reduce the overall weight of the vehicle+driver.

Billions in engineering will always go up against its mortal enemy, IHOP.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

“a 17yo wrestler with a coach and parents who don’t care if you die”

That’s water weight. It comes right back after the match.

Footballplaya3k
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Footballplaya3k
3 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

*after weigh in, that’s when the gluttony begins.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 months ago

Rehydrating yes but wouldn’t pre-match gluttony quickly turn into pre-match lethargy?

Footballplaya3k
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Footballplaya3k
3 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

After going a full day without eating or drinking, stuffing ourselves felt a lot better than having no energy haha.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
3 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

Well if my memory of the movie 48 hours is correct and they were true to fact a mature male holds 21 pounds of fecal matter in his colon. I think Judy Reinhold said it to his partner while they were staking out Axel Foley. So hey yet just but a kit of the colonoscopy prep and lose 20 pounds in 24 hours

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