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How Pontiac’s First Compact Ended Up With Half A V8 Up Front, A Transaxle In Back, and ‘Rope Drive’ In Between

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The most famous Pontiac John DeLorean might have been associated with was hardly a groundbreaking engineering feat. Putting a big engine into a Tempest to make it go faster indeed created the vaunted GTO, but it’s really the product of caveman-level engineering.

A lesser-known product of DeLorean’s time as an innovative engineer at the Excitement Division, however, was extremely advanced for the time. In fact, the Ferraris, Alfas, and Porsches that used the same layout in the years that followed didn’t even incorporate all the tricks John had incorporated into the Pontiac compact.

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And did I mention that it had a “rope drive?” Forget the DMC-12: the 1961 Tempest was DeLorean’s real trip to the future.

Complex Compact Chaos

General Motors gets a lot of flak for its failed attempts to do what others had achieved, from aluminum-block Vega engines to torque-steering front-drive cars to double-overhead-cam, four-valve “Quad 4” engines that sounded like Cuisinarts mashing nuts when revved. But fails like these weren’t always the case. In the late fifties through the sixties, it seemed that GM had no fear in trying things that were entirely new and mostly succeeding. There’s no better example of this than the time GM’s big four brands launched their first “compact” cars to fight imports.

1961 Corvair
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Chevrolet began by introducing the Corvair in late 1959, powered by an air-cooled flat six in back in a manner similar to a giant Volkswagen. At the same time, a longer version of the Corvair’s “Z” platform was earmarked for the Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac divisions in 1961 as the front-engined “Y” cars. When you hear “GM platform” you might be imagining identical cars with different front noses and taillights, but with these early compacts but that wasn’t the case: each of the divisions tried very different groundbreaking technology on this same-platform car.

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Buick developed a 3.5-liter aluminum V8 for their Skylark model that would be shared with the other divisions as well. This was a highly advanced lightweight engine for the time. Want proof? Well, when the little V8 proved to be too expensive for GM to make, they would end up selling the tooling to British firm Rover, which would end up using the motor until 2006 in their SUVs for the well-to-do. This Skylark also offered a V6 option that was the first mass-produced American car to use such an engine layout.

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Oldsmobile’s F-85 entry on the platform used this same V8 but had the added magic of one of the first turbochargers, in this case with detonation controlled by a mix of water and alcohol they called “Turbo Rocket Fuel.” Mercedes Streeter wrote this car up in detail recently.

Oldsmobile Jetfire Turbo Ts2
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Pontiac, on the other hand, went all-out to make what John Delorean said would be “something more than the ordinary compact car.” At one point, Pontiac had considered a badge-engineered Corvair, but the decision was made to go with a more conventional layout as with the Buick and Olds platform mates. DeLorean was in the position of a frustrated chef at Chipotle who wants to create the ultimate Mexican concoction but is limited by the ingredients in the burrito assembly line. Undaunted, rolled up GM’s menu into Pontiac’s new Tempest.

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Rope A Dope

In simplest terms, the Tempest is like a Corvair where the engine is moved from the rear of the car to up front under the hood, while the transaxle stays in place (though he didn’t use the Corvair’s engine or transaxle). DeLorean even utilized a modified Corvair swing axle rear suspension for the Tempest, but he did run into a problem: the Corvair’s flat floor pan really wasn’t designed to accept a driveshaft. It could have just run the thing through a tunnel on top, but for 1960 GM that would have been too easy. The only way they saw that it could work would involve running the driveshaft in an arc below the floor – was that even possible?

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Surprisingly, yes. The solution to keep a flat floor was called “rope drive,” a flexible driveshaft made of forged SAE 8660 steel (high nickel, chrome, and molybdenum alloying). Notice the universal joints? No, you don’t, since there weren’t any. You could choose between a three- or four-speed manual or a two-speed Powerglide automatic. For automatic cars, the shaft was 0.65 in (17 mm) while the manual-box car’s shaft was 0.75 in (19 mm) by 82 in (2.1 m). The center point of the arc was about four inches down from the endpoints, a surprisingly curved arc for a rotating shaft.

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Pontiac Rope Drive 12 17
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As you’d expect, such a layout gave the Tempest a nearly perfect 50/50 front/rear weight balance, which was something the ads touted as even most sports cars of the day did not achieve to e 50.50 split, let alone small family cars.

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Contemporary tests found it to be a rather nimble little compact. Without the weight of the motor behind the rear axle line, it was far less twitchy than the Corvair that it shared its rear suspension with, but you could still get in trouble if you tried – see the British joke about the Triumph Herald, “hark the Herald axles swing.”

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Engines for the Tempest were also far from ordinary. While even the Volkswagen-like Corvair didn’t offer a four-cylinder option, Pontiac wanted to go all European and give compact buyers that choice. The way DeLorean’s team went about it was rather odd; they took Pontiac’s 326 V8 and literally chopped it in half. This massive 3.1 liter “Trophy” four was actually economical to make since it was built on the same line as the “Trophy” V8, as Temu Bobby Deniro appears to be explaining below:

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Power output ranged from 110 horsepower with a single-barrel carb up to a 155-horsepower four-barrel monster that claimed to be the most powerful four-cylinder you could get in any car; I’d believe it. Interestingly enough, the aluminum V8 from the Buick and Oldsmobile was an option, but it barely offered any more power than the “Trophy” four, so it was rarely selected (about one percent of production, based on estimates).

The 1962 got a rather bizarre nose job that was not really very Pontiac:

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62 Tempest Coupe 12 16
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Thankfully, 1963 models returned to a much more Pontiac split-grille kind of look. This year, the unpopular Buick V8 was ditched for a Pontiac-built 326 eight, making a more respectable 260 horsepower. The rear suspension was also tweaked a bit to handle the power and reduce the dreaded “tuck under” tendency.

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Want to hear the strangest part about the Tempest? There was a wagon, too.

63 Tempest 12 16 Wagon
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What’s so odd about that? Well, while some wagons have a more conventional layout than their sedan counterparts, that’s not what they did here. That’s right: Pontiac might have had the world’s only front-engine station wagon with a transaxle in back. I mean, it used much of the same body structure as the Corvair wagon of the time, so there was room under the floor, but what a strange layout.

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One interesting note: in length and width, the trophy-powered Tempest wagon (and the related turbocharged Olds F-85 wagon and V8 Buick wagon) were exactly the same size as the Volvo 240 Turbo, so forget any claims you might have that the Swedish invented the sports long roof.

Still, the story gets even stranger.

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Li’l Draggin Wagon

General Motors has had an odd relationship with motorsports, and in the early sixties, the powers that be didn’t see any advantages to having their cars turn wheels in anger on a track. In early 1963, a ban on internally building competition cars was issued, but a few Pontiac engineers became aware of the plan before it was too late.

A little while before, these engineers had created a monster motor called the “Super Duty” 421, a tweaked V8 with dual four-barrels and high-lift camshaft that was almost humorously listed as producing 405 horsepower; dyno testing indicated a figure of at least 50 more than that or even approaching 500. The powerplant had been used in the lightweight “Swiss cheese” Catalina coupe, which I don’t want to say too much more about right now: I’m running out of Pontiacs to write about, people!

Meet The 1963 Pontiac Tempest Super Duty The World S Rarest Drag Spec Wagon 6
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Anyway, the big Pontiac with this motor was undeniably fast, but there was a limit to how much they could lighten this large car to make it faster. Clearly, a smaller car was needed for the 421 to achieve maximum speed, and the Tempest was it.

Meet The 1963 Pontiac Tempest Super Duty The World S Rarest Drag Spec Wagon 1
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The team ordered six coupes to modify and, strange as it sounds, six station wagons to drop in 421s over the holiday break just before the end of 1962. While some independent drag racers used the Tempest to race with big motors, they ripped out the rear transaxle, kept the front gearbox, and just threw in a live axle. Pontiac engineers didn’t do that with the Super Duty wagons. The rope drive and perfect weight balance remained. They also installed a bizarre transaxle with four speeds made up of components from a pair of Powerglide two-speed automatics allowed for clutchless shifting.

Meet The 1963 Pontiac Tempest Super Duty The World S Rarest Drag Spec Wagon 2
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You can already imagine that the 421-powered Tempest was blisteringly fast. This was possibly the quickest factory-built station wagon ever at that point and certainly the only one with a rear transaxle, capable of blasting out low 12-second quarter miles at well over 100 MPH.  The car pictured here is reportedly the only one of the six wagons left, and it fetched $450,000 at a Mecum auction in 2010. It looks delightfully terrifying to drive.

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Adapted By Other Compacts, But Only Expensive Ones

Like pearls before the swine, the typical compact car buyer of those days wasn’t an enthusiast, and they really didn’t care about such engineering sophistication and the cost or complexity associated with it. For the 1964 model year, the Tempest name switched to a more bog-simple front engine and rear drive mid-sized car that would ultimately form the basis for DeLorean’s famous GTO, a far more popular and faster car but a stone-age product by comparison. Later Pontiac compacts like the Ventura shared the platform of the bog-simple Chevy Nova. For maximum profits in a category where making money was tough, the more basic the better. Even today, rear-transmission Tempest values can lag below even many non-GTO later Tempest models.

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Still, it was good to see the biggest car company in the nation that put a man on the moon actually trying to push the limits of automotive technology. Sure, there were issues with refinement, but what could you really expect from a three-liter four without balance shafts? Thirty years later, the new-for-1992 three-liter four Porsche 968 that actually did have balance shafts wasn’t perfectly smooth either. It had a rear transaxle as well; did you ever in a million years think that a Zuffenhausen creation would be copying an old Pontiac?

Pontiac Points: 86/ 100

Verdict: Say what you want about GM bean counter cars: this Tempest pulled out all the stops to make an advanced world-class enthusiast car.

Top graphic image: Exotic Motorsports of Oklahoma

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Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
21 minutes ago

I’ve long wondered about the rope drive. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of these Tempests in person.

Dano
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Dano
22 minutes ago

Loved the article.

Actually, the Oldsmobille F85 and Cutlass wagons did not have turbocharged engines. Only the Jetfires had the turbocharged engines.

Dan G.
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Dan G.
26 minutes ago

To me, GM hit its peak engineering, design, and styling from 1960ish through 1968ish, with some exceptions of course. By the late 60’s the new models were beginning to bloat.

JJ
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JJ
42 minutes ago

Question for an engineer: Is there a parasitic loss penalty for doing this? In my head it seems like there would be additional force needed to be bending this thing with every rotation.

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
11 minutes ago
Reply to  JJ

I’m worried about material fatigue from constantly being bent in all directions

JJ
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JJ
4 minutes ago
Reply to  Ecsta C3PO

I thought of that too. It seems like either the thing would snap within a few seconds, or be fine. As a non metallurgist, my prediction would have been toward the snapping outcome so I’m fascinated on the physics of how this works.

Goose
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Goose
7 minutes ago
Reply to  JJ

Yes, there is a loss. I’m not sure of the specifics here, but with flexible shaft drives you typically get some portion of that compressive bending force back on the opposite side of the shaft as it “springs” back, but not all. I’d imagine that shaft got warm and had some interesting harmonics. But you also have to remember U-Joints and CV joints also have parasitic losses, so I wonder how this compares to those.

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SCOTT MARDON
SCOTT MARDON
44 minutes ago

Made famous in My Cousin Vinny.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
37 minutes ago
Reply to  SCOTT MARDON

Did you say utes?

Autonerdery
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Autonerdery
46 minutes ago

I wonder if the vertical strakes under the rear bumper on that red convertible in the topshot were a bit of a stylistic Easter egg linking the Poncho to its distant cousin, the Corvair, which had a similar set under its front bumper.

Tondeleo Jones
Tondeleo Jones
47 minutes ago

This article brought back memories of the ’61 Pontiac Tempest and ’62 Olds F85 I drove as a teenager. Not that I was a GM fan, these cars were cheap, available and fairly easy easy to wrench on.
The Tempest broke down one evening and by the time I came back with some buddies to drag it home, the authorities had snatched it. The Oldsmobile was sold to help finance the purchase of a new ’74 Capri.
And imagine my surprise to see a link in the article to a blog I kept up a long time ago. Yep, the Herald’s (and other’s) axles swing!

MikuhlBrian
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MikuhlBrian
54 minutes ago

The 1963 Pontiac Tempest convertible was also the car that made those two, equal length tire marks outside the Sac’ O Suds, and not a 64 Buick Skylark convertible.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
51 minutes ago
Reply to  MikuhlBrian

Both available in metallic mint green paint too!

MikuhlBrian
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MikuhlBrian
48 minutes ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Neither of which could be confused with the Corvette.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
56 minutes ago

I didn’t know the early 60s tempest had a rear transaxle. Was it just the alloy of the shaft that allowed the bend in it? At what RPM did the shaft stop bending and explode?

JJ
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JJ
40 minutes ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

I assume if this thing was known for blowing up it would be included in the article. Assuming it was reliable, tip of the hat to GM for coming up with this.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
28 minutes ago
Reply to  JJ

That wasn’t a reliability question. that was honest. did the RPM max of the driveshaft significantly exceed that of the engine? Did they blow up when abused while racing? I’m curious about the technical limits of the tech as they used it.

JJ
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JJ
7 minutes ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Ah. I just looked up another article which pointed out that, since it was before the transaxle (and therefore torque multiplication) it did not have as much stress as a typical driveshaft. I know this post mentioned the dimensions but seeing the picture of how skinny the “rope” was made me appreciate this is not your usual driveshaft. I realize none of that answers the question regarding its limitations. Then again, if it is just a solid skinny rod, I’m not sure it can “blow up” the way we typically think of it. But obviously, like everything, it would fail one way or another eventually.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 hour ago

Okay now I am going to see if I can find any of those wagons for sale locally (not that I have the money or space for one right now haha)

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
1 hour ago

Was this the original RopaDopa?

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
1 hour ago

If you plan on using one of these as a getaway car for a robbery, trying to blame Ralph Macchio will ultimately not work.

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
1 hour ago

Guess you can’t blame this one on cocaine.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
15 minutes ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

Cocaine? No, just a healthy, doctor recommended diet high in cigarettes and Scotch

Fruit Snack
Fruit Snack
1 hour ago

Darn, I was hoping for pictures of the shaft, he said innocently.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 hour ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

Obligatory: that’s what she said.

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
1 hour ago

..waiting for the moon landing deniers to enter the chat lol – what a cool car, I would love one with a hopped up 421 woof.

Beasy Mist
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Beasy Mist
1 hour ago

I can’t articulate exactly why but categorizing the Quad4 as a “failure” doesn’t sit right with me, despite me having no particular love for that engine.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
1 hour ago

“Rope drive” is such a hilarious idea. It gives me the mental image of a car powered by a Gilligan’s Island style coconut-shell waterwheel up front with a long rope-and-pulley to the rear wheels.

TK-421
TK-421
1 hour ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

I can see The Professor with a clip board watching Gilligan test it in the quarter mile while Skipper is holding his hat.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
1 hour ago
Reply to  TK-421

“Tonight, on Trop Gear:”

JDE
JDE
1 hour ago

Question is, who copied who on the half a V8 4 banger? International or Pontiac?

Cletus8269
Cletus8269
1 hour ago
Reply to  JDE

ive got a 1962 Scout 80 with the 152 commanche. it’ll barely get out of its own way, but its hammer dumb reliable. its my “street tractor” lol

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

From the ad: “They’re all duck soup for the Tempest”

Now there’s an expression that should make a comeback.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

I absolutely love ad copy from that era. It’s got such a Mad Men vibe. I just picture a bunch of guys around a conference table heavily downing scotch and pulling deeply on cigarettes.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Cars? I've owned a few
Fruit Snack
Fruit Snack
1 hour ago

The copy in that Buick Skylark ad is kind of nauseating…

Autonerdery
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Autonerdery
1 hour ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

That’s it, you’re banished from Dreamsville!

JJ
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JJ
1 hour ago

Not just any cigarettes, but Lucky Strikes: they’re toasted.

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