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I Don’t Really Understand Why Pontiac Needed Two Rebadged Vegas At The Same Time

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The Chevy Vega has a well-earned reputation for being an unmitigated, steaming pile. The car managed to rust away when still new, the engines overheated, and when they weren’t overheating, they had leaky valve stem seals and piston rings wore off cylinder coatings. Oh, and they had taillights that were liars. They were, charitably, garbage. Initially, Vegas were only sold as Chevys, but soon these “H-platform” cars were available to GM’s other marques, including Pontiac.

Pontiac, somehow, got two of them, the Astre and the Sunbird. Who did Pontiac piss off?

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Initially, in 1973 and 1974, the Astre was only sold in Canadian Pontiac dealers, but American Pontiac dealers were soon blessed with these heaps in 1975, when they also got the Pontiac Sunbird, which was itself a badge-engineered variant of the also Vega-based Chevy Monza.

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Really, these were actually kind of nice-looking cars, nicely proportioned and detailed. Looks weren’t really the problem with these.

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I’m not really clear what the difference was supposed to be between the Astre and Sunbird; I think the Sunbird was supposed to be a bit sportier? The Astre is up there, in that parking lot with those terrible wire wheels, and as you can see it has round sealed-beam headlights and a typically split Pontiac grille made of vertical rectangular segments. Let’s look at a Sunbird now:

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There it is, being laughed at by people on the damn bus, the worst possible humiliation and the likely mode of transport for that Sunbird owner in the near, grim future.

As you can see, the Sunfire had a flatter hood and front fenders, quad rectangular sealed-beam lights, a honeycomb grille pattern and other styling changes. Under the skin, it’s still a vague Vega, though, so don’t get your hopes up.

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Of course, you could get a Sunbird with a vinyl roof, this one including a “formal window,” according to the caption, which is what I guess Pontiac was calling opera windows for their cars that had effectively zero chance of being seen at an opera.

Also, what the hell is going on in this picture? Did that dog walker get so excited by that Sunbird that he had to, what, look in the passenger’s seat? What’s he looking at? And what’s he wearing? Is that yellow-and-green cap and stripey-back vest some kind of dog-walker’s uniform? Those blurry dogs are kind of hard to read, but I think one is one of those narrow Afghan rich people dogs. And I do like that 1966-ish Mercedes-Benz 200 behind the Sunbird.

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Look at the carmel-colored wonderland of the interior here. I remember these interiors, with their wood appliqués and fussy plastichrome trim and seats that in the summer would adhere to bare thighs with the tenacity of a lamprey on a whale. Even when near-new, everything in here felt like it was about to fall apart. And usually did.

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There’s an interesting illustration/photo composite in this brochure, showing an Astre hatchback in the middle, surrounded by subscale paintings of its competition. Let’s see if we can identify them all! From left to right, it looks like we have an AMC Hornet, a Volkswagen Rabbit with a funny grille, a car I thought was captive-import Dodge/Mitsubishi Colt, but now I’m not so sure. What is that? A Datsun? Hm. I’m not certain.

On the other side, things get even weirder. That first car next to the Astre looks kinda like a..Pinto? The next car is even weirder; I swear it looks kinda like a Peugeot 504 Coupé. But that would be ridiculous. Next to that, it looks like an AMC Matador? Maybe a Chevy II? And next to that could be a Chevette or even a Ford Fiesta with a weird grille. I really can’t tell, but I’m still certain almost any of those are a better choice than the Astre.

Two! Pontiac was trying to sell two versions of this heap! I guess Chevy was doing the same thing with the Vega and Monza, but still, what a weird time. A weird, kinda delightfully crappy time!

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Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
23 minutes ago

That Sunbird with the “FORMULA” graphics sure seems to qualify for Glorious Garbage.

Matt Sexton
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Matt Sexton
30 minutes ago

I mean, I don´t really understand why modern OEMs need three different ¨crossover¨ SUVs all built on the same platform and sized within about four inches of each other either, but here we are.

Last edited 29 minutes ago by Matt Sexton
Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito
35 minutes ago

I always saw the Astre as a “1st Gen” and the Sunbird as a “2nd Gen” when it came to the H-Body cars. Curious that they offered them both at the same time for a little while, but it’s not unheard of for car companies (especially GM) to do that in order to offer the older one as a cheaper value car. It also didn’t help that the import market was eating GM’s lunch when it came to small cars, so they probably figured that two small cars in showrooms were better than one.

Also, the Sunbird Formula was one of the coolest cars in late 70’s Pontiac showrooms. You could get them with a 305 V8 and a 4-speed, making it sort of a mini-Trans Am.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
50 minutes ago

I had always thought Monza and Sunbird were intended as do-over fresh starts to overcome the negative reputation of the Vega, in true GM tradition of constantly renaming cars (as opposed to, like, Honda and Toyota sticking with the same small car nameplates for a half century because they never screwed them up), but the Monza in particular overlapped quite a bit with its predecessor. Also, despite its poor rep, Vega sales volumes never really suffered from it, they actually posted gains after the rust and engine problems made national news, people really seemed fine with overlooking that stuff, unlike on the later Citation, which fell off a cliff immediately and never recovered. I’d guess they were trying to aim for different market segments, post 1973 oil embargo, when it seemed like small cars would just completely take over the whole market so automakers would need multiple models optimized for various narrow niches to replace all their lost big car sales. Monza and Sunbird seem somewhat vaguely upscale or sportier from the original models, which were probably intended to continue as the bread and butter options

Aaron Headly
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Aaron Headly
58 minutes ago

I used to work with Wayne Gapp’s son, and he would drive cars he scrounged from his dad’s shop. For a while, that was an Iron Duke-equipped Sunbird from the seventies. That was a crappy car. It was in perfect shape, but it was crappy.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
59 minutes ago

I kind of read the styling the opposite way. The fastback Astre is more sporty, the notchback Sunbird more formal, even without the vinyl top and opera windows. Also, you time traveled in one of your references, calling the Sunbird a Sunfire. That was a different heap.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 hour ago

This was a matter of “in with the new, keep making the old”. GM made a habit out of continuing to produce an old generation even after a new one was introduced.
And since every GM dealer HAD to have what every other GM dealer had, you get crap like this.

1BigMitsubishiFamily
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1BigMitsubishiFamily
1 hour ago

But Jason, look at the stunning almost squared-off edginess of the Sunbird compared to the fuddy-duddy rounded off roof and headlight barrel contouring of the Astre. The Sunbird was in a completely different league with all of the looks and none of the sizzle.

Last edited 1 hour ago by 1BigMitsubishiFamily
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago

It’s really quite simple:
Astre competed with Pinto, while Sunbird competed with Mustang II.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
1 hour ago

I mean, you say heap, but I really think you mean pile

William Domer
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William Domer
36 minutes ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

Pontiac. We build excrement

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