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I Owe David An Apology, And Let’s Remember There Would Be No Autopian Without David Tracy

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So on Friday I wrote one of our Tales From The Slack posts, where we reveal a bit about the inner workings, behind-the-scenes dirt about our site. It’s a members-only post, so perhaps you didn’t see it (also this is a good opportunity to really take a moment and consider becoming a member) but the gist of it is that David and I were arguing the relative importance of the visuals of the site, and then afterwards I noticed an unedited screenshot he had in a post that had a huge ad in it that said something about six months of unexplained diarrhea. I thought it was a funny post that poked fun at David good-naturedly, but based on some of the comments, I think I may have gone too far, and I’d like to use today’s Cold Start to just make a few things clear.

Also, I’m going to throw in a few pictures of cars, too, and maybe a line or two about them, because, for the moment at least, we’re a car site and not an apology site. That honor goes to our sister site we’ll be launching soon, Atonepian.

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We do tend to make fun of David a fair amount here, because, well, it is a lot of fun. And he has been generous with providing us with material to have fun with, from classics like the shower spaghetti to his impressively limited, near-Amish-levels of exposure to most of pop culture. There’s a lot to work with there. But as much fun as all the teasing we do is, I’m afraid it’s causing some unwanted side effects, specifically that it’s overshadowing all that David does and is capable of doing.

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Also, here’s some interesting old Renaults: a Dauphine, up top, and below, based on the Dauphine’s rear-engine design, the 1959 concept Project 900, which looks like a wagon until you realize it’s backwards.

I know there is something that drives David absolutely bonkers, and that’s the way people tend to perceive those who are a little goofy, or are willing to laugh at themselves and have the courage to let themselves not be taken so seriously all the damn time. Often, the assumption is that such people aren’t capable of important things or just capable in general, and this idea is, of course, idiotic. Some of the smartest and most capable people in human history have also been incredible goofballs, and I feel like the trap of not realizing this is a genuine problem.

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So with that in mind, let me make a few things absolutely clear, just so we’re all on the same page: the would be no Autopian without David. Period. That’s just how it is. David is the big wet pulsating brain in the re-animated cadaver that is this website, and it is David who dictates and defines our editorial standards, which, I believe, are the best in the industry.

Before we founded the Autopian, I had an offer – a good offer – to go from the Old Site to Another Car Site. I decided against it, because I knew any future automotive journalism venture I may undertake would have to involve David as my partner, because I trust his ability, talent, and judgement more than anyone else. That may have seemed like a gamble, but the truth is it wasn’t. Deciding to throw the future of my career in with David was the easiest decision I could make.

Do you understand how incredible it is to have an actual automotive engineer as Editor-in-Chief of a website? It’s amazing. There’s a reason David’s technical deep dives are unmatched in the space; he has an actual, genuine engineer’s understanding of what makes cars work, and the rare ability to translate that in a form more engineering-impaired folks can comprehend.

With that in mind, here’s a nice image of an engine:

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That’s a 1963 Austin engine. I think a diesel one?

David designed the cooling system of the current-generation Jeep Wrangler. What other major automotive publication around today can say that their editor-in-chief was behind a crucial technical system of cars that are being sold right at this moment? The more you think about that, the more incredible it is.

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The editorial standards and practices David has set for the site are the key to our success, and we will cleave to them as long as we can, because the results are worth it. David is the moral compass of our site, too; where my own moral compass is a de-magnetized, imprecise thing, David’s true and unyielding, and that goes for life as well as on the pages of this site.

David holds himself to standards of behavior, and he sticks to those standards with a truly impressive tenacity. If your job was to lure David into violating his moral code, perhaps hired by some rival publication or perhaps a cabal of Freemasons and corrupt auto executives, you’d find that job nearly impossible.

David is wildly generous – he’s given me two entire motor vehicles since we’ve started this site – and when he’s generous, you can see it’s just an innate part of his character, completely unforced and natural. I’ve seen it so many times, in so many ways, I feel like I don’t even notice it anymore. But I should.

When I joke about David getting in moods and wanting to get as much published as possible or whatever, I feel like it’s worth clarifying why that happens: because David is laser-focused on making this site a success. In that Tales From The Slack post, I think I gave an impression of David sort of manically wanting stories and content to get up, and while that worked for the context of my narrative, it’s worth noting in more detail what is really going on. He’s just trying to make the site the best it can be for all of you who read it, and that goal drives him, and if we do end up being successful long-term, that will be at the root of why it happened.

If he has decided we need stories up at a particular time, that comes from a lot of careful thought and evaluation of metrics, numbers, and instinct. There are reasons behind these decisions, and they’re all in service of making this site work.

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That’s a Ford Model T chassis; David was once seriously considering buying a Model T and trying to use it as a daily driver, something I still hope happens, just so he can offer to drive someone somewhere and just tell them he’s outside in a “black Ford” and then see their faces when they see that rattly Model T bouncing towards them.

I’m writing this because it’s become clear that some scales have swung out of balance, and there needs to be some re-calibration here. I doubt we’ll ever quit teasing David, publicly or privately, about any number of things. We do that because we love David, but the price of that privilege is that maybe every so often the actual reality needs to be restated: David is the engine of this site, the chassis rails that keep the vehicle strong, and the fuel that keeps it running.

This is indisputable, and remains so regardless of arguments we may have regarding image standards or how he has no idea what entire genres of pop culture are about or how much of his blood is rust or anything like that. The point here is that David, whom I feel I am guilty of mocking just bit too much without proper context, is one of the most determined and capable people I know, and I simply could not do any of this without him.

There are plenty of funny things about David, and I have the luxury of calling those out because I know they’re supported by one of the smartest, kindest, and most worthwhile people I’ve ever met, and someone without whom this site would simply not exist.

I still think the diarrhea thing was funny, though.

 

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Fuzzyweis
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Fuzzyweis
5 months ago

Having followed since the old site I think I took the article as intended, mainly a usual rant by Jason, like the Tales about cold starts a couple months ago, but in hindsight new members may not have got the same vibe.

It’s tough to balance playful comradery with the respect owed the EIC position, Tales from the Slack is a member’s only section so that’s a better place for it than a regular article, but there’s also the old managerial policy of praise in public, critique in private. Also best not to let the kids see mommy and daddy fighting.

It would have been nice in the Tales article to have a rebuttal from David, I think that may have helped balance it out, or even a chime in by Matt, there wasn’t even an editorial note in that Tales which is kind of out of the regular right?

Torque
Torque
5 months ago

When y’all were at the old german lighting site I found myself reading your articles Torch And David’s dramatically disproportionately more than any other writers.

And at least for probably 2 years before you left wondering to myself why you two didn’t create your own site, especially with the negative changes that were bringing the old place down and solid talent fleeing.

Therefore after this place got going it really was a no trainer.
The Autopian has stayed as an open tab on my phone browser ever since it launched

ExAutoJourno
ExAutoJourno
5 months ago

Nice grovelage, Torch.

But to be REALLY fair to David, the images of cars you supplied should have more than the usual share of rust. Or be covered in 50-year-old grease.

Bearddevil
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Bearddevil
5 months ago

Completely off-topic, but the lack of crossmembers in that Model T truck frame really explains why those things have so much articulation. There’s no torsional rigidity there. Good thing there’s also not a lot of power to pretzel the frame.

Jay Vette
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Jay Vette
5 months ago
Reply to  Bearddevil

This is why the doors on a Model T are never really able to stay closed lol

sentinelTk
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sentinelTk
5 months ago

From the bottom of my heart, thank you David for making this place exist. I’ll still keep making car hoarder relapse jokes in the comments, but seriously, you are an amazing captain for this ship.

Cheers.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
5 months ago

Atonepian.

Oh boy, I have a lot to atone for. I’m sorry to those two Dodge Caravans that I drove so hard until they burned to the ground. I’m sorry for subjecting somewhat rare cars to mold. I’m sorry for the fact that there’s still probably a key to a Ford F-350 on I-70 in Hagerstown right now. Oh, and I’m sorry to the 2023 Indian Challenger Dark Horse for assuming its seat was so hard that it made my butt bleed. Turns out, it was just red Gatorade (as I mentioned in the piece, but still).

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
5 months ago

Allow me to mine my Catholic upbringing for suitable penance:

Trail Mercy, an off-road race
The Tor be Chinsky.
Blessed Smart car amongst crawlers
and blessed be the fruit of thine efforts: railroads.
Kickass Mercy, Mother of Buses,
Slayyy for us Bimmers now,
and at the hour of our debt,
Amen.

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
4 months ago

> assuming its seat was so hard that it made my butt bleed

What a horrifying thought!

Icouldntfindaclevername
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Icouldntfindaclevername
5 months ago

Google shower spaghetti and the first hit is The Autopian and the first image hit is The Autopian LOL

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
5 months ago

I would be Very worried if it were not!

David Tracy
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David Tracy
5 months ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

As would I.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
5 months ago
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Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
4 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

My life is complete, I can go easy into the earth now, the human race has reached perfection.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
5 months ago

No recipes?

1 can spaghetti. None of that fancy Chef Boyardee, store brand.

15-18 gallons water.

Shampoo to taste.

Combine on chest, feet and private parts.

10001010
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10001010
5 months ago

As a regular reader, member, and fan who followed you guys over from the old site I think I can speak for most of us when I say we appreciate both what both of you guys have built. Seriously, this site wouldn’t be what it is without DT but it also wouldn’t be what it is without you. It’s the 50/50 blend of both you nutters and the amazing staff you’ve assembled that we come here for.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
5 months ago
Reply to  10001010

Hear! Hear! David and Torch were literally the only reason I ever went to late-stage old site and why I followed and became a member to this site. I just saw the referenced article as a peek behind the curtain at the (totally expected) differences of priorities in keeping the site going. Just with their backgrounds, it’s expected that they’re going to be “wired” a bit differently from each other.

Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
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Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
5 months ago

I share the same near Amish level of cultural ambivalence / willful ignorance, and often feel like one of the two dogs in the nuclear war Far Side comic when navigating society. I’ve even received similar apologies when I did not realize that I had been lampooned in the first place. But it clearly takes the whole crew, and well stated.

Danster
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Danster
5 months ago

I get it, the best friendships have no sacred rules and brutal retorts with no boundaries are a priceless part of that. I have always worked PT in bike shops cuz I’m a fixer. Had 4 hours of brain surgery and the crew now calls me half a brain Dan. I think it’s out of love, at least I hope so?

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
4 months ago
Reply to  Danster

Half brain? Did the surgeons stuff another quarter in there?

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
5 months ago

something that drives David absolutely bonkers, and that’s the way people tend to perceive those who are a little goofy

And he’s NOT Hyucking around!

As a technician, David is my natural enemy. For his design decisions that make my life hell are “just following orders” of the bean counters, who are the REAL enemy.

But, I do enjoy his work immensely, and I don’t work for Stellantis or drive their products, so his design decisions do not haunt me.

My parting shot across the bow is the mental image of David stuck in traffic in his K1500, it reminds me of the diarrhea song.

When you’re sittin’ in your Chevy, and you feel something heavy DIARRHEA.

Fredzy
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Fredzy
5 months ago

Pretty weird to read this article, honestly.

Real talk, when I saw the Diarrhea headline I thought it was going to be making fun of David’s writing style. I am an engineer and I like David, but most of the time I find his articles almost laborious to follow along reading and am reluctant to invest the time into them, especially if browsing on mobile.

David Tracy
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David Tracy
5 months ago
Reply to  Fredzy

While you might think I’d be annoyed by someone coming onto my website to declare that they think my writing — which I take a lot of pride in — is diarrhea, you are a paying member of the website I co-built, so all I can say is: Thank you for being a member of this community! (Also, the fact that this writing-criticism is coming from an engineer helps, too. lol).

Fredzy
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Fredzy
5 months ago
Reply to  David Tracy

I appreciate that acknowledgment and would like to add some context post-cooldown. While my opinion as-shared is honest, I should have added that I never would have referred to your writing as diarrhea-like. But anyhow I let that link lay there and it was cruel.

So for context 1. being concise in my communications is my forever ‘needs work’ weak point, so I see myself in your writing and that is triggering and 2. my precious Jason can do no wrong (except the Changli battery chainsaw thing) so hasty defensiveness played a role in my comment for sure.

David Tracy
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David Tracy
5 months ago
Reply to  Fredzy

I full endorse you calling my writing diarrhea if it was out of love for Jason. He is the best!

Peter d
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Peter d
5 months ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Okay, here is the thing – David writes long articles sometimes, but usually because there is a lot of detail and content to go over with what he is trying to convey. I think in our current addle-minded lives, long form articles can be a tough fit, but some things are more complicated than a twenty minute TED talk or 1,000 word article can convey.

David does write smoothly, such that the text is easy to digest, and relatively quick to read relative to the number of words, but I will admit that sometimes I begin to skip over sections or read them in chunks because I just don’t have the time for a long read – maybe we need to start putting “this article will take XX minutes to read” like on substack on these articles, so us readers can plan – if we see a David article that is going to take 30 minutes to read we can wait for the evening after the steak and potatoes to have the time to luxuriate with his writing.

Finally, while often attributed to Mark Twain, but more likely from Blaise Pascal, “I would have written a shorter letter, but did not have the time.” is a real thing. (And I think this sentiment goes back even farther – I think maybe Pliny the Elder said something like this). Being concise takes time, and The Autopian has a blog to update and keep current!

Fredzy
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Fredzy
4 months ago
Reply to  Peter d

You summed up pretty well how I feel. I’m not afraid of a long read. The only two online news sites I pay for, I do so because of the value in the (typically) longer form articles. One is NYT and the other I don’t even need to pay for to get that stuff, is Autopian. I’m a member here because it’s the best car site, I love these guys and I want it to do well. This is partly why I shared my thoughts.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
4 months ago
Reply to  Fredzy

I feel bad that I need to de-prioritize the long articles until I have the time and attention to give them their due.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
5 months ago
Reply to  Fredzy

Comparing something to diarrhea is very context sensitive.

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
4 months ago
Reply to  Fredzy

The word “logorrhea” is available for the next time. :p

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
5 months ago
Reply to  David Tracy

I would put the same thing as, even written for the layperson your technical deep dives are sufficiently deep to be a challenging climb for me since I’m more on Jason’s end of the car-appreciating spectrum.
And possibly the autism spectrum.

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
4 months ago
Reply to  David Tracy

You’re one of the most readable technical writers I’ve read: the information is both precise and accurate, detailed, and usually broken with fun anecdotes or “human interest” tidbits to keep them engaging.

Huibert is another one of those engineers who can write their asses off.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
5 months ago

When I read the original post, I was just happy that David didn’t have diarrhea for 6 months. The rest of it was, for me, just an illustration of the way you work in harmony, or tension, with each other to produce a high quality product. I did not see it as denigrating the skills or contribution of anyone, because you all don’t operate that way. From today’s post, I can tell it bugged you all weekend and that just shows your character.

Nick
Nick
5 months ago

I’m glad I live in a world where there are people willing to make fun of each other, but ready to embrace each other when overdone. Now back to making fun of him, please.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
5 months ago
Reply to  Nick

Well, in this particular part of the world. I vaguely remember that being a more widespread thing.

Iotashan
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Iotashan
5 months ago

Ok the Tales From The Slack post was clearly a joke. I mean… the screenshot needed to be edited, yeah, but I never got the impression anyone was doing anything other than sharing a funny.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
5 months ago
Reply to  Iotashan

I thought that’s what Tales From the Slack was supposed to be. Almost an “Office” sitcom style of happenings. I wish we had something like that here at my job, goofy stuff happens all the time at work.

Church
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Church
5 months ago

which looks like a wagon until you realize it’s backwards

Ahhhhhh! Kill it with fire!

On topic though, what an absolute love letter to David. Well deserved. There is a reason I came over from the old site, and it was not taillight content alone. David is a big part of what makes the Autopian great.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
5 months ago

David was once seriously considering buying a Model T and trying to use it as a daily driver….”

I dunno – a Model T seems too done.

Now if he can find a 1919 Dodge like the one George Bailey drove in “It’s a Wonderful Life”….
…just avoid the trees.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/buying-and-selling/auctions/george-baileys-wonderful-life-dodge-isnt-getting-wings-but-it-may-soon-have-a-new-owner/#:~:text=George%20Bailey's%201919%20Dodge%20phaeton,Obviously%2C%20that%20time%20has%20come.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Two words: steam car.

Dumb Shadetree
Dumb Shadetree
5 months ago

This is a glimpse into German leadership at its best. Focused, data driven, efficient, and rejecting of wasteful distractions.

Unfortunately, German leadership can be accompanied by German humor. C’mon David, diarrhea is funny. I mean, not when you personally have it. Or when your kid has it. But the idea of diarrhea when you’re not personally experiencing it? It’s funny.

The Bishop's Brother
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The Bishop's Brother
5 months ago

What does it say that the not only did Jason write this, but it came perhaps… A little earlier than cold starts sometimes do… The respect and rapport between the folks running the Autopian is a major part of why we’re all here. Well, that and the next article involving a top shot with the entirety of some car’s fluids dumping onto some poor driveway while one of the editors stares in briefly-stunned silence.
Hmmm – have y’all considered doing a set of sponsored posts with companies that sell products to clean oil, etc out of concrete driveways and garages? Asking for… A “friend”

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
5 months ago

This seems wildly over the top for an article that wasn’t that big of a deal but.. ok

Banana Stand Money
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Banana Stand Money
5 months ago

I re-read the article again today and all I see is good natured ribbing between friends that know each other very well. I suppose some people perceived that as mean spirited, or whatever.,

Thank you Torch and David, and all of the other amazing team members that make this the best car site in the world. Keep the ship on course and don’t forget to laugh and poke a little fun from time to time.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
5 months ago

All together now

(Twisting hat in hands and shifting from foot to foot)

“We’re sorry David.”

Martin Ibert
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Martin Ibert
5 months ago

I have read the article in question, and it was indeed my impression that you were poking friendly fun at David (and I fully agree with you that the screen shot needed to be edited).
If someone made fun of me in that way, I would laugh about it and myself with no problem and no ill feelings.

Beachbumberry
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Beachbumberry
5 months ago

I spent nearly 10 years as a flightline technician in the air force and then the next near decade as an engine technician in an aerospace company. Thick skin comes with the territory in a lot of industries and being surrounded by excellent writers with quick wit probably takes even thicker skin. But it take a lot to recognize too far and adjust. This shows the humanity of David, Jason, and the entire publication staff here. Well done and thanks for keeping it real.

Last edited 5 months ago by Beachbumberry
Andy Farrell
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Andy Farrell
5 months ago

Without going back and rereading the comments or the article, I would say I did not get that vibe from it. But maybe that’s because I know how the two of you work together, or at least I think I have a good understanding of it.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
5 months ago
Reply to  Andy Farrell

Same. I read it, got a mild chuckle from the gag, and didn’t really return to it, but since it was a members-only piece, I figured anyone who’s a member read it in a similar fashion, seeing a really good friend make fun of the other precisely (and only) b/c they’re such good friends.

I mean Adrian regularly mocks/calls into question everyone’s intelligence and/or taste, yet I just know he likely wears teal autopian-logo pajamas to bed every night.

Last edited 5 months ago by Jack Trade
R53forfun
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R53forfun
5 months ago
Reply to  Andy Farrell

Same here.

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