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It Sucks, But Sometimes You Have To Pay For A Car Just To Exist

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The cars I love are not for everyone. I don’t just mean obscure French wagons or micro Japanese off-roaders that fill my stray thoughts. I mean the kinds of sports cars and hatchbacks that were once common on America’s roads. It’s awkward to admit, but even the sportiest hatchbacks of yore were economy cars underneath and were therefore built on affordable bones. That doesn’t work anymore.

I’ve been putting off writing up a review of the 2025 Mazda3 2.5T Premium Plus AWD because I liked the car. It would be much easier if I didn’t. The problem is the price. Six months ago, when I tested it, the Mazda was $38,865. While that’s lower than the $50,000 average transaction price, it’s still a lot for a compact hatchback.

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It being built in Japan creates more problems, which I’ll get into.

My first instinct was to complain. To point out that in 2005, a nice Mazda3 hatch cost around $20,130 on the high end, which is roughly $34,000 with inflation. This car is nicer, sure, and more advanced in many ways. Perhaps a closer analog would be the Mazdaspeed3, which cost around $23,000 in 2007 when it debuted.

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This site is known for vigorously complaining about the lack of affordability in new cars, and I’ve written at length about it. That’s all still valid. New cars are too expensive, and while some of it can be attributed to things people want (safety, connectivity, performance, reliability), the pursuit of higher margins and over-featuring plays a role as well.

I’m of a different mind with this car. If you buy this specific vehicle, you are not just paying for the car. Your dollars are not solely going to the engineering, the marketing, the building, and the shipping. You are paying for this car to exist. You are paying for there to be a sufficient margin to offset the loss in volume.

Rather than review the car, I’m going to try and justify its existence.

Let’s Do A Little Math

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The math can get complex, so I’ll simplify it using some very general numbers. In 2005, Mazda sold 97,388 Mazda3s in total (according to GoodCarBadCar.net). In 2024, Mazda sold 38,877. For the sake of math, I’ll assume a 5% margin; if the average price between all models was $17,500, those cars yielded a profit of about $85 million. Not bad.

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Let’s look at today. If Mazda wanted to make $85 million in profit (and not the inflation-adjusted amount), it would need to make $2,200 a car, basically. The new car is between $25k-38k, so if we skew towards a lower average of $30k, that’s a 7.3% margin.

Other than the sales volume, these numbers are just rough estimates to demonstrate a point. I don’t know the specific margin Mazda made on these cars or how much discounting occurred, et cetera. But for the sake of hypothetical math, if Mazda wanted to make the same inflation-adjusted amount of money (so, roughly $163 million), then the company would need to make $4,193 per car, or a 14% margin on average.

In reality, Mazda is historically a much lower margin automaker, meaning that 14% is a stretch. Back in 2005, that number was maybe closer to 3%. My point is that as these cars sell in lower numbers, either they have to get cheaper to build or, to some degree, nicer and more expensive.

A good example is the Nissan Sentra. This is a cheap sedan meant to sell in volume. While there are nicer trims, Nissan has no real issue with positioning the Sentra as a good enough car at a good enough price. Yes, Mazda has a lower trim option (a FWD S sedan is about $26,000), but that’s not the one you want.

The hatch is the car to have, either in FWD spec with the manual (starting around $33,000) or loaded to the hilt in turbo premium trim.

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What You Get For Your $38,000

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Above is the window sticker for this car, just to give you a sense of all the stuff that’s in it. It’s a lot!

When spec’d above, the starting price is $36,950, because that comes with almost everything. The good power seats, the 227-horsepower turbo engine with 310 lb-ft of torque, the 18-inch black wheels, AWD, the nice leather-trimmed bits, and the adaptive lighting.

The only true option here is the $595 for the Soul Red Crystal paint. As discussed, there’s almost no better red on the planet, so it’s probably worthwhile. This is one of the best-looking cars being sold today. It feels great to drive, and it doesn’t have a lot of specific cars to compare to, as it exists in an interesting space in the market.

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I would take one of these over a BMW X1 or Mercedes GLA, if you want something on the smaller end that’s luxurious and AWD. Those cars are both $43,000+ cars. If you don’t care about spinning all four wheels, a Golf GTI is $33,000 and has some advantages. A fairer comparison to that vehicle is the similarly-priced manual Mazda3.

There’s clearly still a market for these cars, as tens of thousands of people are lining up for one every year. The car isn’t the default choice, though, as that’s probably the Mazda CX-50 or Mazda CX-5. The Mazda3 in hatchback bodystyle is something you have to want, and if you want it, you’ll have to pay for it. If you want value, the value car for Mazda is now a crossover.

An interesting alternative will come in the form of the Kia K4 Hatch, which won’t be as nice or as powerful, but has the aesthetic down. I’d also entertain an argument that the Prius Prime XSE is in the conversation.

You Can Play This Game With All Sorts Of Cars

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To some extent, the fun cars have always come with a bit of a price premium. Even in the late 1970s, when Camaro sales were at their peak, the muscle car was being outsold by the mediocre Malibu (which could be had as a coupe, wagon, or sedan). The volumes used to be much higher, though, and with smaller volumes must come a higher price.

It’s easier to justify this price, perhaps, when it’s a car like the Mustang GTD, where you can see all the work that went into making one specific car. It gets a little harder with something like a Volkswagen Golf R, which costs almost $50,000, or the price of a nicely-equipped Ford Mustang GT. When you compare it to regular cars, the number is even harder to comprehend. For the price of a Golf R, you can have a Woodland Edition Sienna and haul all of your friends.

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The same goes for the Corolla GR or Subaru WRX, or just about any car you think is fun. Now that the base version of these cars is no longer the most popular vehicle in any specific lineup, the costs are going to have to go up to keep bringing them to market.

It’s not great. It’s not my preferred outcome. I wish more people were buying hatchbacks than crossovers because that’s what I like.

So, Is It Worth It?

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Rather than complain about the high prices of enthusiast cars, I think the better question is: Is it worth the money? Do I get, as Matt Farah might ask, a $38,000 driving experience out of this car?

I’d say the answer is “yes” on this specific car. On aesthetics alone, there are few cars in any price range that can touch it. The rear seat is usable. Dynamically, it’s a modern Mazda, so it is incredibly composed even if you try to drive it like a wang. With the turbo motor and AWD, it leaps to 60 mph in under 6 seconds and keeps pulling until you’re already above the speed limit.

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There’s a caveat, though. I drove this car, and then I drove my friend’s Mazda3. He’s a professional car designer and loves the look of the hatchback. Like any decent fellow, he wanted a stick, so he had to opt for the FWD non-turbo. This is a shortcoming in the lineup. If you’re already making me pay a high price for a car, I’d hope to be able to get it in the best spec.

At around $33,000, the non-turbo manual hatch is probably the best enthusiast version of this car, though even that feels like a lot of money to me. I guess this is me talking myself out of the premise of this whole post. I want these cars to exist, and I’m willing to pay for them. At the same time, I struggle with the notion of actually doing so.

This is the challenge of modern car enthusiasm, and I think it explains why, for instance, this 20-year-old Volvo wagon is already being bid up to $19,000 on Cars & Bids. Fewer and fewer of these cars will exist, so the options are to get the nice new version with a warranty now or pay out-the-nose for something older and, probably, less reliable.

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MST3Karr
MST3Karr
1 month ago

Sounds like a fun car but I’m having trouble with the styling- high beltline and too much uninterrupted space under it.

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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Having now read the whole article… I don’t know if I will ever buy a brand new car.

When I have, I’ve kept them for a long time. Almost 17 years for the last one and I am 8 years into my current one. And it’s a Honda with slightly less than 70K miles on the clock, so unless I get clobbered, I won’t have to make a purchasing decision anytime soon.

Recommended maintenance, including a timing belt replacement in a year or two vs a new car payment is a pretty easy choice to make.

And I really do like my Accord. I just wish people would stop inflicting minor wounds to it in parking lots. The Sentra rental I drove a month ago was surprisingly decent, CVT and all, but I am not trading the Accord in for a newer car and a loan.

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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Well, those were some fun shoes in the 2nd picture. Something my 31-year-old son would wear on weekends when he’s not being an attorney.

You’re not wrong about the Crystal Red. It’s gorgeous and I don’t usually like red.

But that price! I could replace my ’17 Accord with a new one for less.

My kid with the whimsical weekend shoes got a non-Turbo CX-5 for a lot less. But it’s not red. 🙁

Will Ratliffe
Will Ratliffe
1 month ago

So many new “cars” are stupid. The performance of 1980’s supercars on tap but never used, double the size and capacity anyone actually needs (so doible the weitht), and about a quarter the fuel economy that a rational society would demand. Our 2011 VW Golf TDI Sportwagen has a combination of performance, fuel economy and load capacity that is still hard to match. We live in a windy area so the extra NOx we spew (yes, we had the upgrade) blows away so that’s fine.

MikeInTheWoods
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MikeInTheWoods
1 month ago

I have a hard time wrapping my head around any newer car these days based on a few objections, not just price.
Large screens and lack of knobs.
Digital interface for everything, requiring a dealership for every service.
Poor visibility due to large pillars on all corners.
Astronomical repair cost for even minor bumps and scrapes.

I can tell my future vehicle choices are going to have to be creative in the used market. Pretty much all vehicles after the mid 20-teens are just plastic and digital crap.

William Domer
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William Domer
1 month ago

That C pillar is just awful. That would stop me from buying Mazda full stop. I think that the Volvo wagon is the car I would want from that article. Manual, Station Wagon, Boxy, Volvo, Cool interior, exterior color is ok. Plus 19K isn’t what it used to be.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
1 month ago
Reply to  William Domer

From a visibility standpoint, it can all be mitigated with cameras, which are definitely included, right?

What are you looking for in a C-pillar on a hatch (since the hatch was the focus of the article)?

William Domer
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William Domer
1 month ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

my 84 VW GTI visibility.

MikeInTheWoods
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MikeInTheWoods
1 month ago
Reply to  William Domer

Good visibility, like an older Golf, or my late 90’s Subaru wagons. Sadly with new crash structures the visibility is long gone. I’m with you though. New cars stink to look out of.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
1 month ago
Reply to  MikeInTheWoods

But they are WAY better if you’re in an accident.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago
Reply to  William Domer

Sold at $39K and worth every penny just for the spaceball stick shift!

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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  William Domer

This Mazda would not be my choice either. My ’88 Saab 9000 Turbo, ’01 Jetta TDI and current ’17 Accord V6 are all higher on my list of things I’d want to drive. My son has a ’24 CX-5 and it’s ok. But I like my previous and current rides better.

Shinynugget
Shinynugget
1 month ago

The lack of manual in the Turbo Mazda 3 is why I went with a VB WRX. I drove a manual ’21 Corolla for almost 3 years and wanted something a little faster and more engaging. The Mazda 3 is more engaging than the ‘Rolla, but not faster.

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