Good morning! We have a short week due to the holiday yesterday, so we’re going to keep things simple. We’ll do three pairs of cars, and then on Friday we’ll play “track, daily, burn” with the winners. Haven’t done that in a while. And since both of today’s cars are green, I’ll make the other two pairs match, too.
On Friday, beauty was in the eye of the beholder when we looked at two ugly, rusty old trucks that I thought looked perfect the way they are. It’s not often that I’m surprised by the outcome of a vote, but this is one of those times. I thought for sure the old Dodge pickup was going to win it. But the 4×4 International beat it, and by a pretty good margin.


I’d be happy with either, but I don’t need two Forest Service Green pickups, so I guess the Travelall would make more sense. I really like that old Dodge, though. Argh – I should have given you a “both” option. It’s only pretend money, right?
I feel like I’ve been neglecting the middle of the country a little bit, so this week I’m going to stay off the coasts and pick cars from “flyover states,” even though I hate that term. I’m an Illinois native myself, and I still love the Midwest. Today’s choices hail from Missouri and Nebraska. They’re the same price, and the same color, but that’s about all they have in common. Let’s check them out.
2010 Chevrolet Camaro LT – $2,600

Engine/drivetrain: 3.6-liter dual overhead cam V6, six-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Raytown, MO
Odometer reading: 156,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
The fourth-generation Camaro went out of production in 2002, not with a bang, nor a whimper, but sort of an overweight wheezy groan, like an aging rock star hobbling through yet another “farewell tour.” I know the fourth gen has its fans, but I’ve never been one of them, personally. It looked like someone overinflated a third-generation Camaro, and then went out of their way to make it hard to access the engine. In 2009, however, photos of an all-new Camaro began circulating: a retro-inspired design that could not be mistaken for anything else. The “small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs” was back.

Like most cars of this type, the fast V8 versions got all the press, but the tamer models made up the bulk of production. This Camaro is powered by the base engine, GM’s 3.6-liter “High Feature” V6, driving the rear wheels through a six-speed automatic. Even though it’s the slowest 2010 Camaro, with 312 horsepower on tap it could still blow the doors off that ’79 Rally Sport with the 305 that your buddy in high school was so proud of. Some of these engines did have some timing chain issues, but this one has reached 156,000 miles, which means it has already been repaired, or it’s one of the good ones.

The fifth-generation and later Camaros look cool, but they all suffer from the same problem: the interior is a cave. Take almost any other sporty coupe, and black out the top and bottom thirds of the windows; that’s a pretty good approximation of the outward visibility. And they all seem to be black inside like this one. The photos in this ad are terrible, but it looks like the interior is in decent shape at least.

It sure does have some curb appeal, though, with its acid-green paint and black stripes. I could do without the tinted windows, which of course, make it even darker inside. As good as it looks, though, you’d be wise to look underneath and make sure it isn’t rusty. Camaros are kind of useless in the snow, but a car like this one was probably somebody’s only car, so I’m sure it has seen some road salt.
2011 Mazda Mazda2 – $2,600

Engine/drivetrain: 1.5-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Lincoln, NE
Odometer reading: 148,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
I swear, there are about a hundred people in the US who really like small hatchbacks – and none of us ever buy new cars. We long for cars like the Honda City and Ford Ka, but then when an automaker actually gives us a little hatchback, nobody buys it, and after a few years the auto execs go “See? Nobody in America wants a small car.” Mazda offered its Demio hatchback here for a few years as the Mazda2, and the sedan version was available for a while from Scion and Toyota dealers, but nobody seemed to care. This little green Mazda2 is a rarity anywhere, but I imagine especially so in Nebraska.

The Mazda2 is powered by a 1.5-liter version of Mazda’s MZR four-cylinder, making only about a hundred horsepower, which would be plenty for a little hatchback like this with a manual, but nobody in the US buys those anymore either. This one has a four-speed automatic, which probably means its color is a whole lot more exciting than its driving experience. It does run and drive well, according to the seller, and gets good fuel economy, which is really the point of a car like this anyway.

The inside looks nice; Mazda has always done a good job with interior design. It’s in good condition, too. That seat fabric looks interesting, which is another thing I always liked about small cars. From Toyota’s plaid Tercel seats to the Hyundai Accent’s “Funfetti” upholstery, small cars have often made good interior choices. This one looks more like a wetsuit, or maybe Batman’s armor, but it’s still cool.

Outside, it’s pretty banged up – it has a salvage title from hail damage, but hail isn’t the only thing that has hit this car. The left rear door has a sizeable wrinkle in it, and there’s a crack in the front bumper. I imagine the hood is a replacement that just never got painted. Stick some big driving lights on the front and pretend it’s a rally car, I guess.
Neither of these is the best of their respective breeds – the Camaro has the wrong engine and the Mazda the wrong transmission – but I’d be hard-pressed to think of a better color for either of them. It’s not just the lack of colors that make most cars so dull-looking; it’s the lack of bold colors, really vibrant hues that smack you in the face. This bright green does mean you’ll never be able to blend into traffic, but you’ll never lose your car in a parking lot, either. So what do you think? Which one wears it better?
Yes, yes, I see now that I didn’t scroll down far enough into the ad’s bullshit fine print. I deeply regret the error.
CL is so bad when it comes to this, between this and the tags to ensure some random 2005 Tahoe pops up when you’re searching for a “pre 1975 Toyota Celica”.. They should employ community notes, that get your scam ads shoved to the end of the results.
I can’t believe I did this, but I voted Mazda. Give me a fifth Gen with a manual and a V8 any day. A v6 auto? Eh, I’d rather walk. Every minute spent driving it would be an extra minute of regret in my life. Forgetting, of course that that v6 has more power and better handling than the 69 327 / power glide that I regret selling every day of my life.
At least with the Mazda you know the interior is gonna feel a little nicer than you paid for and the pep in its step is gonna be a little more than you expect. Zoom zoom.
It is that easy…Camaro! It looks great…I’d prefer the V8/stick, but would start w/ a manual swap. It will still be fun to cruise around in for now. I’m not interested in the Mazda as much but it’s still a decent daily
Umm…the ‘price’ on the Camaro is deceptive.
So, I’m going with the honestly priced Kermitmobile Mazda. I don’t know if I could title it without some work but…..that Camaro isn’t really $2600 if you read the ad fine print.
Note, in the Camaro ad it states “*** PRICE LISTED MAY BE DOWN PAYMENT AND NOT FULL PRICE CALL DEALER FOR DETAILS***”
In other words, the price quoted is not the price… merely the “down payment”.
The seller of the Camaro is either a scammer or a lying/bullshitting buy here/Pay here type of dealer… or a combo of both.
And no way will a Camaro of that age, mileage and condition sell for that little.
So my vote goes to the Mazda as the seller of that car doesn’t appear to be a liar/bullshitter/scammer.
Biggest issue with this Camaro is the 3.6 Oil Drinking issues. Still I guess I would take that one from a lizard lot like that over a “Salvage” titled anything…because the Cryptocurrency Oklahoma car with dents everywhere and a replacement unpainted hood is only salvaged because of Hail. Sure. Also I think even without all that I would not want to be seen in that little feller.
I voted for the Mazda. The price more correctly matches its condition. The Camaro just seems suspicious.
Wow my car is in the shitbox showdown. Granted mine is an SS with the 6mt, but same color, same year, looks the same.
Also, because I must, for everyone who complains that you can’t see out of a 5th gen Camaro, I presume that you’ve never actually driven one for more than 2 minutes. Been driving mine for 10 years now. I’ve never had an issue after the first week. It doesn’t even have a backup camera either. You just use your mirrors and your head. It’s really not a problem. Are there cars with better visibility? Sure, but a Camaro really isn’t that bad. Hell, driving a u-haul truck is much worse.
Did you just compare a muscle car to a Uhaul for visibility? Very high praised indeed
There is a small dealership with very unique cars close to where I live, one day I stopped by and all the cars had the note Ask for price or Call for price, something like that. This was the weekend when they were closed, I went during the week and ask for a Mitsubishi Pajero Mini that did not look in the best condition at all, tires were old, some scratches, paint fading. I was thinking oh it could be 5K at most. 12K that was their price!!! an old Mustang (early 90s) for 25K, not even a Cobra.
I still see the same cars all the time, I don’t know what kind of laundry they are running lol
I can’t even fit in a Mazda 2
We can make you fit with the help of some grease and a shoehorn…
How bout a Honda Fit?
A honda fit would certainly not fit in a Mazda 2.
Sarcasm aside,I test drove a fit once. I could make it work, but it really needed a few more clicks of the seat slider. I’m also taller than most. My Nissan kicks has 43.7 inches front leg room, and I keep the seat on the farthest back, or one click from the back.
I had a Camaro of that era as a rental in Los Angeles and the visibility out of those things was awful. I might as well have been driving blindfolded.
If the premise is which car would you have for $2600, the horrible green Camaro all day long…
Someone (whose name rhymes with Tark Mucker) should be ashamed of himself for posting this!
The price on the Camaro instantly set off my BS detector, and sure enough, scammy dealer.
But I would still take it over that salvage title hairshirt shitbox. If it was nice, then, OK I guess, but this isn’t nice. And I prefer my cheap small cars a bit more cheerful, ala the Fiat 500 (a car I regret parting with).
Even if the prices were actually equal, I think the Camaro is something I’d drive once but the Mazda is something I’d keep around. This would be a good kid’s first driver, as long as they like electric green. It’s pre-battle damaged, to boot!
Dang, I clicked on the Camaro before I read the comments and noticed that is just the down payment for the car. For $2,600 the Camaro is the better car, but the slime-ball dealer makes it a no-go. Give me the beat up Mazda.
The Mazda 2 wins by default. It’s actually a real car made with quality.
Also, the new Camaro doesn’t have the defining feature, the whole reason people buy a Camaro in the first place: T-TOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummmm… Mark, you might want to double check what actual the price is!!!
https://www.kwikautofinance.com/inventory/Chevrolet/Camaro/26325/
What a piece of shit dealer.
Yep, slime balls!!!!
Yeah I flagged their ad.
Dealers that do that shit should lose their license.
Bad or no credit?
No problem*!!!!
*APR 38.9% 😉
Their definition of ” No Problem” is wildly different than my own.
In grease ball voice: “Look, I gotta another guy that wants to buy this Camaro, so you gotta move fast or ya will lose out! ” 😉
Sorry for the typo: ..what the actual price is…
It’s OK, we meant what you know.
lol!
Since I was locked on the Camaro, I went to the comments first. Glad I did. Another vote for the Mazda because fuck that dealer.
Ha. The link is now giving me a 403 Forbidden error. Have they discovered they’ve been rumbled and locked the ad down? Or do they just refuse to sell old Peugeots?
Got a 2012 Mazda2 in “Spirited Green” for my wife, passed my “could I tolerate driving this” quite easily. Totalled or we’d still have it.
I lived in Raytown, and I’m not going back. Mazda for me.
I really think the naming of the Camaro is a big part of why it never quite managed to capture the hearts of the people the way the Mustang did. The Firebird and Trans Am seemed to do much better in that respect but the made up meaningless Camaro name never did the car any favors.
Fake money or not. No vote today
Stingy with internet bucks!
I know this showdown has been invalidated due to the $2600 for the Camaro only being a down payment, but I’ll take ANY excuse to shit on a fifth-gen Camaro. This is a car that was designed by and for twelve-year-olds. The lack of visibility is no joke, you really can’t see out of them at all. The interior quality is shocking even by aughties GM standards. A friend of mine had one of these things and the fabric inserts on the door cards had both mostly come detached by the time it was about three years old. And yes, even the V6 is quick, but it’s like V6 Altima quick… the kind of quick that the people attracted to it really shouldn’t have access to.
If that Camero is truly the same price as the Mazda2, there’s got to be something horribly wrong with it. Other than, you know, it’s a 4th gen Camero.
Went with the more honest Mazda, though if it weren’t internet play money, today would be a neither. That shade of green is compelling, but not that compelling.
That is a 5th gen, but I agree, the price is too low for the Camaro to not be either a scam or broken in some undisclosed way.
The dealer’s website lists $2,600 as the down payment for the Camaro. It doesn’t list a full price for this car. For what its worth, KBB gives a private sale value of around $4,400, so it is probably safe to assume you cannot purchase this car outright with a $2,600 cashiers check.
If a dealer refuses to list a cash price for a car, I’m not interested.
I had a 2011 Mazda2 with the auto and while I genuinely did like that car, the transmission just wasn’t right for it. It dulled the sparkle of what was really a good engine, and the fuel economy on the highway wasn’t actually good at all. I would get like 30 mpg which for a car that small ain’t great. If this was a 5 speed I’d feel differently.
I got a ride in a V6 Camaro when they came out and was very impressed. It’s fast! You really don’t need the V8.