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Legendary BMW Exec Bob Lutz Thinks New BMWs ‘Are Beyond Ugly’

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which is a challenge for global automakers who have to appease beholders in disparate markets. A good deal of BMW’s success in the second half of the 20th century can be assigned to American exec Bob Lutz, whose free-wielding of opinions has given him something of an exaggerated and almost mythical stature. He beholds that BMW’s current design is too much.

This isn’t to say that Bob Lutz is always right, but so long as I’m running The Morning Dump, I will always entertain his ideas about the world. In a bit of interesting timing, it’s actually Mercedes that has fired its design chief. I support this.

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Would you like two pieces of conflicting information? A California judge may stop Tesla from selling cars in the state. Also, Tesla’s stock just hit a record. And, finally, Ford has modified another battery deal.

‘I Kind Of Hate The Lights, I Kind Of Hate The Grill’

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I probably should have mentioned before that regular contributor and longtime pal Travis Okulski has taken the big job of leading all editorial over at the BMW Car Club Of America, which includes running Roundel and BimmerLife. Congrats, buddy! Hopefully, we’ll find some fun ways to work together as the BMWCCA is a great organization, and, as a rule, every other Autopian writer has to have some sort of potentially doomed BMW project.

Travis has a new issue of Roundel coming out, and it’ll celebrate 50 years of the E24 6-Series. As part of his conversation with Bob Lutz, Travis got this great quote:

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I think BMW, right now, has a serious design problem. I think some of the front ends are atrocious. Too prominent, that steam punk look to some of the front ends that look like big octagonal cast iron plates riveted to the car. It’s atrocious. I mean, the proportions are wrong, the lines are wrong, the detailing is wrong. I think some of them are just beyond ugly, and frankly, are being bought because people expect a premium automobile, and they say, Well, okay, I kind of hate the front end. I kind of hate the lights, and I kind of hate the grill, and I kind of hate the overall proportions, but it is a BMW. Somebody told me Chinese buyers like that stuff. I find that hard to believe.

The BMW XM feels wrong to me, and the BMW iX is either attractive or ungainly, depending entirely on the color combination you choose. I like the new 5-Series, and the i4 is cool. Do I think the new iX3 is “elegant” as Travis contends? Unsure, but I do think in base trim it’s a successful design.

Lutz was so instrumental in growing BMW that Max Hoffman jokingly (or not so jokingly) threatened to have him killed. So his opinion matters!

As an E39 owner, I do think that the late ’90s is the peak of BMW Design Mountain, but I also believe it’s a bad idea for carmakers to be too wedded to the past. The new 3-Series is going to be key to what the brand can achieve from a design perspective.

Mercedes Kicks Out Its Design Chief: Report

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Say what you will about the tenets of BMW’s modern design, but at least there’s an ethos. In some ways, modern Mercedes design is nihilistic. The guy behind it has been Gorden Wagener (pictured here with A$AP Rocky at SXSW, which, though I appreciate Mr. Rihanna, is a reminder of why I don’t go to SXSW anymore).

No longer! According to Bloomberg, he’s been “ousted” and replaced with Bastian Baudy, design head of AMG. There’s an interesting tidbit here from that report:

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Born in Essen, Germany, Wagener has served as Mercedes-Benz’s chief designer since 2016. He joined the company in 1997 and worked under longtime design chief Bruno Sacco, the architect of the brand’s classic, long and lean aesthetic. Wagener later broke from that tradition with his “Sensual Purity” philosophy, favoring more sculptural, rounded forms.

While the shift helped broaden Mercedes’s appeal, later EV models such as the EQS and EQE drew criticism for their bowed, aerodynamic profiles. His responsibilities also extended well beyond automobiles, overseeing design projects ranging from helicopters and luxury yachts to the Mercedes-Benz Places residential towers rising in Dubai and Miami.

All the EQS cars are visual disasters, so if someone had to go, it makes sense that it’s Wagener.

Tesla Might Not Be Able To Sell Cars In CA/Hits Record Stock Price

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A California judge ruled that Tesla’s marketing around “Autopliot” and “Full Self-Driving” was flawed because they aren’t self-driving, nor are they providing actual autopilot. The potential penalty for this, via CNBC, is potentially quite strict:

If the marketing issues aren’t resolved within a 60-day window, the DMV will move ahead with a 30-day suspension of Tesla’s license to sell cars in the state, the agency said in a statement. However, Gordon said, the DMV will stay the judge’s order for a suspension of Tesla’s manufacturing license, so there will be no interruption to the company’s factory operations in the state.

Seems like this is resolvable, maybe, although can you imagine what happened to the stock price? It hit a record. Here’s Bloomberg‘s explanation:

The optimism centers around Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk’s aspiration to turn Tesla into a powerhouse in robotics and AI, the booming technology that has driven global stocks to record highs. The company’s push into autonomous vehicles has drawn praise from analysts, with some saying Tesla will be a “game changer” in this field.

“Tesla is showcasing that they are close to monetizing on AI,” said Moritz Kronenberger, a portfolio manager at Union Investment, in part pointing to the company’s ambitions to make robots and self-driving taxis. “With the newly announced narratives, it has become more and more a potential AI winner.”

The stock price and actual earnings are so divorced from reality at this point, I’m not surprised.

Ford Is Pivoting Into Energy Storage, Ditching Battery Capacity

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I mentioned yesterday that Ford was taking a $20 billion write-down on its EV plans, but forgot to say that the company was also going to use some of its battery production capacity it was building to create an energy storage system business.

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This seems sensible to me. Whatever you think of AI, I’m troubled by the idea that we’re suddenly going to build out all of this expensive electricity supply for a potential bubble. Instead, what if we worked on the demand side and helped to improve load conditions through things like battery storage? Seems like a win, even if the expected AI conditions don’t end up materializing.

Ford, as a company, is still active in Europe and had plans to build way more EVs there. Those plans have been modified, meaning it no longer needs the batteries from LG Energy. How big a hit is that to LG’s business?

The Korea Economic Daily has the number:

The South Korean battery maker said the canceled contract, valued at about 9.6 trillion won ($6.5 billion), covered battery cell and module supplies scheduled from 2027 to 2032 and accounted for about 28.5% of its latest annual revenue.

“The termination follows the counterparty’s decision to halt production of certain EV models due to changes in the policy environment and shifting demand outlook for electric vehicles,” LG Energy said in a regulatory filing.

Yikes.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

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This is a pro-Wynne organization, and this new track “The British Are Coming” is hilarious. Rapping is hard enough, but then switching into a British accent that’s worthy of Slick Rick on the drop of a beat is next-level hilarious. Also, “I put the red dot on him like Japan” is fantastic.

The Big Question

What’s the best-looking BMW of all time?

Top graphic images: BMW; Classic Car Club Manhattan via YouTube screenshot

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Howie
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Howie
17 hours ago

The BMWs have been ugly for a while.

The US working on the grid is for crypto, not EVs. Priorities folks.
The fact the administration is gutting renewals for fossil is helping the family business, as promises were probably made to the Saudis, the Qataris, etc. We won’t know as Jared is not a real gov employee.
It won’t be long until the Venezuelan tankers will be drained in the name of reducing fentanyl. Taking the oil was talked about in round one.
There is a real reason why a convicted drug dealer/country leader was pardoned. (Honduras wants to be a haven for crypto bros). EVs are woke, crypto is the next billionaire money maker. It apparently needs to be fueled by stolen oil or oil from the Middle East.
Coal miners were only needed for votes. Votes were really a path to make the money.

Howie
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Howie
16 hours ago
Reply to  Howie

Thanks for approval from staff. I know this is a bit tinfoil hat, but I stand behind it

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
17 minutes ago
Reply to  Howie

It’s tinfoil hat when all the “evidence” comes from insinuating something like “the word pizza is code for trafficked children.”

It’s no longer tinfoil hat when government employees are just doing all this shit in the open and not even attempting to hide it. It could not be more obvious that the entire goal of this “administration” is to grift off of oil and crypto while solidifying the oligarchy.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
17 hours ago

He’s right.

Myk El
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Myk El
17 hours ago

What’s the best-looking BMW of all time?

I’m partial to the 633 csi.

Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
12 hours ago
Reply to  Myk El

Or the predecessor the 3.0CS. The E23 7 series and E31 850i look great too.

OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
17 hours ago

Lutz was so instrumental in growing BMW …his opinion matters!

There’s a reason he’s not running things anymore.

Altidude
Altidude
18 hours ago

> “All the EQS cars are visual disasters”

I had to look up the EQS. Oof…

Either they haven’t sold around here at all — or I’ve been mistaking them for 2005 Honda Civics.

Elhigh
Elhigh
18 hours ago

I don’t always agree with Lutz, but in this case he’s a few years behind me. I’ve been saying these things are pig-ugly for years now, ever since the debut of the gigantic snout nostrils.

Droid
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Droid
19 hours ago

TBQ: E9. simple, timeless.
mechanically attractive also, lovely I6, oddly narrow rear track.

George Danvers
George Danvers
19 hours ago

“Somebody told me Chinese buyers like that stuff. I find that hard to believe.”

Aren’t ALL cars designed for the Chinese market now? and THAT’S why they’re all so ugly? USA just gets their hand-me-downs.


Howie
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Howie
17 hours ago
Reply to  George Danvers

Pfft. That’s a take. How does that explain GM trucks?

William Domer
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William Domer
19 hours ago

Isetta.

Fuzzyweis
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Fuzzyweis
20 hours ago

For BMWs, I’m not really a fan so not sure all the models, I like the 2002 and the 850, I think the classic style when I think of a ‘BMW’ is the M3, not the current one. I get that they need more air flow into the engine so that increases the kidney size on the grille, but then explain the EVs, they could go back to the classic style no problem.

Sad Little Boxster
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Sad Little Boxster
20 hours ago

The best looking BMW? For nostalgia’s sake, my Dad’s ’67 1600-2 that I learned to drive a manual transmission in. And my older sister had a 1500 4-door that I thought was pretty cool, too. But seriously – in descending order 507, Z8, E9 (3.0 CS) and finally E30 just because it’s such a clean, simple design. And Bob is right this time.

Howie
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Howie
17 hours ago

There is an awesome 1600 near me in Martini colors I see from time to time in the good weather. The design is so clean and classic.

Beto O'Kitty
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Beto O'Kitty
20 hours ago

Again.
Promise/ INVEST/ crash

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
20 hours ago

I think we can all agree with Bob on BMW styling, but the market and their strong sales say we are wrong.

Howie
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Howie
17 hours ago
Reply to  Rick Garcia

US buys eras of all products love their manufacture labels, regardless of the product. They buy regardless of the look.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
20 hours ago

Close to monetizing on AI? I’m not sure what that actually means, but I’ve heard we’re close to cold fusion too. Maybe within a decade.

William Domer
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William Domer
19 hours ago

Tesla announces flying car. Jason swoons. Then remembers that Elon is a bold faced liar, and Jason decides to write another book.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
16 minutes ago

Not only that, but this claim is based on “newly announced narratives.” Most other people refer to these “narratives” as ketamine-fueled fairytales.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
20 hours ago

The E38 7-series might be the best-looking big sedan ever, when spec’d right.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
19 hours ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Mmmyesss

Just looking at one, I feel like I’m comfortable in a suit and tie and squashing little people to further my own goals, but I’m still arrogant enough to believe I’m human and can partake in the joy of driving. Call it American Psycho-lite.

Last edited 17 hours ago by Mechjaz
Rod Millington
Rod Millington
17 hours ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

The E38 740i M-Sport is just perfection.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
20 hours ago

The current BMW front ends are the goatse.cx of car styling.

Beasy Mist
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Beasy Mist
20 hours ago

Hush, now, it’s a Luxury Performance Snout

Alexk98
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Alexk98
20 hours ago

Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but 9/10 Beholders agree, current BMWs are far from beautiful.

Beto O'Kitty
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Beto O'Kitty
20 hours ago

Appears musky is starting his
promise/ invest/ crash cycle again.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
20 hours ago

Lutz isn’t wrong.

And it’s beyond time MB kicked Wagener to the curb.

Tesla has proven time and again it’s nothing more than a meme-stock – their “investors” are not serious people.

Meanwhile – what are “Energy Storage Systems” other than batteries?
LG will find other more serious business partners as the rest of the planet continues developing and evolving – leaving the US to roll backwards into a war over oil.

Last edited 20 hours ago by Urban Runabout
Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
20 hours ago

Mercedes Kicks Out Its Design Chief

Good. I’m tired of the melted-cheese-look that dominates their blobby cars.

Jeremy Aber
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Jeremy Aber
20 hours ago

“close to monetizing on AI”

*No one* is close to monetizing on AI, everyone in the AI space is running on VC fumes, just burning piles of cash and showing no signs of even getting close to profitability.

Howie
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Howie
17 hours ago
Reply to  Jeremy Aber

Companies are. They are getting people off the payroll and getting lousy work done.

Jeremy Aber
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Jeremy Aber
6 minutes ago
Reply to  Howie

Haha, yeah it buys them a few quarters of savings until the wheels come off.

Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
16 hours ago
Reply to  Jeremy Aber

Consulting companies are monetizing AI

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
13 minutes ago
Reply to  Jeremy Aber

But “newly announced narratives”!! We need to dump money into this, because of the narratives!!

4jim
4jim
20 hours ago

The E30 is the platonic ideal BMW in my head and I like the Z models also.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
20 hours ago

Hot take: The BMW e39 is fat and ugly looking compared to the e34 that preceded it. An e34 540 sport with a 6-speed manual is where it’s at.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
11 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Maybe?

SkaterDad
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SkaterDad
20 hours ago

What’s the best-looking BMW of all time?

The Clown Shoe (M Coupe) of course!

The Z8 is pretty nice looking as well.

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
20 hours ago
Reply to  SkaterDad

The clown shoe is an abortion.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
20 hours ago
Reply to  SkaterDad

I was going to go with the 508 or the 2800 cs version of the E9, but of recent cars, the clown shoe is the best.

SkaterDad
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SkaterDad
19 hours ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I certainly regret not buying one before their prices skyrocketed.

Total package of unique look and (allegedly) incredible handling. I remember Top Gear or Fifth Gear drifting it all over the place.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
16 hours ago
Reply to  SkaterDad

Yes, it has great performance, reasonable utility, and somehow the guy in charge of hitting BMWs with the ugly stick was eating a weisswurst and pretzel and it got out of the building before he could grab the stick.

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