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Let’s Talk About The Interesting Door Situations Of The Old Fiat 1100

Cs Fiat1100 Top

If you’re like most of us, you woke up this morning almost naked, clad only in a series of bicycle tire inner tubes that bound you to a crudely improvised framework made up of old library chairs and clothing racks, all set into the bottom of an old drained swimming pool in an abandoned YMCA. And as you struggle to free yourself from the rubbery binds, occasionally pausing to vomit some alarmingly turquoise fluid, what was probably going through your mind were questions about the Fiat 1100’s doors.

Not the later 1100, but the first one, built from 1937 to 1953. The one that looked a bit like a more grown-up Topolino, with an 1100cc inline-four making a ravenous 32 horsepower. These cars came in a surprisingly large number of bodystyles, including a B-pillar-less sedan, a four-door Berline, a special Taxi variant, one with a roll-back roof, and even a truck.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

The way the doors were handled on these cars is interesting, and I think puts it in some pretty rare company, especially in one particular way I’ll point out. Hopefully by now you’ve climbed out of that drained swimming pool so you can direct your focus here most effectively.

Cs Fiat1100 Berline 1

So, it seems the most popular variant of the 1100 was this one, the four-door Berline, which had a sort of coupe-like look and featured ra French door setup, with rear-hinged doors, as you can see up there. With both side doors open, the pillarless design really shows off the incredible interior access it affords:

Cs Fiat1100 4places

I mean, look at that! Pillarless designs are so damn cool, and so rare in modern cars. The Honda Element may be the most recent mass-market car I can think of that did this, and because that clapdoor Lincoln from 2020 kept the pillar. The coupé-like look of the Berline is really evident in the picture at the lower right, too.

Now, compare this bodystyle to the equally-pillarless sedan, which had a longer wheelbase and an extra side window at the rear:

Cs Fiat1100 Sedan 1

Now, what I find really interesting is that this same body was also adapted into the taxicab variant, which also had rear-hinged doors, but this time at the front instead of the rear, since the cab added a B-pillar, upon which the doors were hinged, the opposite sort of setup from the sedan:

Cs Fiat1100 Taxi

It appears that the taxi’s B-pillar was actually a full-width bulkhead, to divide the passengers from the taxi driver, because you know how classist cabs can be. I’m trying to think of another car that had bodystyle variations that added or removed B-pillars like this, or swapped how doors were hinged. Sure, plenty of cars switched from French doors to conventionally-hinged doors, but that was usually a year-to-year change, like the Fiat 500/600 or the Citroën 2CV, not offering both styles at the same time.

I’m sure there must be other examples, I just can’t think of them off the top of my head?

Cs Fiat1100 Doorhandles

The doorhandles themselves are kind of fascinating, too, being vertically oriented, which is unusual, and having this odd hanging hook sort of design. From a distance they resemble spoons, hung to dry perhaps, but they’re not quite that. There’s a strange musical instrument quality they have I like, too.

Cs Fiat1100 Truck

The truck variant of the 1100 is an appealing little machine as well, dispensing with all chrome brightwork, even the bumpers, to make something much more utilitatian-seeming. The fun doorhandles remain, and I think the body/frame is taken from the larger sedan, based on the wheelbase and the placement of the semaphore-style turn indicator/trafficator just adt of the cab and not inset into the bodywork as on the Berline.

The slatted bedsides are a nice touch, too.

Cs Fiat1100 Chassis

It’s said that these actually drove pretty well, considering they were designed to be mostly affordable basic transportation; the independent front suspension is especially notable for the time, too!

Fascinating stuff, right? I bet someone else will bring these cars up to you today, and boy will you be ready.

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Scott
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Scott
1 day ago

That inital paragraph…

Anyhoos, that’s a very smart looking little car. And yes, I appreciate the absence of a B pillar entirely, as in the Element (where it seems particularly useful, given the ethos of the car) but of course I always wonder about crash safety, especially in severe side impacts. In most cars, the whole B pillar seems integral, like a giant rib in the middle of the passenger cabin, keeping the box rigid and box-shaped.

I always wanted an Element. Sorry I didn’t buy one when I test drove them new.

Mad Island Guy
Mad Island Guy
5 days ago

At least with only having 32 horsepower, it can’t go fast enough or accelerate hard enough to make you experience the extremely flexible nature of having no B pillar.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
5 days ago
Reply to  Mad Island Guy

Coast it down a bendy bumpy Italian country road with no horsepower and that’ll probably be enough 😀

32hp wasn’t bad for the time, especially for an 1100cc engine.
Many European cars had that in the sixties, VW until the late seventies..

Jim Zavist
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Jim Zavist
5 days ago

Ummm . . . your i3 is pillarless . . .

Mark Marshall
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Mark Marshall
4 days ago
Reply to  Jim Zavist

Being the new proud owner of a 2018 i3s, I had the same exact thought – but Torch doesn’t have the i3 – David Tracy does. Unless they both do, that is.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
5 days ago

Beautiful car. Bit much inspired by the 1937 Ford maybe?

Nissan pulled it off in the 80ies with a B pillarless minivan: The Prairie! Don’t think it had a frame?

Last edited 5 days ago by Jakob K's Garage
Jimmy7
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Jimmy7
5 days ago

Known here as the Stanza Wagon. Two front doors, two sliding door, no pillar, rear hatch. Pull out the back seat and it was a great hauler.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
4 days ago
Reply to  Jimmy7

For us (EU) the Stanza was a stubby hatchback, always thought it looked like the Camry’s fat cousin 😉

Tim Cougar
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Tim Cougar
5 days ago

“I’m sure there must be other examples, I just can’t think of them off the top of my head?”

Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire of ~1953-1955: standard version had rear-hinged front doors and front-hinged rear doors (all doors hinged from B-pillar, like the 1100 Taxi), but the long-wheelbase limousine version had all four doors rear-hinged.

I was just telling that to the raccoon at the bottom of the pool this morning.

DysLexus
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DysLexus
5 days ago

1951 Fiat structural engineer of the 1100 eating pasta in the Fiat cafeteria…
“You notta listen to me. It musta be like multo al dente fettucine. No B-pillar, No good.”

1951 Fiat marketing vice-president…
“I don’ta care Luigi. It needs the wide open spaces to getta in. It musta have (waving hands expressively) Style”.
Slurping his linguini.

Warning: Fiat 1100 must not be overcooked or stay wet for more than 4 minutes ever. Otherwise owner satisfaction not guaranteed.

Last edited 5 days ago by DysLexus
Nocalray
Nocalray
5 days ago

In the chassis image the steering column looks like spear aimed at your chest to remind you not get in an head-on collision with anything. Life was more dangerous back then, on so many levels.
I do like the doors on the sedan version. Designers had more freedom back when structural rigidity was handled by the frame the body was bolted to. Didn’t the Lancia Aurelia have a similar door layout? I’m a big fan of Italian cars.

Aaron Headly
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Aaron Headly
5 days ago

Those doors appear to latch at the roof and the sill, not to each other. The latches move vertically, not horizontally, so the handles do likewise.

They appear to work just as the latches on the non-locking door of a typical store entrance double-door do.

John Crouch
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John Crouch
5 days ago

I woke up naked in a cardboard shack with a pool cue in my hand dreaming of pop up headlights.

Aracan
Aracan
5 days ago

The 2nd-gen Opel Meriva (built until 2017) also had this, with a B pillar, but the rear door opens even if the front door ist closed.

PBL
PBL
5 days ago

I would worry about hitting a bump mid-corner on a steep mountain road and the all the doors popping open and then me plummeting over the cliff to my death. This is probably why the door handles are shaped like teardrops.

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
5 days ago
Reply to  PBL

Makes sense.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
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Amberturnsignalsarebetter
5 days ago

Can we add ‘hanging cutlery’ to the door handle taxonomy diagram please Torch?

Last edited 5 days ago by Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Banana Stand Money
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Banana Stand Money
5 days ago

Those door handles are delightful. Can we please have these replace the electric release ass-hattery found on certain modern day vehicles?

Last edited 5 days ago by Banana Stand Money
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
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Amberturnsignalsarebetter
5 days ago

Maybe they could try replacing Tesla door handles with steak knives?

Bill Hilly
Bill Hilly
5 days ago

I think that type of cutting edge detail would only work on the cybertruck.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
5 days ago

You do realize Tesla would choose plastic cutlery?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
5 days ago
Reply to  SlowCarFast

Only if they still produced cars with turn signals.

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
5 days ago

All this time I thought I was the only one who woke up every morning at the bottom of an empty swimming pool.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
5 days ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

It’s always comforting to know that you’re in good company

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
5 days ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

Much better than waking up in the bottom of a full one.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
6 days ago

If you’re like most of us, you woke up this morning almost naked, clad only in a series of bicycle tire inner tubes that bound you to a crudely improvised framework made up of old library chairs and clothing racks, all set into the bottom of an old drained swimming pool in an abandoned YMCA. And as you struggle to free yourself from the rubbery binds, occasionally pausing to vomit some alarmingly turquoise fluid, what was probably going through your mind were questions about the Fiat 1100’s doors.

EPIC Torch opener.

AssMatt
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AssMatt
5 days ago

Yes, this is a perfect Cold Start. Pinnacle of the form. AI, take note!

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
5 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

I fear what an AI prompt “write the opening paragraph of an article as written by Jason Torchinsky” would produce.
Also, Quentin Tarantino take note.

Last edited 5 days ago by Twobox Designgineer
Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
5 days ago

No worry. All of AI will converge towards Torch style

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
5 days ago

It was purple, the vomit. You daltonic lunatics.

Phuzz
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Phuzz
5 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

I once work up and vomited a bright yellow fluid, which I think was bile. I then drove round the M25 the wrong way, so clearly I was a bit under the weather.

Serg_skudnov
Serg_skudnov
2 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

Wait, it’s a Ipomoea aquatica purple…
Always has been

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
6 days ago

I would worry about the occupants of those pillarless versions in a T-bone crash, except that whatever hit them would likely also have 32hp (or less). Everybody involved would just wave their hands at one another in Italian exasperation and go on their way.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
5 days ago
Reply to  Flyingstitch

Mama-Mia!
Whaddaya do to mia Berlinetta?

Sean Flaherty
Sean Flaherty
6 days ago

RX-8 also was pillarless with rear-opening rear doors.

PBL
PBL
6 days ago
Reply to  Sean Flaherty

True, that was manufactured until 2012, so slightly more recent than the Element. More recent is the Mini Clubman (2014), which probably doesn’t count but does technically have two sets of pillarless clamshell doors.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
5 days ago
Reply to  PBL

Hm, this might be the answer to Torch’s question. In 2014, Mini offered a 3-door Cooper hatch, a 5-door Cooper hatch, and a 6-door Clubman. The 3- and 5-door hatches had traditional front-hinged side doors and top hinged hatch. The Clubman had front-hinged front doors, rear-hinged rear doors, and side-hinged rear doors. Not quite the same level of doormanship as the 1100, but pretty impressive variety for 2014.

PBL
PBL
5 days ago

I was thinking of the 5-door R55 Clubman, which had a single rear-opening coach door on the right-hand side, plus the barn doors out back. But you’re right, the F54 kept the barn doors but got four regular side doors (for total of 6).

Even more recent is the FJ Cruiser (made in other markets until 2022) BMW i3 (until 2022), with coach doors on each side. But the catch on all of these is that you can’t open the back doors separately like you could on something like that Fiat.

Sad Little Boxster
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Sad Little Boxster
5 days ago
Reply to  Sean Flaherty

As does the FJ Cruiser…

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
6 days ago

That first image is giving definite Eva Peron vibes.

Now where are my fur sleeves?

Argentine Utop
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Argentine Utop
5 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

They are being stolen at this moment, delivery will take as soon as the former owner is accused of being a jew-communist-freemason-capitalist-anarchist-liberal traitor.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
6 days ago

I felt like a fool at breakfast today because I knew nothing about these and could not add to the discussion. If only this had been posted earlier.

4jim
4jim
6 days ago

Oh, lightness holes in the frame, how racecar-esque.

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