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Ligier Sets New Record For Slowest Official Nürburgring Lap, Finally Ousting Trabant After 66 Years

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Hot damn, this is a record I can genuinely appreciate: French microcar maker (and, it should be noted, former F1 car builder) Ligier took three of their cars – technically, quadracycles, according to Euro classification rules – to the storied Nürburgring with the intention of breaking some lap records, and they succeeded, brilliantly. In fact, one of the cars, a JS50 diesel, beat the previous record holder’s time by almost nine and a half minutes. Oh, that’s 12 and a half minutes longer, because the record they beat was for the slowest Nürburgring lap time, which was 16:01, set by a Trabant back in 1960. Now, that slowest lap took a staggering 28 minutes and 25.8 seconds, and is held by Ligier.

In addition to the diesel JS50 setting the record-breaking lap, the other two cars set impressively slow laps as well. An electric JS50 did it in 27 minutes, 55.6 seconds, and the hot rod L7e electric version screamed out a lap in only 19 minutes, 53.4 seconds. Any of these times would have been enough to break the Trabant’s record, but the diesel one proved the winner.

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So what’s the secret? How did Ligier pull off such an incredible upset? What sorts of cutting-edge slowness-enhancing tech are they using? A big part of their success seems to stem from the rules of the quadracycle class they’re in, and the fact that they are sans-permis cars (which can be driven by people too young for a license or who have no/have lost their license, or both, if you can find a drunk enough 14 year old) which limits top speed to just 28 mph. Also limiting speed is a 500cc engine making a horsepower output of eight, as in two horsepower less than most people have fingers.

 

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The diesel JS50 had some other impressive numbers to report, because it was driven from Paris to the ‘Ring by French automotive journalists Nicolas Meunier and Martin Coulomb on one tank of diesel, and then set its record-setting lap, all without refueling. The distance from Paris to the Nürburgring is about 312 miles, so that means the trip had to have taken them, what, over 11 hours! For fuel economy, though, they got, let’s see, the JS50 has a 4.49-gallon tank, so that’s close to 70 mpg! That’s pretty good!

Ligier released this nice inspirational video of the record run; the electric ones came in on the truck, the diesel drove itself, just to be clear:

Hot damn, look at that! Those little beasts are tearing the track up at speed nearing 30 miles per hour! That’s only about 16 mph slower than a horse or a greyhound! And about twice the speed of a Pomeranian!

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This is truly a momentous day for Ligier, the Nürburgring, racing, leisureliness, and, yes, humanity itself.

If you like the way these race-spec Ligiers look, it seems the company is considering offering the “ultimate racing experience” package, complete with go-slower stripes and body kit, for people to buy. I hope they go through with that.

Also, I now realize that I think I can beat this record with my 1.1-horsepower Changli; when I took it to the track that one time, I was barely able to get it past 20-ish mph. Look:

So, I think this has a real shot at beating the Ligier’s record! I just need to, you know, get it to Germany. Oh, and get it running again.

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Jay Vette
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Jay Vette
2 months ago

I bet I can beat that record. I’ll take a riding mower to the Nurburgring and see how it stacks up.

Tim Connors
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Tim Connors
2 months ago

Also, I love geeking out about how speed is relative:

28 mph = moving very good in city traffic.
28 mph = record level slow on Nurbergring.
28 mph = Pro cyclist in the flats on the Tour de France, faster in sprints and downhills of course.
28 mph = frustratingly slow on an interstate
28 mph = stall speed of a bush plane.
28 mph = slow pitch softball.
28 mph = a hair faster than Usain Bolt

MALinium Falcon
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MALinium Falcon
2 months ago

This is truly a great model name for a car “The D+” its almost a passing grade

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
2 months ago

The JS50 has real “short guy with big watch” energy.

Boulevard_Yachtsman
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Boulevard_Yachtsman
2 months ago

ACO needs to set up a 24hr. Le Mans race just for these things. With the limited speed they could go back to the old school start where drivers had to run and jump in the car. And make it a true endurance test – one driver, one car. If they fall asleep, 28mph careening out of control isn’t going to cause much of a pile-up.

Last edited 2 months ago by Boulevard_Yachtsman
QuantumRust
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QuantumRust
2 months ago

There are probably at least a few segments where the drivers could get a quick nap in

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
2 months ago

Should have picked the Ligier Zero Jaeger.

Melanie Fuhrman
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Melanie Fuhrman
2 months ago

I’m curious as to why the EV was around 8 minutes faster than the petrol and diesel versions? If they are all limited to 30mph, I wouldn’t think acceleration or handling would be that much of a contributing factor?

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
2 months ago

The regular EV is only 30 seconds faster. The 8 minute faster version can apparently do 46mph instead of just 28. But then I wonder… why do they make a sans-permis car that breaks that rules and is no longer in that category of vehicle?

Citrus
Citrus
2 months ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

To show the blistering speed they would be capable of if THE MAN wasn’t holding them down.

Or it is legal in other places.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
2 months ago

My guess is that the ICE models couldn’t maintain top speed up the steep uphill sections while the EV could. There’s a good chance the ICE models use a CVT operated by centrifugal weights rather than any kind of electronic control logic (a solution often seen in cheap scooters), which would effectively lock the engine to a certain RPM that’s likely below peak power.

Mike Harrell
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Mike Harrell
2 months ago

On behalf of all of us who own a voiture sans permis I must say that this is indeed an occurrence which occurred.

M. Park Hunter
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M. Park Hunter
2 months ago

Does the Changli have 12.9 miles of range?

Maybe you can get a factory sponsorship for the effort.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
2 months ago

Driving slower isn’t hard, unless they tried to be fast it’s just people taking a leisurely drive

Mike F.
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Mike F.
2 months ago

I should get one of these for next summer’s autocross season. Then at least I’d have an excuse.

Last edited 2 months ago by Mike F.
Emil Minty
Emil Minty
2 months ago

There seems to be a lot of doubt as to whether the Changli could even complete a lap.

Only one solution, Changli relay! Station multiple Changlis around the Ring. Problem solved!

Dylan
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Dylan
2 months ago
Reply to  Emil Minty

I was going to suggest a portmanteau of “changli” and “relay”, but no matter how you put those two words together it just ends up sounding mildly racist…

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
2 months ago

Whadda think the ‘ring is? Some sorta racetrack? Slow down and enjoy the sights.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
2 months ago

Still slightly faster than the fastest known lap completed via bicycle. As current Strava KOM holder completed the lap in 28:50 at a speed of 26.7 mph.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
2 months ago

Thanks I was going to look that up. I would guess that a pro racer could best that since the peloton routinely does 30mph. The UCI needs to use the Nordschleife for a time trial championship to blow away that Strava result

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
2 months ago
Reply to  Slow Joe Crow

It looks like it was done during Pro Conti race. Surprising amount of climbing would make it difficult for someone like Remco to beat it solo. A World Tour TT squad would probably beat it. And a World Tour tour peloton would demolish it. Would be interesting to see if a solo man could beat a whole field of dudes getting paid to be there.

Nick Fortes
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Nick Fortes
2 months ago

Ligier should now throw their hat back in the ring. Call up the FIA , we’re going back to Formula 1!

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
2 months ago

Just a thought, Jason. Have you considered repairing the Changli by actually using an electric chainsaw, batteries, motor, and all as the drive unit? Just have it drive the axle directly or via a chain and sprocket, rig up a cable that squeezes the trigger as you hit the gas pedal, and bring several spare batteries for mid-lap pit stops.

VR
VR
2 months ago

Not 500cc but 50cc.

Otherwise not quadracycle and not legal for under 18 kids.

Edited: turns out I am wrong. These things used to be 50cc years ago.

Last edited 2 months ago by VR
V8 Fairmont Longroof
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V8 Fairmont Longroof
2 months ago

“…twice the speed of a Pomeranian”. Thank you Torch.

A. Barth
A. Barth
2 months ago

Assertion #1 – James May is not a fan of ‘Ring lap time record-setting exercises, particularly when they affect engineering and comfort [of the vehicles]

Assertion #2 – James May is Captain Slow

Assertion #3 – James May likes small cars of the people

Question: will the news of the Ligier record make James May happy or not happy?

Discuss.

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

I think he would be more excited about the excellent fuel economy getting to the track than the lap time.

AssMatt
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AssMatt
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Who on Earth wants this?!
James May.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Will James be happy?
James may.

[edit] dangit, 55 seconds late. [/edit]

Last edited 2 months ago by Twobox Designgineer
Channel 61
Channel 61
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

James May is the Larry Fine of the Top Gear trio.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

I think it will make him unhappy, as he’ll be kicking himself for not taking a VSP out on the ‘Ring for “Cars of the People”.

Sam Gross
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Sam Gross
2 months ago

Hate to break it to you, but the difference between 16:01 and 28:25.5 isn’t 9 ½ minutes… it’s 12 ½ minutes.

A. Barth
A. Barth
2 months ago

That sounds like a name for general maintenance and/or futzing about:

“Whatcha doing?”

“Not much – just some sh*tfixing”

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
2 months ago
Reply to  A. Barth

I’m going to start using that at work. As controller/HR for a good-sized hotel it actually describes a large portion of my work life.

10001010
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10001010
2 months ago

If Autopian signs up another 2825 members by July then Jason will ship the Changli (and enough chainsaws for any necessary repairs) to Nürburg, Germany for a crack at the record!!!

Hoser68
Hoser68
2 months ago

Since I don’t know if the Changli can complete a Lap, I would suggest that Jason does the trip in a Sinclair. Even if the battery is dead, he can still pedal.

https://youtu.be/jm1Lda_-o68

Does this have lights on it so it can run after dark? Even in Mid-summer it’s going to be close.

Elhigh
Elhigh
2 months ago

I occasionally watch ‘Ring vids but I don’t have this kind of time to spare.

Will Packer
Will Packer
2 months ago

Is the Changli even capable of operating for 30 minutes at a time? When it is operating!?

Last edited 2 months ago by Will Packer
Elhigh
Elhigh
2 months ago
Reply to  Will Packer

If Otto pushes, maybe.

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
2 months ago

I’m confident that the Changli could easily surpass that. Probably easiest to just order another one and assemble there.

Dylan
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Dylan
2 months ago
Reply to  Emil Minty

Genius

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