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Look At the Cars, Look How They Shine For You: 2004 VW Beetle vs 2017 Ford Transit

Sbsd 5 28 2025
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On our second day of this short week, we’re featuring cars that are painted in a color that was once popular for submarines, or so I’ve heard. They’re also the color of everyone’s least favorite stoplight. Which of these minion-hued bargains will earn a place in Friday’s final? We’ll see.

Yesterday’s color was green, the color of the leaves, and we looked at one car that was cool and one that was friendly-like. Or at least, I thought one of them was cool; I missed the fact that the $2,600 price tag on the Camaro “may be a down payment,” according to a note buried in a block of text in the bottom of the ad. I apologize for falling for this sleazy dealer’s bait-and-switch; usually I catch them and skip over the ad.

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The Camaro “won,” but I feel like it won under false pretenses, so I’m going to do something I have only done once or twice before, and exercise my veto power. Not only that, but I have flagged the ad, and I encourage you all to do the same. Scummy tactics like this are bad for everyone, and they shouldn’t be allowed to stand unchallenged. Therefore, by the power vested in me by the Grand Charter of Autopia (Jason wrote it in Sharpie on the back cover of a Muir manual, but it held up in court), I declare this result null and void, and award the humble-but-honest Mazda the win.

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All right. Let’s put that unpleasantness behind us and look at a couple of yellow cars.

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2004 Volkswagen Beetle GLS – $4,000

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.0-liter overhead cam inline 4, six-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Indianapolis, IN

Odometer reading: 89,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

If you disliked the retro-styling trend of the 2000s, this is probably the car to blame. Volkswagen introduced the New Beetle in 1997, a few years after showing it as a concept car, and it was a huge hit. More than a hundred thousand people a year bought these things for several years in a row, until the quality and reliability issues caught up with it and cooled sales. This was the peak (or is that Piech?) of Volkswagen’s over-complicated designs, and fans of the original Beetle’s fix-it-with-a-screwdriver simplicity weren’t impressed.

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If you want one, though, you’d be wise to choose the engine this one has: the venerable “two-point-slow” inline 4. No turbos, no complex valvetrains, no diesel smell, just a good solid cast-iron four-cylinder. Ideally, you’d want it with a five-speed manual, but no such luck here. This one has a six-speed automatic with VW’s Tiptronic manual shift capability, which, okay, if you simply can’t or won’t drive a manual, is fine I guess. It only has 89,000 miles on it, and the seller says it runs well and has no warning lights illuminated.

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The interior is clean, and has been decorated with little plastic flowers in the vents, which I assume are air fresheners of some kind. It also has covers on the seats, but those could be there just because the seats are leather or vinyl and get too hot in the sun. I’d still want to see what the seats look like underneath them, though. The seller says it is “well prepared for all kinds of weather,” which I assume means the top works, though they don’t show any photos of it down.

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It’s clean and shiny outside, and this pale yellow color really suits it. That’s one thing I’ll give VW credit for: these were always available in a good range of colors. I still don’t know why you’d choose one over a far more practical Golf, though.

2017 Ford Transit Connect – $4,300

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.5-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, six-speed automatic, FWD

Location: Eden Prairie, MN

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Odometer reading: 272,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

The Ford Transit is a nameplate that has been familiar in Europe for decades, but only came to the US in 2010, on this compact FWD van, the Transit Connect. When we finally did get our hands on it, it quickly became the darling of tradespeople all over the country, and has been very popular for fleet use as well. Even though the Transit Connect was discontinued a couple years ago, you still see them all over, and probably will for years to come. Despite its similarity in color to the NYC taxi van that has bafflingly found its way into the Autopian’s fleet, this one was actually a DHL delivery van in its former life.

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True to its mission as a box on wheels for moving stuff around, the Transit Connect’s drivetrain is nothing special: Ford’s 2.5 liter Duratec four-cylinder engine drives the front wheels though a six-speed automatic, and before you ask, no – it was never sold here with a manual. I have heard of some people swapping in manuals, though, but I’m not sure why you would other than for the hell of it. This one has seen its fair share of the road, with 272,000 miles on its odometer. The seller says it runs and drives fine, and “still has plenty of life to make you money.”

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To avoid the 25% “Chicken Tax” tariff on light trucks, Ford shipped the Transit Connect from Europe (Spain, for this generation) with rear seats installed, so it could be labeled a passenger vehicle. The rear seats were later removed before sale. I don’t know what happened to all those bench seats; I like to think they were re-sold as cheap sofas, or put to use in inner-city school auditoriums, or something, but they probably just ended up in a big heap in a landfill. We don’t get any good photos of the two remaining front seats in this one, which I assume means they’re shot. We can see that it has a bulkhead behind the seats, which you may or may not want to leave in, depending on what you want to do with it.

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Outside, the red DHL logos have been removed, leaving just a big wall of yellow paint. It looks like it cleaned up well, though. Is it wrong that I really want to start seeing these little vans in full ’70s custom regalia, with murals, porthole windows, and shag carpet? I think that aesthetic needs to make a comeback.

So there they are, your choices for the day: a retro-themed convertible and a hard-working little van. I don’t know what criteria you use to choose between them, but that’s not really my problem, is it? I’ll be curious to see which one you all prefer, though.

 

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Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
3 days ago

I’m not here to deliver your package.
I’ll take Sun Bug II

Clear_prop
Clear_prop
3 days ago

I’m surprised so many people are choosing the van.

A 275,000 mile fleet vehicle is going to be worn out.

A 90,000 mile VW weekend car is going to have issues, but still has life left.

Baja_Engineer
Baja_Engineer
3 days ago
Reply to  Clear_prop

Those 90K miles are not that relevant in a +20 year Piech era VW. The vynil door inserts unglue themselves around the 100K miles mark, electrical gremlins are pretty much a given including the top mechanism and the trunk release. And not to mention these were the first cars using the 09G automatic transmission. Early ones are highly prone to valve body issues; they got much improved around 2008 MY.

My sister’s car being a 2008 is mechanically sound but everything around it is falling apart at only 113K miles. And my friend’s sister did a manual swap on her 2003 convertible rather than rebuilding the 09G in it. That’s how bad these are honestly.

I chose the TC because highway miles are not as bad on a new-ish vehicle and the powertrain is solid. Even the 6F35 can last more than the 09G. Electrical issues are more of an age related thing in these than miles, honestly

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
3 days ago

Local Ford dealer made really bad passenger vans out of cargo vans. Imagine a couple holes cut in that van floor and then a really hard seat bolted in.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
3 days ago

Transit for me. Having experienced owning a new bug, I will never subject myself to that level of abuse again. What a simmering pile of excrement it was.

Drew
Drew
3 days ago

The seller says it is “well prepared for all kinds of weather,” 

“If the top won’t go down, you can’t get caught with it down in the rain. You’re good in all kinds of weather.”

TheNewt
TheNewt
3 days ago

Van for me. The Beetle would probably require the following:

  • structural support for the interior door handles if they aren’t already broken
  • reupholstering of the door panels, which are cardboard and set with melted plastic tabs
  • a solenoid or two for the hydraulic pump that raises and lowers the top (one raises and one lowers)
  • tracking down the random electric bug that happens right at the time you need it not to…

This list is not exhaustive.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
3 days ago
Reply to  TheNewt

“electric bug” Well, it is a bug, so that fits…

Dottie
Dottie
3 days ago

Banana Beetle for me, although it would be interesting to track down the van’s back seats for funsies.

Gandalfthegut
Gandalfthegut
3 days ago

Death cab or cutie

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
3 days ago
Reply to  Gandalfthegut

This comment needs more likes! Well done

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
3 days ago

I voted for the van.

The cargo van rear seats were disposed of for the first gen, while for the second gen they sent them back to Spain for re-use.

Ford had to pay the tax and didn’t get away with it, but of course they’re too stupid to oppose it and also too stupid to follow thru with plans to make a new TC in Mexico off the Maverick platform.

Baja_Engineer
Baja_Engineer
3 days ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Ford had to pay the tax and didn’t get away with it, but of course they’re too stupid to oppose it and also too stupid to follow thru with plans to make a new TC in Mexico off the Maverick platform.”

Pretty much this. In other words they didn’t want to compromise sales of the Bronco Sport and Maverick so they would rather discontinue the TC citing low sales.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
3 days ago

That’s just a bit too much to ask for a Transit Connect with 270k+ on it, that just lived what I imagine is a fairly tough life.

I’ll take the Beetle even though with a third of the mileage, will probably break first.

Data
Data
3 days ago

Coldplay, that is all.

BassAckwardsRacing
BassAckwardsRacing
3 days ago

The back seats were sent back to Turkey to be re-used in new transits and sent back here again.

James Thomas
James Thomas
3 days ago

I’ll take the high mileage van. No VW here. ..

Captain Avatar
Captain Avatar
3 days ago

The uses of these are so different. Since I have no use for a work van, I went with the non-turbo Beetle in what is a pretty classic color for the nameplate.

Had the Transit been the 7 seat version, it would win this day very easily.

Last edited 3 days ago by Captain Avatar
Millermatic
Millermatic
3 days ago

I was all set to go Ford… until I saw the mileage. Fake punch-buggy for me.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
3 days ago

Taking the canvas-topped Coleopteran.

JDE
JDE
3 days ago

definitely depends on what you want to buy something for. A reliable daily with a little weekender fun means the low milage convertible is the route to go. Ugly color and Beetle Hate be damned.

the connect is really only a Hispanic roofer or tiler vehicle. it will never last like a GMC Safari would have, but perhaps it is still better than the Nissan NV200 GM badged nightmare.

Millermatic
Millermatic
3 days ago
Reply to  JDE

Curious why you felt a need to say “Hispanic” roofer or tiler vehicle?

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
3 days ago
Reply to  Millermatic

Maybe he’s from Florida where Floridaman uses his 12″ lift brodozer to do it.

JDE
JDE
3 days ago
Reply to  Millermatic

they seem to be the only ones that seem to have those and keep them running.

M. Park Hunter
M. Park Hunter
1 day ago
Reply to  JDE

At 270,000 miles, it has already lasted like a GMC Safari. Source: I owned two of ‘em back in the day when I owned a computer business.
(https://itisgood.org/auto-biography/#97GMC)

Last edited 1 day ago by M. Park Hunter
Cyko9
Cyko9
3 days ago

This is a “neither” day for me, but based on condition and price, the VW is the best option. At half the price, the Ford would be more competitive.

Gubbin
Gubbin
3 days ago

Look at that beautiful interior on that Transit – perfect size to fork a pallet in directly over the back axle and chuck some loose goods through the side door. Just tall enough to roll a motorcycle and tools into the back. No windows to break or look in through.

Of course, payload is 1500# so if you fork in a 2000-2500# pallet you’re probably breaking something, not even counting the 7 salty MSP winters it’s been through.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
3 days ago

I’ve never liked the New Beetle. Especially the convertibles. I don’t like VWAG anymore.

The van’s mileage and provenance concern me. And I don’t need a van that I can’t see out of.

So, I think neither one today.

Chevy Cruze Gang
Chevy Cruze Gang
3 days ago

Gotta go with the van, when I used to run deliveries I had to use our first gen Transit Connect back-up van for awhile while my assigned Chevy Express was down for repairs and I liked it a lot! No experience with a second gen like what’s posted here but if it’s like the older ones they’re surprisingly capable little vans!

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
3 days ago

I thought Transit Connect seats were returned to Europe to be reinstalled for export again?

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
3 days ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

IIRC they were shredded/scrapped because that was more cost effective than returning them.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
3 days ago
Reply to  IanGTCS

Too bad, they’re a natural fit for Rooms To Go.

JDE
JDE
3 days ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

you could buy these with seats. though I don’t think any of those came without windows. These probably came from a wrecked passenger version or an upfitters trash can.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
3 days ago
Reply to  Disphenoidal

only for the second gen

for the first gen, they were scrapped.

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
3 days ago

Did these vans share the trouble prone automatic from the Focus? Even still, it would be far more useful to me and so I voted for it.

Disphenoidal
Disphenoidal
3 days ago
Reply to  IanGTCS

Not according to Wikipedia. These had a 6-speed torque converter automatic. The Focus had a 6-speed DCT.

Bill C
Bill C
3 days ago
Reply to  IanGTCS

These vans are easy and comfortable to drive, and while the mileage is high, I’m totally not surprised. The 4-cyl Duratec (Mazda MZR derivative) is quite good and I’ve seen them rack up really high miles. This powertrain is the same as the Fusion sedan I believe. Ford gets a lot of grief, but somethings they do things very well.

Redfoxiii
Redfoxiii
3 days ago

Post-commercial use vehicles see an awful lot of abuse. I wonder how many HOURS the engine has on it from idling?

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
3 days ago
Reply to  Redfoxiii

Yeah, that’s definitely a good question. I think I’d take a pass on this one. For half the price it’d probably be worth it to use as a winter beater, but not for $4300.

Long Tine Spork
Long Tine Spork
3 days ago

For all that chose the van, you have no idea the horrors minnesota can inflict upon a vehicle.

Gubbin
Gubbin
3 days ago

Gonna guess the seller has belatedly learned this. I still voted for it.

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
3 days ago

You act like a bad golf doesn’t have things inflicted on it just by being a vw.

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