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Why Matte Paint Looks Great But Is Still A Giant Pain

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It’s safe to say that modern matte paint definitely isn’t a fad. Initially popularized by a handful of unique applications in the 2000s, its popularity has ballooned to the point where it’s not just reserved for limited-run Lamborghinis and special-order AMGs. Beyond the German big three of luxury, you can find satin or matte finishes being offered on everything from a Hyundai Santa Fe all the way up to a Bentley Flying Spur, and some applications look pretty great.

I won’t lie, I catch myself staring whenever I see a Spectral Blue Magno Mercedes-Benz, or an Earthy Brass Matte Hyundai Santa Fe, but before you sign on the dotted line, there’s something you should know: Caring for these less-reflective finishes is still a giant pain. In case you’ve been curious, here’s a quick run through the stuff you shouldn’t do to matte paint, and the stuff you just straight-up can’t do.

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Let’s start with going through certain automatic car washes, a fairly normal thing to do in areas with water use restrictions. While you can generally take a glossy car through any automatic car wash, guidance is all over the board for matte paint. Hyundai gives the instruction “Do not go through an automatic car wash with rotating brushes,” and BMW has previously stated that “No mechanical means of cleaning the surface, such as a buffing wheel should be used.” Translation: Touchless car washes only, and even then, you might not be in the clear.

When it comes to protecting the finish of cars with traditional glossy paintwork, you generally don’t have to worry much about the composition of whatever coating you’re using. Sure, a ceramic coating will typically outperform a synthetic sealant, which will typically outperform a carnauba wax, but they all make paint look shiny while providing a hydrophobic coating. In contrast, matte paints are far more picky because the components in most waxes that make typical paint look shiny will also make matte paint shiny. Think glazing compounds that fill in little imperfections in clearcoat. As it stands, protecting matte paint really does require compatible products, and there are tons of warnings out there around this.

Mercedes Benz Amg Gt63 S E Performance Matte Paint
Photo credit: Mercedes-Benz

BMW states in the owner’s handbook for the current M4 to “Only use cleaning and care products suitable for vehicles with matte paintwork,” while Hyundai goes a step further, stating “If wax is applied, remove the wax immediately using a silicone remover.” Unsurprisingly, Mercedes-Benz is in a similar boat, with the handbook for the CLE coupe stating the following as two of many bullets under the matte paint care section:

  • Do not use a car wash program with a final hot wax treatment.

  • Do not use paint cleaners, buffing or polishing products, gloss preservers, e.g. wax.

Oh yeah, buffing. That’s the next annoying thing about matte paint. Let’s say you’ve done your best to park away from everyone, yet some inconsiderate oaf has still found a way to lightly scuff just the clearcoat of your bumper. Normally, this is the sort of damage that would literally buff out, but not with low-gloss finishes. Instead, polishing matte paint turns it glossy, as Larry Kosilla of AMMO NYC fame demonstrated:

It’s often a similar story with minor damage that would normally be repaired with touch-up paint, like stone chips. Because a spot repair to matte paint can’t be blended in the same way a spot repair to glossy paint can, several automakers quietly warn drivers of the repair challenges in the fine print of owner’s manuals. Indeed, if you flip to page 633 of the handbook for the new Hyundai Santa Fe, you’ll see this special care warning for this unique finish:

It is impossible to modify only repaint the damaged area. The whole part must be repainted as necessary. If the vehicle is damaged and painting is required, contact an authorized HYUNDAI dealer.

Yep, standard operating procedure is a full-panel respray at the minimum, which can get quite expensive if the part you need paint repair on is, say, a quarter panel. While a traditional touch-up paint application might run you a few hundred dollars, respraying a panel or two in a matte finish will easily cost four figures.

Bmw M3 Frozen Gray 2011
Photo credit: BMW

Alright, so what if you like matte paint but find all the matte paint care ridiculous? Well, you have two options: Either wrap your car with matte-finish vinyl, or have it covered in matte or satin paint protection film. Both will yield the desired finish, but while vinyl wrapping is used for color changes, matte paint protection film puts a removable translucent matte coating over the paint that’s already on your car. Granted, covering a whole car in paint protection film is typically more expensive than vinyl wrapping it, but thermoplastic urethane is typically more resilient to damage than thin vinyl film. Regardless, before you tick the box for matte paint on that new car, think about whether you actually want to maintain it. This unique finish comes with a whole list of gremlin-like conditions, some of which really can be aggravating.

Top graphic image: Hyundai

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A Reader
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A Reader
6 months ago

I mean, clearly, XPEL paint protection film is the preferred solution, instead of a potential four-figure respray, amirite??

Daniel Franco
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Daniel Franco
6 months ago

“To each, their own”, of course. But every single time I see a matte finish vehicle I cannot help but think ‘’You paid that much money for a car with rattlecan primer??”

They simply look un-finished.

Red865
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Red865
6 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Franco

Same. I’m old skool, so when I see a matte black car, I think, they’re broke, couldn’t afford to do the top coats, only the primer.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
6 months ago

Don’t do it.
My classic car is painted in a matte paint and it legitimately looks amazing. But damn I would never do it again. Trying to keep it clean and dealing with repairs is a nightmare. I repainted the area around the rear window because there was rust (of course). I actually got it decently close matching to the rest of the car, but it was still a pain in the butt to do. Plus, water seems to penetrate matte easier than a regular high gloss finish.

Andrew Bugenis
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Andrew Bugenis
6 months ago

I work at a Hyundai dealer and I love how they look but I’d never buy one. Kinda upset that the IONIQ 5 N’s Performance Blue is matte-only.

Morgan Thomas
Morgan Thomas
6 months ago

I used to repaint everything I owned matte black with cheap rattle cans then sprayed a flame paint job over the top. Paint care technique was – no care, don’t wash!

A Reader
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A Reader
6 months ago
Reply to  Morgan Thomas

This is my method on my cars with gloss paint as well, LOL.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
6 months ago

The only reason I’d tick the box would be if it was going to be immediately placed in a museum.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
6 months ago

This is something I will never have to worry about. Matte paint looks like colored primer.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
6 months ago

I spray painted my 84 Cutlass Cierra coupe matte black way back in 1995. Combined with 89 Celebrity Eurosport wheels and a Pacesetter resonator on the 3.0V6, fucker was bitchin.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
6 months ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

The 2-door Cieras were actually pretty good-looking. I remember the black “Olympic” versions with alloys were particularly striking.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
6 months ago

Totally those were awesome. And how about that 2 door bubble back International Series!? The A bodies had a lot of lookers.
The internet shows me there are people still modding these with Supercharged 3800s

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
6 months ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

Oh, that’s what it was, “International Series”, with blacked-out trim and a line of Yurp flags on the decklid. I remember wrenching on one, black with a tan leather interior, console with shifter, really nice alloy rims, and super loaded for an A-body. I think it might have had a full-on 231 instead of the mini 3.0.

Last edited 6 months ago by Michael Beranek
CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
6 months ago

Yeah, it very well could’ve been one of those “modern” 3800 motors with the four speed automatic. That would sure be a nice cruiser to have around these days.
I live in Wisconsin and I still regularly see the random A body from time to time. Couple time a week and a for some reason minty one as well. I enjoyed those cars. I had 4 in different flavors!

Jerkstore
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Jerkstore
6 months ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

And to think you could have had a tan Ciera. TAN CIERA!

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
6 months ago
Reply to  Jerkstore

With the hood ornament to boot!

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
6 months ago

Always been a bad idea. See those late first gen special edition Velosters that had matte paint running around looking ROUGH these days.

CreamySmooth
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CreamySmooth
6 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

To be fair, most first gen Velosters are looking rough these days matte finish or not

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
6 months ago
Reply to  CreamySmooth

And that’s the ones that haven’t blown their motors…

CreamySmooth
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CreamySmooth
6 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

Isn’t it funny how every 3rd owner of a Veloster turbo used the same tune and nuked the motor in short order?

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
6 months ago

Car with shiny paint are enough of a pain in the ass to keep looking decent. I do NOT get the appeal of this nonsense.

The only vehicles that look good in matt paint are those in military camouflage colors. And the muddier the better.

Last edited 6 months ago by Kevin Rhodes
MikeInCO
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MikeInCO
6 months ago

I can’t get past how undersized that wheel/tire combo looks in the topshot to even consider the matte paint.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
6 months ago
Reply to  MikeInCO

And the sad part is that those are inevitably 19s or 20s on that Canyonero. But I assume that those are actually some sort of black plastic wheel well trims that make the wheels look tiny.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
6 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

If you want the poor people model, sure. Check the box for heated seats and enjoy your 27″ rims.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
6 months ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

LOL – sadly so true.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
6 months ago
Reply to  MikeInCO

Only the tires are undersized. The wheels are oversized.

MikeInCO
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MikeInCO
6 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Hahaha! That’s fair. When I bought snow tires/wheels for the family hauler, I very happily picked an 18″ with a lot more sidewall rather than the 20″ factory. It both looks and rides so much better that I am looking forward to frigid temps returning to justify the swap. The design trend towards “bigger wheels == premium” has played itself out, IMHO.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
6 months ago
Reply to  MikeInCO

I think we are getting to the point where vehicle design is such and OEMs so cheap that they don’t want to provide the necessary suspension to support the weight of a wheel/tire combo that matches the vast size heaviness of the designs they are putting out. Hopefully design comes back around to making cars that don’t need ridiculously oversize wheels to look normal.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago

I think it looks cheap and dreadful, but if one likes the look, the maintenance requirements make it an insane choice or for garage queens only. I had a partial flat black hood and trunk once and that was a PITA to keep looking acceptable even on a POS, never mind some overpriced German wankerwagen. And people get this finish on Hyukias make no sense at all or have no conception of what they’re in for. I’ll say that one of the most badass cars I’ve seen was a ’69 Charger 440 that was semigloss, but that was the effect of age rather than intent and I happen to think those cars look best just a little bit scruffy looking.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
6 months ago

You want a car with a matte finish? Buy a white car and get it wrapped. When it looks awful, get it re-wrapped.

Wuffles Cookie
Wuffles Cookie
6 months ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

Yeah, this is my thinking as well. Matte paint is way too much of a PITA to deal with, just get a matte wrap if you want the look.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
6 months ago

Man is this true. Matte finish really shouldn’t be offered on anything but enthusiast vehicles, as folks who view cars as appliances will do nothing to care for the matte paint. I have a good friend with a new Santa Fe with the matte finish and it looked great at first and looks rough today after getting tree sap dripped on it, oils from fresh asphalt, and whatever was on the brushes at the car wash they occasionally go to over the last year since they bought it.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago

I feel like matte finishes come from the time before plastidip figured out how to do gloss.

It wasn’t a choice. If you wanted to change the color of your car cheaply, you went plastidip and did not have the option of a gloss finish. The expensive cars today are just emulating the civics and very beat 3rd owner BMWs of 2007.

MrLM002
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MrLM002
6 months ago

Pastel Car paints are the way to go. Not shiny metallic, not matte.

(look at 50s cars, even when their clear coat wears through they still look great.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
6 months ago
Reply to  MrLM002

That’s because they have no clear coat.
I hate clear coat paint, especially on cars that didn’t have it originally.

MrLM002
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MrLM002
6 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

*The More You Know Intensifies*

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago
Reply to  MrLM002

That’s why you could bring old paint back to life (if there was enough thickness left to it) with abrasive polish that would kill a fussier modern finish.

Edward Hoster
Edward Hoster
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I love single stage paint and I’ve reconditioned a couple of older Porsche’s with Meguiar’s #7 and the results are phenominal. Meguiar’s #7Meguiar’s #7

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago
Reply to  Edward Hoster

Nasty for the environment, but so much better to deal with than modern 2-ply paint.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
6 months ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Mmm, acrylic lacquers! Pour on the flakes!

Jeffrey Johnson
Jeffrey Johnson
6 months ago

I put 18 coats on this baby.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago

Counterpoint: Matte paint, in fact, looks like arse.

It was slightly interesting a decade and a half ago for almost as long as ‘vader’ style body kits for Mitsubishi Eclipses were cool (they were never cool for Civics).

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
6 months ago

Ducati offered a flat black paintjob on its most basic models on the “Dark” trim of some of their motorcycles. It is pretty durable. You can wash it, you can wax it (but it won’t get shiny), and it hides most imperfections.

It seems to be everything the matte paint, above, should be but isn’t.

Birk
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Birk
6 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Original Monster and then lower trims of su sequent Monsters come to mind.

Freddy Bartholomew
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Freddy Bartholomew
6 months ago

Perhaps this discussion should include Adrian. Do car designers consider that the car may have a matte finish? How might that change the design? Personally, I’ve never seen a matte finish vehicle, other than military, that appealed to me.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago

Matte finishes are very try hard.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
6 months ago

“matte paint looks great…”

Does it, though?

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

I would never want to take care of a matte finish vehicle, but that Santa Fe bronze looks nice to me, as did some car I saw with a medium dark green matte. Ironically, the matte finishes I dislike most are black and white, which I’ve only seen on Lambos.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

And for extra, extra terrible points – matt finish with completely blacked out trim and wheels. Yuck.

Cars need jewelry.

Last edited 6 months ago by Kevin Rhodes
Dan Roth
Dan Roth
6 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Black wheels are terrible and should be a source of shame. There are a few (very few) exceptions.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

VERY much agreed obviously. I find them hateful. The murdered out look needs to die in a fire.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
6 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

It’s as unimaginative as the creative director who wears all black all the time.

Just predictable and insufferable.

Black wheels are also ugly. It looks like you’re just averse to cleaning brake dust.

AceRimmer
AceRimmer
5 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

The murdered out look needs to be… murdered???

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  AceRimmer

At this point, that look is so old and tired death by natural causes is likely.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
6 months ago

Always thought matte paint looked cool, but the first time I heard about all the care issues I decided it wasn’t something I would ever do.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
6 months ago

When I was a kid, everyone who owned a car that was more than a few years old and parked outside had matte paint…

No extra charge.

Last edited 6 months ago by Urban Runabout
Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

My Fiero has a matte hood, matte trunk, matte roof… and gloss everything else.

ThatGuyWithaFiero
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ThatGuyWithaFiero
6 months ago
Reply to  Ricki

The clear coat does have a way of jumping right off the whole panel, doesn’t it. I think it’s from the basecoat chalking through the clear, then then clear has nothing to adhere to but chalk. I could peel the clear off my car with a razor blade before I repainted it.

Red865
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Red865
6 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Good ole acrylic enamel. Break out the can of ‘Colorback’ and start rubbing! Look good for a few months.

Clearcoat paint system are great…now that they keep the topcoat on.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Maybe the peeling paint look will come to be in style too.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
5 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Rust holes in body panels are the new….

Nope – Just trash.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Now, now, in a certain set the “patina” look is all the rage. I just think it makes it look like you are too poor to properly restore your car or buy a decent one, but that’s just me.

Goof
Goof
6 months ago

Near where I live there’s a current-ish generation C43 AMG with matte paint that parks itself under a fruit tree. As in berries the size of grapes just drop all over the thing, or are left all over it as the birds eat them and leave the remains everywhere.

The wheels have been curbed up as well. It’s maybe 3 years old and looks like a pile. An $80,000+ out the door pile. I… I don’t even…

Given the W204 C63 I’m meticulously restoring I think this is just the circle of life for a lot of AMG Mercs. They immediately or after a few owners end up in the hands of someone who can’t be bothered and they get used up like Kleenex. Whenever I see an older BMW M car or AMG Merc with matte paint it’s a complete dumpster fire.

Last edited 6 months ago by Goof
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
6 months ago
Reply to  Goof

I simply cannot imagine spending $85K+ for a grey over black C Class.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago
Reply to  Goof

What powers a recent “C63?” A 1.3 liter 4 cylinder running 48 pounds of boost?

Goof
Goof
6 months ago
Reply to  Anoos

So C43, not 63. Apparently a 2.0L turbo 4-popper with 48V mild hybrid.

Yeah, I dunno either. Perhaps that’s why they park it under a tree for birds to wreak havoc on it? I have the higher-spec (507HP) 6.2L M156 V8.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago
Reply to  Goof

I never thought I would live to see the Germans ignore the significance and universality of numbers.

Goof
Goof
6 months ago
Reply to  Anoos

I always wonder what would’ve happened if we lived in some parallel universe and in that timeline forced induction never existed, and we also never progressed past lead-acid batteries.

Would performance sport sedans just be powered by some oversized weedwhacker engine hooked up to a KERS flywheel?

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago
Reply to  Goof

Mazda already has or is working on a rotary hybrid, though it’s a CUV, of course.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Carmakers’ Hills to Die On

Mazda : This time the Rotary will work!

Subaru: Our shoppers don’t want 20% more power. Give that 4 banger twice as many cams and make a sad commercial about putting a dog down.

Chevy: But you liked it when Ford did it four years ago!

Dodge: Spring Break! WOOOO!

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago
Reply to  Anoos

Friggin’ Mazda! Of all the things for a relatively small company to waste money on. There’s a reason everyone else gave up on the rotary [thinks for a moment] holy shit, like, 50 years ago! All to satisfy a small number of weirdos who geek out on smoothness and buy new cars in the dozens. Bedsides, they have EVs for the smoothness fetishists now.

Most of Subaru’s engines don’t even rev high enough to make best use of DOHC and don’t seem to make much use of variable valve timing or take advantage of better valve angles looking at their N/A power numbers. It really just serves to make the plugs a PITA to change. The one engine that does run decently high rpm shouldn’t—I’d gladly knock 1k off the redline and whatever that costs in hp to have the FA24D tuned for more usable torque and eliminate the dip, plus it could probably rock a taller gear and get better mileage (though I average 30+mpg, which I don’t think is that bad considering). With how damn slow the 2.0 Crosstreks are, they might as well go back to bulletproof OHV and gear-driven cam.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

In defense of Mazda, based on what’s happening with EREVs in China, rotary engines would be a great solution if the emissions could work. Basically all EREV engines are four cylinders mostly with a displacement of 1.5 liters which breaks the 0.5L/cylinder golden rule. This is partially due to displacement tax thresholds, but consumers complained a ton about the poor NVH of 3-cylinders when they were tried earlier. Rotary engines are a great way to get excellent NVH at smaller displacements while also making it easier to put an ICE into an EV-based platform. The theoretical optimal 4-cylinder for this application seems to be a 2.5L N/A in Atkinson cycle making around 155hp/115kW; this can be scaled down to 2.0 liters at ~125hp/92kW. If you want to hit around 75kW, a low displacement I4 is suboptimal for efficiency and packaging while an I3 or 2 cylinder will need significant NVH work; a rotary could hit that power point at a tiny displacement for great packaging while being smoother than the I4, minimizing NVH related costs.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
6 months ago

Thanks for the thoughtful discussion. Packaging has definitely got to be easier in terms of size and form, but they generate a lot of heat, which can make for a packaging challenge all its own. Maybe with low duty cycles (though that’s not a traditional rotary strength from what I understand) and ideal rpm and load matched to the generator and battery, but where they use more fuel with more fuel-burning events per rotation and oil due to design, I would still think emissions or efficiency would be a challenge. A 4-cycle as a generator running Atkinson wouldn’t be a high rpm engine, so besides some small loss, I would think it would be an easier solution to make better use of balance shafts and isolating mounts to mitigate NVH issues. Or The Man could make displacement tax exemptions for hybrids or even just ICE used exclusively as range extenders and solve that issue. The main thing, though, is continuing R&D on the rotary just seems like a poor use of resources for someone like Mazda, particularly where they’re lagging in hybrids and EVs and are not leading sales in any class I know of. I have kind of mixed feelings about Mazda, but I do like them overall and hope to see them succeed and these kinds of continuing pursuit of a dead end technology is like watching that friend who keeps dating the same kind of idiot without seeming to learn their lesson. Toyota could afford to throw money at something like a rotary (or the hydrogen that they don’t seem to want to give up on) as they sit on piles of money, but I don’t think Mazda is in that comfortable of a position (though I’d be happy to be wrong).

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

It is a waste of resources that Mazda does not have.

They already though they ‘fixed’ the rotary once with the Renesis engine in the RX-8. Flop. Range extender for the MX30? Flop.

Listen, I love a flame-shooting three rotor as much as the next guy. I don’t want to pre-mix gas and oil for a daily driver, or to accept an engine swap as routine maintenance.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Yeah it seems like a dead-end project, but maybe some engineer thought they’d found some emissions breakthrough. The rotary solution would probably cost significantly less which might’ve made it attractive to chase. I think Mazda management finally came to their senses in the 2nd half of 2024, when they shelved the RWD I6 sedan project and they hastily put together the EZ-6/6e EV sedan based on the their Chinese JV partner Changan’s platform. The EZ-60/CX-6e SUV follow-up seems far better executed.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago

They literally just did this. It existed for a few months. Nobody bought it.

Needles Balloon
Needles Balloon
6 months ago
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My understanding is that they only brought the tiny battery EV to the US market and not the EREV; the EREV would’ve definitely been the better product for the US, though probably still not a good one. Europe already had better alternatives in the class which could hit their lower range requirements, so it didn’t sell.

Goof
Goof
6 months ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Yeah, but the Germans would’ve done German things.

Porsche did do the KERS flywheel in the GT3 R (plus the Audi R18 e-tron), and BMW may have also been apt to use it given Williams’ attempts with it.

Spinning dorito failure modes have nothing on a sawblade of doom failure modes. Flywheel failures are spooky.

Last edited 6 months ago by Goof
Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  Anoos

Not sure why you would think that. The number on the trunk has only accidently matched displacement for about 50 years now. Though Mercedes was usually good about adding a second badge with more-or-less the actual displacement too, unlike BMW.

Ultimately, the only thing that matters is the bigger the number on the trunk, the faster it goes and the more it cost.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  Goof

Circle of life for the vast majority of luxury cars, sadly. The first two owners can afford them, the next bunch is just a slide into decrepitude unless they get lucky.

Goof
Goof
5 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Nah, plenty of first owners that can’t afford them either.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
5 months ago
Reply to  Goof

First owner only has to make the payments, warranty covers the issues. It’s cheap new cars that get repossessed all the time, not luxury cars.

Goof
Goof
5 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I probably dealt with a hundred plus M, S, RS and AMG cars back when I used to sell enthusiast cars and exotics. That is not what we typically sold, we got spicier stuff, but I still dealt with tons of them coming in as parts of trades for CCR.

The number of first owner enthusiast cars where they didn’t even do basic maintenance not covered for free would shock you.

We always made sure they went back out fully sorted (and as a result, some people got crushed on trade appraisal), as we had an amazing tech with an amazing background, but there are people who only want a car to talk about at the water cooler and treat it no better than a used Kleenex from the very first day they bought it.

These were people who could “make the payments” but “couldn’t afford to own the car.” I personally never had recovery on any of the many hundreds of cars I sold, but some of them we’d follow over time and see that even the shiny high-revving Italian something would be treated to nothing but deferred maintenance. Some people just abuse everything they own.

Last edited 5 months ago by Goof
Fix It Again Tony
Fix It Again Tony
6 months ago

I’ve got a matte paint car and matte ppf is what I went with.

Ishkabibbel
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Ishkabibbel
6 months ago

Harley Davidson rolled out “denim” finishes a while back. They wear in places where they’re touched frequently (like the sides of the fuel tank). Harley owners call this patina . . . I call it a non-starter.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
6 months ago
Reply to  Ishkabibbel

Jay Leno calls it perfection

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
6 months ago
Reply to  Ishkabibbel

If that takes off, they can follow the lead of guitar makers and start selling pre-worn- and -damaged new product at an additional premium.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
6 months ago

I painted a guitar with matte paint, then buffed it so that it had a nice sheen where you would expect it to rub. It looked great.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
6 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I can seethat working well. My first bass had a matte finish, which went to gloss by the pickup where I rested my thumb, in about a year.

Anoos
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Anoos
6 months ago
Reply to  Ishkabibbel

Sounds like any custom shop could have ‘distressed’ the finish in these ways and protected it with clearcoat. Hey, if you want to be crazy, go with satin or matte clear coat.

Last edited 6 months ago by Anoos
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