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How A Mid-Engined Geo Could Have Been The Most Fun Yet Useable Car Of All Time

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If I ask AI to give me choices for “the most fun to drive car ever,” it will regurgitate a whole bunch of worthy selections (determined by scouring the work of actual humans and vomiting it out with neither credit nor compensation, natch), and do so in a fraction of a second. What I’m not sure about is how well AI could do at creating a hypothetical “most entertaining yet usable car of all time” – MEYUCAT for short.

“Fun” is such a subjective thing; a computer can’t judge the responsiveness of a steering rack or throttle pedal on a mountain road on a sunny day and truly understand such “feelings,” at least not yet. Of course, with our Autopian knowledge and experience, we could find the best features from history’s most likely and unlikely hoot-to-drive machines and combine them to make The Ultimate Everyday Fun Car. Let’s give it a try.

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Grunge-Era Gold

If you believe the hype from much of the media, we are living in the “golden age of the automobile”. Subjectively, you might make a case for that, as I’m sure AI might do as well. I’m here to tell you that’s a bit of bollocks. Throw the performance figures around all you want; just because you have 1000 horsepower and can get to sixty in 2 seconds doesn’t make what you have a “fun” everyday car. I feel bad for kids today who grow up driving go-carts at some local track and then learn on a modern car and realize that it’s just not the same.

What if we could select any timeframe from which this maximum-entertainment car could come? What era of car manufacturing seemed to produce cars with the best balance of modern performance and safety features or creature comforts?

Any person you ask will claim that their generation’s music, fashion, or whatever is unarguably the best in all of recorded history. I’m sadly no different, but looking at the cold, hard facts, it seems like the late eighties or early 1990s might be a sweet spot for building our hypothetical funmobile. I promise that I’m not just picking Jane’s Addiction years because I’m a biased GenX geezer. By then, sporting cars were finally free of byzantine malaise emissions systems, and they were no longer total deathtraps with zero niceties (or had “niceties” such as air conditioning that felt like a hamster blowing over an ice cube while still sapping twenty horsepower). Electronic fuel injection was the norm, but unless you had a built-in thirty-dollar-a-minute cell phone, there was no way anyone could bother you while driving. Also, by the dawn of the nineties, you’d likely get at least one airbag and maybe ABS, but traction and stability control were still basically the driver’s right foot. In this time frame, a 4000-pound car was considered “pretty damn heavy” and not par for the course as it is with most choices today (particularly EVs). Yes, you can make an elephant dance for sure, but why not do choreography with something lighter?

The Holy of Holies from this era certainly fit our target “fun” goal; Mazda Miatas and Honda CRXs come to mind, or even the front-drive Lotus Elan. Ferraris and Porsches naturally were faster than these less expensive cars, but I think starting with a more elemental and attainable small sports machine is a better approach. Whether I own it or not, I’m always subconsciously more willing to hoon a cheaper car, aren’t you?

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Obviously, a small mid-engined machine would seem to be the ultimate in driving fun; something like a Honda Beat or a Toyota MR2. These were lightweight and rather simple cars that still eschew the cold-shower level invigoration of things on the hairy edge of being “actual cars,” such as a Lotus Seven or later impractical propositions like the Lotus Elise or bonkers Ariel Atom.

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Wait a minute – does our target car have to be a sports car? Maybe, but there are plenty of unlikely non-two-seaters from which we could gain inspiration. How about a “hot hatch,” like a GTI? No, not that GTI; I mean the one that was legally forced to change its name to “GT” a few years in after VW complained. I’m referring to the Suzuki Swift GT; taking a tiny Geo Metro and essentially doubling the horsepower while adding more grip is something that artificial intelligence might not get, but we Autopians sure would.

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It’s hard to get more fun than a “hot hatch,” but few would dispute that a mid-engined car is going to give superior handling to something chewing up its front tires. For that reason, a few brands did a 180 with their compact coupes- literally. Cars like the Renault 5 Turbo 2 or the Clio V6 took the entire drivetrain and moved it behind the front seats to make unlikely sports car fighters.

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Could a combination of those things be the answer? So maybe we’re talking about a front-drive “hot hatch” that’s been turned into a midship modern-day X1/9 or Porsche 914? I think we’re on the right track.

The Summer(y) Of Fun

We now have enough basic information to start fleshing out the basics of this Ultimate Fun Car, so we’ll stay on track. We can begin with a rough schematic:

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That looks about right, but what existing hardware of the late eighties from OEMs could we use? Let’s begin with something like that Suzuki Swift GTI, or maybe a Geo Storm/Isuzu Impulse with a similar motor to that earlier-mentioned “new” Lotus Elan. With engine and transaxle moved to the rear, we’ll keep an overall size around that of a Miata so us Americans that shop from the Extra Value Menu can fit if they suck in their guts. I’ll stick with McPherson struts up front as long as I can get a low hood on what has to be an open-topped two-seater roadster. Sure, a wedge-shaped body with pop-up lights is absolutely personal preference there, so sue me.

Put in an unassisted steering rack, a disc brake, and reasonably sized rubber at each corner, and you’ve got a concoction that should be off-the-scale fun for daily driving. Here’s roughly what I’m imagining: the Geo Gila, a midship roadster that could redeem GM by exemplifying everything you hoped the Fiero would have been but wasn’t.

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Yup, that’s about as rounded-nineties-wedge-as-wedge-can-be. Note that the thin, high taillights wrap around the rear quarters to form side marker lights and then join a black plastic trim detail that includes engine compartment vents (with slats to funnel in air at speed) and ends in recessed door handles.

Bright red? Nah, that’s expected, and I want “fun,” so an MC Hammer-era metallic Geo Teal has to be the play. In back, I’m hoping I could incorporate the CHMSL into that thin band of taillights under the spoiler above the trunk lid, with a “heat exhaust” vent flanked by backup lights in the bumper below.

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Naturally, this Japanese Isuzu-built Geo “captive import” would have a twin from the actual Asian manufacturer. The Gila’s sibling would be the Isuzu Chicane, with different front and rear clips. It’ll have round driving lights in the front grille and almost Corvette-style lights (with integral back-up lights and amber signals) instead of the Gila’s thin band taillight.

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You can imagine that the curb weight would be low enough that even 130 horsepower from a 1588cc Isuzu 4XE1 twin-cam four would give you a memorable drive. In fact, my bet is that a lot of Autopians – particularly NA Miata fans – would say that too much power might ruin the thing. I might not even offer a more hopped-up model.

Nah, I’m just kidding. Of course we’re going to throw on a turbo, bigger brakes, and rolling stock for the performance version. The car in the renderings is actually a Geo Gila Monster, also available as the Isuzu Chicane RE (get it? Chicanery?). This thing would have no business packing at least 162 horsepower with not a traction control button in sight, but you wanted fun, right? It might even have matched concurrent F-bodies or base C4s to sixty (I’m thinking mid-five seconds), but GM wouldn’t care since any prospective ‘Vette buyer wouldn’t put their New Balances into a Japanese car called a “Gila Monster” if you gave it to them.

Inside, the fun continues with separate gauges that move on the steering column. Parts bin Isuzu controls dominate. Tubular aluminum accents act as door and center console grab handles, as well as the integrated emergency brake. There are electric windows and air conditioning on the interior of this Gila Monster, but if you want to be Mr. Masochist and go all pure lightweight on us, that choice is yours. Pretty basic interior, and that’s the idea.

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The rear deck lid might be one piece, but I’d still rather see a two-part system where the skinny rear trunk has its own lid and the Isuzu turbo motor stays covered up when retrieving your (minimal) luggage, if that doesn’t add too much weight and complexity.

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Under the hood, there isn’t a lot of cargo space in front of the space saver tire, but at least it’s more than some current EVs that inexplicably offer absolutely nothing:

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The best part about the Gila and Gila Monster? They would likely be affordable and economical, so you wouldn’t be afraid to hammer it. Maybe you find wrenching on your old Lotus to be fun, but most of us prefer being able to drive our cars. Those old Japanese powerplants mean that you’d likely be out carving through canyons while the guy with an ancient Elan was home trying to track down bad grounds in his fiberglass car or replacing those rubber donuts in the driveline. Plus, as a new car, the Gila version would have allowed you to get dealer servicing at one of the bazillion Chevy stores across the country. No hassles is the ultimate fun in my book.

As a U.S. market 1992 car, our own Mercedes Streeter wouldn’t need to spend countless hours and endanger her life importing a mold-covered beat-to-shit thirty-five-year-old example of a Gila Monster herself today (come on, this stupid little green cheese wedge has Ms. Mercedes written all over it).

AI Means “Autopian Intelligence,” Thank You

Look, ultimately it would make my life easier to have artificial intelligence create whatever I want to see with just a few word prompts. I’m not going to be that Luddite demanding an old Honeywell round loudly clicking dome thermostat on the wall instead of a Smart Nest or Ecobee (like my dad), but I have yet to see proof that such AI systems can give me exactly what I’m looking for just yet.

Still, if AI could reliably make all of the drawings and renderings of my concepts for this site, I’d have more time free to drive my 1992 Geo Gila Monster. Well, if it existed, that is.

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MtnGeek
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MtnGeek
6 months ago

I’m gonna need to see the 90’s era body kits I can get for it before I can sign off on the design

Dan Parker
Dan Parker
6 months ago

To be really period correct the US market would get a pushrod 2.4l 4cyl, maybe sohc but probably pushrod, that made 112hp. The JDM variant would get the 1.6l dohc 5 spd w/LSD and some weird digital gauge pack with a HUD. We’d only know about them it becuase playstation and 25-30 years later they’d be unobtainium cars and coffee darlings.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
6 months ago

It’s fantastic for then. Now we need your interpretation of an EV Stratos with real rally potential. Inboard, pivoting motor mounts(to reduce stress on half shafts) for each double wishbone coil-over wheel, easy pit stop swappable battery packs. As basic as possible controllers that allow torque vectoring, maybe as simple as wheel speed sensors and steering angle sensor, to give more juice to outside.
Fiat X 1/9 was the closest to go-cart feel of any production car I’ve been in. A reproduction Super Seven was way beyond any go-cart.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
6 months ago

Geo already sold the Corolla as the Prizm, so more realistically this would have been a MR2.

Mr. RabbitGTI
Mr. RabbitGTI
6 months ago

Counterpoint: a mid-engined 2-seater is always a compromise in terms of carrying capacity.

You were on the right track with the Suzuki Swift and/or Geo Storm, with reasonable seating for 4 and a hatchback with foldable rear seats for when you have to carry the entire contents of your dorm room home from college. But you greatly diminish the utility by making it mid-engined, losing much of the cargo and half the passenger capacity.

Instead, how about a hotter hatch? Take VW’s GTI and give it the engine from the Corrado and all wheel drive. Behold, the VW Golf Rallye, which we sadly never got in the US: https://historicdb.fia.com/car/volkswagen-golf-rallye-g-60-1764-0

Jimmy7
Jimmy7
6 months ago

Then Ford weighs in…Mid-engine Mercury Capri? Four-wheel drive and turbo engine from the Mazda GTX?

Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago

Make it a targa top and give me the Chicane thank you. (The Geo styling is a little to Catfish Camero for my tastes. (Don’t get me wrong I love the Catfish but one and a half (counting the Firebird) is enough.))

Allen Lloyd
Allen Lloyd
6 months ago

Would a geo Storm front clip fit on my K20 swapped Fiero? Never had that thought until seeing this.

Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago
Reply to  Allen Lloyd

Fiero is about two inches wider overall. I bet with some massaging you could do it.

Also hell yeah k20 swap Fiero. Got any pics?

Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago
Reply to  Allen Lloyd

Nice! Gonna be a rad package.

Allen Lloyd
Allen Lloyd
6 months ago
Reply to  Ricki

Yep it is built to autoX and this has been the summer of reliability. That being the goal is by the end of the summer to get through an event with no mechanical issues. So far that has not happened, but it has come close. Fingers crossed this will be the weekend!

Tbird
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Tbird
6 months ago

The late ’80s, 90’s were sublime. My ’94 5 speed SHO punched above it’s weight. My ’96 V8 T’bird was an under the radar interstate bomber. My 4.0 ’89 XJ Cherokee was the perfect blend of utility and fun and DGAF. I had a stick shift drop top Jimney rental in Greece – sublime. Each started and ran ever damn time with no hassle due to EFI.

I don’t need massive size or power, hell everything has power anymore. I miss fun.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
6 months ago

I have a hopefully great idea for an alternate history series. My original idea for most entertaining useful car was originally going to be a rally FD RX7 wagon that’s still a two seater but with a flat floor big enough to sleep in.

Instead I think it might be more fun if instead of developing the rotary engine to prevent the government forcing them to merge with another automaker, Mazda were forced to merge with Suzuki before either finished developing their rotary car / bike. Their cultures seem to be very compatible with each other and while a lot of products overlap, most don’t.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
6 months ago

As a previous owner of a ’96 3-dr Metro LSi with the three cylinder engine and a 5MT, I can fully endorse this… I would be one of the weirdos trying to do a numbers-matching resto on one of these fictional beasts.

JDE
JDE
6 months ago

Would the Toyota Previa mid mounted motor and AWD fit in a Metro somehow? Maybe make it closer to the CRX in that no back seats exist, but plant that little 2TZ more rearward biased. but retain the AWD for midwest love. I recall the 2TZ was even available with a turbo.

Scott
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Scott
6 months ago

This is a carefully reasoned and delightfully expressed thought experiment that I wholeheartedly endorse. The Gila Monster does indeed sound just about perfect, though I’d personally probably opt for the hardtop version. 🙂

Extra kudos for metallic teal.

The closest thing in reality to this IME is likely the aforementioned MR2 (first gen) which is a pretty great car in it’s way/time/even now, once freshened. My friend is on his third one.

Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
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Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
6 months ago

But, can a fresh 1992 graduate afford one on 48 month paper?

The Bishop's Brother
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The Bishop's Brother
6 months ago

Silver metal tubing handbrake lever in a convertible. I just burned my hand THINKING about that lever. Next you’ll put black vinyl seats in it.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
6 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Ford on the other hand would have taken its 00s Bullitt/Mach One metal shifter ball route, the one that scalded many a driver.

RoRoTheGreat
RoRoTheGreat
6 months ago

Whoa! That car is PERFECT!

Can I get it with gray BBS stye honeycomb rims???

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
6 months ago

Geo Fiero kind of has a ring to it. Having owned a Swift GT, I highly endorse. That power train was also undestructable. Lowest long term running costs of any car I’ve had and it was consistently used at the top of it’s RPM range. 😉

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
6 months ago

You’ve created a Monster.

TK-421
TK-421
6 months ago

Like what could have been the 3rd gen MR2? “Shut up and take my money!”

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
6 months ago

To me, this thing looks like it should have been the Saturn halo car! There could have been a whole Saturn themed marketing campaign about how it ran rings around all the other sporty cars.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
6 months ago

It appears you’ve described a Fiero, but make it convertible. The final one with the “better” suspension. And some kind of engine that’s better than an Iron Duke.

Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I was looking at that design sheet and I literally thought “Why, that’s what I’m planning on doing with a Fiero one day, is stuffing a turbo Ecotec in it.”

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
6 months ago
Reply to  Ricki

My theoretical Fiero is getting a supercharged 3800 Buick, but you do you 🙂

Ricki
Ricki
6 months ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

3800 Series II is a solid engine. I’m just going for snappy, and the power-to-weight is good here. As long as you keep the oil changed the 1.4T is a stout lil guy.

IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
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IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
6 months ago

I agree, if this car actually existed Mercedes would own at least two of them. As a low-volume cult classic car (no way that even 50,000 of these are sold in the US) she would attract the best people at the car show. The people who know, know. They will want to bask in the glory of her Gila while dads scrunch up their faces and say “Those Geos are economy cars and they’ll get you killed because they’re slow” before hobbling over to the 23rd Corvette they’ve seen that day.

Charles Kaneb
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Charles Kaneb
6 months ago

This is remarkably similar to the Toyota MR2 Spyder, which I would nominate as the best gasoline sportscar ever built. Every control does exactly what you want it to.

TK-421
TK-421
6 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

A better-looking 3rd gen MR2. I’m in.
(Had two 1st gens and would like a 2nd, but just can’t get behind the 3rd gen styling.)

Steve's House of Cars
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Steve's House of Cars
6 months ago
Reply to  Charles Kaneb

We loved our MR2 Spyder. Extremely fun to drive, very sporty, but great gas mileage and storage even. We were able to use it for weekend getaways and even got the dog in the car with the wife and I.

A Geo Gila does sound like an intriguing alternative.

Martin Dollinger
Martin Dollinger
6 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Oh, you certainly did (signed by an MR2 Spyder owner since 2003) 🙂

FloridaNative
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FloridaNative
6 months ago
Reply to  Charles Kaneb

Front end of the Gila looks all 2nd gen MR2 to me. I fully expected this was going to be another GM-Toyota joint product (ala Geo Prizm or Pontiac Vibe) based on the MR2.

10001010
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10001010
6 months ago

This would certainly displace the Storm. I think I kinda prefer the Chicane RE tbh.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
6 months ago

I like it – but I’m getting 2nd Gen Pontiac Fiero more than anything else from this.
(Actually – would have been 3rd Gen if the 2nd Gen 89-90 Fiero prototype had made production)

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