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Old Trucks From Up North: 1960 International B112 vs 1964 Ford Econoline

Sbsd 8 27 2025
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Old trucks never die; they just run like crap and drive you nuts trying to trace a wiring short. Oh wait, no–that’s just my old truck. Today’s old trucks both run just fine. They’re both from up north in Minnesota, but are surprisingly not rusted out.

Yesterday we looked at two cars with T-tops, and once again I was surprised by the outcome. I expected the Camaro to win, despite having sat for a while, just because of its V8 and manual transmission. The comments seemed to be in its favor as well, but in the end, the Nissan Pulsar won by a few dozen votes.

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You can definitely count me on Team Pulsar here. I’ve never really warmed to the fourth-generation Camaros and Firebirds; they’re too bulbous. I like the sharp-edged third-generation ones better. Besides, I already have a car with a big V8. I don’t really need another one.

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“Fixing up” an old vehicle can mean a lot of things: some cars just need a little refreshing to bring them back to life, others have some rust that needs repairing, and others need absolutely everything. I’ve never tackled a “needs everything” project, and I doubt I ever will. I like the idea of keeping a car’s patina but bringing it back to life mechanically. The sellers of these two trucks seem to have the same idea, and have kept their “just pulled out of the back forty” appearance, but gone through all the systems to get them running and driving. Let’s check them out.

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1960 International-Harvester B112 – $3,000

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 240 cubic inch OHV inline 6, four-speed manual, RWD

Location: up near Walker, MN

Odometer reading: unknown

Operational status: Runs and drives, but brakes need a little help

These days, if you want a full-size truck, you go to Chevy, GMC, Ford, or Dodge (sorry, Ram), or if you’re a little more daring, maybe Toyota or Nissan. Once upon a time, however, there was another serious player in the truck market: International-Harvester. International made a full line of trucks, from basic half-ton pickups all the way up through the big guys. This style, the B series, was only built for a couple of years, making this a pretty rare truck, even among Internationals.

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International offered its Black Diamond overhead-valve inline sixes in a couple of different sizes; I’m guessing based on the horsepower rating listed on the build tag that this is the larger 240 cubic inch version. It’s backed by a four-speed manual, probably with a “granny” first gear. The seller tuned it up, replaced the fuel pump and filter, and now it runs just fine. The brake lines have been replaced too, but the system still needs some bleeding.

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Cars in general were a lot more Spartan in 1960, but trucks were even more so. There’s nothing in here except the controls necessary to operate it. Someone added a tachometer–held on to the steering column with a muffler clamp, nice touch–and what I assume is either an oil pressure gauge or a temperature gauge. The bench seat is probably toast under that cover, but it’s easy enough to replace with a seat from something else.

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It’s impressively rust-free for a sixty-five-year-old truck from Minnesota. Yeah, there’s some, but I would expect the bottom third of it to have the structural integrity of a lace doily by now. The left front fender and bumper are pushed in a bit, but I think that just adds character. Like a lot of old farm trucks, it has a flatbed with wooden stake sides in place of a steel bed. It makes some chores easier, and others harder, but it looks perfect on a truck like this.

1964 Ford Econoline 100 – $5,000

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 144 or 170 cubic inch OHV inline 6, three-speed manual, RWD

Location: near Hanover, MN

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Odometer reading: unknown

Operational status: Runs and drives well

The original Ford Econoline was part of the Falcon compact lineup, and designed to compete with the Volkswagen van, along with the Chevy Corvair van. While those two have their engines under the floor in the rear, the Econoline houses its inline six up front, between and just behind the front seats, a layout that would later be copied by both Chevy and Dodge for their vans.

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In 1964, the Econoline was available with one of two inline sixes, and I have no idea which one this one has. I do know that it’s backed by a three-speed manual with a shifter on the column. The seller says it runs very well, and it has a new exhaust, tires, and brakes. It hasn’t been registered since 2009, though, so it’s probably worth checking everything else out before slapping plates on it and hitting the road.

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It’s a panel van, so there’s nothing but sheetmetal from the seats back, and for some reason it has been painted in several different colors inside. It did live through the second half of the ’60s and the entirety of the 7’0s, though, and who knows what things it may have seen in that time? It has cool diamond-tufted seats up front, and some excellent period-correct JC Whitney doodads, including a wood-rimmed Grant steering wheel and a big chrome barefoot gas pedal. It includes lots of parts in the back, including the original steering wheel, if you prefer it.

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It’s mostly in primer outside, and there is a little rust, but overall it’s solid. The seller says the frame and floors are in good shape as well, and what we can see in the photos confirms that. I love the slotted mag wheels on it. You could leave it in primer, or you could hand it over to an artist friend and let them create an epic mural on the side.

Honestly, most of the time, I couldn’t care less how a car looks. Dull paint? Dents? Rust? Don’t care. I do, however, want cars to run and drive properly, so these two appeal to me. If they really do run as well as the sellers claim, they could be fun vehicles to bomb around in. So what’ll it be: the farm truck, or the Scooby-Doo van?

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Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
1 month ago

In my alt-history construction of Ford, they evolved the cab-over Econoline alongside the F-series right up until discontinuing it in 1997 when the government finally made them add at least one airbag (Ford: NO) and worked with Cummins to put the 5.9 family in them because the restricted width of the center console meant no big-block V8s. So there were two ways to get a Cummins I6 diesel – Dodge, or the fantasy 3rd- and 4th-gen Ford Econoline.

(Alt-history fanfiction post over)

Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
1 month ago

I need more of this.

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
1 month ago

Hmm, tough one. I don’t really have a need for that truck and I suspect there is evil underneath so today is a Scooby-doo kind of day. As long as the inside of that van doesn’t smell like skunk weed, that’s my pick. Even though the crumple zone are my legs.

Luxobarge
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Luxobarge
1 month ago

Unpopular opinion: this is a “neither” day. I’m not into patina, they both look like a bear to get fully operational, and even fixed up these vehicles would not be particularly comfortable to drive.

Toomanyfumes
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Toomanyfumes
1 month ago

The International does not look fun to drive, but I picked it instead of the overpriced Ford.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
1 month ago

Both are cool – this is close to a “both” day.

I prefer the truck but voted for the van due to condition. The truck may not have rust holes or structural rust we can see, but there is a lot not shown in the photographs and I’m not encouraged by the rust I do see. I suppose the van could be crusty underneath, but that seems less likely given the condition of the floorboards. Given only the information available, the van seems like a better bet.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 month ago

Zoinks!!! The Econoline is just too inviting of a blank canvas for me to ignore. Time to practice airbrushing Franzettas. Now, where can I source some 2″ shag carpeting?

Rich Hobbs
Rich Hobbs
1 month ago

I believe you mean Frazetta. As in Frank Frazetta…Did a lot if covers for Sci Fi and Fantasy paperback novels back in the day. Him and a guy named Boris. That’s all I remember. I have some timers. Maybe just let a bunch of kids tag the outside all over. If this van’s rockin …

Luxobarge
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Luxobarge
1 month ago
Reply to  Rich Hobbs

I believe he means Franzias, as in the box wine. A perfect canvas for practicing airbrushing, since you can get drunk on cheap wine while you do it.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 month ago
Reply to  Rich Hobbs

DOH! Damn “n”!

And yeah, he and Boris Vallejo (I double-checked the spelling this time) are the kings of 70’s van murals.

Last edited 1 month ago by MaximillianMeen
MATTinMKE
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MATTinMKE
1 month ago

It’s a Both day!

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

You can have mine. I’m in the neither camp today.

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
1 month ago

Both are cool, and both are worth saving. I was pretty sure I would pick the International but there is something I find so charming about the front end of that Econoline. You can make all the free candy jokes you want, but before too long that would have at least one porthole/ bubble window in back, some shag carpet, and a futon… don’t come knockin’.

I was at the MN state fair last night and as usual I enjoyed looking at the old tractors/farm equipment. While I assume a Tractor edition of Shitbox Showdown would not go over so well with the commentariat, I think it could be a fun Friday edition. I have never farmed, nor do I have use for a tractor, but some of them are really beautiful machines.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 month ago

That’s a mighty fine idea, especially as a way to learn about tractor matters – front-end loaders, hydrostatic vs. manual transmission, PTO rating…

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

A deep dive on the different configurations would also be pretty cool.

Dodd Lives
Dodd Lives
1 month ago

I’d be all for that, especially if we could get into the bats*** crazy engineering of the early years, where anything went. I got to spend some time with a Rock Island Heider, with a friction drive transmission. You vary ratios by sliding the entire engine back and forth on rails.

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
1 month ago
Reply to  Dodd Lives

Bats*** crazy is right, one of the earliest tractors that I saw last night had what I assumed to be a large round weight hanging of the side of the engine cover (I assumed counterweight for pulling large machinery) turned out to actually be a pulley to drive another implement in front of the tractor. Based on the explanation I got from the owner it doesn’t sound like the machines would be connected by anything other than a belt, and the tractor would remain stationary, but I imagine it would be difficult to align the pulleys and provide the correct tension for the belt.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 month ago

Yep, looks like this. Tricks that help: the belt is long and heavy so it tensions itself by gravity, and the pulleys are crowned so the belt naturally centers itself.

Also, that is one of the only two working examples of that particular make/model of steam tractor in the world, the other example was sitting next to it out of frame.

It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Thank you! I have been racking my brain about how the belt would stay in place without being forced into a groove but it’s the opposite!

Dodd Lives
Dodd Lives
1 month ago

‘Belting up’ a tractor and an implement took a fair bit of know-how, too. A belt slipping off while under load could be pretty dangerous. I used to work at a museum that did living history demonstrations with steam tractors, gas tractors and stationary engines powering threshing machines, rock crushers, sawmills, etc – all driven with belts. I developed a healthy respect for the guys that ran those things.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 month ago

Both are cool but I have always like older International Harvesters a bit more then old Econoline (which are also really cool)

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
1 month ago

I could go either way, but I did the FC van just a bit more. Would make a groovy camper of sorts.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago

I went with the flatbed. Irma Harding would approve.

KevinB
KevinB
1 month ago

Are the Ford tires new, or were they new in 2009 when it last ran? The floorboards on the International are rusted through, soon to be a Flintstone-mobile. No thanks to both.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
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IRegertNothing, Esq.
1 month ago
Reply to  KevinB

Sadly I also have vote neither today. One is a rust bucket and the other is laughably overpriced.

Acrimonious Mofo
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Acrimonious Mofo
1 month ago

I don’t particularly like trucks, but I do find this B112 oddly compelling. That said there is no way I am not voting for the Mystery Machine project van.

StillPlaysWithCars
StillPlaysWithCars
1 month ago

I’m not mad that you all chose poorly yesterday, just disappointed.

Ishkabibbel
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Ishkabibbel
1 month ago

There’s no accounting for taste, that’s for sure.

AlterId, redux
AlterId, redux
1 month ago

At the same price the van’s an automatic pick, but five grand‽

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 month ago
Reply to  AlterId, redux

“liked” just for the interrobang.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

Van!! Yeah, I’ll be first at the scene of the crash, but it’s just cool.

Plus, I’m betting parts for that corn binder are getting rare on the ground.

Knowonelse
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Knowonelse
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

There is an International parts place at the other end of town up here in the California foothills. https://www.ihpartsamerica.com

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 month ago

I love the truck, but the van is ideal for handing out free candy at the playground.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Old trucks not a headrest to be found.
I wonder what newer 4×4 frame would fit under that van body.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
1 month ago

I really like both (ancient, straight 6, manual, yeah!) but that Ford van has “Free Candy” vibes and I’m afraid I’d get pulled over every time I left the neighborhood.

It’s funny that my 92 F-250 is almost as spartan as that International, manual everything, big long shifter, rubber floor, blanket covering the bench seat…

ImissmyoldScout
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ImissmyoldScout
1 month ago

I should vote for the International, but that Econoline just speaks to me in a “Scooby Doo Mystery Machine” kinda way. If it weren’t for those pesky kids…

Data
Data
1 month ago

Is it wrong that I want to buy it and create a Mystery Machine replica? I never understood why the live action movies didn’t use one of these forward control style vans. It always bugged me.

TK-421
TK-421
1 month ago

I’ve always thought those vans were kinda cool. If it runs well, groovy. Do I paint it or leave it alone? (I was a kid during the 70s van craze.)

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago

The International would be more useful to me, plus is has some inexplicable charm about it.

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

International is good the way it is, but those look pretty great with a stepside bed and dropped down for a sport truck look. https://assets.shannons.com.au/images/M5E60947K35ECNEB/YR5D0SDEQK4L87DF/1078x809x3/xs0nhaepnxeqzvac.jpg

MikeInTheWoods
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MikeInTheWoods
1 month ago

3 on the tree and the foot shaped gas pedal. Those vans can be pretty cool when all dressed up.

Lewis26
Lewis26
1 month ago

The barefoot gas pedal sealed the deal on the Ford for me.

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