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Online Media Is At A Fork In The Road, So We’re Removing Ads For Members

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Here’s some fun math. At our current rates, if you become a member of this website at our lowest annual price (a little less than $4 a month), in order for us to make the same amount of money by just seeing ads, you’d have to view a minimum of 6,500 articles a year.  These calculations are, in reality, based on an ideal situation that doesn’t exist. Advertisers don’t want to show the same ad to the same person 100 times, so the more you view the website, the less money we make per ad, and it becomes something akin to Achilles and the Tortoise, which means it might actually be impossible to read enough stories to break-even relative to a member.

If you want to know why so many of the websites you love are closing or getting worse, this is the big reason. It’s not just social media, reading habits, search engines, and Private Equity that are to blame; it’s that the assumptions websites are built around (more traffic, more ads, forever) are simply wrong. It’s why so much of what you read on the Internet is either AI slop or written by content creators who work in what amount to digital sweatshops.

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The big story in advertising technology this week? A bunch of companies were basically tricked into paying money to put ads on an adult website app, which means if we want to compete for programmatic advertising (the kind of automated ads you mostly see here) dollars, we have to try to beat that. Here’s a great quote from an Adweek article about this:

“This whole ecosystem is sort of like the subprime mortgage thing, where there’s really bad inventory repackaged with high quality inventory, and they say, ‘It’s good inventory!’”

This is all to say that while we’re grateful to have anyone read our work, the structure of online advertising generally makes it so that if we were a solely ad-based site, we wouldn’t be financially motivated to make stuff you’ll love to read. Someone tricked into reading a post is worth as much as someone who is genuinely interested in a story. There’s no money in brand-building. In the short term, all the money is in brand destruction: killing what’s good, firing writers, and trying to squeeze every last cent out of every eyeball.

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From the perspective of the people who buy media brands, it makes a sort of sense. The chart always has to go up and to the right, so with the tools most people who run websites are given the obvious move is to reduce cost by replacing real journalists with overseas freelancers and increase revenue by stuffing some more dirtbox Taboola crap at the bottom of an infinitely scrolling stream.

Readers hate this. They hate this. Everyone knows readers hate this. Everyone feels bad about it. Almost no one changes anything.

So we’re changing it as much as we can. And not just because we also hate it (we do), but because we think that the greatest way to create a valuable and resilient media brand that’ll survive into the future is to make a product that people love to read. It’s not a sophisticated thought, but it’s a complicated one to execute.

If you’re a logged-in and paying member of this website, you’ve probably noticed that almost all the ads have disappeared. Those autoplay videos? They’re not autoplaying anymore. The little video mobile that pops up on your phone? It’s not there. The banner ads, they’re gone. This is both a “thank you” to current members for support, and an investment in the future.

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A person who pays a small amount each month to this website in order to read it (and get a cool shirt, if that’s what they want) brings lifetime value that is literally thousands of times greater than someone who follows a Facebook link here and reads something once.

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I did the math, because that’s my job, and the amount I suspect we’ll lose from this change is the equivalent of adding about 100 members. Many of you have told me that the one thing keeping you from becoming a member is that you have to see ads, so I’m asking you to please follow up on that statement by becoming a member if you’re able.

To clarify, this doesn’t mean that as a member you won’t see anything that resembles advertising. By not buying traffic or tricking people to read our site, we’ve assembled a large audience (bigger than a lot of legacy media brands) of people who buy a lot of cars. This place is full of people who love to wrench, or dream of wrenching. This is an incredibly valuable audience and the partnerships we do, like the one currently involving our Murano CrossCabriolet, are so fun to read that we wouldn’t want to restrict members from seeing that.

But display ads? So long as we can afford to, those are going away for logged-in paying members.

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Will we adjust what kind of ads we show non-members? Probably, yeah. Our initial goal was to have 50% fewer ads than our main competitors, so maybe that number will go to 33%, or we’ll allow more ad-types. We might do some more reminders about membership to folks who aren’t members. All the same, we want people who come here to have a great experience, whether it’s their first visit or their 9,000th, so we are still aiming to make this place feel better than other sites, even for those who can’t pay for the content.

Ultimately, the more we’re interested in what members say, and the less we have to duke it out with adult-oriented apps for ad dollars, the better this website will be. While almost every other one of our competitors has to make their website worse to survive, we’ll be focused on making our website better, and I suspect that’ll result in us being the best and most valuable car site in the world (I kinda already think we’re the best).

If this sounds good to you, please consider becoming a member (also help us force Adrian into a SsangYong). And to those who made the decision to join up before this, thank you again for your support.

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Danger Ranger
Danger Ranger
1 day ago

I am now upgrading, not just because of this article, but also the Adrian/Ssangyong Koranda thing. (Spelling may not be right)

Egg Enthusiast
Egg Enthusiast
1 day ago

Thanks for making these changes, just subscribed as a result. Learning about the economic realities car journalism are tickle the same part of my brain that collects minidiscs.

I_drive_a_truck
I_drive_a_truck
1 day ago

Missed Muppet Movie reference. Shame!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-mGXLgGqkY

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

Just a suggestion but I am a fan of the rarer vehicles. They have very narrow sites but do well. They make extra money having classified ads. Allow people to buy classified ads selling a forgotten project or parts no longer needed maybe pay to post an ad for a needed rare part. It ain’t going to make you rich but hey a dozen salvage yards paying $20 a month is $240 a month or $2750 a year.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

Hey Matt I agree 100% and have been saying it for years. The main problem is people get sick of repeated ads so they figure a way to avoid it. Then the party selling reaching the target market plays with the metrics and all of a sudden the advertised is told they are reaching more people. Yet sales do not grow. Why? Well do a Google search. You get 3 million results, no one has the time and most of them are worthless and the top results are worthless because the advertiser paid for top billing. Yet they are being scammed because their ads are being spammed out to everyone and not target market. I appreciate the decrease in worthless ads but I don’t mind relevant ads. Reach out to brands that are car specific and sell ads that actually represent want car people want. Similar to the wrap or CoPart Partnership. Get Meguires to create videos on how their different products work a6how to use them and pay for a video ad. Tires video ads, paint video ads etc. you get ad revenue and information for members looking for information and products they need and how to use them. Continue to have trusted writers evaluate the product and don’t allow crap like Rock Auto to advertise unless they improve their customer service interface. if advertisers have crappy Amazon we have everything even parts that don’t exist refuse them. That improves the quality of the products offered and improves the purchase and satisfaction of selling and buying.

Ostronomer
Ostronomer
1 day ago

Oh, you *are* the best car site in the world. I mean, assuming we’re measuring by surprise and delight.

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago

Honestly,
I read your website BECAUSE it is free. Let’s be real: this isn’t a site to learn how to wrench properly. It is more about me wanting to see how cheap you can do a repair job and still drive the car. You have absolutely no car repair experts on here. The koy is hearing how you messed up. Youtube University provides actual knowledge about wrenching. You are blessed to have good personalities and writing skills, but you aren’t talented enough to charge for your articles. I have no idea why a reader would become a member, as you have little to offer beyond sleeping in unattractive cars. Or rusty Holy Grails. Tail light retrospectives. Smart car disasters. Remain as you are and be happy to earn a meager living. All love, no hate intended.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

Tell me you just popped on the site today, read one article and made assumptions. Please go away or read more and learn. Some articles are wrenching,some are entertaining you need to educate yourself before hand. Read learn stick around provide your knowledge and experience we all appreciate it. Snarky comments not so much. But welcome take time to enjoy

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago

I have been here since they poached Jalopnik. I didn’t just stumble on this site today. I know what I am talking about. I gave my honest opinion, and you got upset with it. Cool. That happens. Like I said, all love, no hate.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
1 day ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

How strange, I don’t recognize you.

“Let’s be real: this isn’t a site to learn how to wrench properly. It is more about me wanting to see how cheap you can do a repair job and still drive the car.”

That IS wrenching properly. Any idiot can fire a parts cannon at a problem. It takes an expert to identify the actual issue and only repair/replace what is necessary. THAT is by definition is the cheapest way to do a repair job and still drive the car.

Last edited 1 day ago by Cheap Bastard
Dead Elvis, Inc.
Dead Elvis, Inc.
1 day ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

I have been here since they poached Jalopnik

Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of poached.

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
21 hours ago

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/poach#:~:text=If%20an%20organization%20poaches%20members,informal%5D%20More%20Synonyms%20of%20poach 2. transitive verb
If an organization poaches members or customers from another organization, they secretly or dishonestly persuade them to join them or become their customers.
Companies sometimes poach employees from one another. 

Synonyms: takestealappropriatesnatch [informal]   More Synonyms of poach
poaching  uncountable noun
The union was accused of poaching. 

Dead Elvis, Inc.
Dead Elvis, Inc.
9 hours ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

You know you’ve got no real defense when you just pull out the dictionary.

If you’d used poached correctly, there’d have been no need to resort to this sort of pedantic clownshow. You also don’t seem to understand how the Autopian was born.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
1 day ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

Car culture is about more than sketchy You Tube repair videos. Sometimes it’s about taillights, Smart Cars and the gross abuse of the term “Holy Grail”. If you want to stop by and rain “love” down on the heads of the fine folks producing this site nobody is forcing you to pay for it. Remain as you are and be happy to, umm, do whatever it is you do when you’re not being kind of a jerk. All love, bruh.

Last edited 1 day ago by DialMforMiata
Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

I was offering my opinion, and it might seem harsh. I get it. I didn’t mean to offend the authors or the readers. I meant what I said, though, including the all love, no hate. I am at peace. Subscribe away if you enjoy.

Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
6 hours ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

It’s not harsh, it’s objectively wrong and subjectively dumb.

Dogpatch
Dogpatch
1 day ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

You forgot about the gross overuse of the term “unobtanium “

Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
6 hours ago
Reply to  Al Cutturini

> You have absolutely no car repair experts on here

You can’t possibly be serious.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 day ago

Second year member here, is there a way to order more t-shirts? I will definitely pay for it but I’ve already worn mine out from last year

Silent But Deadly
Silent But Deadly
1 day ago

For the (at best) minimum AU$80 it would cost me to support you guys each year… I’ll stick with ads. Especially since the comments bell doesn’t work on the phone.

I think I’d consider a subscription if there was more long form analysis of the issues and stories surrounding the international motoring community (which seems to be missing from online automotive media) rather than so much of the “what I did today”, “entertaining brain fart” or “regurgitated social media” posts which I already enjoy and contribute excessively to in the Oppo community…

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago

bingo

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

It’s $4 a month

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago

He’s Aussie and who knows what his exchange rate is.

Endlesstee
Endlesstee
1 day ago

Sold. I’m happy to pay for quality writing and a little spark of joy each day.

Kleinlowe
Kleinlowe
1 day ago

I’d love to have a feature where I could click on a non-sub’s icon to gift them a month of Cloth or something. While it is a slightly apples to oranges comparison, Twitch (David: This is a website where people watch other people play videogames.) has really figured out how to streamline the process of encouraging people to pay for content. There’s a bunch of comments in this thread I would have dropped a gift Cloth on if I could.

Kleinlowe
Kleinlowe
1 day ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

I also realize this infers giving community members a flair that shows their current subscription status and level. That kind of thing would be transparently commercial and encourage the most base and juvenile reflex to purchase a high(er)-level sub for imaged internet social status.

You should totally do it.

Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
Harvey's PJs (Not His Real Name)
6 hours ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

Make every member’s flair icon be clickable so you can buy the same membership.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 day ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

I second this. This especially encourages active members who may not be able to afford a membership to get to experience the same benefits of those who can afford it (and can pass it along to others)

Jack Beckman
Jack Beckman
1 day ago

I’m already a member, and I would never force *anyone* into a SsangYong (well, maybe Tavares).

This is a very welcome move – reading the site on my phone, even logged in, was quite annoying with that weird windowed ad.

Mr E
Mr E
1 day ago

My mantra is you get what you give. For the same reason I buy way too much merch from a struggling small-time band that I believe in, I signed up last week at the Vinyl level.

Not to be a pest, but any idea how long it’ll be until I get my Autopian shirt? I can’t wait to wear an aggressively orange shirt to the store. 🙂

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  Mr E

I have not received any of my yearly renewal merchandise is that because I donated every month?

Ben
Ben
14 hours ago

Possibly. I would send Matt an email. I be he’ll get you taken care of.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
1 day ago

Velour member here. I love this move, and I love the transparency of how this decision was made.

I was thinking of upping my membership, but the next level is RCL, and I can’t swing that. Can we have something in between? I don’t really need or want more schwag…

Slower Louder
Slower Louder
1 day ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

Velour me too. Leather is out of my range. But there are moments like today when I would simply contribute a little more cash because I feel like it, if you provided a “donate “ button in some way.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
21 hours ago
Reply to  Slower Louder

Donate button is a great idea.

Bleeder
Bleeder
1 day ago

I think this is a courageous, valiant move and it is a cannon shot declaring the values for which The Autopian stands.
I applaud you and hope that you continue to have success that you deserve!

Angular Banjoes
Angular Banjoes
1 day ago

Alright… you convinced me.

Jeff Diamond
Jeff Diamond
1 day ago

Matt, you just guaranteed my next renewal. Nicely done!

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
1 day ago

Someone please make Adrian getting into the Rodius into a GIF. I need to see his soul leave his body on repeat.

My 0.02 Cents
My 0.02 Cents
1 day ago
Reply to  TheCoryJihad

He has a soul?

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
1 day ago
Reply to  My 0.02 Cents

Yup. Makes Vanta black look bright

TheCoryJihad
TheCoryJihad
15 hours ago
Reply to  My 0.02 Cents

Just because it’s a dark soul doesn’t mean he’s soulless.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
1 day ago

This makes me so happy on so many levels

Harvey Firebirdman
Harvey Firebirdman
1 day ago

inserts *and there was much rejoicing* gif

MazdaLove
MazdaLove
1 day ago

As a digital migrant who used to sit in the library to read Car and Driver, I always understood that if I wanted that magazine at my house, I would have to pay a subscription. I was a kid in a poor house, so I schlepped my ass to the library. The magazine was a luxury I could not afford, and frankly didn’t need. The internet changed my media consumption, as content was “free” if I paid for my internet (or kept getting AOL discs for modem access for free!)

Then along came the subscription model for all things digital. Photoshop . . . Subscription. Adobe Suite . . . Subscription. Microsoft Office . . . Subscription. YouTube . . . Like and Subscription. My VPN . . . SUBSCRIPTION!!! Even my BlueDriver OBD2 dongle suddenly wants me to sign in! It gets out of hand, and at some point you have to draw a line. My rule now is that if a service is not protecting me from something, or helping me generate income, or required by law, I do not subscribe. Throw ads at me. I know how to ignore them.

As a grown adult, I have to prioritize my expenses, and recognize what is a need and what is a luxury. While The Autopian may be the livelihood of the writers, it is still an luxury, a hobby, an art form that does not put food on the table or help pay for repairs to my house or cars. I have always loved reading automotive media, and I appreciate the effort this site makes, and the financial bind that digital media is in. But, what this article feels like is s a nice way of saying, “subscribe or get lost.” Hope that is not the subtext, but it is definitely the vibe.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

Oh, wow… I didn’t get that vibe at all. I just got a “we’re going to do something new, different, and better, so please help us help you!” vibe.

Turbeaux
Turbeaux
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

You still get access to all the content (except tales from the slack, which isn’t car related anyway) without a membership. There is one site I read to kill time that has ads AND a monthly 5 article limit. As long as the Autopian allows access to (almost) all content and comment sections, I don’t see this as them saying “get lost.”

Gene1969
Gene1969
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

I had the exact same experience growing up but I did not get the same vibe or subtext that you got. I got a “We also need to eat” vibe from these guys.

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago
Reply to  Gene1969

This website definitely gives off a “We need money to eat” vibe and so does Jalopnik. If that is the nature of the beast, you had to have known that when applying. You still need a patron to make art.

MazdaLove
MazdaLove
1 day ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Appreciate the reply, and my hope remains that the intent of the article is good. I appreciate the bind that you are in. Good luck to the site. In the end, perceptions are real for those who have them.

Last edited 1 day ago by MazdaLove
Bob
Bob
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

Wow.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

I do not get that vibe at all.

Snowsenses
Snowsenses
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

Not a paying member but I have to add that I didn’t get that vibe (or any kind of negative vibe) at all either

Al Cutturini
Al Cutturini
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

I get you, man.

Lori Hille
Lori Hille
1 day ago
Reply to  MazdaLove

Like others, I didn’t get that vibe. I like the library analogy. It’s more convenient to subscribe to, say, a print magazine (it’s yours to keep) but the library is a free option with fewer perks. Consider free Autopian like the library… subscribers get more perks but non subscribers get 90% of the benefits.

To be honest, I don’t use a lot of the extras. If I subscribed to every site asking for a donation or Patreon or subscription, I’d be broke. I do have a subscription here because I want to support their work.

Banana Stand Money
Banana Stand Money
1 day ago

The Autopian team is a shining beacon in a sea of shit right now. I really appreciate everything y’all do. This is by far the best membership I own.

Keep it up… I have a feeling I’ll be upgrading my membership when it’s time to renew.

Last edited 1 day ago by Banana Stand Money
Boulevard_Yachtsman
Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 day ago

Happy to be a continuing Vinyl member with the… ahem, auto renewal box checked. So happy the already-playing videos went away, and this announcement is icing on the cake as this continues to be my favorite address on the internet.

Also, thanks for the peak behind the curtain on how this sausage gets made. It’s quite interesting, and while I suppose I could research the info on my own, it’s much more fun to read about it on a website I already visit regularly. I had no idea the math was just so incredibly bad in regards to add-viewing vs. membership.

Ben
Ben
14 hours ago

Save the manua…oh, wait. 😉

OHsnap
OHsnap
1 day ago

I haven’t read all the comments, but would you guys consider a level between Vinyl and Velour? I don’t even need additional incentives, but while I could go more than $100 there’s a little bit of a leap for me to $250. (Something smack in the middle at $175/year – call it MB-Tex or something – could still be pitched as “less than 50 cents a day.”)

Turbeaux
Turbeaux
1 day ago
Reply to  OHsnap

Buy your mom a Cloth membership for Christmas. Kill two birds with one stone.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 day ago
Reply to  OHsnap

Make it a sporty trim! Sport Buckets!

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 day ago
Reply to  OHsnap

As a GTI guy, I was gonna suggest “plaid”, but then I remembered Space Karen had somehow sullied that name.. -_-

Last edited 1 day ago by SarlaccRoadster
Aaronaut
Aaronaut
1 day ago

Wow, a great decision for us members and I hope it proves to be a great decision for Team Autopian too!

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