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Reddit Commenters And Our Commenters Were Right, We Whiffed On This One

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So far this year, we’ve written 558 new articles. That’s a lot! Especially when you consider we don’t do AI slop or use outside vendors to create SEO-inflected, trending garbage. Did all of those articles land? No. Of course not. One in particular aroused a lot of interest, and not in a good way. We sort of whiffed it, and since I was around when it happened, I thought I’d explain what happened and what our guidelines are for this kind of thing going for it.

The article in question was proposed in Slack with the very suggestive headline: “If Americans Don’t Want Small Cars, Why Did This Honda Fit Only Depreciate $1,180 In Eleven Years.” That, to me, is a funny headline. When it was mentioned, I had a good chuckle. I wasn’t actively editing stories, and I didn’t think much about it at the time.

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The car in question was a 2015 Honda Fit, in yellow, with somehow only 1,600 miles on the odometer. It sold for $18,000 on BaT, because of course it did. Low-mileage cars exist in a universe in which other cars do not, and extrapolating that out into a larger trend is, of course, kinda silly. Right there, we should have killed the headline, because no realistic version of that post could have lived up to it.

That doesn’t mean that the car wasn’t newsworthy. The larger point could have been that there are some people who do find these cars desirable, and the reversal of Obama-era footprint rules might create an opening for more small cars. Alternatively, people are obsessed with these cars, and a good post could be had just describing how beloved they are.

That’s not the post that got published. Instead, we wrote something that only very obliquely mentions the above and is way too nuanced for anything approaching a headline that bombastic. That’s our bad. That’s also my bad, because I gave a nod to the working headline without reading the post, and then moved on with my day. I didn’t realize something was wrong until I saw the comments on Reddit, where people were absolutely ripping us a new one. Sometimes Reddit can be unfairly harsh, because the critiquing of things is always easier than the doing of things. I don’t think that’s what happened here.

I rushed back to the site to actually read the website, and I gulped. The commenters here, as on Reddit, accused us of Clickbait and they weren’t wrong. I’ve gone back and changed the headline, but far too late to really matter.

The thing about Clickbait is that we write this stuff so people read it, which means we write the headline that we think people will read. That’s how bait works. The best version of a headline is one that gets you to click, and then overdelivers relative to your expectations. I think about this the way Costco thinks about Kirkland brand stuff. Costco, famously, demands that its store brand stuff be at least 1% better than whatever it’s meant to be duping. An Autopian story should be better than the headline that gets you to read it. That was almost impossible with that headline. [Note: I think the big issue is that the headline tries to make an incorrect point (that a lot of Americans like small cars) and the evidence is a cherry-picked low-mileage cream puff. It’s a bit insulting to the readers’ intelligence. And we have the sharpest readers in town. -DT]

What we usually say around here is: Are we earning a click or are we stealing a click? If we “steal” a click, that’s one pageview, and you never come back. That doesn’t work for us. A reputation is built on 1,000 articles and lost on one. If we “earn” a click, you hopefully read and, even if you don’t agree with us (ahem, timing belts), you at least know that we believe what we’re saying and understand that it’s a good-faith argument. It makes you want to come back.

In this case, we let down both the readers and the author, Thomas, by not interrogating it more before it went up. The post ended up in an uncomfortable no man’s land between Totally Sincere and Tongue-in-Cheek, and while plenty of commenters on both Reddit and here seemed to find some nuance in the article, it’s hard to blame anyone who didn’t. Going forward, we’re going to reiterate internally that our standards require us to overdeliver with our posts, and that, if you’re going to make a claim, there has to be solid proof to back it up. And if your claim is a joke, that has to be abundantly clear.

I’m just writing this to point out that we heard you and to say thanks. I sometimes get emails critical of a specific post, technology change, headline, or whatever. People are nice, and they usually say something like “I’m sorry to email you about this, but I think X doesn’t work” or “Apologies about bothering you, but I thought Y was a bad post.”

I always tell them that they don’t need to apologize. For every person emailing, commenting, or putting a note on Reddit or social media who dislikes something, there are probably at least a few more who aren’t going to tell us. I love it when people tell us how much they love the site, but I also appreciate it when people care enough to tell us when we miss. It’s the only way we can get better, and that’s what we want to do.

Almost all of the car magazines or websites you read are owned by one of a handful of large, often private equity-backed monoliths, and we’re not going to be able to compete with them if we don’t listen to our audience and take it seriously. It’s actually very helpful to get this kind of feedback. And though we believe we have the highest editorial standards in this business, we still have work to do.

Does this mean every story after this will be perfect? Absolutely not! We’re going to make more mistakes. I have some really dumb things that I very sincerely believe, but when I write about them, I want you to feel like it was worth it to spend a few minutes of your time listening to that really dumb argument.

Ok, you want a really dumb argument: VW should swap all of its cars, other than the GTI, with Cupra and Škoda models. That’s a freebie!

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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
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It's Pronounced Porch-ah
16 minutes ago

What’s the old saying? 80% of people admit to clickbaiting, and the other 20% lie… something like that.

Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
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Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
31 minutes ago

My Mother always told me, when I was an adolescent;

“If you keep click baiting, you’ll go blind”

So no more click baiting for me! 😉

Drew
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Drew
15 minutes ago

I was going to argue with this, because I haven’t gone blind yet. Then I put on my comically thick glasses and saw that it was “click baiting.” I’ll go back to my…usual activities.

Last edited 12 minutes ago by Drew
Lockleaf
Lockleaf
35 minutes ago

Ok, you want a really dumb argument: VW should swap all of its cars, other than the GTI, with Cupra and Škoda models.

I think you whiffed again here. I do not see how this is a dumb argument at all. It seems like the smartest move VW could make right now 😀

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
3 minutes ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

Agreed. And swap the horrible MK8 GTI for the peak GTI that was the MK7/7.5. I prefer the 7, but understand the arguments for the 7.5 from the tech-obsessed.

Of course, I am sure VW is well on their way to ruining Skoda and Seat too.

Stacks
Stacks
39 minutes ago

I wouldn’t normally barge in with unsolicited feedback, but since you brought it up, the constant clickbait headlines (in the classic “You’ll Never Guess!!” Buzzfeed sense) might be the main reason I’ve never subscribed. I open up The Autopian and I’m already annoyed before I ever even click on an article. I’ve gone from reading almost everything you publish to glancing at the top few headlines and just closing the page in irritation. Clickbait is insulting. It’s probably just me, though, I’m cranky.

Strangek
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Strangek
31 minutes ago
Reply to  Stacks

It’s part of the game of trying to drive traffic unfortunately. One can see it all over the internet these days. It’s the “You’ll Never Guess” type headline, the font style and color, the picture or thumbnail, everything. All optimized for clicks. It’s insulting to one’s intelligence in a way, but I understand why it needs to be done and I forgive it from my favorite sources.

Tbird
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Tbird
16 minutes ago
Reply to  Stacks

I get it, but at least the crew here puts thought (and often humor) into top-shots and headlines. Yeah, I’m not fan of the “Some Geniuses…” title, but the actual content is almost always good. I like the diversity of content on this site. Is every article tailored to my tastes? No, nor should it be.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
39 minutes ago

If you’re pissing Reddit off you’re actually doing something right!

AssMatt
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AssMatt
51 minutes ago

Love the tags, as ever. A not-so-subtle dig at the “competition.”

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
57 minutes ago

I didn’t see anything wrong with the title or the article, and I would pay an absurd amount of money for a low mileage mint condition 1996 Grand Cherokee Limited in black with gold accent.

You’re all doing a great job! This is the best place on the internet. Keep up the good work!

FloridaNative
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FloridaNative
58 minutes ago

TBH, I read the headline and skipped the post… knowing full well that one used car sale does not make a statistically significant sample.

Drew
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Drew
59 minutes ago

And we have the sharpest readers in town.

And you’d never stoop to flattery 😉

Last edited 58 minutes ago by Drew
Zags
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Zags
1 hour ago

Appreciate what you all do here and articles like this, taking accountability and making the changes, are a big part of why I’m a member. I certainly don’t ever doubt any writers/editors intentions. Keep up the good work. Also, agree it was obvious the article was just having fun.

SaabaruDude
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SaabaruDude
1 hour ago

acknowledging feedback, admitting error, defining improvement steps, and soliciting additional future feedback so the organization can learn even faster??? It’s like you actually want to be successful or something.

Might send this example to a few people at work… and in Washington DC.

Drew
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Drew
45 minutes ago
Reply to  SaabaruDude

They’ll all know someone else who needs the example, I’m sure.

The people who need it can rarely see that it applies to them.

Last edited 25 minutes ago by Drew
Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
1 hour ago

I didn’t click on the original article, because I thought the headline pretty much told the whole story. Yeah, low mileage cars can sometimes appreciate and can even cost more than it did originally.

D-dub
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D-dub
52 minutes ago
Reply to  Cody Pendant

Do you want to get ants more “this one weird trick” headlines? Because comments like this is how you get more “this one weird trick” headlines!

Last edited 52 minutes ago by D-dub
Drew
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Drew
45 minutes ago
Reply to  D-dub

Get more clickbait headlines with this one weird trick!

Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
41 minutes ago
Reply to  Drew

… that big auto journo doesn’t want you to know

Strangek
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Strangek
34 minutes ago
Reply to  Cody Pendant

but there’s a catch!

Data
Data
1 hour ago

*Insert Mad Max “That’s bait” meme*

Trust Doesn't Rust
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Trust Doesn't Rust
1 hour ago

This was fucking clickbait.

I was expecting an in depth analysis of how an upside-down Honda Fit smells different from a right-side up one.

RIP Autopian.

Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
40 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

that’s short for “laughing out out out out out out out loud”

Drew
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Drew
20 minutes ago
Reply to  Cody Pendant

But it should be read as pronounced by an excited futbol announcer.

Undecided profile name
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Undecided profile name
56 minutes ago

They’ll just have to have an Australian write that article

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
39 minutes ago

I assume we can get Torch on this beat ASAP

Freddy Bartholomew
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Freddy Bartholomew
1 hour ago

Sorry, I can’t get worked up about this headline. First, just look at the world news today. Second, when I read the title, I knew right away that it was just having fun. If you have been reading The Autopian for more than a week, you know what the situation is with sales of small cars. Even if you have not been reading it, if you are in the US, you can open your eyes. OK, I will stop screaming at the clouds now and go back inside.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
1 hour ago

VW absolutely could just just swap out their lineup with Seats and Skodas. Would they sell? No. But nobody really cares about their crossovers either, so if you’re not going to sell things you might as well not sell cool things, right?

The Fit article wasn’t going to win any awards but I think people take some of this shit wayyyyyy too seriously. I was mostly just glad to see a yellow Fit, really.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Taargus Taargus
Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 hour ago

Interesting comment from that reddit post was from /u/V48runner who said “The new Jalopnik being The New Jalopnik.”

So… umm… wonder what the staff think about that one in particular?

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
45 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

I have always considered The Autopian as the distillation of the best parts of the automotive Internet, especially from Jalopnik. It is why I’m a member, and I appreciate the efforts at transparency so few other sites employ.

Icouldntfindaclevername
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Icouldntfindaclevername
23 minutes ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Just need to bring over 1 or 2 other ppl from another site and that would give them a royal flush in poker terms

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