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S Is For: 1969 Saab 95 vs 1983 Subaru GL-10

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Good morning! We’re up to the letter S in our trip through the alphabet, and I hesitate to even show you the cars I chose for today, because I already know which one is going to win. I knew the second I saw it that I wasn’t going to find a worthy competitor for it. But I did my best.

Yesterday ended up being a bit of a blowout as well, with the Renault 17 absolutely obliterating the Reliant Robin. I don’t think most of you actually wanted either one of them, but the Renault took the win based on it already being in this country, and possessing a sensible number of wheels.

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I not only choose the Renault over a decrepit tricycle an ocean away; I actually kinda want it. If I had a warehouse stocked full of tools and a lift, I fear my real car collection would closely resemble my RC car collection: very silly, often broken, and far too numerous. Good thing I’m limited to a two-car garage and a carport, I guess.

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I wasn’t sure which way to go with S. There are some good S makes – Simca, Saturn, Studebaker – but I know that Saab is always a big crowd-pleaser here. But it couldn’t be just any Saab; I had to find something you all haven’t seen before. And oh boy, did I find it. To go along with it, I first checked to see if that Sunbeam Alpine coupe that has been kicking around the Pacific Northwest for a decade happened to be for sale again at the moment; no dice. But I did find a very nice old Subaru that I think you might like. Let’s take a look.

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1969 Saab 95 panel van – $8,900

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 1.5-liter overhead valve V4, four-speed manual, FWD

Location: San Leandro, CA

Odometer reading: 42,000 miles (probably rolled over at least once)

Operational status: “Runs like a champ”

Panel vans are cool. So are old Saabs. But never in my fifty-two years did I have any idea that such a thing as a Saab panel van roamed this Earth, nor that you could buy a good-running one in California for less than ten grand. I’m sure someone out there was aware of the existence of these things, knowing the intense nerdery of this crowd, but I certainly wasn’t. Just look at that image above. Have you ever seen anything quite so fundamentally, inherently right?

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This 95 is new enough to be equipped with a Ford-sourced V4 engine instead of the two-stroke triple of earlier cars. It’s easier to live with, and just as weird. It drives the front wheels through a column-shifted four-speed manual, which I believe is still equipped with a freewheel mechanism, so don’t expect any engine-braking on downshifts. This one runs very well, according to the seller, and has been well-maintained. It looks like it; if you know old car engine bays, you can usually see if something has been looked after just from the general appearance. Nice shiny hose clamps, a smattering of new parts, and a lack of leaks and grime are all good signs.

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This car is actually a seven-seat wagon with two rows of fold-down seats; the second row faces forward, and a third row faces out the back, Country Squire-style. I can only imagine how sluggish this thing is with seven passengers, but it is theoretically possible. Personally, I’d just leave those seats down and use it as a van.

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Outside, it’s straight and rust-free, but it looks like the front fenders came from a different car. It’ll need some paint if you want it to look its best. But honestly, I think it looks all right as-is. My only gripe is that the seller installed those awful-looking aftermarket LED headlights. Yeah, I know, they’re brighter than halogens, but they look out of place on a car this old.

1983 Subaru GL-10 sedan – $5,000

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 1.8-liter overhead valve flat 4, five-speed manual, FWD

Location: Portland, OR

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Odometer reading: 133,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Model names for cars didn’t used to be strictly necessary. Back when automakers only made a bunch of variations on one basic car, you could just say “1953 Chevy” or whatever, and, barring a few trim differences, everybody knew what you meant. Up until the latter part of the 1980s, Subaru only sold one basic car in the US, in four or five body styles, and although that car had a model name in other markets (Leone), it wasn’t used here. Hence, this is just a 1983 Subaru sedan, in top-of-the-line GL-10 trim.

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Not only did Subaru in the early 1980s not have model names, they didn’t necessarily all have four-wheel-drive. The front-mounted boxer engine was there, and had been since the late 1960s, but it drove only the front wheels, unless you specifically ordered 4WD. You could also get a turbocharged engine starting in 1983, but this car doesn’t have that either. What it does have is a five-speed manual transmission and a whole list of recent services and repairs. It has a few minor issues, namely a slight coolant leak and some minor electrical gremlins, but basically it runs and drives just fine.

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The GL-10 package included a whole bunch of options, including power windows, a sunroof, and a digital dash. It also has air conditioning, but the seller says its output is weak; you’ll probably have to have it converted to R-134a if you want any real cooling. It also has some service indicator lights in the message center that come on at odd times. Old cars; what are you gonna do?

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It’s clean as a whistle outside, and in a nice shade of green. This is another one of those cars that, because of where I lived, I have a twenty-year gap in seeing them. They were fairly common when I was a kid in Chicago, but few of them made it out of the 1980s due to rust, and during my years in Wisconsin and Minnesota, there were none to be found. When I moved to the West Coast, suddenly they reappeared, and they’re just normal-ass cars there. This car was daily-driven for eight years until the seller bought it last year.

Look, I already know the Saab is going to win. But humor me, and let’s pretend this is a competition. I mean, as Subarus go, that’s a pretty nice one. Make your choice, and I’ll see you back here tomorrow for the letter T.

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Protodite
Protodite
2 months ago

I didn’t even need to read the second car to know the Saab here was already a winner

Jay Vette
Jay Vette
2 months ago

I really want to like that GL, because it’s a really nice example, but it doesn’t have 4WD. A Subaru just isn’t a Subaru without 4WD/AWD. I just can’t do it

MattyD
MattyD
2 months ago

That Saab has been on CL for about 9 billion years, which to me says there’s less there than meets the eye. Or maybe the seller is a bit difficult? It’s cool, but I went Subaru:

–Unless you want a Bowel Movement Wunder-fahrzeug, a 4 door sedan with a stick is pretty hard to find.
–You can show modern Subaru owners what a REAL Subie looked like before the company “went woke”.
–You and you passengers can call out to passing motorists (of which there will be many unless they’re driving a VW bus) “Whoop-dee-doo for my Subaru!”

Seriously though,
–It looks to be in great shape
–It’s an enticing color
–It seems well-loved
–It’s distinctive
–Wife wants a 4 door sedan, and it HAS to be a stick, so why the hell not.

Last edited 2 months ago by MattyD
PBL
PBL
2 months ago
Reply to  MattyD

Yeah, I’m not at all convinced that the Saab is an original panel van. In which case, it’s substantially overpriced. The mechanicals seem good, but the exterior panels seem rough.

I love Saabs but the time machine Subaru is an easy win. Most of these Subie survivors are base model slushbox cars. It’s fun to see a manual with some options, even if it is the most boring body style.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
2 months ago

I love me a Subaru EA81: they’re tough to kill. But, a V4 panel van wins today—if it were on this side of the country, I’d want to go see it

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
2 months ago

If I had actually started that bakery years ago and made deliveries, then I’d love to have that Saab. It’s cool, quirky, unique looking, and it would look amazing with a logo painted on the side. But to actually own it and drive it? I couldn’t justify the purchase.

But that Subaru? I love a common car that has just stood the test of time. Something so many people probably thought of as a disposable starter car and here it is looking great and being in good running condition? I’ll take it. Yeah it needs a little bit of work, but it would be worth it

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago

Family has owned many examples of both.
The wagon is probably cool but…

Subie has A/C so it gets the vote today.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
2 months ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

It has AC, but if you use it, your 0-60 times can be measured with a sundial, and your ability to climb hills becomes nearly nonexistent.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
2 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

As if the Taunus V4 breathes fire (it MIGHT if a backfire sets the carb on fire).

That AC equipped Subaru is probably no slower than a Volvo 244 of the same year carrying AC.

That’s not saying much.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
2 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Got to laugh a bit. My old man drove his Subies in Colo mountains forever.

His only bitch was how slow they were, even with a manual. And yeah, that
A/C turned a long drive into an ordeal unless he was in the flatlands.
Thanks.

I however live in what is known as the Devil’s butt crack, when it comes to mountains. We don’t have any. But A/C is a required part of any car here for 9 months of the year at least.

When looking a the shit box showdowns my brain always defaults to where I live, and cars with A/C get preferential treatment.

YMMV of course.

Last edited 2 months ago by Col Lingus
Matt Sexton
Matt Sexton
2 months ago

I know I’m supposed to say Saab here but that’s the nicest Subaru GL I’ve seen anywhere in probably 30 years. I can’t resist it.

4jim
4jim
2 months ago

I thing subaru did right when they just started making most(?) of their cars AWD because making it an expensive option just meant there were too many FWD subarus around.

I love saab sonnets and have driven a V4 Column shift one. I would totally go for the saab here.

IanGTCS
IanGTCS
2 months ago

That Subaru is far less weird and so I voted for it.

Library of Context
Library of Context
2 months ago

For me it’s the Subaru GL, and if the engine gives me trouble, I’m going full EJ25 swap. There are enough crashed or rusted out but running WRXs around here to make that viable.

Where there once was an EA motor, there shall be an EJ, so saith the Lord.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
2 months ago

Back when I was running a fleet of shitty 80s Subarus, I daydreamed of an EJ22 swap, so I’m on board with this scripture.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
2 months ago

Don’t discount the EZ30 or EG33 in this position. They’re a little more “niche,” but getting H6 N/A power could be the game changer you’re looking for.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
2 months ago

That Saab is great, but you know what … I’ll have the green Subaru.

Church
Church
2 months ago

That Saab is too weird to pass up.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
2 months ago

My goodness, that Subaru is delightful.

They’re both going to have character. The V4 Saabs had a weird, thudding engine note, and I guess if you like driving around in tetanus, go with the vehicular lockjaw.

That generation Subaru had a valvetrain that made its presence known, and its own thumpy-thumpy rhythm to fill out the bass clef.

And it’s all the same color with body panels that are at least mostly aligned.

Kinda tired of old, decrepit ’60s shit, TBH.

Nycbjr
Nycbjr
2 months ago

Mark if any day was a “both” day today would have been it! I love both, I chose the subie cause my scout master had many of the wagon varient so nostalgia for me, but that saab is just so cool too!

Geo Metro Mike
Geo Metro Mike
2 months ago

Subaru. No cracked dash, no torn seats, and it’s green! Take my money

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
2 months ago

This brings back memories, as I took my driving test in my mom’s GL wagon. With that said, the Saab interests me more, so it gets my vote.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
2 months ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

My buddy and I got pulled over in East St. Louis in his mom’s GL wagon on the way to a rap concert there. We weren’t aware of any laws we had broken. The cop came over to the car and asked if we knew where we were and what happens in East St. Louis to kids coming in from the suburbs. We were too stunned to answer coherently. He sighed and finally said, “Unless you park right in front of the venue or have someone from the club escort you to and from the club, go home because I don’t want to do the paper work on you two tonight.”

Last edited 2 months ago by Huja Shaw
Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
2 months ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Oh man, I had a similar experience! I was with a friend in our first trip to St. Louis. We had done all the stuff around the arch and were trying to get back to where we were staying in the southwest side when we took a wrong turn at dusk. We suddenly were on a road where there were literally burning cars and then a cop pulled us over for seemingly no reason. He and his partner came up to the car, shined their flashlights in our faces, and said “You two hoping to die tonight? If not, get out of here now. Don’t stop, not even for stop signs, and if you see people walking out into the road ahead of you, hit them.” We were both snapped out of the shock of what he just said when he yelled “Go! NOW!”. Sure enough, about a mile away we had to swerve around a group of people trying to block us holding baseball bats. It was nuts.

Last edited 2 months ago by Squirrelmaster
Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
2 months ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Hey, but the toasted raviolis are yummy, right?

Dogpatch
Dogpatch
2 months ago

Can we get to choose between a old Taurus wagon and a Targa tomorrow?

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
2 months ago

I owned a bare bones ’97 4WD Subaru GL wagon and loved it. The FWD 4-doors don’t hold much appeal. The V4 is a fun motor and the panel van is great. Saab all day.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 months ago

Digital Dash Subaru GL!!!! That’s darn close to my first car. These things are not easy to find. Can we have both? I need something to haul gear for my band, but I have a thing for mid-80’s Subarus. And that Digital Dash is one of the best. Ever.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

Also note that Subi probably has the adjustment to raise the height of the rear suspension from under the back seat. Change its stance a bit and find a set of the white wagon wheels and this thing will look way less boring.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

As soon as I saw the options today I knew you would be chiming in about the Subaru. It is tempting, but I went Saab, but man can you imagine having to sit in the windowless back of a panel van? No thank you!

Last edited 2 months ago by Brandon Forbes
Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 months ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

S is for Sid stumping for Subaru so somebody slips into saving the Subi from submitting to Saab supremacy.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

Sad this didn’t happen on Saturday. Sid’s Saturday Subaru stumping.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
2 months ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Surely

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
2 months ago

I have absolutely no idea why, but I like the Subaru. It’s not particularly interesting or good looking. I presume it is also slow and generally not great to drive. The interior materials also look kind of cheap. I doubt it is spacious or particularly comfortable. I also have almost no interest in ’80s cars.

I am at loss as to why I like this car, or why I voted for it over an interesting panel van. Huh.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
TOSSABL
TOSSABL
2 months ago

They are pretty fun in a slow car fast fashion. And, if you keep oil & coolant in them, you pretty much can’t blow them up: valve-float is your rev limiter.
-many stupid-fun hours I’ve had in them with no regrets.

Oh: always check the distributor bushings if over 150k miles

KYFire
KYFire
2 months ago

Cause it’s neat, clean, and green.

The Saab I think has potential but even cleaned up it just seems off to me. What they did on interior is a good start but exterior just doesn’t do it for me.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
2 months ago

These alphabet cars have provided some surprisingly difficult decisions. Sure it’s the Saab but I still had to think about it for a minute.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
2 months ago

HOLY S**T LOOK AT THAT SAAB PANEL VAN!!!!

Yeah, I couldn’t NOT vote for it. It was close, but the little problems listed on the Subaru kinda turned me off on it.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
2 months ago

I had a ’73 Saab 96 that was in rough shape. It literally took 17 seconds to hit 60 mph, with just me in it and a full tank of gas.

Fun little car.

Also, the freewheeling mechanism is disengagable. There’s a pull handle under the dash kinda near you feet. I can’t remember which way was “on” but you pull it out or push it in to engage or disengage it. So you can have engine braking when you want it.

I’m more confused on why this appears to have two pieces of threaded pipe sticking up on the left hand side of the engine bay. What’s that?

Last edited 2 months ago by Doughnaut
Dogpatch
Dogpatch
2 months ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

Dual reservoirs for the master cylinder.

Doughnaut
Doughnaut
2 months ago
Reply to  Dogpatch

Well, that’s certainly a way to do it.

Huja Shaw
Huja Shaw
2 months ago

Saab looks like a Nordic take on the VW Microbus. I love it and would spend many socks full of nickels to bring it back to life.

Last edited 2 months ago by Huja Shaw
Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
2 months ago

Old swedish styling + panel van + V4… yeah, that’s no contest. The Subie is nice, though.

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