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So Many People Made This Baffling Mistake About Hondas When I Was Growing Up

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I hope you don’t mind my using the vast and powerful megaphone that is the Cold Start platform to voice complaints and irritations of mine that are, at least, several decades old. This particular one is about, oh, 40-something years old, but I’ve never really discussed it with anyone. And now I’m wondering how pervasive it may be, or if anyone else felt this same thing? It has to do with Hondas from the 1970s and 1980s, and how people tended to read their badges.

I remember dealing with this a surprising amount as a kid, and it always kind of drove me nuts and baffled me, but the frequency it came up made it impossible to ignore. I’m deeply curious if anyone may already know what I’m talking about here?

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I should just tell you. Save us all some time. Here it is: a shocking number of people in the 1970s and 1980s would read the CVCC badges on Hondas as “Civic,” even when the car was not a Civic.

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Yes, that’s right. That collection of letters on the grille of that Accord, which, to be fair, do share 75% of the letters of the word “civic,” were almost always misread as “Civic.”

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In case you’ve forgotten what CVCC means, and can’t refer to the CVCC diagram you have tattooed on your back, let’s just refresh. The letters stand for Compound Vortex Controlled Combustion, which is a sort of deliberately-obfuscating set of words to describe Honda’s revolutionary cylinder head technology that used a combustion pre-chamber to ignite the fuel-air mixture and cause a little vortex that then propagated into the main chamber, the result of which was an engine that burned so clean it didn’t even need a catalytic converter.

As you can imagine, Honda was very proud of their CVCC technology, so they put badges announcing it on all their cars that had it, like the Civic:

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… and the Accord:

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These CVCC badges on the Accord were almost always read as “Civic,” as crazy as that sounds, since it does not say “Civic.” I remember other kids doing this, and adults, too, and as a car-obsessed kid at the time, it drove me bonkers. I remember having arguments with people about what was an Accord and what was a Civic and people pointing to the CVCC badges and telling me “see, it’s a Civic!”

Am I alone here? Does anyone else remember this phenomenon of lazy reading? Is it just me? I hope not. I suppose this also says something about how similar Civics and Accords were in general styling, outside of scale. I mean, they never looked that alike to me, but for people who don’t really give a shit about cars and live those sorts of empty lives? I guess they did.

Anyway, if anyone remembers anything similar happening, please, let me know!

 

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Nlpnt
Nlpnt
1 month ago

Being about the same age as Torch I can remember the epiphany that “Civic” and “CVCC” were two different things as a milestone in learning to read at age 4 or 5.

David Hollenshead
David Hollenshead
1 month ago

the result of which was an engine that burned so clean it didn’t even need a catalytic converter” pure BS:
Honda’s CVCC engine was a disaster and would start creating visible pollution as soon as 20,000 miles. It also had dozens of vacuum hoses and we mechanics hated it. As everything was cheap, particularly the bolts and castings for the head and block. While it didn’t crack the block at around 20,000 miles like the aluminum engines on the Civic 1200 did, it was a maintenance headache as Honda didn’t bother with hydraulic lifters, and these things loved to burn exhaust valves worse than an air-cooled VW…
My favorite way to fix a poor running CVCC engine was to find a low mileage wreck and take the cylinder head and everything attached to it, Meaning all the vacuum hose mess, the exhaust manifold, the distributor, exhaust manifold with thermo-reactor, etc. etc. As the time to properly diagnose Honda’s crappy vacuum controlled emissions could exceed the price of the car, new…

Evan Shealy
Evan Shealy
1 month ago

Yep, I remember. I also see CVCC as the precursor to VTEC, yo! As far as badging goes. Nobody ever said wait till the CVCC kicks in

Shinynugget
Shinynugget
1 month ago

Ah my 1980 Accord hatchback. Mint Green. Wonderful little car. Until the head gasket blew catastrophically at a 150,000 miles, which then led to a cracked block. Oh well.

David Hollenshead
David Hollenshead
1 month ago
Reply to  Shinynugget

Because of the crappy head bolts and crappy block???
Honda used garbage metal on their early cars and still does…

Eslader
Eslader
1 month ago

I mean, yes the early cars had serious engine deficiencies but the idea that the engine metal is still garbage is kinda ridiculous. Unless you count the casting issue a number of years back, their engines tend towards the nearly bulletproof. If that’s garbage, I’ll be happy to buy trash.

TaylorDane > TaylorSwift
TaylorDane > TaylorSwift
1 month ago

Between this delightful article and a previous unrelated, yet equally entertaining one about over-bagding on more modern cars, perhaps a take on which maker first made this an ongoing thing should be attempted for our reading enjoyment? Seems like things got out of control by the late 90s but it was probably much earlier than that.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago

Man, I loved the styling on both the Civic and the hatchback Accord…

Beatle
Beatle
1 month ago

I knew it was an acronym, but I thought it was followed by the Civic. “Oh, everyone is just pronouncing this acronym as ‘civic?’ well fuck it, let’s just give them what they want then.”

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 month ago

I don’t think they invented the head design.
Good approach though.

David Hollenshead
David Hollenshead
1 month ago
Reply to  Sam Morse

Honda didn’t, just like most of the design elements they used.
The CVCC was the worst import for service costs as it had a few dozen vacuum hoses as part of the emissions computer…
In short the cars were garbage that could be bought with as little as 20k miles on them in non-running condition…

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 month ago

I came very close to buying one new.
That makes me feel better.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago

Yeah, I always knew it was an acronym…mainly since when you see a bunch of capital letters together normally it’s an…acronym!

One word: Thundercougarfalconbird!

See also: Grandma Keith!
“Grand Marquis will always be known as the “Grandma Keith” to many of us”
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/junkyard-treasure-1993-mercury-grand-marquis-ls-44497164

Oh yeah, also…I really like this car…it’s a Cadillac…OH! The model name is…Converter!

JACK: (worked up) “What d’you think? I’ve never ridden in a Cadillac before? Believe me, I’ve ridden in a Cadillac hundreds of times. THOUSANDS!”

Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
1 month ago

In 1978, my dad took his then-girlfriend to go look at Hondas, and I tagged along. Like many people, she thought that the Civic was named after the CVCC tech, but she went one step further and pronounced the model name as “Cvc” (in other words, she said “Civic” without any vowels). I don’t even think my dad or the sales guy clocked what she was doing, but this car nerd did!

(I never corrected her, in case anyone was wondering.)

Crank Shaft
Crank Shaft
1 month ago

So on spectrum. Lol. Yes, I hated it too.

Mr E
Mr E
1 month ago

I was very young when these cars were on the market, and I always assumed the Civic got its name from the CVCC nomenclature.

Learn something new every day on this site.

I do miss the ‘5 Speed’ badging on the manual models, though.

Jason McCarty
Jason McCarty
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr E

This. I saw the title and not only knew what the issue was, but that I was also guilty of it.

Sam Morse
Sam Morse
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr E

I still think they named it Civic for the CVCC tech or vice versa.

David Hollenshead
David Hollenshead
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr E

The 4 speeds were better as they had a dip stick, handy because the seals on Honda’s trans-axle failed often…

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