It’s not uncommon for an auto manufacturer to alter a car’s appearance by just adding stuff onto the bodywork, nor is it uncommon for the aftermarket to step in and add stuff if the manufacturer decides not to. Today’s cars don’t have a whole lot in common, but they do share one feature: a big-ass rear spoiler. One came with it from the factory, and one had it added on later.
On Friday, we looked at two fun little cars with different functions, but the same spirit. There was a lot of love for both of them in the comments, and you all seemed to agree there was no bad choice. But in the end, “Miata Is Always The Answer” remains true.


I’d be happy with either of them, but as a couple of commenters pointed out, a good Miata is still not that hard to find, even if they aren’t as cheap as they once were. This one is a good deal, but not a great one, and if I wanted another Miata I think I might keep shopping. But when was the last time you saw a decent two-door soft-top Tracker for sale? I think if presented with these two options, I’d leave with the Tracker, just because of the novelty of it.
Generally speaking, I prefer most cars in their base trim, without all the spoilers and cladding and ground effects of the higher trims. Most of them look better that way. But I also have a weakness for completely pointless rear spoilers, and for cheesy aftermarket “body kits.” For your amusement and consideration today, I have a couple of two-door coupes that have absolutely no need of any potential extra downforce from their rear spoilers, whichever way they obtained them. Let’s check them out.
1986 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe – $4,200

Engine/drivetrain: Turbocharged 2.3 liter OHC inline 4, five-speed manual, RWD
Location: Berea, OH
Odometer reading: 41,000 miles (but odometer is broken, so not accurate)
Operational status: Runs and drives, but needs cooling system work
In the 1980s, turbocharging was all the rage. Ford went all-in on a turbocharged variant of its 2.3 liter four-cylinder, and offered it basically across the board in Fox-body cars. The newly-restyled 1983 Thunderbird put an emphasis on sporty driving instead of luxury like the previous generation, and the turbocharged engine fit that mission perfectly. It even came with a manual transmission, which hadn’t been seen in a Thunderbird in years.

This is the non-intercooled version of the 2.3 turbo, making only 155 horsepower, which is sadly still a little more than the V8 available in other models. The transmission is a Borg-Warner T5 five-speed, and the rear axle has a limited-slip differential. This one has been sitting a while, and the seller has done quite a lot of work to wake it up, but the cooling system still needs attention before you drive it too far. At the minimum, new hoses and a radiator flush are necessary.

You won’t find a velour bench seat or a column-mounted gearshift in this car like you might expect; instead, this car has nice leather bucket seats with lots of adjustments, and all the power doodads the ’80s had to offer. The seller says the power windows don’t work, which is probably why the driver’s side door panel is off. The odometer has stopped, so the seller doesn’t know how many miles are actually on it, but with a car this old it really doesn’t matter.

Outside, it’s faded unevenly, like it was parked outside in the same spot for a long time. All the black plastic is now gray, and the paint has seen better days. It has an aftermarket body kit including front and rear spoilers, headlight covers (though it looks like one is missing), and a truly hideous grille insert. But if it really does only have forty-something miles on it, and it sat for a long time, there’s a good chance it isn’t rusty underneath.
1991 Pontiac Grand Am LE – $2,995

Engine/drivetrain: 2.5 liter OHV inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Wadsworth, OH
Odometer reading: 77,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
If you’re going to call yourself GM’s “Excitement Division,” you had better deliver. Pontiac talked a good game, and had a few certified bangers in the performance department, but it also made a whole lot of ordinary cars that weren’t particularly exciting at all. The N-body Grand Am was available with a turbocharged engine and Oldsmobile’s twin-cam Quad 4 at various times, but most of them settled for significantly less. This one is equipped exactly like the driver’s ed cars at my high school.

Pontiac’s “Iron Duke” inline 4 has its roots back in the 1970s, first in the rear-wheel-drive Sunbird, but eventually found in Jeeps, pickups, Firebirds, and Camaros too–not to mention a hundred thousand postal vans. In the ’80s, it was turned sideways for FWD use, given throttle-body fuel injection, and renamed the Tech IV. Nobody loves this engine, but millions of drivers relied on it for decades, and it rarely let anyone down. As is nearly always the case, this one is bolted to an automatic transmission. It runs just fine, and the seller just had a new battery put in.

With a GM car from this era, when you open the door, there are no surprises. The color palette may vary, but if you have ever spent any time in one, you know exactly how this car’s interior feels, sounds, and smells. This one is in nice condition, as you would hope from its low mileage. It’s a pretty basic Grand Am, without power windows or locks, but that’s just fewer things to go wrong. It does have air conditioning, but it “needs a charge.”

This was originally a Kentucky car, and the seller hasn’t driven it in the winter since purchasing it, so it’s unlikely there’s any rust hiding under that trademark Pontiac plastic body cladding. Pontiac was in its monochrome era in 1991, so the cladding is the same color as the paint, unlike earlier two-tone Grand Ams. The grille doesn’t match, however; it looks like a replacement from a junkyard. A can of white touch-up paint would make it look a whole lot better.
Some cars, like the Ferrari F40 or the Plymouth Superbird, need their gigantic rear spoilers for stability at speed, but I think a Thunderbird and a Grand Am could get along without them just fine. But would they still feel the same? Would I still have singled out these two cars from the sea of ads on Craigslist and brought them to your attention? Who knows? All I know is it’s now up to you to choose between the kinda-high-performance car with the aftermarket spoiler, or the rental-spec car cosplaying as the sporty version.
I think the Thunderbird might be a Spoilers Plus car. The SP packages were available through Ford (and Lincoln-Mercury) dealers. Motorweek did a segment on it, IIRC. I couldn’t find the clip online, but there is a video of an ’89 Taurus modified by SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPTPM8-PLHY
If anyone has a NYT subscription (I don’t), this article may have more info: https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/02/sports/about-cars-rave-reviews-for-thunderbird.html
Juice juice juice
Really gets ya loose loose loose
Really goes down so smooth
Really puts ya in the grove
Have you heard?
What’s the word?
It’s Thunderbird
This isn’t a great example of the breed, but it won’t make you want to drive off a cliff from boredom and disappointment like a Grand Am with the Iron Puke.
Oh Jeez, you want us to choose between a Lima and an Iron Puke? You must REALLY hate us.
No dice on either. But as usual, better engines would make a difference. A 5.0 in the T-Bird or a 3.0/3.3 V6 in the Poncho would tip the balance. And if they both had the better engine, the V8 wins.
T-Bird. Not happy with the condition or the price at this condition, but I’d be unhappy with that Pontiac if it were brand new and half the price.
Reading title, I figured I would vote for the bird. Reading condition of this bird, figured I’d be voting for the Pontiac. Reads it has an iron duke and 3-speed auto. Back to the bird I guess.
T-Bird today. It has needs, but once those are met you’ll be left with a pretty cool and rare car. Plus, there are options there. Keep it stock, build a hotter 2.3, even (heresy!) V-8 swap it. The Grand Am will always be a Grand Am. As an aside, this particular Grand Am sits weirdly high, especially in the back. I don’t recall them sitting like this back in the day. And the seller specifically calling it out as carbureted in the listing is… odd.
It’s not fuel-injected? I missed that, and it puts it even more rungs down the desirability ladder for me. In fact, that starts digging a hole with another ladder going down into it, since I would rather walk than drive one of those turds ever again (started renting cars in the mid-90s for work).
That’s what’s so weird about it. It’s a Tech-4, which absolutely should be TBI. It doesn’t look like it’s had anything done to it, either. I’m guessing the guy who’s owned this car for 18 years either is clueless about what’s under the hood or somehow performed a carb swap while leaving the original air cleaner in place. Either one doesn’t bode well.
Definitely bizarre. I didn’t think there were any carb’d ones left by then.
It’s TBI. The guy just doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I wanted to vote for the GA then saw it was a auto and iron duke, if it had a manual, or one of the optional engines it would have been a tougher call. I had a ’93 GT with the quad4 (5speed) it was a fun car, this is not.. so I voted for the Ford.
Very, very reluctant vote for the bird. It has a chance, however slight, of being fun ish to drive. Assuming you solve all the gremlins before you get pissed and send it to the scrap yard.
A friend of my father’s had a Turbo Coupe with this same body kits on it; that was stolen from behind his shop one night.
Being a bit of a car spotter I’ve been looking for another Thunderbird with this kit on it since probably 1986 or 87, and this is the first time I’ve seen one. So the Thunderbird gets the win for me, I actually like that grille, and feel like it’s resurrection would be far more rewarding than a Grand that’s so yawn inducing I can never remember if it’s a Prix or and Am.
The Grand Am would be a decent “free” car to give to a grand kid. Lord knows it’s not anything I’d want for myself. I (and this theoretical grandkid) would much prefer a T-bird. But probably not this T-bird…
Well, since I don’t actually have any grandkids, I guess there would be time to fix this one up.
I was driven home from the hospital and spent the first 5 years of my life bobbing around in the back of a Thunderbird not unlike the one here. Easy choice for me here.
$4,200 for a Thunderpig with issues?!!! I’m going back to the old-school terminology for this one, Crack pipe.
I need that bird. You can promptly send it to…
I had occasion to drive an Iron Duke in my wife’s Wrangler TJ, with a manual. At first I thought something was wrong with the engine because it felt weaker than the 55 hp 1.4 Golf Mk III we had many years ago. I don’t want to imagine driving that with an automatic transmission from the era. So it’s the Ford by default, although it’s one hideous car.
This was a tough one, I don’t really like either one. Iron Duke 4 with an auto and no air cond, or for twice the $ a Ford that needs work.
At least the T-bird is a manual.
I expect the Bird to win in a blowout, as it probably should, but I am wary of picking up a project only halfway completed. Why not finish the rest of what’s needed before selling, and/or what else might be needed and not disclosed?
That said, as much as I love Pontiac, this particular Grand Am was not their finest effort.
T-Bird all the way for the nostalgia and also the novelty. My mom had a ’86 T-Bird back in the day, (5.0 auto) so I have a lot of fond memories of that car. I’d lose as much of the hideous body kit as I could replace it with original stuff (probably getting pretty hard to find body parts for these by now) but restoring it would be fun. I always had a soft spot for the Turbo Coupe and later the Super Coupe.
Also no Iron Duke with a 3 speed slushbox. Holy dog slow Batman. Now if the Grand Am had the Quad4 maybe but as as, no way.
T-bird today, I really cannot imagine under what circumstances I’d bring myself to vote for anything powered by the Iron Duke.
Honestly I could seriously consider either one. They’re both awesome and awful in equal measure.
I have an irrational fondness for Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles of the late 80’s and 90’s. They’re cars that were absolutely everywhere my entire childhood but seemed to just suddenly disappear one day.
Turbo FTW, but gotta talk them down a bit if it’s real dollars.
Also, it looks like the Tbird does have the other aftermarket headlight cover in a box according to the pics in the ad.
If that sways anyone.
The T-bird would be more fun to drive, if it does drive. Sitting around for a long time wasn’t doing it any favors.
On the other hand, there is nothing special at all about the Iron Duke Grand Am, other than the fact that I am always astonished when I see a regular ass car of that era driving around somehow like it’s still 1996.
I’ve always wanted a T-bird Turbo stick! And that one looks clean overall even if it needs a little tlc. Seems like an easy win over one of the least Grand of all the Am’s Pontiac put out…
I thought T-bird turbo coupes had hood louvers? Did this year not have them? $4+K is way too much for that old POS.
Edit:
I forgot about the super coupe. I think that one had the hood louvers.
Later Turbo Coupes had functional louvers for the intercooler, but not these early ones.
The ’87-’88 Turbo Coupes had ducted vents at the front of the hood for the intercooler. The hoods will fit back to ’83.
RWD and a stick should beat the brakes off that Grand Ma!