Welcome back! I’m starting the week out with a couple of rarities, cars you almost never see anymore. You almost never saw them when they were new, for that matter. But here they are, for sale, nice and cheap, and before you ask – yes, they both run.
Friday’s four-way shootout was a foregone conclusion. If you’re looking for a good reliable way to get around, and those are your choices, then of course you choose the manual Honda. It’ll just do what you ask it to, day in and day out, until you get sick of it and want something else, which sounds like the reason it’s for sale to begin with.


But if you’re looking for a toy, it’s probably the worst choice. There’s nothing you could do to it besides routine maintenance; any modification would make it objectively worse. On the other hand, something like that Cavalier or the BMW would be a great second or third car, something that already runs and drives, but provides ample opportunity for that most noble of all human endeavors: “puttering around.”
Both of today’s choices fit the “cheap car to putter around with” brief as well. One is the rarest version of a car you all love to hate, and the other is, well, French. And diesel. Happy Monday!
1982 Dodge 400 Convertible – $2,000

Engine/drivetrain: 2.2-liter overhead cam inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Rio Rancho, NM
Odometer reading: 51,000 miles
Operational status: “Runs, drives, and stops”
Say what you want about the Chrysler K platform, but Chrysler did an amazing job of making a bunch of different cars from the same basic ingredients. Some you see all the time, like the basic Aries and Reliant and LeBaron. Others, like the Executive Limousine and Laser, elicit a “wow, you don’t see those often” when one pops up. But if you want to really talk K-car rarity, you’d be hard-pressed to beat the Dodge 400. Produced for only two years, this upscale version of the Aries was available as a two-door coupe, four-door sedan, or a convertible. I actually owned one for a while, a coupe, with – get this – a four-speed manual. I think the last time I actually saw a Dodge 400 of any style in person was when I sold that car, back in 1995.

The 400, along with the Chrysler LeBaron, reintroduced convertibles to the US market after six long years. They’re basically the same car except for trim, but the LeBaron usually received the optional Mitsubishi-built 2.6-liter four-cylinder. This being a “mere” Dodge, it makes do with Chrysler’s own 2.2-liter engine. It’s slightly less powerful, but vastly less troublesome. This one runs and drives fine, and has had a lot of recent work done to make sure of it. As you would expect, the transmission is a deeply unsexy but very durable Torqueflite three-speed automatic.

Inside, it’s in reasonably good condition for being a malaise-era Dodge. The dash is cracked, and the upholstery is faded and oddly mismatched. At least it’s not torn up. I believe these seats are vinyl, not leather like you would have gotten in a LeBaron. It does have power windows and a power top, all of which appear to operate fine. The plastic rear window is mostly absent, however, and the top has a tear in one corner, so you’ll have to have it replaced, or just leave it down all the time.

Unsurprisingly for a desert car, all the horizontal paint surfaces are absolutely fried. But the vertical surfaces look pretty good, and all the trim is there, as are all four original hubcaps. Likely no one is going to go to the trouble of restoring a Dodge 400, but if you were so inclined, this isn’t a bad starting point.
1984 Peugeot 505 STI Turbodiesel – $2,300

Engine/drivetrain: Turbodiesel 2.3-liter overhead cam inline 4, three-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Dayton, NV
Odometer reading: 147,000 miles (but says “odometer broken”)
Operational status: Runs and drives well
Diesels never really caught on in America, except for trucks. But for a while in the late 1970s and early 80s, the car industry sure did give diesel a good try. Volkswagen and Mercedes sold a bunch, GM foisted far too many disastrous Oldsmobile diesel 350s onto unsuspecting buyers, and small cliques of loyal owners coalesced around diesel offerings from makes like Audi, Isuzu, and Peugeot.

The 505 was the successor to the 504, Peugeot’s long-lived and well-regarded workhorse. Like the 504, the 505 was available as either a sedan or a wagon, but the pickup truck variant of the 504 didn’t make the jump. Peugeot’s indestructible diesel engines were carried over, however, and gained a turbocharger, for a whopping eighty whole horsepower. This beast of an engine drives the rear wheels through a three-speed automatic that I’m sure no one chose in Europe, but was probably depressingly common here in America. Expect that same sluggish but relentless freight-train acceleration that you get in a Mercedes 300D. You’ll get there eventually. It burns a little oil, and there’s a transmission pan leak that should probably be addressed.

The interior is really clean, and in that grand French motoring tradition, very comfortable. It has power windows, but the rear windows don’t work and the driver’s window is a little recalcitrant; it sounds like the switches may be failing. Openable windows are important here, though, because it does not appear to have air conditioning.

The paint is shot, but at least it’s not rusty. Let’s hear it for Western cars. A paint job would help it a lot, even a cheap DIY job. I do feel like that tow hitch might be a little optimistic, unless it’s for one of those little Harbor Freight utility trailers.
Ninety-nine percent of the public won’t give either of these a second glance, but when that one percent recognizes them, you’re in for a conversation. Even old and faded like this, you’d be a hit at the right Cars & Coffee gathering with either one. And they’d both be fun to tinker around with. So what’ll it be – the rare K-car, or the French diesel?
Peugeot I guess. Just saw a 505 turbo on FB with ripped seats and faded paint….for $11,000. I did not add a zero to that number. I would imagine he’ll be sitting on that one for a long time.
Wow, yeah that should be: 404 Error “Price” Not Found…what a ripoff, I can’t believe how much some people want for certain cars that are in bad shape to begin with…then they say the tired old line “well, it’s worth what someone is willing to pay” which can apply to a decent amount of cars but when it’s a ripoff for a basket case car, what also applies is that buyer is still a fool! Plus sellers like this are trying to take advantage of people on purpose
I think you have to pick the 505 on 5/05.
Yuk!
This is definitely a neither day for me, but that’s not how the game is played. As I’ve gotten older diesel fumes have begun giving my massive headaches, so I’ll have the Dodge. I guess. At least I’ll be able to find parts for it.
Gotta go with the Peugeot for the diesel, and I live in Pittsburgh, so that Dodge would only be usable for like 5 days in the summer when it’s not potentially going to rain…
Dodge. When the top goes down, the interestingness goes up.
That and the possibility that pretty much everything for the 505, possibly including routine service items, would have to come from France scares me in the current uncertain trade climate and just isn’t worth it for an automatic sedan.
You can get almost anything for it from Argentina, and posibly cheaper even considering shipment. You can especially source Euro-spec headlights and tail lights, improving its looks by a mere 609384754%.
Pug.
Immediately remove the diesel. First off, someone has fiddled with that thing – there’s a coolant tank where it doesn’t belong, a cone air filter, orange wire loom on the firewall (no way this car has an airbag, so this is a style choice).
Because diesels are terrible Rube Goldberg nonsense (I mean, they’re neat, but old diesels weigh as much as a locomotive, while modern details are halfway to a nuke plant), scrap it. Cheapest, lowest-performance LS (like the 4.7) will fit with room to spare in an engine bay designed to hold a PRV. I mean, you could torture yourself and hotrod a PRV, which is a cool engine in its own right, but here in the States, it’s gonna cost a zillion dollars to make it hot enough to melt your Croque Monseiur.
Besides, Chevrolet is a Swiss/French name, so .. yeah, it’s still semi-Gallic.
While it’s apart, spray the exterior so it doesn’t look as dowdy (not a patina fan).
If you’re going to do all that with a 505, start with a wagon.
Working with what we’ve got in front of us. Wagons are cool. I’ve had wagons. Not everything has to be a wagon.
This is madness of the most Autopian kind, and deserves COTD. Not counting all the Lemons style fab involved, it sounds pretty fun. Mon Dieu? Non, Mountain Dew!
Hardest part will be the motor/trans mounts and driveshaft (get that pinion angle correct!).
Get a cheap welder and some angle iron for the mounts. Learn to weld!
Local truck drivetrain shop can fab you a one-piece driveshaft, no problem.
Oh, and since it’s a Pug, it’s possibly (probably?) got Nivomats. Fun times there. Maybe not in a sedan, though.
You can make it run with a Holley Sniper, which can also control the trans.
The 400. If I’m going to suffer driving a low-performance vehicle with a slushbox, at least let me be able to drop the top.
I chose the 400, but I’m just going to make side offers on the seller’s Cordoba and Mark VII in the background. Any fellow lover of American PLCs is someone I’d like to do business with.
It better have Rich Corinthian Leather (TM)
I’m going with the Peugeot. I think this is a nice looking car. I like diesel engines, even if I know this particular diesel is not exactly high performance. Also, I like that the owner put forth some effort to get decent pictures of this car. I’m puzzled as to why the owner took artistic photographs in front of a demolition site, but I appreciate the effort nonetheless. My only concern with this car is part availability, but aside form that, I might be interested for $2,300.
I have far less concerns about parts availability for the Dodge. I actually have no idea if parts are still available for this thing, but parts availability doesn’t matter if you aren’t planning to fix it. If someone gave me this car, my only decision would be whether I drove it to the scrap yard or removed the plate and abandoned it where it sits. I can’t believe seller has the audacity to ask $2,000 for this car and include a “no lowballers” statement. I’m not even sure you can lowball a car like this. Offering a straight up trade for a gas station hot dog and a 5 pack of Schlitz would be lowballing the guy with Schlitz.
I was seriously considering the Peugot, but the parts about non-functional AC, bad window switches and trans leaks made me pause. None of those things are big deals to handle as long as you have the parts to do the job. I’m not entirely sure about the last part of that statement. The Dodge is, well…a Dodge – no matter what’s wrong, you’ll be able to find parts to throw at it. I’m not enamored with K-cars, but there’s some kind of honesty and simplicity about them, especially for those of us who remember when they were absolutely everywhere. A desert car like this one wouldn’t be bad to paint up and replace the back window, you know- for puttering around purposes.
I see a 505 in the same colour in my area on a somewhat regular basis in the summer so I’m voting for it.
You’re gonna have a hard time trying to make me vote against Fired By Compression.
A manual petrol Peugeot would be a much easier choice, but at this price point, the fact that it is interesting beats out the wallpaper-paste K-Car with the rag roof.
Normally I would choose the convertible… But it’s a Dodge, so i’m going with the turbodiesel instead.
I was all set to pick the Pug. I think it would be the first time for me to pick a French car, but then I saw it was an automatic.
I’ll take the drop top K.
If the Pug was manual + gas, it would win. But it’s not.
Nay. You must accept our Lord and Saviour, Rudolph Diesel, into your heart. Then you may ride into Valhalla, shiny and chrome.
Diesel makes me sneeze. No thanks.
Diesel fumes give me a massive headache. Hard pass for me.
And sooty and smelly.
K cars were disposable junk that handled like a garbage scow. The Peugeot will cockroach along for many many years.
Both the K-car and Peugeot diesel are on my list of interesting cars I want to own but neither of these are it. Forced to pick, I went Peugeot for the comfy interior. If it had a manual trans the choice would be easier.
The thought of a non-AC car in the desert with flaky window switches is making me sweat!
I’ll have to chose the K-Car (a nice Reliant automobile) because there is an outside chance parts are available for it.
Also, Jon Voight might have owned that car. You can’t risk missing out on that. You just can’t!
OK, there needs to be a rule about taking BOTH good Gen X-era K-car references in one post.
Yes. The rule is: stop fucking doing it.
Automatic points deduction for not asking if the radio is “clear as a bell,” though.
Should we check the bite marks on the pencil to see if they match?
Yup! Also notice that in both instances these cars end up on fire! Ha ha
I was all about the Peugeot in a “relive a place in time” sort of way until reading “automatic”. Mine was the same colors and spec but for a stick shift. It was a fantastic car for the broken up roads of Michigan, while delivering 35mpg at 75mph.
I don’t want either, but I really really don’t want the Dodge. I guess I’ll vote for the Peugeot.
Choosing topless over gutless today, though in truth, my real choice would be neither. Taking the not OK-car.
My father’s friend had a 505 diesel which he bought new back in the day, I think it might have been an ’85 but I could be wrong. What I do remember that after about a year of ownership it burst into flames while sitting at a stoplight one afternoon. My father’s friend didn’t even have time to get the keys out of the ignition before he had to jump out. The car was burned into slag by the time the fire deparment arrived. After it was out one of the firemen gave him his keys back which were melted into a lump with a steel ring through it. He still has it as far as I know.
So I’ll take the decrepit ragtop, at least it will be easier to bail out in the event it goes up in flames.
Yeah, what’s hilarious/ironic is the 400 is Lebaron adjacent; and in Seinfeld and Planes, Trains, and Automobiles they both end up on fire!
Ha ha
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ox8qgIcQmYQ?si=RIj0ONJZdMsOVeoE
https://youtu.be/X3hjIr7Xp4o?si=dtpL3nru7k4IJjfF
Bullsheet. I Dont believe the story
Ok.
I had a number of Peugeots back in the day, they are really quite lovely. I would not call that engine unkillable, but it’s certainly stout enough if looked after properly. With the automatique, they ARE very slow in 2.3l form. I had an ’85 with the 2.5l, and that made a surprisingly big difference. The ride is simply sublime, as are the seats.
Definitely my choice over the K-car.
I used to drive these too, back in the day. Seattle was thick with them for cheap. Auto trans is definitely not the way to go with these. The xd2 or xd3 are the version of the Peugeot Diesel that finally had some longevity- the earlier versions had sleeves that leak eventually. Sometimes they have weirdly sized rims that are specced in cm or mm, and even in the 90’s it was something like $200 each for the tires. Mine had a center-console mounted car phone that worked (this was the pager era, nobody even had a flip phone). They are quite zippy with a clutch, but this one’s way too worked, and I think they’re all too old to bother with, especially since they are the automotive equivalent of abandoned-ware. I chose it anyway because they kind of rule. K-Cars were garbage from the get go, no nostalgia there for me (even though one of my best friends got one from her dad and it was the ‘party car’ for us all in about 1990).
I like the Peugeot, but when the inevitable breakdown occurs I know I’ll be able to get parts for the Dodge. Going K Car on this one.