We’ve talked about Danish supercar maker Zenvo before here; they’re building a very striking-looking carbon fiber-monocoque supercar with a bespoke hybrid drivetrain containing electric motors and an incredible four-turbo 6.6-liter V12 engine making an absurd total of 1,850 horsepower. It’s all very important stuff, so when I got a chance to talk to their designer and CTO, I knew the important things to ask about: the marker lamps.
That’s right, the side marker lights. Well, the side marker lights and the rear reflectors and the third brake lamp. These are legally-required lighting elements for the American market, and they can be very expensive things to develop independently and get official DOT approval for, so most supercar makers – who deal in low-volume cars for very price-conscious buyers – tend to use pre-approved and developed units from other cars or from parts catalogs of established suppliers.


This process often ends up with an unpleasant juxtaposition: multi-million-dollar supercars, carefully engineered and designed down to the very last detail, but with cheap, crappy marker lights that were just picked out of a catalog at the last minute slapped on. Just look at this 2014 Pagani Huayra, for example:
That has zero design harmony with the rest of the car; how embarrassing! Luckily, Christian Brandt, the head of design at Zenvo, understood that this kind of half-assery on such an otherwise meticulously-designed car just won’t work. So, when it came to finding DOT-approved and compliant marker lights and reflectors for the Zenvo Aurora, he knew he had to do better. And I think he did!
There’s a pre-production Zenvo being used for testing, but with the production styling, including the marker lights. You may not have noticed them right away, which is part of the point – they look very well integrated into the car, and not some tacked-on afterthought.
Zenvo didn’t make these lights themselves. Christian, who, incredibly, actually was happy to discuss the side marker lights of his supercar with me and not simply give the security guards a knowing look and have me dragged out and flung into the parking lot, spent a lot of time looking around at the sorts of lights and reflectors on other production cars before finding just the right ones for his vision.
It wasn’t easy! While the sort of marker lamps he settled on – the type that hug the wheelarch – aren’t necessarily uncommon on production cars, getting the right ones, ones that matched the radius of the wheelarch and still sat at the same angles as their donor cars so that the reflector angles still met the legal requirements was a massive challenge.
But he did it. And I want to know what cars these lamps came from.
Christian wouldn’t tell me, but he did agree to something: if we, the Autopian Hive Mind, can figure out where we think these lights came from, he will confirm if we are right or wrong.
The Zenvo people, while amused at my confidence and interest, don’t think we can do this. I think we can. I think we can teach these Danish supercar makers to never underestimate the astounding power of automotive geekery that the Autopian Collective is capable of. So let’s show them.
I only have one real clue: these lighting elements come from three separate cars. Also, my initial guesses: the new Chevy Blazer or the Mini Cooper – are not correct. So let’s look at these lights and reflectors, starting with the front side marker lamps:
There they are, hugging that wheelarch, with curved and angled ends, slightly different from one another. What car donated these? Now, for the rear:
Very similar to the front; I suspect these marker lamps are both from the same car, but the following items, the rear reflector and the center high mount stop lamp (CHMSL), are from two different vehicles, for the total of three donor cars. Here’s the CHMSL:
That’s a tricky one! Very thin, with a lone row of LEDs.
And, finally, the rear retroreflectors:
This one almost feels like a sabre or scimitar or similar sword, but definitely didn’t come from the Reliants that share those names. This one may have a bit of a hint here that could make this easier:
Is that a Ford logo? Maybe? Are these Mustang ones too straight, or might they fit, rotated 90°?
I’m not sure it’s those, but maybe it’s a place to start?
Anyway, let’s show these supercar makers that when it comes to absurd lighting minutia, they can’t put one past us! I know we can figure this out! I believe in you and your beautiful geekery, Autopians!
1. International
2. Durango maybe
3. CTS or Escape
4. Definitely Ford
All I noticed was the GAP on that wheel arch light! Wow. I guess Tesla has competition.
It’s pre-production, it’s not going to be perfect.
Bummer. I was hoping there was another expensive car people could trash. Tesla trashing is getting old.
My guess for the side marker lights would be from the Charger/300. Unsure about the other lighting.
Good thing it’s Friday. I’m gonna print this article and tack it up at Side Piece, my favorite side marker bar.
The side markers are Diode Dynamics side markers for the Dodge Charger.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/114852607154?srsltid=AfmBOopucEv2kESFFmNDchiHaJWAjAa5P728t-6BM9AfSjGZ7yVWgKvt
Edit: got beat by a solid 9 hours, somehow skimmed past that comment earlier. Rip.
At the risk of getting Torch’d off this website, every picture in this article is proof of the tragedy that is the orange marker regulation.
Whether well integrated in the headlight (the worse option because you can’t fix it) or tacked on as an afterthought, that little splash of orange visually ruins every US market car.
On all my cars, I either cover them with a body color panel, or with a clear/smoked (depending on the color of the car) marker instead.
I currently live overseas; you only need 5 minutes of observing traffic to see the same cars sold in the US look so much cleaner — and it’s because of the absence of orange markers.
The USA’s “different and incompatible but not better” lighting regulations are unutterably stupid.
I would wager a schein 10 speed.looks like cheap quality and likely to break on the first drive
Side markers look like the ones from a FIAT 500 Abarth.
Too bad we can’t post the picture and chime in
Agree
The CHMSL looks like the center section of a wider light, like the light bar across the back of the Civic hatchback or something similar.
Was initially thinking BMW i3, but the curvatures don’t seem to quite match
I believe the i3 uses the same markers as Minis, so good, but apparently wrong, guess.
It would be beneficial if the arch measurement was posted because you can’t tell from a 2 dimension picture
I’m not entirely sure of the size of the Zenvo, so scale is a bit challenging, but those look mighty similar to Fiat 500 side markers…
ChatGPT seems to recognize all of these as Corvette C7 lights.
Red side marker is from a 2015, according to the code on it. “SAE AF2 15LD”
It’s the year it was approved.
Just helps get a better time. But, who would use a marker that was before 2015, I don’t know. Torch maybe?
I mean they could. UPS truck had Oldsmobile Intrigue headlight for the longest time. But 2015 would fit with the 2015 Charger and 300. We can also see Diode Dynamic logo (as pointed by @Large Marge) I quick trip to their website and the only one that would be remotely close would be this.
https://www.diodedynamics.com/led-sidemarkers-for-2015-2023-dodge-charger-set.html
Gemini told me the CHMSL was from a Mitsubishi ASX which is also wrong.
It’s hilarious how it gets some things right, and others way wrong. I asked it to identify a bunch of pneumatic connectors on a vacuum pump, and it was pretty much spot on. #shrug
I don’t mind it being wrong sometimes, we all are, what I can’t stand though is the absolute confidence it displays whether it knows the answer or is just guessing.
I agree. You can ask it to be more humble. I asked it to stop kissing my ass everytime I corrected it a long time ago. It’s a much better experience. I want you to be a computer, not a friend.
The rear reflector is from a 2019-22 Ford Edge
That’s a great shout!
https://www.fordoempartsdirect.com/oem-parts/ford-reflector-kt4z15a449b
Maybe
This obviously requires a trip to Denmark to investigate. Also, the Egeskov Castle car museum on Fyn is very Torch-ish, especially the attic full of dusty unrestored random relics. (I can recommend Iceland Air for cheap, pleasant flights to Copenhagen.)
Wait, Venmo makes a car now?
It’s a joint venture with Zelle.
The CHMSL probably is a chinese unit. We can see the China Compulsory Certification (CCC) logo on the right.
I believe the E13 on the left is the European cert too?
From a Changli?!?
My GTI came with (CCC) logos on its brake pads and I didn’t buy it in China.
We were required to have all parts on the machine with (CCC) logos that a customer in China ordered. They settled for stuff with (CE) on it, making it seem like they just copied (CE) logo and requirements to be more difficult to deal with and have one those like Europe has
That CHMSL has a circle with E13 in it, according to this site that’s an Emark European approval stamp specifically for Luxemburg.
https://www.tralert.com/en/lighting-terms/e-mark/
Btw, I tried to cheat and ask AI, Ouroboros would appreciate the response:
As @Chickentimer just mentioned, the CCC logo means it was built in China, so we’re looking for a chinese built car sold in Luxembourg. Which could be MG, BYD, DFSK, Xpeng, BAIC, SWM, Chery, and Hongqi according to the luxtimes.
It doesn’t.
We put (CE) logos on our stuff made in USA sold to EU.
It means parts meet (CE) or (CCC) requirements (I bet they are the same as even logo was copied so it would be easy to convert from printing counterfeit (CE) logos to real (CCC) logos)
They had no idea how many articles about tail lights this site has published.
I think they knew exactly how many articles about tail lights this site has published. It’s car week, there’s 8247292 supercar/hypercar launches. PR teams know they need a hook to get an article written about them.
Side markers are aftermarket, made by Diode Dynamics. For a 2015-2023 Charger.
I think you got it. As @10001010 pointed out above, seems like they’re shared with the 300C
That’s got to be it, the logo right before the DOT SAE matches the favicon on their website.
As soon as I saw them I recognized them, I have a set sitting on my shelf from my 300C. LX platform lights for sure.
Exactly what I was gonna say. The front lights are the same ones from my 2023 Chrysler 300… which are shared with the Charger, and were from the 2015 redesign.
I saw the side markers and immediately thought Dodge Charger. They are so unique in the automotive marker light game.
This is a fun challenge by Zenvo, I appreciate their willingness to lean in to the unconventional marketing required of a small, weird car brand.
I think as an additional hint, we should remind folks that the cars in question don’t necessarily have to be current models. They can be from any time in the past decade or so.
That CHMSL is screaming pickup truck to me, but it’s going to be super difficult. I suspect we can limit it to cars with an externally-mounted CHMSL, so sports cars, pickups, and oddballs.
Those wheel arch side marker lights look like the ones on the 300C
https://ajpdistributors.com/products/for-2015-2020-chrysler-300-300c-rear-bumper-turn-signal-housing-clear-lens-red-led-light-lamps
100% an LX platform light.
I agree, they look VERY similar.
Since the car uses quite large wheels, we can basically narrow down our search to cars with wheels over 19 inches. That’s basically all I can say because the side marker lights could be from a F250 for all I know. Wheelhouse opening sizes have so much flexibility and it could go from pickup truck to a hypercar.
Edit: Front market might be coming from a Mclaren Artura? It might be easier to find out by comparing tire sizes.
If the reflectors have to be used in their original orientation to maintain compliance, I don’t think those reflectors would have been rotated from a Mustang.
Yes, because the inner retroreflectors have to stay in the same orientation.
Oh man, I am already giving up. I realize how much I simply do not look at new cars…
They missed the chance to add trafficators. And to think that they call themselves a proper car company.
Oooh, giant trafficators that can also serve as airbrakes at high speed. That’s forward thinking.
It’s an air brake on the side you’re turning towards, I can just hear some startup super car manufacturer advertising how that helps with cornering.
They could market them as steering fins and hit up SpaceX for some design expertise!
Get an extra couple of points on the skid pad that way.