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The 2026 Subaru Outback Is So Capable That You Won’t Care How Ugly It Is

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The Subaru Outback is the automotive equivalent of an air fryer: a kitchen appliance that can actually deliver joy—slightly lower-guilt joy compared to other appliances, that is. For 2026, it’s even better, with a far-improved interior and fewer rumbles from the outside world. It’s also uglier, much more so than ever before, but only from the outside. And, as with any Subaru other than the zippy BRZ coupe, its appearance improves a bit when coated with muck.

I spent a long day rambling around rocky, loose fire roads within an hour’s drive of Sedona, Arizona, in the two bookends of the 2026 Outback lineup: the base Premium trim with just 180 horsepower and the range-topping Touring with the available turbocharged model delivering 260 hp.

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Both could better harness the power vortices alleged to haunt Sedona, but quick acceleration has never been an Outback hallmark.

Incremental Improvements Show That Subaru Was Paying Attention

Subaru Outback
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Basically everything you can see or touch in and on the Outback has been reworked for 2026, marking the model’s biggest rethink in a long time. It’s still a wagon on stilts, albeit less of one than ever before. For instance, the new Outback still sits 8.7 inches off of the ground, but its taller roofline stretches overall height from the outgoing model’s 66.1 inches tall to 67.5 inches. That makes it about the same height as a Toyota RAV4, yet quite a bit shorter than a Toyota 4Runner or Honda Passport. 

Visually, its cues are more SUV-like than wagon-like, particularly in the blocky, upright front end. More upright B-, C-, and D-pillars—those aft of of the front passenger compartment—enhance the SUV-ish look. Subaru dialled back some of the outgoing model’s cladding, but it amped up surface detailing. The fender flares have a needlessly angular look with fake grab handles that would serve no purpose even if they were functional (If you need to portage your Outback, you’ve perhaps gone too far into the woods). 

Subaru Outback
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So busy is the Outback’s exterior styling that the three trims I was able to view—base Premium, mid-level Limited, and almost luxurious Touring—are roughly on par with the outgoing model’s overstyled off-road Wilderness trim. The new Wilderness, which is a few months out, takes its cladding to the extreme.

Subaru told us that it took a few of its most obsessive owners on a camping trip to learn how they used their vehicles; we can only imagine the fireside conversation. But what resulted were a host of functional detail improvements.

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For instance, the standard roof rack still sprouts up to catch plenty of wind, but it’s stronger, has easier-to-access hooks for attaching rooftop tents and the like, and it is even rated to hold one side of a hammock. You will, however, have to buy crossbars if you want to attach anything to it. At the rear (out back, if you will), the Outback’s more upright liftgate opens to reveal a larger aperture and a slightly bigger cargo area than before. Opting for the tow hitch option—the Outback can lug up to 3,500 pounds—no longer requires bumper surgery thanks to the new pop-out panel. Back in the cargo area, the fabric luggage cover can be arranged to create a partition or a small hammock useful for holding loose items. Its best asset is that it takes up very little space when it’s not needed.

Subaru Outback
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The convenience upgrades abound inside, too, where the Outback now has big door cupholders in a felt-lined compartment, a large tray for the wireless device charger that didn’t seem to like my iPhone, and, of course, rows of buttons. Subaru, perhaps more than any other automaker, has realized that people want buttons and knobs rather than touchscreens. I counted as many as 16 climate and seat buttons, where the old model had just eight. Then again, the old Outback had a vertical screen with the resolution of a Tamagotchi, so really, anything is an improvement.

Subaru Outback
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But let me not undersell just how much better the Outback’s new touchscreen is. It’s bright, crisp, and boasts new infotainment software that just seems to work right. The same goes for the digital instrument cluster, which, thankfully, has an analog-style mode. Other car brands should take note: this is how you do it with buttons, knobs, and no flashy software. 

Subaru Outback
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I never grew to like the way the Outback looks outside, but its interior is a big improvement. Premium and Limited trims have wide swaths of rugged-looking fabric that stretch across their door panels and dashboards. The look is relentless, but it also lightens the mood compared to the busy urethane used in the last model. Top Touring versions have color-matched vinyl that does not look or feel like their Nappa leather seats. If there’s a kvetch, it’s the black headliner that is textured to look like a Patagonia fleece but feels cheap to the touch. 

On The Road: The Same As Before, But Much Quieter

2.5L engine
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Once I secured the Outback’s hood prop rod—yes, really—I looked into the void that is its engine compartment. The standard 2.5-liter flat-four (FB25, in Subaru-speak) sits very low, with nothing in the way of plastic dress-up bits. Opt for the Outback XT and Subaru swaps in a 2.4-liter flat-four (FA24) with a turbo and a nice, wide intercooler fed not by a hood scoop but by a cutout on the cowl where the wipers rest.

Either way, the flat-four engines transmit power to all four wheels through a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) with steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters. The mechanical all-wheel-drive system is light on bells and whistles, but that’s just fine; tapping the steering wheel button for X-Mode engages hill-descent control and changes some of the traction and stability control parameters for loose terrain.

A hidden boxer engine easter egg
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Subaru made myriad small changes to both engines, largely in the name of improving reliability and noise reduction. For instance, the non-turbo’s new piston rings and camshaft are expected to last longer, while its engine mounts and brackets reduce noise and vibration intrusion. 

At least for now, there’s no hybrid version (It’ll come, eventually). Fuel economy suffers a bit as a result of the blockier shape and increased features that pork up the Outback. Per EPA test procedures, figure 27 MPG combined for the non-turbo and just 25 MPG combined for the XT, reductions of one MPG each over the old Outback.

2.4L Turbocharged engine
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The Outback XT’s 260 horsepower and 277 pound-feet of torque must lug nearly 4,000 pounds worth of Subaru wagon/SUV around, so this is no WRX with more cargo space. I found acceptable acceleration and good mid-range punch, but certainly nothing in the way of plenty of reserve passing power. Predictably, the base version was noticeably less peppy, even if it can weigh nearly 250 pounds less in its fleetest (a.k.a. base model) configuration. 

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What surprised me was just how quiet the Outback was, though the 19-inch wheels mandatory with the turbo wear lower-profile tires than the 18s that come with the naturally aspirated version. They growled a bit more over rough pavement than the standard 18s. XT models have the same 12.4-inch front and 11.8-inch rear ventilated disc brakes as non-turbos, so the size-up wheels are a pointless vanity for an off-road-ish vehicle.

Yeah, the Outback has fairly long overhangs, so the mere 20-degree angle of approach and 21.4-degree angle of departure (slightly greater in XT trim) mean you have to pick your line carefully, even though it can straddle an 8.7-inch rock. (Get out your tape measure!) Also, the suspension—consisting of MacPherson struts up front and double-wishbones at the rear—doesn’t allow for much in the way of wheel droop. But the all-wheel-drive system responded quickly over loose rocks as I pushed an Outback XT up the kind of rocky terrain better suited to something with knobby tires. Only once or twice did traction control intervene, and never did I need to back up and try it again. 

Subaru Outback
Photo: Andrew Ganz

On the paved roads that led to the trails, the Outback exhibited less body lean than a typical SUV and its steering—made better this year by a dual-pinion rack—delivered sharp, if numb response. There’s nothing fun about the way the Outback handles, but does there really need to be? Even Subaru seems to agree since it deleted all drive modes aside from the off-road-ready X-Mode for 2026. 

The base car’s 18-inch alloy wheels provide a comfy, composed ride. The 19s fitted to the XTs are noticeably firmer, and for no discernible reason since the quicker Outback doesn’t really handle any differently on pavement. 

Subaru Outback
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Drivers who want more capability should wait for the Wilderness, which, aside from being even uglier, will undoubtedly be the better off-roader. It has almost an inch of additional ground clearance thanks to a higher-riding suspension with special springs and adaptive dampers, and it rides on 17-inch wheels with way more sidewall for rock absorption. It promises to be the most comfortable Outback of the pack, though we’ll have to reserve judgment until next year when it goes on sale.

You Could Spend More, But Should You?

Subaru Outback
Photo: Andrew Ganz

The Outback comes in three basic flavors, aside from the rather substantially different Wilderness: Premium, Limited, and Touring. The base version comes only with the non-turbo engine. That engine is standard in Limited and Touring guise, too, but buyers can spend an extra $3,000 or so to boost their way into an Outback XT. 

Make no mistake: the 2026 Subaru Outback is no longer the bargain it once was. Today, you’ll need $36,445 (including a mandatory $1,450 destination charge) to get in the door, which buys a Premium with synthetic leather seats that are heated up front, power adjustment for the driver’s seat, a power liftgate, and a 12.1-inch touchscreen with wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. That money also nets a full suite of driver-assistance tech under the EyeSight umbrella, including adaptive cruise control with stop-and-go, blind-spot monitors, and a reasonably good ability to center itself in a lane at highway or city speeds. There’s also a driver-attention monitor, which was slightly less annoying in my driving than it was in the prior Outback. Another $2,270 buys a sunroof, a wireless charging pad, and a heated steering wheel, but personally I’d stick with the base version. 

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The step-up Limited costs $43,165, a big hike for leather seats, navigation, Harman Kardon speakers, a sunroof, and a power passenger seat. If you want luxury, save for the top Touring with its ventilated front seats, additional driver’s seat adjustments, Nappa leather upholstery, and upgrades to the EyeSight system that allow for true hands-free driving on certain mapped roads. Though Subaru’s system trails Ford’s Blue Cruise or GM’s Super Cruise, a so-equipped Outback is a relatively reasonable $46,845 for something so well-equipped. 

Add premium paint to an Outback Touring XT and it’ll nudge in just south of $50,000, though most will probably land on dealer lots with various budget-busting manufacturer-installed accessories like mud flaps and roof rails. 

infotainment
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Then again, it’s hard to figure out whether the Outback is a good buy or an expensive one since it doesn’t really have a direct rival. The base Outback Premium is undoubtedly nicer inside, more feature-laden, and more capable than a $36,100 Honda CR-V EX with all-wheel drive. The Subie is also a steal compared to the bulky Honda Passport, which starts at an eye-popping $46,250. In top Touring XT trim, the Outback’s snazzy cabin and underhood muscle more or less match the nearly $60,000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. But does anyone really cross-shop the Outback? Not really. There’s not much reason to branch out when you’ve found an appliance that you like. You stick with it.

Top graphic image: Andrew Ganz

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Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
4 months ago

I very much do not like it. I’m going to be one of those people who lament the never-ending SUV-ication of the only car left that was wagon-like. It sucks. Boo Subaru, boo. I know many Outback owners that won’t touch the new one. It remains to be seen if they’ll backfill the loss of some of the loyal owners with new ones.

If I step outside how tremendously hideous it is, and how Subaru has sort of extended a middle finger to the customers that bought the Outback for ages because it was a wagon, it’s a decent product. This is now a mid-size 2-row SUV competitor, a la Passport. It’s borderline cheap compared to the very pricey Passport. The infotainment looks to be seriously improved (the former Subaru infotainment is AWFUL). Overall, it’s probably a decent product, just like everything else that exists on the market.

Doesn’t mean I have to like it though.

GreatFallsGreen
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GreatFallsGreen
4 months ago

I think a lot of Outback sales had less to do with theoretical wagonness and more its pricing that put it in a “ForesterCRVRAV4+” category. For the typical buyer just researching “best rated crossovery vehicle” that put it in the running with a lot of the compact crossovers. The Outback was usually within 2k of a Forester but IME noticeably nicer at least until the last couple Foresters when the gap narrowed. And now Subaru seems to be letting the Forester more firmly take the volume role.

2015:
CR-V LX: 23445 2WD, 24695 AWD
RAV4 LE: 23680 2WD, 25080 AWD
Rogue S: 22790 2WD, 24140 AWD
Outback base: 24895
Forester base CVT: $22195

2020
RAV4 LE: 25950 2WD, 27350 AWD
CR-V LX: 25050 2WD, 26550 AWD
Rogue S: 25200 2WD, 26550 AWD
Outback base: 26645
Forester base: 24495

For 2026 it drops the base model, comparing a trim up from base which is higher volume anyway, only the Rogue is much cheaper (but we know Nissan is trying to keep things going). Of course there’s various other equipment differences this doesn’t account for, but it’s closer than I expected it to be with the new Outback.
RAV4 SE: 36150 2WD, 37550 AWD
CR-V EX: 33150 2WD, 34650 AWD
Rogue SV: 30900 2WD, 31490 AWD
Outback Premium: 34995
Forester Premium: 33385

(All prices without destination)

Dave M.
Dave M.
4 months ago

I thought my ’13 was the ugliest Outback but in a cute pug-puppy-way. Boy was I wrong. I love the lifted wagon approach. Subaru blew it big time with this remodel.

Noahwayout
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Noahwayout
4 months ago

If you actually use your roof rack, the last Outback was great. You could toss lumber up there or load a roof box with far less hassle than a typical SUV. Add height, and everything gets harder: lifting, loading, and tying things down. That extra 1.4″ doesn’t sound like much—until you’ve got a 17-foot canoe over your head.

If it’s the same height as the competition, a perspective buyer might as well now consider the competition.

Last edited 4 months ago by Noahwayout
Dave M.
Dave M.
4 months ago
Reply to  Noahwayout

And they got rid of the built-in cross bars. Stupid.

Noahwayout
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Noahwayout
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave M.

I can see that as a bummer for some – I prefer full width bars because they do a better job securing a 4×8 sheet of ply but I get that isn’t everyone’s experience.

Last edited 4 months ago by Noahwayout
Andy Stevens
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Andy Stevens
4 months ago

Looks like a Temu RAV4

My only experience with modern Subarus is driving whatever Crosstrek my friend leases. Remarkably capable on the trail I took it up and down a dozen times, to ferry old people to her wedding venue. But the rest is just…fine

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
4 months ago

“You Could Spend More, But Should You?”

Only if you can borrow it.

Cameron Huntsucker
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Cameron Huntsucker
4 months ago

I just cannot with the “hippo doing ballet” stance of this car – the wheelbase looks too small, the track too narrow, the wheels too small compared to the height. Combined with massive front overhang and obviously unneccesary bulky hood, I’m finally no longer in love with Subaru. Just WHYYYYYYYYYYY?

Drshaws
Drshaws
4 months ago

Our last Outback was a 2010 with the 6MT. It was a reasonably nice car.

My mom has had 2 of the CVT models (2011 and 2020ish)…. and I HATE driving them.

Sad to see the CVT sticking around. Also curious to see how CVTs manage in the long run for towing (how many other CVTs have a 3500lb tow capacity? – I’ve not done the research). If this thing had a regular slushbox, I’d almost consider it.

Dave M.
Dave M.
4 months ago
Reply to  Drshaws

My ’13 blew it’s CVT at 75k miles (I don’t tow anything more than a bike rack). Subaru replaced the CVT for free, which was nice. But my buddy just lost the CVT in his ’15 Crosstrek with 55k miles. Subaru wouldn’t cover because although it’s under 100k miles the car is more than 8 years old. So they lost that customer for life…

Ferdinand
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Ferdinand
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave M.

Subaru wouldn’t cover because although it’s under 100k miles the car is more than 8 years old.

That sounds… reasonable? It’s a 10 (possibly 11 year old depending on when he bought it) car.

Younork
Younork
4 months ago
Reply to  Ferdinand

A transmission going at 55k in 2025 is never reasonable.

Ferdinand
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Ferdinand
4 months ago
Reply to  Younork

For all we know, it lived a live similar to a Grumman LLV.

Using just miles for what’s reasonable or not, is silly.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave M.

Wife’s ’10 Outback has 109k miles on original CVT (including fluid) and it only recently started being used for towing with absolute zero issues. I also thin the ’10 cars were just overbuilt in general because that was the debut year for the CVT and new motor after all the head gasket issues so they needed to get things right.

I also baby the CVT though. I engage the parking brake before putting in park because the shifter gets kind of stuck if you let the parking pawl hold the weight of the car and I give the car a couple seconds to fully shift when going into reverse or drive. Old girl definitely needs a few seconds to be ready.

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
4 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

On my 2017 Outback, I engage the parking brake while I still have my foot on the brake pedal after placing into Park. Haven’t noticed the issue with the parking pawl being in a bind.

I also do the brief “wait until it’s in gear” when going between forward/reverse. Rarely tow a trailer, and rental trailer less than 1,000 pounds fully packed.

139,000 miles on original CVT. Hoping it makes it another 2-3 years before I decide to replace the car, but it does do something wonky shifting about 20-25 mph under light acceleration…

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
4 months ago
Reply to  Drshaws

I am led to believe that the weak spot in the Subaru CVT is the valve body, which is not really related to it being a CVT. Unlike, dare I say, a Jatco Xtronic CVT, where the bands and pulleys wear and slip.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
4 months ago

I said a few weeks (or months? Idk I have a 17 month old time doesn’t exist) ago that I actually don’t mind the styling…and honestly I still don’t. I think if this was anything other than a Subaru most folks would be fine with it because boxy is in and it comes in real colors, but since it’s a Subaru people have an idealized vision of what it should be and anything that doesn’t match up with that vision perfectly is vile.

If you don’t like the $50,000 top end trim don’t buy one. It seems like in the low to mid 40s you can get most of what you need (the turbo engine, better audio system, etc.) and that’s about on par for this class of car. And even without a hybrid yet the fuel economy isn’t half bad for what this is. It’s better than any of its V6 competitors. Plus Subaru’s all wheel drive system is about as good as it gets in this segment and this has an interior that’s filled with buttons, knobs, and switched/isn’t over screened.

Anyway I dunno, man. This seems perfectly fine to me. If I was shopping in this class I’d give it a look. Much like I discussed in the comment section for the Prelude article, I think nostalgia causes a lot of enthusiasts to make older cars out to be better than they really were. Subaru will sell tons of these.

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
4 months ago

I don’t remember, have you done a turbo Subaru? I feel like that is a thing you do once unless you really drink the kool aid inhale the vapes. I like AWD and I like a turbo but any Subaru is at the very bottom (like below JLR or VAG) of any list I would make. I figure the CVT further cements my position.

Elhigh
Elhigh
4 months ago

When mine stranded me for the nth time – and it really doesn’t matter what exact value n was, anything more than 1 is taxiing down the runway bound for Shit City – I was done. When the Sube is good, it’s very good, when it’s bad it’s very bad. Not doing that again.

I loved it, except when I hated it. I can’t take that kind of emotional drama and trauma anymore, if I had a human relationship like that I’d walk away. And since I don’t care about hurting a car’s – or car brand’s – feelings, I did.

Dave M.
Dave M.
4 months ago
Reply to  Elhigh

My ’13s sporadic and various maladies over 225k miles (especially sensors; Subaru’s supplier sucks at those….) convinced me that although I love my Outback I wouldn’t repeat the brand until they improved their reliability…

No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
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No Kids, Lots of Cars, Waning Bikes
4 months ago
Reply to  Elhigh

Same. I loved the one I had until I despised it. Same for the GTI.

Joeypdx
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Joeypdx
4 months ago

My two-week fling with the 2025 Outback—was less ‘adventure-ready,’ more ‘adventure-avoidable.’ The engine and CVT combo was hot garbage, and the infotainment? Every time I wanted to adjust something, I had to take my eyes off the road and play a game of ‘Where’s Waldo?’ with a touchscreen that seemed designed by someone who’s never actually driven. The looks are inoffensive, but they’re about as exciting as beige wallpaper, just another SUV in the sea of sameness. After this rental, I welcomed my X3 back, where I was reminded that not every SUV has to feel like a compromise. If the Outback is the ‘safe’ choice, my X3 is the ‘fun’ one—and I’ll take fun any day. I’d never be interested in the 2026 version of this, glad they fixed the infotainment and added buttons back but man is it ugly with a lot of the same warts.

Last edited 4 months ago by Joeypdx
Dave M.
Dave M.
4 months ago
Reply to  Joeypdx

I expected a ton of hate towards the CVT when I bought mine based on the internets but frankly, it was no big deal. Took a day to get used to the no-shifting gears detection, and I was fine. The little 2.5 always held its own in our Houston 500 race traffic.

Younork
Younork
4 months ago
Reply to  Dave M.

At least in my experience, CVTs are fine for driving, it’s the longevity (or lack thereof) that is the issue.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
4 months ago

I’m disappointed it’s become so tall but can’t say I’m surprised. But I’ve realized I don’t think most regular customers will care at all.

VanGuy
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VanGuy
4 months ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

I mean, the one solid advantage of taller vehicles is easier ingress and egress. I find that hard to argue against.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
4 months ago

User comment Bingo:

CVT is a deal-breaker
The wagon is dead
Ugly
Alienating Subaru loyalist
Getting pricy
Yeah, but RAV4
Yeah, but CRV
REI
Where’s the hybrid?!

Rippstik
Rippstik
4 months ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Most of the above are valid points.

Noahwayout
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Noahwayout
4 months ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Have you driven a Subaru CVT? They’re quite good.

Rippstik
Rippstik
4 months ago
Reply to  Noahwayout

I have and it was disappointing. Honda has a much better CVT.

TK-421
TK-421
4 months ago
Reply to  Noahwayout

My ’19 Crosstrek has 70K miles, when should I be worried? 🙂

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
4 months ago
Reply to  TK-421

The later ones hold up fine, but I’d recommend a fluid change fairly soon. For some reason, Subaru of America doesn’t recommend fluid changes in the cvt, yet every other country (that has the exact same trans in the exact same cars) adds it into the maintenance schedule. I did mine in my 23 Crosstrek at 50k miles, and it was pretty easy. Do the front and rear diffs soon too if you haven’t yet.

Last edited 4 months ago by AircooleDrew
Church
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Church
4 months ago
Reply to  Noahwayout

I own one and I would describe it as “fine”. Definitely not “good”.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
4 months ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Yeah, but Mazda CUV transmissions have actual gears.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
4 months ago

Unfortunately for me, my hatred of Subaru has become embedded in my very DNA, so I will never own one of these, but I WILL have to see them all the damn time blocking the left lane of the interstate. I will absolutely, very much never forgive it for being so unapologetically hideous. So ugly I’d be damn near tempted to stare straight into the sun over look at this abomination of plastic clad posturing and CVT hindered cosplay.

Buddybears
Buddybears
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

Have you actually owned one?

4jim
4jim
4 months ago
Reply to  Buddybears

good question. I loved my 91 justy I bought new with AWD and a 5 speed. that little 3 cly tractor could get to 100mph.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
4 months ago
Reply to  Buddybears

I have not but I know several people who have, and I have wrenched on several. Every single one has had problems I would not consider acceptable. See my comment below on a 2020 WRX with a blown engine at 35k miles. I have seen several people have several thousand dollar repair bills at 50k miles, 100k miles, and 150k miles, all for things that probably should not be going wrong for the mileage of the car.

I have seen friends first hand with 2012 era Foresters getting barely double-digit fuel economy around town despite EPA ratings of of 21 city. Even Matt Hardigree here has well documented his deep disappointment with the promises and expectations of the brand. Not to mention that they offer no ruggedness or utility beyond what 99% of people truly need. So no, I haven’t owned one, and my data points are annecdotal, but I have not seen so many people burned by a particular brand of cars outside of BMWs.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

I have seen friends first hand with 2012 era Foresters getting barely double-digit fuel economy around town despite EPA ratings of of 21 city.

Jeebus, what are they doing to those things? I get 22 in a Forester XT of that vintage.

2020 WRX with a blown engine at 35k miles

I know what this one was doing. If you abuse your car, it will fail. I’m willing to bet that was a manual transmission as well… probably hit that money shift, and you know what happens next.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
4 months ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

The 2020 WRX was absolutely not thrashed by my friend, oil changed with full synthetic every 3k miles, zero over revs, he never pushed it unreasonably hard at all. It was a manual, but he knows what he’s doing and not a hooligan. He’s not the kind of person to lie about it, and was a Subaru diehard fan up until this experience. It’s also really not all that fair to say that even a heavily used street-driven car should be failing that early on. I’ve seen countless Miatas of every vintage with nearly 200k being thrashed within an inch of their life, and the powertrains still hold up fine. Subaru’s motors just seem to be weak.

And no offense to anyone on here, but I’m going to form my opinions on brands based off people I know personally, and just about none of them with Subarus have had stellar experiences. Certainly not justifiable based on what the car is, I’d expect issues and repair bills from a high strung BMW, not a Subaru that has all the charm of a Toyota or Nissan.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

I’ve seen countless Miatas of every vintage with nearly 200k being thrashed within an inch of their life

A 100-hp N/A car doesn’t tear up as quickly as a 300-hp turbocharged one? Who would have guessed? It’s definitely an apples vs mangos comparison.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
4 months ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

You said “If you abuse your car, it will fail” you didn’t qualify it, I gave a counterpoint. Not to mention I’ve seen GTI’s and other VAG turbo cars that can survive thrashing with maintenance, Big engine Corvettes that hold up, and more. My point is that Subaru engines, both NA and Turbo, are known to be fragile, they don’t handle extra boost over stock well, nor are they as robust as Porsche engines which are of a similar form factor. If you like Subarus, go ahead, I can’t judge or stop you, but that doesn’t make my reasons for disliking them any less valid.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

My point is that Subaru engines, both NA and Turbo, are known to be fragile, they don’t handle extra boost over stock well

I can see that this is an opinion, rather than a point that comes from doing any actual research (since you already stated you’ve never owned or driven one). But let’s say you did… a basic Google search. If you had, you’d find:

Factory-produced models

  • 2019 WRX STI S209: The most powerful Subaru ever produced for the US market, with 341 hp and 330 lb-ft of torque.
  • 2010 WRX STI Type UK: A factory-produced model with 326 hp.
  • Standard WRX STI: The standard 2.5-liter turbocharged engine produces 310 hp. 

Aftermarket builds and limited production models

  • WRX STI TC380: A limited-run, Japan-exclusive model with 380 hp, built with HKS parts like the GT III RS Sport turbo kit.
  • IAG Performance builds: Some builds have achieved over 1,200 hp, with the highest recorded at 1285 wheel horsepower (whp) and 950 lb-ft of torque using a full STG5X engine and a WREJBB billet block.

Custom builds:

  • Some custom builds are capable of reaching 750 hp and beyond, like the one featured in a MotorTrend article.
  • Another custom build, the Kozmic Motorsports 1400hp WRX STI, holds several records, including the highest top speed for an STI at 182 mph. 
Crimedog
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Crimedog
4 months ago

One of the writers here hated is Subie and was glad to see it go. We went through a few articles on “Are they really that good? Or, are they just good at Marketing?”

This sentence from this article tells me everything we already knew

For instance, the non-turbo’s new piston rings and camshaft are expected to last longer

That this was recognized and addressed means I will probably appreciate Subarus, but won’t ever have one again.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
4 months ago
Reply to  Crimedog

I sure hope they last longer. A really good friend of mine has a 2020 WRX with the 2.4t, and it spun a rod at under 35k miles with 3k oil change intervals. Just out of on-paper powertrain warranty and Subaru US refused any goodwill repairs because him doing DIY oil changes (which were reported to carfax with receipts) wasn’t considered valid maintenance. Had to drop over 9k on a long block out of pocket. This is and so many other cases is why I will never buy a Subaru of any vintage at any price.

Ben
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Ben
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

I feel like Subaru has a manufacturing consistency problem. I know people who have driven them well into the six figures miles, and I know people who were burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles on a brand new engine, and were told that was “normal” by Subaru corporate (worth noting that this “normal” oil consumption would have resulted in the car running out of oil completely by the stated change interval).

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
4 months ago
Reply to  Ben

Agreed. I’ve owned 6 Subarus over the past 15 years, and I’ve loved every single one. I am personally a firm believer of religious maintenance, and not over-modding or beating on your car, which resulted in me getting over 200k miles out of my 04 STi, and 175k miles out of my WRX wagon, both of which are still on the road today. My wife’s Forester XT has just over 160k on it, and it runs like a dream as well.

Buuuut, I also totally acknowledge that some people have absolutely shit luck with these cars, and I have also known a few friends who have had their turbo Subarus die at very low miles when they were not abused. Definitely have to approach these cars with a mindset of potential failure.

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
4 months ago
Reply to  Alexk98

The 2020 WRX has a 2.0 not the new 2.4. Very different engines, and those 2.0 turbos did have some issues for sure. The FA24 that is in the XT’s and the current WRX seems to actually be pretty stout.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
4 months ago

My brother in law just bought his third new Subaru in a row: a 2016 Legacy, a 2021 Outback, and now a 2025 Outback. He was considering waiting for a 2026 Outback, but as soon as he saw what it was going to look like he jumped on a 2025. Anecdotal, but I suspect Subaru won’t be getting many conquest sales based on the Outback’s looks…

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago

Subaru Forester
CTRL-C:
CTRL-V
Rescale to 110%
Subaru Outback

VanGuy
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VanGuy
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

I still have trouble distinguishing early-aughts Outbacks, Foresters, and Legacies (partially because I’m not a Subaru person, admittedly, but still…their differences don’t jump out at me readily)

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago
Reply to  VanGuy

The current profile of the Forester and Ascent already has me doing a double-take at a distance. This new Outback fits neatly between the two, now.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Just too bad the Outback doesn’t have the Forester’s huge sunroof tho

Church
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Church
4 months ago

I just don’t understand why they went with such a polarizing style. Did they think existing Outback buyers needed this in order to be retained? Did they think this style was necessary to get new buyers? Who is this for?!

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 months ago
Reply to  Church

I suspect it was a case of “we can!” with the model no longer being tied to the now-discontinuned Legacy sedan.

The matter of “should we?” – senior 2-rows with nonpremium badges are the slowest selling class of CUV and the old Outback almost outsold the rest of the class combined because of its’ “last of the wagons image – didn’t enter the chat until it was too late.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago

and also, it comes in green 😛

Church
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Church
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Kind of a big deal to me, actually.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
4 months ago
Reply to  Church

There are DOZENS of us! DOZENS!

SAABstory
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SAABstory
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

I have totaled two cars. Both were green. Not chancing anything, so you can have the green.

SAABstory
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SAABstory
4 months ago

My mother in law, current 2025 Outback XT owner and previous Limited owner, asked me about the new Outback. When I showed her the design, she didn’t like it but said she’d put up with it if it had a hybrid. Not available yet, I told her.

She ordered a Maverick from Ford.

Will the new Outback sell? Sure. Will previous Outback owners, people with the 6th Subaru badge on the back like it? Ehhhh. Time will tell.

V10omous
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V10omous
4 months ago

Make no mistake: the 2026 Subaru Outback is no longer the bargain it once was. Today, you’ll need $36,445

Yes, actually it is. The first year of each Outback generation:

2020 – $27,655 ($34,800)
2015 – $27,845 ($38,700)
2010 – $23,690 ($35,500)
2004 – $19,220 ($33,700)
2000 – $23,195 ($44,600)
1995 – $20,005 ($43,200)

Seems more or less in line with what the base model has always cost.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
4 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Damn you and using your silly numbers to get in the way of complaining!

Dan G.
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Dan G.
4 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Yep, but we can discount the Moore’s Law of Cars (I made that up a long time ago).

More efficient manufacturing, more reliance on cheap(ish) computer tech…I don’t think car inflation measures are completely valid — maybe halfway between the general CPI and the cost of a PC.

Speaking of PCs, my last full-featured PC build was from Gateway in 1993, over $2,300 for a basic model…

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

To be clear, it IS a valid metric in terms of how much our purchasing power has changed vis-a-vis cars. But it’s almost necessary because meanwhile we’re looking at decades of a double-digit inflation in education, healthcare, and in some places, housing.

GreatFallsGreen
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GreatFallsGreen
4 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

And that’s before throwing in that an automatic wasn’t standard on Outbacks until the 2015 model, and now for 2026 it doesn’t start with the “base” trim but the Premium.

4jim
4jim
4 months ago

Will non-car fanatics be able to tell the Ascent, Outback, Forester apart from each other and the myriad of other crossovers?

SAABstory
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SAABstory
4 months ago
Reply to  4jim

Everything is a CRV. Like all tissues are Kleenex.

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  SAABstory

I wonder if Honda is quietly kicking themselves for not giving it a better name in the 90s. They probably figured it would be a short-lived trend.

Clark B
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Clark B
4 months ago
Reply to  4jim

I’m a car fanatic and sometimes have trouble telling them apart. VW is worse though, with the Taos/Tiguan/Atlas.

4jim
4jim
4 months ago
Reply to  Clark B

Yes! I glad they label them!

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
4 months ago

Counter point: I think a lot of previously loyal Outback fans will care

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
4 months ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

P.S. Counterpoint: for a grand less than base price, you get a RAV4 with AWD and 44 MPG

SAABstory
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SAABstory
4 months ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

But will Honda send me a badge I can put on the back saying it’s my 6th Honda and I really like state parks and animals?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago
Reply to  SAABstory

Don’t have a popular hobby, or look for “1st Subaru” as it’s probably not in stock.

Protip: Wait for your second Subaru, and pick up a new, unpopular, sport.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
4 months ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

And here I go playing with the Rav4 configurator, had no idea they were so cheap/efficient….

VanGuy
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VanGuy
4 months ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

In theory, but remember Toyota’s allocation system means none will be discounted, and you might have to drive far to find the exact configuration you’re looking for.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
4 months ago
Reply to  VanGuy

Yeah really all I want is a Limited with heated seats/steering wheel. I’m not terribly picky otherwise,

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago

I think Subaru found a way to lose its loyale base of fans. It’s hard to justyfy nearly $50k on this, IMO.

I’ll be 100% honest — as completely fugly as this thing is now, I read the ENTIRE review thinking this was the new Forester and thinking “Well it’s nice they finally gave us the XT back.” Whoops.

Data
Data
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

I see what you did there with Justyfy.

PartsCannonArmory
PartsCannonArmory
4 months ago
Reply to  Data

Not to mention “loyale.”

Church
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Church
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

I have a family full of loyal Subaru owners and the general opinion has been “ew”. So I think they may stay loyal to Subaru, but I expect more Foresters and Ascents in the future.

JAS
JAS
4 months ago
Reply to  Church

After owning 4 Subie wagons (87, 95, 03, 15) (three brown/light brown, one green of course), as soon as the spy shots came out and then the new about the lack of hybrid, I switched to a brown Crown Signia. I always thought I would be Subie for life, but getting the brown Crown Signia was the best move I made.

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
4 months ago
Reply to  JAS

My parents wanted one, but the launch was so slow rolled that they ended up with a Kia hybrid. I feel like they’ll regret that for a while when they go to sell the Kia. What are the highlights of the Crown for you?

R53forfun
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R53forfun
4 months ago
Reply to  JAS

All jokes aside, I think that’s my next move after my ’13 and ’20 Outbacks. Those Crown Signias look niiice.

R53forfun
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R53forfun
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

Indeed. What have they done to their legacy?

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  R53forfun

They took it outback and shot it. Stick levorg in it; this legacy is done!

Andrew P
Andrew P
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

Impreza’v wordplay, everyone.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
4 months ago
Reply to  R53forfun

I don’t feel like they wrexxed the looks of this one. I kind of like it. But I’ve always been a bit of a brat that way.

Clark B
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Clark B
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

I don’t know for sure, but I suspect a lot of people bought the Outback because it wasn’t a traditional crossover/SUV. The market is full of those, and Subaru has offered the Forester for ages. There’s so, so many options in that segment and yet people continue to buy the Outback. I’m genuinely curious how this will sell compared with previous Outback generations.

Data
Data
4 months ago

Look what they’ve done to my boy.

I’m not a wagon fan like so many here, most likely because I grew up riding around in a mid 70’s Ford Country Squire and considered to be very uncool, much like a I guess later generations of children felt about minivans. It will blend in nicely with all the other grey square crossovers flooding the streets. Without the Subarau badge, I would have no idea who makes it. It’s peak anonymous.

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