It’s been a rough few years for Chrysler. From being reduced to essentially a one-model brand to the Airflow concept seemingly going nowhere to Walter P. Chrysler’s grandson putting out a message to save the brand, this marque definitely seems like it’s been left to wither on the vine. However, it does have a plan for revitalization, and the first point of action is to refresh a model that first entered production back in 2016. Minivans forever, I guess.
At the same time, Infiniti has previewed a less-practical version of its three-row crossover that’s sure to invoke some head-scratching, there’s some interesting stuff going on underneath the Acura RSX electric crossover, and Porsche sends belated birthday wishes to one of the best driving roads on this pale blue dot.
Welcome back to The Morning Dump, our daily effort to corral all the little stories you’ll want to read about into one neat, easily-digestible, carbohydrate-free package. I’m on the decks once again, so let’s get into this rather new car-heavy edition.
The Chrysler Pacifica Gets A Life Extension
In the absence of a traditional flagship or, indeed, new product for showrooms, Chrysler has been celebrating its 100th anniversary with, among other things, a video series. Sure, much of it’s been a little bit sad as it’s detailed Chrysler’s history, but upon releasing the final video in the series, the dropped a tidbit of information in a press release: The Pacifica isn’t coming to the end of its product lifecycle.
Chrysler’s future will focus on how technology and design seamlessly integrate to create meaningful experiences, spotlighting new future vehicles, including a refreshed Chrysler Pacifica in 2026, a new crossover soon after and a third product inspired by the Halcyon concept.
Hang on, the plan is to refresh the Pacifica again? The minivan that’s been on sale in its current generation for nearly a decade? I know that the minivan segment isn’t as cutthroat as it used to be, but that thing is getting up there in age. It’s the longest-running minivan out of the current crop, but it is still the only one to offer a plug-in hybrid powertrain. Still, considering the Pacifica starts at $44,445 including freight, a mid-range Sienna is worth the slight premium thanks to standard hybrid efficiency, and the Kia Carnival offers exceptionally strong value for money. Sure, neither of those vans have Chrysler’s convenient stowable second-row seats, but money and refinement talk. Unless the refresh is heavier than a Chrysler Aspen, I doubt a regular facelift will really move the needle. At the same time, a new crossover sounds like exactly the sort of vehicle Chrysler needs, but it doesn’t sound like those are coming until late in the decade. I guess we really are in Chrysler’s lost years, huh?
Yep, That’s A Car
Have you ever woken from slumber thinking “I need a less-practical Infiniti QX60”? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening anyway. It’s no secret that the C-segment Infiniti QX50 is ready to die, and although sloping the roofline of a QX60 won’t completely fill the void left behind, it should pick up a small handful of buyers in the niche of not wanting to been seen in a three-row crossover. While production-spec details haven’t been announced yet, Infiniti just showed off the QX65 Monograph concept at Monterey Car Week, and it seems like it’s trying to harken back to glory days without doing the legwork. Let’s see what the press release has to say:
“QX65 Monograph has extraordinary character, combining inspiration from our innovative FX coupe SUV with Artistry in Motion design principles to create a stylish two-row that proudly stands apart in the cluttered midsize luxury space,” said Alfonso Albaisa, senior vice president for Global Design. “It’s sculpted with an underlying sense of speed and elegance, blended with very muscular and strong proportions – all headlined by the expectation-defying fastback roof silhouette.”
Okay, a few things to note here. Firstly, the FX was cool not because of its roofline, but because it was essentially a 350Z for families. It rode on the longitudinal FM platform, came standard with a VQ35DE 3.5-liter V6 and was available with a 4.5-liter V8. If Infiniti wants to make another FX so badly, guess what? The platform is still around. It’s still under the new Nissan Z.
Secondly, the prospect of a QX65 seems like a tough sell because not only is it a niche product, volumes for the regular QX60 aren’t outstanding either. While 13,106 examples through the first half of the year does make the QX60 the best-selling Infiniti by a longshot, Lexus sold 52,888 RX crossovers over the same timespan. As someone who once owned and loved a golden-era Infiniti, that’s a painful figure to acknowledge. The brand needs some big swings, and a QX65 doesn’t seem like the move.
…With RSX-y Results?
The moment purists have been dreading is here: Acura has pulled the sheets off the RSX Prototype and it’s an electric crossover. If you’re primed and ready to boo, that already happened a few months ago. Anyway, “Prototype” is Acura-speak for nigh-on production. Change the wheels and maybe the lighting and you’re pretty much there. We’ve seen this treatment on the Integra prototype, the TLX Prototype, and of course, the whole second-generation NSX rollout. Anyway, in the process of unveiling the RSX Prototype at Monterey Car Week, Acura dropped some pearls of information on the production model, and these details actually sound promising.
With powerful dual-motor all-wheel drive, sport-tuned double wishbone front suspension, low center-of-gravity and Brembo brakes – all standard – RSX promises to deliver a fun to drive and engaging driving experience. RSX also will further advance the brand’s top-of-class driver assistive technologies.
Hey, wait a second. Forget the driver assistance stuff for a second because double-wishbone front suspension should be a big deal. It’s part of what made old Acuras so special, a more sophisticated setup than the MacPherson struts up front on most competitors. Also, standard Brembo brakes? Sure, the RSX Prototype looks derivative, but if it’s priced right and performs right when it arrives in mid-2026, maybe we can overlook appropriating a sport coupe name. Hold your horses, folks, this is getting interesting.
Ode To A Road
What’s the best driving road in the world? Some say it’s a canyon route in California, or a dash up an Alp, but right near the top of the conversation sits a Romanian road that’s absolutely stunning. If you watched “Top Gear” you probably know about the Transfăgărășan, a twirling ribbon of tarmac blasted into the southern Carpathian Mountains using more than 6,600 tons of dynamite. From hairpins to sweepers, it seems nothing short of epic, and while it officially celebrated its 50th birthday last year, Porsche has announced a limited 10-unit edition called the 911 Carrera 4 GTS ‘Tribute to Transfăgărășan’ as a belated celebration of sorts.
“When we experienced the Transfăgărășan during the 911 Turbo’s 50th anniversary last year, we found a lot of inspiration for this individualisation package,” explains Alexander Fabig, Vice President Individualisation & Classic at Porsche. “Therefore, we decided to not only create one but 10 individualised cars that pay tribute to one of the most legendary and inspiring parts of Romania.”
So, what’s new on this special edition? Well, the slats on the deck lid grille are painted in the colors of the Romanian flag, there’s special badging and door sills, along with “50 Years” and a depiction of the legendary road embroidered into each headrest and embossed into the armrest. Otherwise, since this is a Sonderwunsch creation, buyers are able to spec everything else out to their heart’s content. While Graphite Grey with Guards Red accents might not be the boldest color choice, I’m sure at least some of the other nine owners will be a little more daring.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
Nostalgia for the 2000s is on the front burner, and there’s something extremely MySpace-coded about “Superbad” by Poptropicaslutz! despite its release date of last Friday. From the jittery low-res video to the two scoops of autotune, it’ll feel instantly familiar to anyone who listened to some of the more Warped Tour-adjacent electroclash that dropped around the time of the Great Recession.
The Big Question:
What are you most excited to see from Monterey Car Week?
Top graphic image: Chrysler
Pacifica seems real solid as is, not sure what needs to be made new, aside from just “it came out in 2016 so it must be bad?”
This way of thinking ends up ruining so many designs and manufacturers just end up shooting themselves in the foot. Think of all the ‘updates’ where they had to change visual things for the sake of change, not because it was better.
Can anyone honestly say the G37 coupe is better looking than the G35? (Ignore the interior quality)
Integra > RSX
4th gen Subaru Legacy > 5th, 6th, 7th gen
So many times they just make it uglier
It feels weird to say, but that Acura looks like a Buick to me.
You’re not alone. The headlights especially.
The Chinese thank you for the compliment.
For a long time Acuras were what Buick should have been doing – I think their customers likely had a LOT of overlap, or at least until the former Buick owner acquired their first Acura. My family went from a long series of Oldsmobiles to Acura, then Infiniti, then BMW. GM assumed Oldsmobile customers would shift to Buicks or Caddy’s but my guess is most shifted totally away from GM.
I’d by a Pacifica DoKa; otherwise, no chance.
Chrysler should continue to lean in on the Pacifica and mine the paid for platform. Rather than chase the CUV trend, they should add a smaller Pacifica clone MPV, something that’s been missing from the market for a while. There’s no shame in being a minivan company.
Could you take a minivan platform and just put an SUV body around it?
If you wanted to make it a less useful vehicle.
Chrysler already has the Grand Cherokee, wagoneer, and the forthcoming Cherokee platforms. Seems like a much smaller lift to badge engineer those.
You could just cover the Mona Lisa with a Scarface poster. But why would anyone want to hide beauty from the world?
The old RSX didn’t have double wishbones like the Integra did, so this is a step up.
The Chrysler crossover should be debuting in 2026 for 2027. Key word should.
Then again, Stellantis wants its cash cow to dry up, so who knows.
The NSX should go back to using Honda as its brand like the first generation did.
Would buy a Pacifica in an instant if I could afford it.
Odyssey is nice and I’m a Honda fanboy, but it’s ugly and removing the seats in the middle seems to be a pain. Not cheap either.
Sienna will never fall into my hands. It’s good looking, but not having a removable second row makes it utterly useless to me.
Carnival, I wouldn’t even look at. I don’t respect Kia as a brand and there’s tons of little issues inside of it that feels just slapped together, like no engineer thought about how people actually use vehicles. Glomming on to that point is how you need to fold down the middle seats to get to the third row, which is already dumb, but they also have no slow open mechanism or anything on them, so they snap forward in an instant. It actually did this on my hand when I was getting my kids out and hurt quite a bit and later, damn near broke another family members nose when it snapped forward and hit them in the face. They had to go to the hospital for it.
So Pacifica it is. I worry about reliability, but it’s been around long enough at this point that I’m sure the major kinks are largely known. Stow and go is essential and I do know from driving it, it’s quiet, comfortable and packs a big punch from that Pentastar.
Pacifica’s are only put into the dumps over the hybrid system only. Get a normal gasser, and those things are great!
I also believe it’s the best use of the ZF 9 speed but servicing that thing will be expensive!
The hybrids/PHEV’s are frankly junque. I see ALOT of them (well, all things are relative) ready for me to buy at 80K miles… (Salvage buyer for a living).
Nah I had the transmission start to go on my 2017 Pacifica last year after only 50K miles. The Pentastar V6 did great but the slapdash engineering of the shitty control systems just fails any Stellantis product.
Everytime we take our Pacifica PHEV on trips, I have to keep an eye at the speedometer since you could do +80mph and you dont even notice it, its so quiet and refined. Being a V6 also it has plenty of power around hills and still gets decent MPG (Around 30mpg). I drove a Sienna before and the Pacifica just drives way better.
If they could change a little bit the layout of the dashboard to put actual buttons for the seat heaters and steering wheel, thats my only complain.
Everyone I know with one of these vans LOVES IT. Keep making it, and small changes over time = how you create a design icon. I still think its the best looking minivan around, and the pentastar v6 is a great motor. Offer it with a 6spd manual and AWD, sell it in raised/offroad trim, and lowered/pavement oriented canyon carving trim.
With the number of special editions they squeezed out of the Challenger, they should be able to make a couple of interesting versions of the minivan.
The Odyssey is only a year younger than the Pacifica, the old Sienna was nearly a decade old and I don’t expect different from this gen. Even the T&C was 9 model years old. Long product cycles are pretty much the norm in minivans now, so long as you can update the safety features and design to meet tests, it fills the bill.
The old T&C/GC felt aged even after the 2011 refresh, the Pacifica was a big improvement. Granted I haven’t driven the current gens of the competing vans, but I had a Pacifica rental earlier this year that had a decent chunk of miles on it, and it felt contemporary in how it rode and drove.
This is still surprising to me, because I know friends who ditched their Odyssey for a Pacifica solely because it was the ONLY PHEV minivan. I’m surprised the Sienna hasn’t gotten the RAV4 Prime’s drivetrain option given the standard drivetrain is hybrid AWD.
My wife used to hate minivans with a passion, but has come around to them. Her tiny commute makes a PHEV ideal, but we also wanted AWD, so that wiped out any minivan.
We got a Mazda CX-90 PHEV instead, which we all like.
The Pacifica and the Sienna both offer AWD options.
Right, but I was specifically referring to an AWD PHEV minivan, which does not exist as the Pacifica PHEV is FWD only.
Even for just “seven seat AWD plug-in hybrids”, there aren’t that many out there, with the Volvo XC-90 Recharge, Mitsubishi Outland PHEV, Kia Sorento PHEV, Lexus TX, and Mazda CX-90.
The Pacifica suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Also, they should’ve made the PHEV a 4-cylinder rather than the V6
Chrysler should just captive import the Hyundai Staria. Chrysler Staria.
Why? The Staria doesn’t really seem to do anything different in a way that American or Canadian buyers would likely appreciate, and doesn’t offer fold-in-floor seating, pretty much a requisite here. Stow-n-Go is such a selling point, Chrysler would go from leading the segment in versatility to last.
no Stow-N-go with the hybrid 😛
the hybrid battery goes in the space where the seats would fold into
The PHEV still has the stowable third row, which the Staria doesn’t have. The majority of sales are the regular gas one anyway. No stowable 3rd row would make it a non-starter for most buyers here, who have made their minivan preferences pretty clear over the years.
The only Hybrid 4 cyl minivan in the market is slow, noisy and it doesn’t really feel like it can provide a seamless transition between EV and ICE power.
It feels taxed all the time.
Chrysler’s V6, although not as solid feels much smoother and responsive without sacrificing MPGs
There are two hybrid 4-cyl minivans now: the Sienna and the Carnival. The Pacifica’s mpg is worse even though it’s a plugin. The Sienna’s 0-60 is 7.9s, which is not slow at all, plus the low-end torque from the electric motor.
The Carnival hybrid just came out a few months ago and uses a 1.6 turbo
Plug-in Pacifica owner here- Great vehicles. I only fill it up for roadtrips and basically use electric drive the rest of the time. It’s comfortable and quiet enough for the family (kids make a NVH advantage of competitors irrelevant because kids are noisy and kick), and it drives great. I won’t have it forever, but with young kids it’s fantastic. And despite being eclipsed by competitors in marginal ways, the price and fuel economy make it a better buy.
Haha! YES, you WILL have it forever – because the hook is well and truly set. Oh, you may have a temporary dalliance with some cute stranger, but 100% will absolutely return to the Swiss Army Knife that does it all.
At work when I send an email with a submittal attached and I claim “more to follow” that usually means “I have no fucking idea when I’m going to finish the next portion, and I might be working on a totally different project for a different customer for the foreseeable future”. Soooo yeah, I don’t have a ton of confidence in seeing this supposed new Chryslover anytime soon.
Eh, RSX was just the new name for Integra, and we’ve got a new Integra already. Have at it, Acura.
The new integra is a complete fucking joke.
This is what we wanted:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/what-new-honda-integra-should-look
Oooh, that is pretty indeed…
It’s part of Acura’s Multiverse.
The color on that Infiniti is freaking awesome. Is that a factory color? Or just a hype color for advertising?
The Pacifica’s secret is the rental fleet to bad credit used costumer pipeline.
Well and all the dudes who default to buying one for their wives while they are buying their Ram trucks.
As a valet at a children’s hospital the demographic shift between Pacifica and Sienna/Odyssey owners is STARK. The general level of stress, chaos, and mess is soooo much higher in Pacificas. Also Pacifica tends to be bought by rural families vs Sienna being the suburban and urban family choice. There also appears to be an income and class dynamic. The sienna is truly classless. The Pacifica tends to be lower class whites >70% of the time.
I once lived in a nearly completely Jewish neighborhood, and nearly every single household had a minivan of some sort. There is certainly a market for them. I’m very interested in what a refresh would look like, as I actually am kind of fond of the styling.
Huh. I live in a pretty high income area and I see plenty of Pacificas.
Hey I’m one of those used costumers! And I use my Voyager to transport those costumes all over town! The Stow N’ Go’ seating makes is a cinch for me to get those pesky rolling racks in and out of the van.
Not all costumers are lower class whites! Especially used costumers. Upper middle class people love thrifting.
Yeah, I see Pacificas in all classes. Quite a few of the upper-middle class engineers I work with have a PHEV Pacifica in the garage, mostly because it’s the only one that offers that. I really don’t see much class distinction in my area between the Odyssey, Sienna, Pacifica, or Carnival. It seems like the family either likes minivans or doesn’t, and if they do, and don’t care about PHEV, it’s a coin flip between which one they get.
Where I live in the Twin Cities, Sienna drivers are typically burka wearing Somali women with a mess of kids on board, blissfully unburdened by seatbelts or car seats. They’re generally dangerously inexperienced drivers who think 15 mph under in the left lane is entirely appropriate.
Pacifica drivers tend to be moderately affluent retired boomers who do a lot or road trips and occasionally transport grand kids.
I should also note the PHEV Pacifica owners in my immediate family are a physician and her mechanical engineer husband, who have three young kids.
Pick your stereotypes however you want. Minivans attract a wide variety of people.
I rented a Pacifica last year that had 60k very hard miles under its belt. Despite that it was smooth, quiet, powerful, comfortable for 5 , fit a week of luggage and managed just under 32 mpg on an 700 mile trip on 85-87 octane. That was done with a few significant climbs and blasting the A/C.
Could it be better? Sure. Throw in a more city MPG friendly EREV system, some soft Corinthian leather and you’ve got a winner.
Out of all the cars in the world the Pacifica is certainly one of them, which is more than can be said of any other current Chrysler product at the moment
…I think the QX65 looks good, and I actually think pretty much all Infinitis look good. For how miserably behind the competition they are in basically every metric their design team sure seems to know what they’re doing. Every now and then I see a new Infiniti in an interesting color and do a double take.
They have nice interiors too! Unfortunately this is powered by the horrendous VC Turbo 4 cylinder which is an immediate non starter. They’d have been better sticking with the VQ in these. While ancient and much maligned by the enthusiast community due to the “trumpets of glory” sound they make when strapped with a cheap aftermarket exhaust, it’s still a good engine.
Its power is class competitive with the other base engines, it’s surprisingly efficient for what it is, and it’s dead reliable at this point. The DURRR MUH NA ENGINE crowd is lacking in luxury options as well. But no. Nissan stuck the self destructive upgraded Altima engine in their luxury products and hoped no one would notice.
Guess what? Everyone did. That being said there must be great leases on the new QX80 because I’m seeing a fair amount of them around here and surely no one is stupid enough to be dropping 100 grand on them…right? RIGHT?!?!
I try not to just blindly jump in on trashing automotive designs but the RSX is a war crime. It’s like the lotus Eletre we have at home…and the centerpiece is quite possibly the most hated Honda design feature of all time, the dreaded, much maligned, horrendous Acura beak. It’s absolutely dreadful and to make matters worse it’s a product absolutely no one wants right now.
Acura already has 4 mediocre crossovers, one of which is an EV. They have ZERO hybrids, are about to have only 1 non crossover vehicle, and their halo car is dead/was an abject disaster. No one wants a fucking coupe crossover luxury EV that’s inevitably going to cost $60,000. The market was over this shit 3 years ago.
They will literally sell 0 of them without blowout leases, and the government is about to stop subsidizing those. They’re also making it here for some reason?! The American market does not want this stuff and amidst the tariff shitposting why the hell would folks Europe or China, where people actually want EVs, be willing to eat the cost of the tariffs that’ll get slapped on these?
I get that Honda probably felt like they reached the point of no return with the R&D they’d already put into this pile of junk but they’d have been better off just cutting their losses and tossing the Acura at this point. Maybe they can recoup some of the costs on a Honda version since people seem to want Honda’s shitty GM EV, but the RSX isn’t even DOA, it died on the operating table years ago and they’re trying to reanimate its corpse.
There is only 2 Infinity models right now – QX lousy SUV, and Q big slow sedan
There are 4.
None are sedans.
Three. None that fly.
The Infinitis have had great styling for a long time now, and the reason they don’t sell is the bargain basement power trains Nissan has stuck in these supposed luxury cars. Put in decent power trains and maybe their showrooms will have human customers returning -currently these Infiniti showrooms are ghost towns.
A crossover to follow? By how long? Even if its only a year, that’s still 2027, which would be a decade since Chrysler’s previous new product launch, and it could well be longer than that. The Airflow was production ready in 2022, then tabled, for reasons. And a car based on the Halcyon to follow that? The Halcyon was shown last year, when would that hit showrooms, early next decade?
Its almost as if Stellantis hired a bunch of Tesla product planning people, the new model launch process is just as glacial
[Morpheus meme] What if I told you… Literally every executive decision Stellantis has ever made was an answer to the question “How do we make STLA go brrrrrr like TSLA?”
They even made the stock symbol a typo of TSLA in hopes that people would buy it by accident.
Guess Chrysler is gonna’ find out how long their One Weird Trick (Stow and go) is going to keep sales at a viable level for the Pacifica.
They know. Their patent for hiding seats in floor has an expiration day
It’s not like the Pacifica is unrefined like a Yugo. I rent them all the time. They’re still quiet, powerful, and great for covering miles with several passengers. And unlike the Sienna, they’re actually available.
I’m hoping to see a new Bugatti inside the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Artificial reef.
I’m torn on Pacifica. It’s a good van, but reliability is spotty and it’s been eclipsed a couple of times by competitors since new. I once declared Stow & Go to be the most underappreciated feat of auto engineering of all time, but I don’t think the tradeoff with the thin/hard seats is worth it (note: fancier models, including VW’s dead Routan and Chrysler’s own PHEV version, skip the seat stowage in exchange for better seats and they are MUCH better…however, if you have kids in car seats, who cares?).
So I guess saying that Stow & Go is a real killer app is a little outdated. Two seats fold into the floor. The floor is also higher than average, making entry/exit a little trickier. Everyone’s third row folds down already. So the relatively advantage is pretty small, and limited to “I just bought a bunch of 4×8 sheets and I absolutely refuse to plan my day ahead of time!!”
When you’re me though, the ““I just bought a {insert large object here} and I absolutely refuse to plan my day ahead of time!!” happens more often than it probably should. S&G will probably cause me to keep Committing Chrysler, unfortunately. I like having a free base model Dodge Dakota with purchase.
I would venture to guess that approximately 100x more minivan buyers are shopping for Stow-and-Go over refinement.
It’s hard to care much about quiet operation when the kids are yelling anyways.
We had a loaded rental in CO several years ago, and quickly discovered that the unused floor compartments are great for groceries and anything you want to keep cold or hidden. Access could be better, but I think it’s even more amazing for general storage than for seat folding.
We also had a rental a number of years ago and the Stow-and-Go is fantastic for dog hauling duties.
We did a cross-country move with 3 dogs and I specified a Grand Caravan for that exact reason. The middle row was Stowed-and-Gone and gave them plenty of room. Left the 3rd row up and kept all our stuff behind it.
Stow and Go those seats and the Pacifica makes a great small moving van for hauling you kids crap to out of town college. Much better then renting a Uhaul.
Am I the only one that thinks the Chrysler is arguably the most refined and minivan in terms of comfort, NVH, smoothness, and generally how cohesive/useful the whole thing is? My wife and I are currently shopping for a minivan and honestly, after driving them all the only thing bad about the Pacifica is fuel economy – or if you look at the hybrid – reliability. Regardless, I think it’s still the best overall package for a minivan; but possibly owning one is still scaring me.
On the other hand, the Sienna feels about the least refined, but expected low cost of ownership and reliability is a HUGE draw for it. The engine is a pretty dreary experience, but you quickly forget about that when you can expect it to run for almost forever and it averages like 35mpg with AWD. I was surprised with just how rough and loud the overall Sienna experience was. But we are wondering how a Limited or Platinum would improve it – if we could find one to test drive…….
I haven’t driven competitors recently, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that were true. I also wasn’t too impressed with the 2021+ Sienna, which is why I own a 2020.
I found the last-gen Kia Sedona and the Pacifica to be the loudest/roughest of the bunch, but that’s a little subjective. But it was bad enough my wife crossed it off the list immediately saying it sounded like a moving truck.
However, that was before we ever tried the Sienna with the I4.
I’m a little biased here, both of our cars are more traditional V6, so there are plenty of turbo fours out there today (some $80k+) that sound rough and unrefined to me…I guess the market is just adapting to accept it as the norm.
I’ve said before that long term ownership seems to be more a thing for minivan buyers. They want Baby on Board and LET’S GO SENIORS 20xx on the same back window.
And they did sell about 120,000 Pacificas and Voyagers in the US last year, which I believe was actually a new record high, or close to it, it was pretty much dead even with 2023, which was the best year for the model. Kind of amazing for a design that’s been around that long
Enough to make it the best selling minivan by a very high margin, beating the #2 Odyssey by like 40,000 units (which is almost the entire volume of the Carnival)
I work peripherally with a few of the largest rental car companies and between two of them they have close to 100K of them. The new recall for defective curtain airbags is playing hell with availability. https://www.nhtsa.gov/?nhtsaId=25V302000