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The Hummer H3 Was The Right SUV At Precisely The Wrong Time

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Why doesn’t GM have a Ford Bronco competitor? You’d think that one of America’s major truck and SUV manufacturers would jump at the chance to build a midsize off-roader that splits the difference between a Jeep Wrangler and a Toyota 4Runner. In fact, there’s even precedent for it. Remember the Hummer H3?

Indeed, here was a capable body-on-frame midsize SUV with real off-road hardware and a reasonable starting price that should’ve been an automatic off-road darling. Instead, sales quickly rose before plummeting earthward. So what went wrong? Probably not the H3 itself, even though it didn’t quite have the refinement of a 4Runner.

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See, the Hummer H3 launched in 2005 for the 2006 model year, and given the average five-model-year cycle for a generation of a new car, it was venturing out into the stormiest waters General Motors had ever seen. Hummer’s most affordable model is rock-crawling proof that sometimes timing really is everything.

Bring Me The Baby

Hummer H3 2006 Lineup
Photo credit: Hummer

After acquiring the Hummer brand in 1999, GM decided to cash in on it with the new-for-2002 H2. Guess what? It was a cultural phenomenon. From music videos to “MTV Cribs” episodes to the driveway of Bam Margera, the H2 was an icon of excess. It didn’t matter that it was a heavily reworked GM truck instead of a barely-civilized military vehicle, pop culture ate it up. This left GM sitting on a pile of brand equity, and in 2005, it would capitalize on that further with the H3.

Heralded as the baby Hummer, the H3 took a familiar formula and scaled it down. Starting with the GMT355 platform found underneath the Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon, Hummer’s engineers decided to change…a lot. They widened the track, brought the front axle forward, shortened the overhangs, and changed so much it got its own chassis code of GMT345. The result was something that looked a lot like an H2 but cut a silhouette only about five inches longer than today’s Toyota RAV4.

Hummer H3 2006 1
Photo credit: Hummer

The reworked Colorado bones meant that the standard engine at launch was a 3.5-liter inline-five churning out all of about 220 horsepower—less than some minivans. However, to gauge the efficacy of this engine based on its headline horsepower alone is missing the point. Not only was 225 lb.-ft. of torque at a low 2,800 RPM, useful for low-speed off-roading or even just getting away from a stop light, the Atlas inline-five proved to be a durable engine in countless compact work trucks.

Then there’s everything downstream of the engine. The Hummer H3 featured low-range gearing with a standard 45:1 crawl ratio and optional 68.9:1 crawl ratio, along with an available locking rear differential. That’s not mall crawler stuff, that’s genuine off-road hardware. At the same time, 8.5 inches of ground clearance is nothing to sneeze at, and ticking the option box for 33-inch tires brought that figure up to a cool 9.1 inches. With the big tires, a 39.4-degree approach angle, 25-degree breakover angle, and 36.5-degree departure angle outmuscle some modern rigs like the J250 Toyota Land Cruiser. Throw in 24 inches of maximum water fording depth at five mph and genuine underbody protection, and you have the makings of a proper SUV.

Hummer H3 Interior
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Mind you, the H3 wasn’t exactly quick. In Car And Driver instrumented testing, an early example sauntered from zero-to-60 mph in 10.2 seconds and didn’t quite hit 80 mph during its 17.8-second quarter-mile run. At the same time, on-road handling wasn’t anything spectacular, with the magazine writing, “On the freeway drive from Phoenix to Los Angeles, we found that the big tires soften steering response noticeably, leading to more corrections against desert gusts than you’d make in a car-based SUV.” However, the nature of a tin-roofed SUV and independent front suspension meant that the H3 was a far more refined experience than a Jeep Wrangler, and a base price of $28,935 for the inaugural 2006 model did undercut the Toyota 4Runner by $975.

The result was something of an initial success. During 2005 and 2006, Hummer sold 87,192 of these first-series H3 models. Closing in fast on the volume of the Nissan Xterra, it was the Hummer you could fit in your driveway, a properly capable SUV with a reasonably tight turning circle that was far more livable than its H2 big brother. For 2007, GM would make several improvements, including a punched-out 3.7-liter straight-five making 242 horsepower and 242 lb.-ft. of torque, a new H3X appearance package with more chrome and body-color trim, and a couple of new colors. However, something strange happened: Sales fell slightly.

The Mighty Fall

Hummer H3x
Photo credit: Hummer

Yeah, so, 2007 wasn’t a great year. Mortgage-backed securities started to collapse, triggering the global financial crisis. However, beyond New Century failing, the first half of the year was marked by record gas prices. In January, things were still manageable at a national average of $2.237 a gallon according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. By May, that figure had punched through the three-dollar ceiling with a national average gas price of $3.157 a gallon. Not a great time to be selling an SUV that could just hit 20 MPG on the highway with its standard manual transmission.

At the same time, anti-Hummer sentiment was still going strong. In July 2007, CBS reported that a Hummer in D.C. was vandalized, seemingly to send a message. As the outlet reported, “On Monday, two masked men were seen taking a bat to every window, knifing each tire and scratching a message into the body: “For The Environ” (sic). The use of these off-roaders as daily drivers had become a firebrand in certain areas, and with the H3, the assault came on two fronts. In addition to this environmentally-related derision, it wasn’t uncommon for H2 owners to look down on the H3 as a lesser vehicle, partly because of its feeble output.

Hummer H3 Alpha 2008 1
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Well, 2008 should’ve fixed all of that with the, in retrospect, comically branded H3 Alpha. Simply put, it was an H3 with a 300-horsepower 5.3-liter V8 under the hood. This injection of firepower shaved a second and a half from the H3’s zero to 60 mph time, and it bundled in a bunch of toys, including a seven-speaker Monsoon sound system and leather upholstery. This wasn’t a simple bolt-in affair, as engineers had to alter the H3’s firewall and frame to make the V8 fit, but it resulted in an objectively more capable baby Hummer. The only downside was the price: Nearly $40,000 was a big hit, especially at a time when much of the McMansion set was tightening their belts.

If 2007 wasn’t a great year, 2008 was the year the bottom fell out. The Dow Jones dropped from roughly 12,000 points in January to nearly 8,000 in November. Some 2.6 million Americans lost their jobs. American home foreclosures soared by 81 percent as reported by CBC News. Given the context, it shouldn’t be surprising that H3 sales fell from 43,431 units in 2007 to 21,373 units in 2008, and that’s despite GM having one more trick up its sleeve.

Hummer H3t Alpha 2009 Side Profile
Photo credit: Hummer

I’m talking, of course, about the H3T. The pickup truck version of the SUV version of a pickup truck. Sort of. While the H3T, like the H3, was related to the Chevrolet Colorado, it had enough under-the-skin alterations to the point of being distinct. We’re talking frame alterations, suspension relocation, track width adjustment, you know the drill. Simply put, the H3T was an H3 with a five-foot bed, but it didn’t stop there. This 2009 model year addition also brought the availability of a locking front differential, a certified game-changer off the beaten path. My colleague Mercedes Streeter has already written a deep dive on this truck, but to sum it up, the H3T was one of the best off-road midsize pickup trucks of all time. Full-stop.

It Gets Worse

Hummer H3t Alpha Front Three Quarters
Photo credit: Hummer

Sadly, the H3T might be the worst-timed variant of the lot. GM only sold 7,533 Hummer H3s in 2009, and if you were watching the news back then, you probably already know what affected it. By November 2008, it was evident that General Motors as a whole was in deep trouble, as it was looking like the automaker would run out of cash in a matter of months. Plans were drafted, funding was sought, some government loans were acquired, but on June 1, 2009, the collapse happened: General Motors filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

What led to this monumental upheaval? Well, many things, but it can partly be attributed to the company’s own bloat and partly to the environment in which it grew. Eight U.S.-market brands and 47 U.S. plants mostly churning out cars that usually seemed to take a backseat to competitors from foreign manufacturers. Huge overhead, including such a large workforce that the Economist reported “Every year the cost of retired workers’ health care diverted billions of dollars from developing new models and added $1,400 to the cost of each car compared with those made in Asian and European transplants.” Big incentives hurt residuals of leased models, and the company simply couldn’t keep enough cash flowing to go on.

No matter how you feel about the bailout and restructuring of General Motors, it’s important to note that GM didn’t build all of its own parts in-house, nor did it primarily sell cars directly to consumers. If the firm were to have ended up in Chapter 7 before being stripped for individual parts, the knock-on effects would’ve been huge. Some 11,500 vendors would’ve lost a huge customer, pretty much all employees could’ve lost their pensions, and that’s before we look at the technicians at dealerships just trying to make a living. It shouldn’t be a surprise that government intervention happened. NGMCO Inc., a collective effort between the United States government, the government of Canada, the provincial government of Ontario, the United Auto Workers’ and Canadian Auto Workers’ employee benefit fund, and GM’s unsecured bondholders, picked up the pieces, but that sort of help didn’t come without stipulations.

Hummer H3t Alpha 2009 Bed
Photo credit: Hummer

As part of the restructuring, General Motors had to let go of several brands. Pontiac was taken behind the woodshed, Saab was sold off to Spyker Cars, Saturn almost ended up being owned by Penske before that deal fell through, and Hummer? Well, that was an interesting one. It was originally on the chopping block, but almost as soon as GM entered bankruptcy court, a buyer from China had its sights on the Hummer brand. As Reuters reported:

GM, a day after filing for bankruptcy, said in a statement that it reached a memorandum of understanding with Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co for the sale. Tengzhong said it will retain Hummer’s senior management and operational team.

Keep in mind, China’s homegrown automotive manufacturing efforts at the time weren’t exactly matches for cars from Western brands, and Tengzhong was primarily a builder of road equipment. Still, a deadline was set, with the only condition being approval from officials in Beijing. That approval never came. On May 24, 2010, the last Hummer H3T rolled off the assembly line. A relatively unremarkable unit, it would go on not to a museum, but to fleet service, likely as a rental chariot for tourists. How anticlimactic.

Timing Is Everything

Hummer H3t Alpha 2009 Rear Three Quarter
Photo credit: Hummer

So, where does that leave the H3 today? Well, as a second-hand buy, it can be a pretty capable SUV for not a lot of scratch, provided you aren’t specifically targeting the highly coveted H3T Alpha V8 pickup truck model. However, as an effort, it mostly seems to be a victim of timing. Shortly after the Hummer brand really spread its wings, the tides turned and dragged it out to sea. What amazes me most is that GM hasn’t decided to replicate the H3 in the present day. A midsize off-roader with genuine chops and a blocky silhouette has been a licence to print money over the past five years. Look at the Ford Bronco, the Land Rover Defender, even sales of Toyota’s 4Runner.

By initial metrics, the Hummer H3 was a hit. The dartboard just changed its orientation entirely. Perhaps it deserves to be remembered with a little more reverence than a Hummer for posers or yet another subpar mid-aughts GM offering. After all, achieving around 50 percent of the segment leader’s sales in a single year has to count for something, right?

Top graphic image: Hummer

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Shinynugget
Shinynugget
11 hours ago

Strictly looking at the spreadsheet stats doesn’t paint the whole picture for the H3(or any car). Search the forums and you’ll find a myriad of issues with the I5, transmission and electrical system. Models like the 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser and even Xterra(I still see a ton of these on the road) built their followings by not just being good off-road, but good to own.

Kelly
Kelly
12 hours ago

I saw one of these for sale with the manual, seemed like a pretty cool compromise vehicle. had a replacement motor but the seller (dealer) couldn’t tell me anything about it so I wasn’t about to touch it but it did open my eyes to it’s existence.

Logan
Logan
17 hours ago

As the comments allude to, I think a lot of the issue with the H3 was that the H2 had already existed. If the debuts were reversed I feel the H3 would have been much better received.

Not that it was good, mind you. Just that the H2 specifically was a cultural flashpoint probably most akin to the Cybertruck.

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
19 hours ago

The article somewhat undersells how much the H2 was hated. IIRC entire dealerships were vandalised. The H3 was still a HUMMER and it was tainted before it was released.

Butterfingerz
Butterfingerz
19 hours ago

They were pretty cool but like everything else G.M. produces were made as cheaply as possible.Transmission and brake problems are common on those machines.

Confabulatory Q. Hoodwinkle
Confabulatory Q. Hoodwinkle
20 hours ago

The way 2008 hit car companies differently is like where you were standing when the bomb hit. GM and Chrysler were weak, but for a while there even if you had a job, there was nobody loaning money. No car loans, no car sales. You could make a good argument that GM was already on the mend before the crash (think CTS, G8, Solstice, and Volt and Camaro coming down the pike) but they were caught sowing when they should have been reaping, or vice versa. Was only Ford’s dumb luck they were on the other side of the investment swing when the finance sector collapsed.

Not to say GM didn’t manufacture some of their own problems, but 08 was a tornado through motown as opposed to a specific failing within the auto sector.

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
19 hours ago

I think you’re not giving Mulally enough credit, no pun intended, for Ford’s situation.

He wasn’t the kindest CEO to the workforce, but by and large he managed Ford masterfully, especially leading up to and through the financial crisis.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
13 hours ago

None of those cars were going to right the ship financially, hell, the economics of using the entire sprawling Wilmington plant just to build a 2 seat sports car guaranteed that the Kappa roadsters woukd be money losers before the first one rolled off the line

BenCars
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BenCars
22 hours ago

I remember following the dramatic days of the economic meltdown. It was pretty wild that GM was willing to flog Hummer off to what was essentially an unknown Chinese heavy machinery manufacturer.

Last edited 22 hours ago by BenCars
Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
23 hours ago

Too busy making whatever the blazer is now to do anything off-road.

M SV
M SV
23 hours ago

There was so much buzz over the h2 and h3 I never understood. H2 is just a broken less usable Tahoe. The wind noise and air resistance at highways speeds alone should have made anyone rethink that. The h3 should have gotten the 4.2 i6 they were using earlier with a built up trans. Still the price difference between the h3 and something similar from Chevy or GMC was shocking. They haven’t held up as well as their Chevy and GMC cousins either. Lots of extra ticky tack stuff and probably the demo that was interested in them were far more abusive. I would have loved to see a 2009 China h3. I think they could have done just as well as GM did with some funny little things. Truly as shame GM didn’t let Penske own Saturn with their factories and network.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
23 hours ago

As a GMT360 apologist, I want to like the H3. Unfortunately, the H3 has terrible outward visibility. Much like the H2, the interior is also cheap crap, as all things GM were at the time, but it is also not as big inside as the outside would suggest. I knew several folks that were initially interested in the H3 that walked away from it because it was all the cost and image problems of the H2 but in a smaller, less usable package.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 day ago

I despised the H2s, kind of liked the H3s. Even I felt bad for GM. Every move they made was doomed by timing failures. Also I still say, Hummer? Seriously? Years later they repeated the same mistake electrically. Anyway, take the Trax, drop a stout 4 cylinder in it, give it 4wd and a removable hardtop. Print money.

Jim Zavist
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Jim Zavist
1 day ago

Image was a big part of the equation. Hummer buyers, back then, fit the same demographic as Cybertruck buyers today . . . with similar sales results.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 day ago
Reply to  Jim Zavist

I thought of Hummer the first time I saw a Cybertruck.

911pizzamommy
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911pizzamommy
1 day ago

my god look at that dashboard, dreadful

Kuruza
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Kuruza
1 day ago
Reply to  911pizzamommy

Exactly. TIL the General made a vehicle that shared a dash with rental-spec Dodges.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
23 hours ago
Reply to  911pizzamommy

First thing I noticed. When people wonder why GM plastics are basically a meme that’s the kind of dash I picture in my head.

It could’ve been the best off-roader ever (it wasn’t) and that interior would’ve had me running away from it as fast as I could.

Strangek
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Strangek
1 day ago

I remember these being terrible, but I might be conflating it with the H2.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

With the Prices for real Hummers the H1 being so nice why go soft?

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
1 day ago

The fact that GM still doesn’t have a BOF SUV on the Colorado/Canyon platform is mind blowing to me. It’s free money and it’s barely even an engineering task…put a roof on the bed of a truck that already exists and call it a day. Add some rear seat room too because the rear seats in midsized trucks are a bad joke.

Voila! 4Runner/Bronco/Wrangler competitor. That platform and powertrain are already well sorted too. The Turbomax chugs gas but it’s arguably the most reliable engine GM currently makes and no one shopping in this class gives a rat’s ass about fuel economy. The ZR2 Bison, AT4X, etc. are legitimately great off road too, so just re use the hardware you already have.

…what’s the hold up? Is it that GM wants to try to upsell everyone to Tahoes/Silverados on ludicrous terms and a reasonably sized rig won’t make line go up enough? That’s about all I’ve got. Or do they just not think they can compete with the Bronco?

Phil
Phil
1 day ago

I wonder if that segment has a pretty low cap on expected demand. In the US, the Wrangler has sold about 150-200K for the past decade, the 4Runner 100-140K, the Bronco about 130K. Cramming another few midsize BOF suvs in there might be cutting it thin even though I’d personally like the choice.

I’ve personally been hoping Ford would bring the Everest over from .au or Thailand. It’s a perfect 4Runner competitor, without the packaging and refinement compromises of the Wrangler and Bronco removable roof.

G. K.
G. K.
11 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

I doubt the Everest would get many more customers than the Bronco does. Ford probably made the right call by giving us the Bronco and not the Everest.

Jay-ID
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Jay-ID
1 day ago

Agreed. I’ve got a 2017 Colorado with the v6 and it’s a great truck (and still has CarPlay). I might replace it with a 2022 Colorado (just before the new model) when this truck gets too old.

G. K.
G. K.
12 hours ago

It’s free money and it’s barely even an engineering task…put a roof on the bed of a truck that already exists and call it a day.

It’s not nearly that easy. It’s also probably risky. It could do 100K+ units per year in sales. It could also do 50K units per year, at which point it would likely be a money-loser.

But, mostly, GM is busy figuring out how to pivot amid softening sentiment and government favorability for EVs. The company pretty much put all its eggs in that basket, and if it had worked out, GM would have been in an enviable position, especially as its EV portfolio is quite competitive and well-styled. There probably are some more ICE vehicles coming from GM, including possibly a midsize SUV, but they are likely 3 to 4 years down the pipeline.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 day ago

The H3 was not a good car. It COULD have been, like all hummers, but it was:

  1. style first
  2. compromised as hell
  3. built by GM

aside from those things though…

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 day ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

The H3 was actually the ONLY Hummer built by GM

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 day ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

besides the H2?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
23 hours ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

That was built by AM General in Indiana, aside from Russia/CIS market examples, which were made by Avtotor in Kaliningrad Oblast

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
21 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

You are thinking the H1. The H2 was a GM product.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
21 hours ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

No, I’m thinking of the H2, it was manufactured by AM General in Mishawaka, Indiana under contract to General Motors, the H3 was the only model GM built in-house, at Caddo Parish, Louisiana. The H1 was also built by AM General in the same plant, so perhaps that’s where your confusion comes from, but the H1 was never contracted out for additional production in Russia as the H2 was.

Last edited 21 hours ago by Ranwhenparked
UnseenCat
UnseenCat
11 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Can confirm. I live on far edge of the county, way outside of Mishawaka. My normal route to shopping, banking, etc. takes me past the roads that connect to the AM General plant. There’s still an old, beat-up sign near one of the intersections pointing off to the “H1 and H2 Buildings”.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
10 hours ago
Reply to  UnseenCat

Wow, they never bothered to change the sign for the R-Class and MV-1, though I doubt they ever came close to utilizing the whole plant

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 day ago

The entire Hummer-fleet had and, still, has a polarizing image problem. The H3 along with it. Those that loved it, bought them early, and few went back to the well. They were bricks with poor visibility.

2008-events just hastened its exit.

The H3 brought little that couldn’t already have been done on the Chevy/GMC equivalents – and with better headspace & visibility than the H-series.

But it did come in bright colors – so there’s that.

Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
1 day ago

Wouldn’t a new blazer fit the wrangler/ bronco/ 4Runner range a little better?
When the new Bronco came out, I think they used the Blazer name again. And it was an embarrassment to what it used to be.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago
Reply to  Cody Pendant

I was hoping GM was going to perfect the 4200 I6, not lop off a cylinder.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 day ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

GM did the Atlas dirty. Could have been a great engine family, cut off in its prime.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

I wanted an Avalanche with a I6 and decent hwy milage dangit!

G. K.
G. K.
11 hours ago
Reply to  Cody Pendant

Why does everyone keep saying that? The Blazer was never all that original or special of a vehicle. In its K5 era, when it was pretty much a short pickup bed with a cap on it, that was a belated response to the Bronco. But it was built the same way everyone else made SUVs. When it gained a smaller S10-based variant, it was routinely bottom-of-class. When it became the TrailBlazer, it was still a bit of a joke, although it did reasonably high volume by brute force.

Now, in 2020 and later, it’s a midsize 5-seat transverse-FWD based crossover. So it’s about as mediocre as it’s ever been. And the EV, a fully separate product, is a genuinely nice and competitive vehicle.

4jim
4jim
11 hours ago
Reply to  G. K.

yes, by the trailblazer is was just not really off-road-able any more.

Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
10 hours ago
Reply to  G. K.

Between the two: Hummer and Blazer, the early Blazer has the better off road reputation. It was good enough that Ford abandoned their smaller Bronco for the Blazer sized OJ era Bronco.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
1 day ago

“I been on the right trip
But I must have used the wrong car
I been in the right world
But it seems like wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong
Slipping, dodging, sneaking, creeping, hiding out down the street
See my life shaking with every who I meet
Refried confusion is making itself clear
Wonder which way do I go to get on out of here”
https://share.google/uoKxjIud7AukzZ2YT

Phil
Phil
1 day ago

Friend has one. Well over 200K miles on it, still going. It’s taken a bit of mechanical repair to get there but it’s still their daily.

To me, the H3 always suffered heavily from the douchiness running downstream from the H1 and H2. Moving beyond that image problem, it’s not a bad vehicle but beyond the better approach angles I really see no reason to get it over the 4th gen 4Runner which had superior drivetrains whether the V6 or V8, better refinement, a nicer interior, and windows you can actually see out of. The H3 feels like being in Brink’s truck. All this is very noticeable on a test drive, so combined with the sinking BOF SUV market at the time, I’m not surprised the H3 was short lived. 4Runner barely made it alive out of that era.

The Atlas 5 is weird. I had a VW inline 5 and loved it. In the H3 it’s an inexplicable and underpowered format. It may have been reliable, but so is the Toyota 4.0 1GR V6 which was a full two seconds faster to 60.

Last edited 1 day ago by Phil
Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 day ago
Reply to  Phil

I’ve most often heard it described as the “power of an inline-4 and the fuel consumption of a V6”

Phil
Phil
1 day ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Yes, that’s the old insulting counter-axiom to how the inline five was promoted: “Power of a V6 with the economy of a inline 4”.

In my VW both of those were kinda true. It was way torquier and more pleasant to drive than a small 4, but it wasn’t V6 power. And it wasn’t very efficient.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 day ago
Reply to  Phil

The VW 2.5 was very agricultural. It happily pulled away gracefully in whichever gear you incorrectly selected without much complaint.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
8 hours ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

“The VW 2.5 was very agricultural.”

I rented a VW New Beetle (I think it was a 2014) that had the updated version of the 2.5L i5… the one that had 168HP and 4 valves per cyl (20V)

I was renting it to look for a new car after my 2005 Ford Focus died.

Compared to the Mazda-based engine in the Focus, it was much smoother, much better performance and about the same fuel economy (in spite of being automatic, while the Focus was a manual).

I was pleasantly surprised by that ‘half-a-lambo-V10’ inline 5.

Last edited 7 hours ago by Manwich Sandwich
Bassracerx
Bassracerx
1 day ago

it was baller on a budget spec at baller prices. the chasis was flawless but the interior was sub par and the 300hp v8 was not ENOUGH power to be exciting and the 4 speed auto made that motor go to work. the inline 5 was a joke it should have had the inline 6 minimum.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 day ago

I would have loved having one of the Alpha’s of these but they are unicorns and I am sure my FJ has been more reliable then one of these.

Rippstik
Rippstik
13 hours ago

…and somehow the FJ probably had better visibility too.

4jim
4jim
12 hours ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Perfect!

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
9 hours ago
Reply to  Rippstik

I actually do not mine how the H3’s looked the FJ’s do look better to me though. The H2’s on the other hand were gaudy as hell.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 day ago

The H2 was a dogshit souffle, but the H3 was surprisingly really great.

Younger1
Younger1
1 day ago

Having worked on these while a GM Engineer, I will always have a soft spot for that whole family of vehicles (345/355). They always needed that I5-T engine though.

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