Every so often in the annals of automotive history, you come across a pinch-me moment of “whoa, they sold that here?” From the insane Mercedes-Benz R63 AMG minivan to the petitioned manual V10 BMW M5, sometimes the car world serves up an unexpectedly excellent dish from abroad. It doesn’t happen often with American brands, but it happened with the Pontiac G8.
It wasn’t the first time GM tried selling a Holden in America, but after the somewhat tepid sales of the 2004 to 2006 Pontiac GTO, it’s somewhat amazing that General Motors tried again. More importantly, this was technically the last all-new rear-wheel-drive Pontiac ever. How’s that for a title?
Unfortunately, the Pontiac G8 was also the victim of some of the worst automotive timing ever. It launched just in time for a world-altering event, was only sold for two years, and as a result, has a somewhat complicated legacy thanks to a future that never happened. So, what happens if we go back in time?
From Australia, With Love
Flash back to the mid-2000s, and while Detroit was moving in all sorts of directions, Chrysler was the big image maker when it came to passenger cars. Words almost can’t describe how big a deal the 2005 Chrysler 300, the 2005 Dodge Magnum, and the 2006 Dodge Charger were. After decades of front-wheel-drive vegetables, here was an American automaker serving up rear-wheel-drive steak with V8 rub to the masses. It was a move that caught everyone else flat-footed, especially as sales exploded. In 2006—the first full year of the three LX cars—Chrysler sold 297,943 of the things in America alone. More importantly, the cars were cultural phenomena. They were hot, driven by celebrities and dads alike, and nothing else out of Detroit could touch them.

Unsurprisingly, GM wasn’t about to be caught lacking forever. The corporation’s Australian division had been building the Holden Commodore, a rear-wheel-drive sedan with V8 power, for ages. Once the VE model dropped, it was time to bring it to America, both as a successor for the Monaro-based Pontiac GTO and as a Charger competitor. Of course, it also helped to have a huge performance car proponent in the C-Suite, thanks to Bob Lutz’s position as Chairman of GM. While rumblings of a Zeta-based U.S.-market GM sedan had been going on for a while, details were shrouded in reasonable secrecy until January 2007, when Maximum Bob let the cat out of the bag to the Sydney Morning Herald.
“We are seriously planning to import a lot of Commodore SS sedans as Pontiac G8s,” Mr Lutz said, adding that Holden could export up to 50,000 Commodores a year if the model was priced correctly.
Ah. Turns out that wasn’t public information at the time, as the G8 wasn’t supposed to debut until the 2007 Chicago Auto Show. Still, two months later, the G8 was one of the show’s big hits. Here was a large, reasonably priced rear-wheel-drive sedan with either a 3.6-liter V6 or a 361-horsepower six-liter V8, a true blue-collar performance sedan for the GM fan. Sure, the production car would lose the show car’s wheels and certain other accoutrements, but the next year, this love letter from Australia would arrive on North American shores essentially as-promised.

Alright, so the only transmissions available at launch were automatics, but everything else checked out brilliantly. With a starting price of $27,595 for the V6 model, you got a far more sophisticated interior than Chrysler’s LX cars had, and plenty of toys. Power front seats, a Blaupunkt seven-speaker sound system, a remote starter, the sort of stuff that would normally be optional equipment at the time. Want V8 punch? The $32,745 G8 GT didn’t just add a thumping six-liter, it gained a limited-slip differential, dual-zone climate control, an 11-speaker sound system, and six forward ratios to the V6 model’s five. That’s within shooting distance of the Charger for a car that could sprint from zero-to-60 mph in a shade over five seconds, incinerate its rear tires on command, and feel more sophisticated than its rival from Auburn Hills. When Car And Driver pitted a G8 GT against a Charger R/T, the Pontiac won thanks to it being sensational to drive.
Once inside, with the 6.0-liter V-8 strutting its stuff, the G8 seduces the pilot with its grunt, its poise, its eager responses, and the confidence it inspires in decreasing-radius turns with blind entries, or hold-your-breath sweepers, or 100-to-0-mph stops. Like the Charger, the G8’s defining dynamic trait is mild understeer, right up to the limits of adhesion. But the G8’s limits are higher, the steering is more tactile—as well as nicely weighted—and the certainty that goes with high-speed driving on mountain roads is sensational. BMW might do it better, but not by much. And not for this kind of money.
Indeed, what Pontiac had by borrowing Holden’s work wasn’t so much a family muscle sedan, but instead something more like a cut-price 550i. A slice of performance family sedan excellence offering a taste of the sweet life without much of a penalty. The only way to top that would be to offer something like a cut-priced M5. Oh, wait.

Want to know how to elicit maniacal laughter? Take the same excellent bones underneath the G8 GT, throw away the six-liter L76 V8 and 6L80-E automatic transmission, and install a 415-horsepower 6.2-liter LS3 V8 and a Tremec TR-6060 six-speed manual transmission. From there, tune the suspension on the Nürburgring, slap on some big ol’ Brembos, and deliver a $40,060 king hit to German sports sedan royalty. The result was the sensational G8 GXP. We’re talking zero-to-60 mph in around 4.7 seconds, the quarter-mile in the low 13s, and the footwork of a boxer. As Car And Driver wrote:
The steering is lighter and less communicative than the best racks from, say, BMW, but it still manages to instill confidence in hard corners. Placing the nose is easy and reassuring as the compliant suspension soaks up bumps and pitching pavement without disturbing the body, which is well disciplined by the shocks to remain steady. Grip from the conservatively sized tires is unexpectedly good, no squealing or understeer to report; we recorded 0.85 g on the skidpad. Lurid slides of oversteer are only summoned with a heavy right foot, and then easily controlled.
We’re looking at the most powerful stock Pontiac production car ever made, but one with a tragic ending. Only 1,829 of these four-wheeled highlights were made before the G8 GXP, and indeed the entire G8 name, came crashing to a halt.
Timing Is Everything

Remember how the Pontiac G8 launched in 2008? Well, something else happened in 2008, and it led to lots of people having no money. That’s right, GM rolled this South Australian bruiser out just in time for the Great Recession, the firm’s own bankruptcy, and $4-a-gallon gas prices. Oof. As a result, not only did sales fall short of expectations with 15,002 sold in 2008 and 23,157 sold in 2009, but we also lost the entire Pontiac brand and several interesting G8 variants with it.

The one that everyone remembers was the G8 ST, the second coming of the El Camino. It was a Holden Ute SS-V in Pontiac garb, which meant it was mechanically identical to the rubber-burning G8 yet sported a practical bed out back. Unveiled at the 2008 New York Auto Show, it immediately whipped the internet up into a frenzy before being canned just a few months before release. The cancellation of this alone feels like one of GM’s biggest misses, partially because it could’ve resulted in the hilarious spread of bogan culture across the Pacific. The other variant to have been canned was a G8 wagon. Yep, Holden made a Commodore Sportswagon, so why not also badge it as a Pontiac? Well, weak demand for the Dodge Magnum likely played a factor, but at least America eventually ended up with a V8 GM wagon thanks to the unhinged, beguiling Cadillac CTS-V wagon. You know, family car perfection.

By the end of 2009, the writing was on the wall. Pontiac had to go as part of GM’s restructuring plan, and the G8 bowed out after just two model years. While GM tried a U.S.-market Commodore again with the Chevrolet SS years later, it never saw the marketing push of the G8 and thus never achieved the same sales figures.
What Even Is A Hit?

If you’ve been reading this series for a while, you’ll know this is the point in the article where we made a judgment call: Hit or miss? The problem is, how do you quantify a hit? If we just look at sales, the G8 didn’t do spectacularly well, but it did outsell Pontiac’s previous flagship, the Bonneville. At the same time, everything was stacked against this car. The economy, gas prices at the time of its launch, the longevity of its own brand, the lot. While the G8 might not have met its initial sales targets or seen enough volume to warrant production in Oshawa, it outsold its closest spiritual successor, and it was an awesome car.
So yeah, I’d call the Pontiac G8 a hit for those reasons, plus as the final new Pontiac to launch, it really ended things on a high note. Maybe if it had a future, Holden would’ve had a future, but maybe it was just too good for us.
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If they’d decided to bring over the previous model (the VY), GM / Pontiac would have had the choice of 6 body types, all available with v8 or v6
– v8 / v6 sedan
– v8 / v6 wagon
– v8 / v6 wagon in 4wd
– v8 / v6 2 door ute
– v8 / v6 4 door ute
– v8 / v6 4 door ute in 4wd
What a missed branding opportunity! They should have just named it “GR8.”
When I bought my Boss 302, I had a coworker that owned a GXP auto. It kept up surprisingly well, to the point of mildly dampening my enthusiasm for the Boss, as I expected to walk away from him.
What fun cars. This might be hard to believe, but I owned two different 6-speed GXPs over the years. First up was a sport red metallic beauty with under 2,000 miles when I sold it to a guy out in San Diego that did autocross. He had a 90’s ss Impala he used and eventually started using the GXP.
I missed the car a lot and eventually got another one in black from a dealership in Canton Ohio. I eventually solid it to a guy down in North or South Carolina. He did car photography.
What fun times I enjoyed in those cars.
It’s a damn shame that the Aussie cars weren’t globalised in the 90s and ready for the US market well before the ’08 crash. You just gotta wonder whether the local Falcon would have had the same treatment had the Commodore taken off in the US. It should have had its architecture merged with the S197 Mustang! You could have had IRS earlier and turbo Barra Mustangs! Now we have nothing.
I was a muscle car crazed kid graduating high school in ‘08, with a preference for GM and Pontiacs in particular, I could not have been more excited about the G8, especially the GXP. 100% excitement. But then, everything went to crap. The brand was taken out back. So few got built I knew the manuals would likely only ever be in the hands of collectors and out of reach. Soon after I was converted to the church of the cheap sports car so that helped but if the world had gone differently I wonder how that would have played out…
I seem to remember a state or two in the Northeast that wouldn’t register the G8 because the taillights were too small. I test drove one but backed out of the deal because I was getting in over my head. Stupid money.
Holdens are super cool, but something always seems to get the best of GM importing them to the US. This is one of the great “almosts” in GM history, right up there with the Fiero and, heck, the Pontiac division itself.
the problem is that gm makes so much rubbish, that when they make something great, people dont believe it. Or wait. Or reach back into the memory machine and remember when they bought gm rubbish that was supposed to be great and it wasnt. Best to skip them always. You might get lucky 1 of 10 times. With a toy-hon-Sub you ll succeed 10 of 10 times.
I got my 3-pedal SS sedan, so I’m happy! Thanks, Bob.
My dad was seriously cross shopping a lease on these when he got into his M3. I thought he was nuts. They are cool though and you don’t see them. . . ever.
It was too little, too late.
They should’ve started bringing them here as soon as they stopped making the B-Body. That would’ve been a good time to just start making Commodores over here.
GM was also stupid for not giving us the wagon and ute versions. Bring back the El Camino.
When we finally got the Holden-based Caprice, GM actually got ANGRY that someone DARED sell one to a retail customer:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/chevrolet-caprice-ppv-sold-to-the-public-in-dealer-loophole/
I bought a G8 GT new, just over 100k miles now. Been driving it to work this week while getting the rear tire replaced on the Kawasaki. It’s been a good car. “Shrinks around you” as the scribes say, and drives like a smaller car on the backroads. Pretty quick for a car. I see some comments about poor interior but I’ve been happy with mine. My other car when I bought the G8 was a Matrix so maybe my expectations were low. No maintenance issues either.
We also really liked our little ’08 G6 GXP though the torque steer was a like riding a bull. Pontiac was finally giving us interesting performance cars again and then GM pulled the plug.
So tomorrow we are doing a deep dive into the Chevy SS?
Its basically the same brilliant car, 10 years later.
Both of these are the cars that enthusiasts CLAIMED they wanted, but then both sold quite poorly. Damn shame. Both hold their values incredibly well even to this day.
If the SS had come out initially with the manual, the hood vents, and the color choices available at the end of its run, I think it would’ve done much better, but the $50k price tag was a bit of a killer at the time. The ones that really scored got 20% off at the end of its run.
This car is exactly why GM went bankrupt.
Pontiac would send engines, transmissions from Michigan and Ohio to Australia. Australians would put American parts in a Pontiac, then ship G8 back to USA.
V8 G8 GT started at $29,950 in USA, which was way cheaper than V8 Holden in Australia.
G8 GT started at $29,995, not $32,000. I remember ads saying the most HP (361) for below $30,000
I always wanted one of these. The price for a good example used model remains ridiculous.
I traded my 13 year old G8 GXP for Golf GTI with 80,000 miles for $25000.
It was listed next day for $38000. I paid $39,500 for it in 2009
This cars were good ones. But I would like to add that there certainly WERE issues with them, as with any cars.
I will start with the G8. The V6, was well…not good. If it was the one that had bad timing chain issues and oil consumption (which I believe was an issue in Australia and the US, maybe the Middle East too but someone can correct me on this).
The V8s were good. 2007 and 2008 model Caprice/Commodores had a 6.0L V8 without AFM. MY09 and up had AFM.
Which obviously had mixed results, as with the case of the Silverado/Tahoe/Suburban and other products in their lineup.
G8s are prone to lifter failure, as was the Caprice PPV (idling is the biggest problem here- it seems to suffer the same issue as the V8 Dodge Charger cop cars do). Now, I am NOT SURE HOW many units suffered this issue (they sold less number of G8s). This issue is common in Australia as well (though obviously not every car would be affected).
Which means spare parts availability for non engine components is NOT going to be good (it isn’t for the Caprice PPV and the Chevrolet SSalready- for both you need to import parts from Australia, or otherwise).
The Chevrolet SS seems to be prone to different issues- electronics and occasional engine failures. Some under the 200k miles mark. I don’t know whether this issue affected the G8 GXP (probably it did, but very few were sold and the GXP does NOT have AFM as far as I know).
I also don’t know how many Chevrolet SS were sold either.
That said, I DO KNOW some Chevrolet SS sedans have reached close to the 200k mile mark (one had 300k+ miles, but it had an engine replacement at 110k so it does not count). A few G8s and Caprice PPVs have reached that mark as well.
Throwing all the negativity (and not focusing on the issues that I just said), does anyone know if there are examples higher than 200k+ miles recorded across the G8s and Chevrolet SSs, with ORIGINAL ENGINES (nothing touched).
I had a G8. Only brake caliper, control arm bushings, and rear main seal went bad and were fixed under warranty.
EVAP solenoids went out at 70,000 miles.
No issues with power train at all
Good to hear.
Which engine and what model, if I may ask?
And how many miles on it?
Always liked these, and the GTO b4 it. I’m still saddened at Pontiacs unceremonious axing. Might get at GTO as a toy someday, but I’m guessing they are pretty pricey atm.