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The President Won’t Stop Talking About Tiny Japanese Kei Cars

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I usually do the Wordle first thing in the morning, and for fun I take my performance as a sort of sign of how in sync with the universe I am. If I can grab a 2/6 I’m in the zone, but anything worse than a 4/6 portends disharmony. This morning I broke a long streak with the dreaded x/6.

This is all to say that, after looking at today’s big news, I conferred with most of the staff to discuss how I’d approach today’s Morning Dump. The news is dominated by reactions to the President’s policy agenda, and that policy agenda has a huge impact on the automotive market.

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Much of it revolves around two fixations: Very small Japanese cars and a very large European island. What happens next is of no small importance to humanity in general, and I’m somewhat grateful this morning that my remit is to put it primarily in the context of cars and not, say, the Treaty of Westphalia.

Being out of sync, I’m going to take this carefully and slowly, starting with the revelation that President Trump still wants automakers to build Kei cars, then talking about how this whole Greenland business could have major effects on European automakers, before talking about how it’s going to benefit companies building cars in China.

And, since I’m already talking about how strange the world has become, I might as well toss in the fact that Renault is going to start making drones.

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The President Again Asked Ford CEO Point Blank If He Could ‘Sell Kei Cars Here In The U.S.’

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The President surprised everyone, including the assembled representatives of America’s 2.5 major automakers, by announcing that he’d made it legal to build Kei cars here in the United States. He seemed to be talking very specifically about the small Japanese cars that were designed to be cheap, qualify for lower insurance, and could be owned without needing to prove you have a parking spot.

Looking at his statements, the best anyone can gather is that President Trump saw these on his swing through Asia and, facing a huge affordability crisis, wants a VW Beetle-like people’s car that normal people could buy for a small amount of money.

So far as I can tell, it isn’t suddenly easier or more practical to build Kei cars, and no automaker has gone on the record saying that they’re going to do it. The specific regulation changes he or Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy is working on haven’t been announced, and, arguably, it is legal to currently build something like them here.`

While I sort of took the Kei Car thing as a one-off thing said in passing, it’s apparently not, as CEO Jim Farley recently mentioned. This comes via the Detroit Free Press, and it’s a thinker:

He brought it up to Ford’s top executives during his Jan. 13 factory tour at Rouge Center — where Ford makes its full-sized F-150 pickup.

“The president today asked me, ‘Can you sell kei cars here in the U.S.?’ ” Farley told the media on the sidelines of the Detroit Auto Show the evening of Jan. 13. “I think that’s exciting. That’s fun to talk about the possibilities.”

A reporter quickly followed up, asking Farley how he replied to Trump’s question.

Farley paused and then said: “I worked at the Scion brand and brought that into the country and I loved that little car. But we’ll continue to look at the market. Affordability is a priority for us. But frankly a small minivan for six people in the U.S., I’m not sure that will be a high ticket.”

There’s a lot to unpack here, because when enthusiasts hear “Kei” car, we imagine a Daihatsu Copen or a Honda Acty truck. What Farley is alluding to is something like a microvan, more in the mold of a Suzuki Every Plus. Technically, most of these 6- or 7-passenger tiny vans are not really Kei, but that’s a difference most people don’t recognize, as many of these are extended versions of Kei platforms.

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Ford, actually, made one of these! The company’s Taiwan JV sold a version of the Suzuki Carry ST80 rebadged as the Ford Pronto for a few years (see the image at the top of this post). Based on what Farley said, that’s what President Trump is imagining.

I don’t know that there’s a market here for that, nor do I know that an American car company could find enough margin to build one of those here, but I kind of love the idea. This is not a conversation I’d ever imagine we’d be having as a car community. I’m highly skeptical this will come to be, though I’m tickled by the idea because I think it would be cool.

I also think Slate should just shift to building something like a six-passenger version of its platform.

The EU And US Trade Deal May Be Kaput

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Source: Ineos

Speaking of Taiwan, that’s usually the island of massive geopolitical importance in the news because its geographically proximate neighbor seems to desperately want it even while the rest of the world and a majority of its own inhabitants are like “nooooooo, stop that.”

Now, it’s Greenland. Whether you believe the country is of such ginormous strategic importance that it’s worth buying or invading, or you think this is because President Trump is upset that he didn’t get a Nobel Peace Prize, is important, but the actual reasoning isn’t as relevant if you’re a European carmaker as the huge disruption it’s going to cause.

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If you’re a European carmaker, you’re saying “noooooo, stop that” to anyone who will listen. The EU and the United States tentatively have a new trade deal, and that trade deal would allow various brands to sell European-built cars on this side of the Atlantic with only a 15% import duty.

The President is now threatening to throw all of that out the window, according to Bloomberg:

Over the weekend, Trump blindsided a number of European countries, including Germany and France, with a plan to slap additional duties of 10% on imports from February, rising to 25% in June. German manufacturers rely on the US as a major source of sales and profits, and import models such as Mercedes’ S-Class to the country.

The carmakers are already under pressure from Trump’s tariffs, currently set at 15% for most vehicles and parts imported from the European Union. The US president roiled auto markets last year with extra duties that rose from around 2.5%, triggering profit warnings across the sector.

It’s pretty obvious why this would harm automakers building cars in Europe and selling them in the U.S., but this gets worse if you consider that European automakers could also impose duties on American-built cars going to Europe, which are mostly European luxury SUVs and crossovers from Mercedes, BMW, and Volvo.

The European Parliament is reportedly stopping work on the trade deal, and some European leaders are instead threatening to use something called the “trade bazooka” on the United States.

Here’s CNBC‘s explanation of that:

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Regional diplomats held an emergency meeting in Brussels on Sunday afternoon to discuss their response to Trump’s threat to escalate tariffs, with France reportedly pushing for the EU to use its strongest economic counter-threat to the U.S., known as the “Anti-Coercion Instrument” (ACI).

The much-vaunted instrument is seen as a nuclear option when it comes to economic counter-measures as it could see the EU restrict U.S. suppliers’ access to the EU market, excluding them from participation in public tenders in the bloc, as well as putting export and import restrictions on goods and services and putting potential limits on foreign direct investment in the region.

The lack of a trade deal could effectively kill an automaker like Ineos, which builds its cars in France, and a tariff on imports of American-built cars would make life for various European carmakers even worse. For now, the EU threat seems to be to re-implement suspended retaliatory measures, which impact targeted products like “bourbon, certain textile products, specific steel and aluminum products, motorbikes and boats.” Wisely, the EU kept cars out of this deal, as it would mostly harm them.

If the logic of politics is to keep your friends close and your enemies closer, then perhaps this move is designed to get even closer to other NATO nations by making them enemies?

All Of This Is Leading To A 50% Drop In The Price Of The Lotus Eletre

Lotus Eletre 6
Photo: Lotus Eletre

Just so you don’t think that only President Trump has used tariffs for political reasons, President Biden also put a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs during his term. I wrote that this specifically hurt Lotus, which planned to sell a bunch of Chinese-built EVs in the United States.

Canada has historically maintained a similar posture with regard to tariffs on Chinese-built cars, but the recent moves from the White House have led to the Canadian government allowing a growing number of imports.

While this might be good for Chinese brands, it’s maybe even better news for American and European brands that build cars in China but already have brands in Canada, as Bloomberg reports:

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At the top end of the market, the agreement has been welcomed by Geely-controlled sports car brand Lotus. Its Eletre sport utility vehicle, which starts at C$313,500 ($225,600), is one of the few luxury China-made EVs to have entered the region. The brand said in a statement it expects the selling price will drop by about 50% with the new tariff rate.

Polestar, another big name in Chinese billionaire Li Shufu’s Geely empire, has been particularly hard hit by the US and Canada’s imposition of hefty tariffs. After the US raised its duties, the company pivoted its focus to the Polestar 3, which is made in its factory in South Carolina, and the Polestar 4, produced in a contract manufacturing deal with a Geely and Renault SA joint venture in South Korea.

Polestar, Lotus, Volvo, and Tesla could all be winners here, which is a strange twist.

Renault To Make Drones

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Meme via OSINTtechnical

It’s not uncommon in times of war for automakers to be turned into the producers of various armaments and weapons. With a war going on in Ukraine, the French government has made a deal with Renault and defense company Turgis Gaillard to build drones for that nation’s military:

Here’s the Financial Times on what’s been announced so far:

Renault said it would work with Turgis Gaillard to produce drones at two of its sites but declined to comment on the value of the contract or the number of drones to be produced.

“We were contacted for our production and creative industrial expertise. This project is ongoing and is led by the defence ministry. We confirm our participation in this project, at the request of the state,” Renault director Fabrice Cambolive told broadcaster BFM Business on Tuesday.

It’s not yet known if these will be weaponized or surveillance drones, although it looks like many of them will be built in the company’s Le Mans facility.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

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Peter Frampton’s “Frampton Comes Alive!” is now 50 years old. This is the whole album in YouTube form, and it’s worth sticking around for the big finale (if you ruin it, he’s going to be pissed off!).

The Big Question

What would an affordable six-passenger minivan for Americans look like?

Top photo: Suzuki, Ford, DepositPhotos.com

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Kevin Cheung
Kevin Cheung
2 hours ago

GM actually has a modern 5/7-seater compact MPV that just went out of production – the Chinese market Chevy Orlando. 1.4 turbo and you can even option it with a six speed manual! Same platform as the Buick Envision too, parts and servicing wouldn’t be an issue. Handsome looking car too.

Alter_Id
Alter_Id
2 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin Cheung

The first-generation Orlando was sold globally – even in Canada for a couple of years. It had hinged rear doors rather than sliders and I suspect I would have preferred a Mazda 5 anyway (loved my first-gen Mazda 3 and occasionally wondered what it would have been like if I’d chosen the 5 on the lot instead.)

Scott
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Scott
1 hour ago
Reply to  Alter_Id

I drove and liked the Mazda 5. It wasn’t as chuckable and willing as the 3, but still nice to drive for what it was. The odds of finding a minty one now for less than insane BaT money are almost nil. 🙁

VS 57
VS 57
2 hours ago

Very hard pass on the Frampton, heard it WAY too much the first time around.

Toomanyfumes
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Toomanyfumes
1 hour ago
Reply to  VS 57

Was constantly on the radio. “Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Waaaaaah Wah!

V10omous
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V10omous
2 hours ago

What would an affordable six-passenger minivan for Americans look like?

It would look an awful lot like a Dodge Journey, or would need to in order to sell.

Space for the money is among the top criteria for American car buyers. A shrunken kei-style van would appeal to niche folks and very few others.

Kasey
Kasey
2 hours ago
Reply to  V10omous

Yep, was just about to comment something similar.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
1 hour ago
Reply to  V10omous

While I think Americans would be willing to go for something a little smaller than the Journey for the right price, you’re right that kei-sized vehicles don’t have a prayer here. I mean, maybe before we start making sub-sub-compact cars for this market, we could start with a regular compact or subcompact? Or maybe even start with what would essentially be a Journey?

JDE
JDE
2 hours ago

I approve of the Kei Car as long as we get a new Smart roadster and the AutoZam AZ-1. Modernized and perhaps the max CC raised to 1000.

Jsfauxtaug
Jsfauxtaug
2 hours ago

TBQ: Resurrection of the Ford Transit Connect, but on a Fiesta platform?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 hours ago

I’m going to assume either Ron Lauder or Peter Navarro is a secret JDM kei enthusiast, because they seem to be the only people the president listens to on anything

Ben
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Ben
2 hours ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Little did we know Peter Thiel could have been mollified with more kei car coverage on The Old Site.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ben

Peter Theil’s PA in LA was assigned a SMART car for his business errands.
Ask me how I know this.

Ben
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Ben
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I think we need an Exhaust Leaks post about this. 😉

Scott
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Scott
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Was it you UR?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Scott

Oh hell no – it wasn’t me.

A few years back I was in the service line at Beverly Hills Mercedes-Benz for my appointment – and a SMART car pulled in behind me being piloted by a reasonably attractive, but meek-appearing young man (No – Not JD) and he was waiting to see my service writer after me.

When I was in the office, my service writer told me that’s who the guy behind me was – as he was frequently down there since part of his duties was to bring all Peter’s Mercedes’ down for servicing, and the SMART was for the PA’s errands.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Urban Runabout
Vanagan
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Vanagan
2 hours ago

I’ll bet he likes talking about Kei cars because they are recognizable as just large golf carts. When you spend as much time golfing and thinking about golfing like him, a nicer golf cart is probably something that floats to the top of the mind. So of course he would love to see nicer golf carts on his courses. Kei cars = nicer, bigger, golf carts

VS 57
VS 57
2 hours ago
Reply to  Vanagan

As we have learned, he’s all about the fastest golf cart.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
2 hours ago

Given who is gonna be left to trade with, I think a cheap 6 passenger van in the US is gonna look like a Bukhanka.

Loaves of bread for the the people!

Meanwhile, I’ll be zipping around in a cheap imported Chinese EV.

Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
1 hour ago

Okay but I unironically want a Bukhanka. Who do I need to vote for to allow me to import and plate one

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago

See: Bukhanka
Read: Bukkake

Might need new glasses…

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
37 minutes ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Especially after the latter!

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
36 minutes ago

Agent Krasnov has you covered already.

If you’re in Canada, like me, import whatever you want! We only have a 15 year rule. Not 25.

M. Park Hunter
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M. Park Hunter
2 hours ago

“The President Won’t Stop Talking” – FIFY

Many many many words come out of the presidential pie hole. A few of them are true. A handful aren’t even words. I wouldn’t count on getting Kei cars, or Greenland. But we’re going to piss off a bunch of folks we used to be friends with. Moron.

I miss Sleepy Joe, where I could ignore the news for weeks at a time and the world still functioned fairly well.

Scott
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Scott
1 hour ago
Reply to  M. Park Hunter

ANY competent President, from ANY party, is doing their job well when we don’t hear about or from them for weeks at a time.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 hour ago
Reply to  Scott

or have to think about them. Thats always been my mark of competence.

Bags
Bags
53 minutes ago
Reply to  Scott

I’m going to be honest – I didn’t know a lot about Kamala and I suspect most people were in the same boat. I do think it was an oversight of the administration not to make her more publicly facing when there was a chance of her becoming the Democratic nominee (even if Biden didn’t bow out, she’d probably have been there in 2028). But that’s the norm, right? We didn’t hear a lot about Pence either (just enough to know he was evil, but like in an old school GOP evil kind of way) and we didn’t know what Biden was doing before that. If they are doing their job we shouldn’t see them tweeting (mostly racist) shit 5 times a day.

TriangleRAD
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TriangleRAD
2 hours ago

If Trump can just “make kei cars legal” what are we even paying Congress for? Are the 3 branches just a trunk now?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 hours ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Congress gave the USDOT very wide leeway in writing automotive regulations, the vast majority of what’s in the FMVSS right now was never passed by Congress. Its an executive branch agency with regulatory power that has the force of law

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2 hours ago

I actually think The Bishop had it right, a for a Kei vehicle to do any volume in the US it will end up being closer to a street legal SxS or UTV than it is to just being a small car.

Rippstik
Rippstik
2 hours ago

A modern Mazda5 would be awesome. Name it the Bongo Friendee…for reasons.

Also, a stretched 3 row Ford Maverick would be neat.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Rippstik
Kevin Cheung
Kevin Cheung
2 hours ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Just finished a two week Japan road trip in a friend’s manual diesel 4×4 Mazda Bongo Brawny, and I have to say that Bongo Brawny is a fantastic name for a van.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
1 hour ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Hell even a modern MVP would be awesome. We don’t even have a van that size anymore, much less a Mazda5.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
2 hours ago

President Trump…wants a VW Beetle-like people’s car that normal people could buy for a small amount of money.

Kinda like a kei DF wagon?

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
2 hours ago

I think the biggest problem with having kei vehicles in the US is just that the US isn’t designed for them (or more appropriately they are not designed for the US). I love kei vehicles, I get a kick out of every one I see around here, but I wouldn’t want my kids to drive one, and considering that every other vehichle where I live is a giant Child Crusher 3000 fuck you truck, I wouldn’t feel safe driving one either.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 hour ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

I feel like some of that is the point with him. He probably thinks not everyone deserves safety if they can’t afford it. He probably isn’t aware Keis aren’t necessarily great at American wide open highway speeds, but if he was he’d probably also think that was good as it would keep the poors less mobile.

ChefCJ
ChefCJ
1 hour ago

I think he’s just looking for his Beetle

Bags
Bags
43 minutes ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

It already exists. He rolled it out on the white house lawn and gave his little spiel about it like Elon paid him to.

Waremon0
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Waremon0
12 minutes ago
Reply to  ChefCJ

I already feel exposed enough in a Honda Fit and it is much bigger than a kei car. I’m not even sure I’d be able to safely merge on my commute with a smaller car. I have to floor it as is and there’s still been a few times where I didn’t quite make it.

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
2 hours ago

The ICI absolutely needs to be invoked, and Farly is a boot licker.. hot takes for today.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
2 hours ago

ICI? That anything like the 25th Amendment?

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
1 hour ago
Reply to  Gubbin

25th Amendment truly appropriate for dementia-addled presidents.

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
2 hours ago

ACI oops

SAABstory
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SAABstory
3 hours ago

Now Trump has the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) against him. Countdown until somehow Trump’s vehicles can’t get registered.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
2 hours ago
Reply to  SAABstory

OK, but if he starts pissing off his base of dealership owners, he’s toast.

NC Miata NA
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NC Miata NA
2 hours ago
Reply to  SAABstory

Now someone tell Trump the AAMVA is a bunch of liberal, kei-hating socialists that support Greenland because of Obama and let the incompetent fury reign down on them.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
3 hours ago

Maaaybe, just maybe, if GM moved production of the Trax to the US, stretched the wheelbase by a foot, and plunked a van-like body on it, it would sell.

Stryker_T
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Stryker_T
3 hours ago

it’s so awesome that terrible people keep letting the spoiled baby get away with all of his idiotic butt-hurt pettiness.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
2 hours ago
Reply to  Stryker_T

I’m going with the theory that the Joint Chiefs said “no, Mister President” so now he’s throwing the bestest toddler tantrum EVAR.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 hours ago
Reply to  Gubbin

I’ve had a theory that they keep dangling other countries for him to attack in front of him to try and distract him away from Greenland and Denmark (Mr. President, how about Venezuela? We could hit Iran. How about we do something to Cuba?)

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

*sound of jingling keys*

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
3 hours ago

Rebirth of the Mazda5 would be the smallest profitable 6 passenger minivan that could exist here I think. And I would love to see more cars in that segment!

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 hours ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

I’ve got family car shopping right now and that was the first thing I suggested for them, but they were bored by it which was devastating. It’s such a great car.

AllCattleNoHat
AllCattleNoHat
20 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Any one of us could have bought a Mazda 5, either new or used. Still can buy one used for that matter. But how many of us actually DID buy one or are actively looking for one? Yeah, exactly…

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
3 hours ago

What would an affordable six-passenger minivan for Americans look like?

A 1986 Plymouth Voyager

James Colangelo
James Colangelo
2 hours ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

Yes please

Timbales
Timbales
3 hours ago

What would an affordable six-passenger minivan for Americans look like?

Lot’s of cheap looking hard plastics, no heat or air vents for anyone past the first row, cheap feeling upholstery, and the bare minimum of features.

Fjord
Fjord
2 hours ago
Reply to  Timbales

Sign me up!

Timbales
Timbales
59 minutes ago
Reply to  Fjord

It is refreshingly honest when someone says “I need to be able to haul 5 other people regularly, but I could not care less about their comfort.”

Gen3 Volt
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Gen3 Volt
2 hours ago
Reply to  Timbales

However DID we survive all those… centuries?

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 hours ago

There’s a market for small cars in the US but not enough to support certification to our similar-but-different safety and emissions standards let alone domestic manufacture.
Ideally we’d accede to UNECE standards or at least allow them as an alternative certification and the next administration can sweep away tariffs, even if protective ones on larger vehicles stay in place.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Nlpnt
Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 hours ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Bringing back some environmental, efficiency and safety regulations would increase the size of the small car market, by finally making it punitive for needlessly owning a large vehicle.

Ben
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Ben
2 hours ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

Safety regulations are a big part of what killed the small car market. It’s harder to make a small car pass crash tests and it raises the cost floor, which means there’s less room for profit.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ben

Really?

Then how do small cars like the Honda Jazz/Fit, Mini Cooper, Renault Clio, BYD Dolphin, GWM Ora 03, Skoda Fabia and VW Polo get five-star NCAP scores?

Ben
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Ben
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I didn’t say it was impossible, just that it made it economically unviable in the US. Note how only one of those vehicles is still sold in the US, and it’s nowhere near kei size.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Ben

Small cars are not economically viable in the US due to safety regulations – otherwise they wouldn’t sell in Europe, Asia, Central and South America.

Its due to longstanding US policy which heavily subsidizes oil with our tax dollars, keeping prices low at the pumps – plus favorable business tax depreciation laws for vehicles over 6500 GVWR, which makes it easy for the US populace to justify purchasing larger and more powerful vehicles than necessary.

A gallon of fuel in the US costs the same or less than a liter of fuel in other countries – plus road taxes on larger displacement engines in other countries has zero equivalence here – making larger vehicles an easy buy in the US.

The US car market just follows the money.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Urban Runabout
Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

All rules and regulations that lead to waste and need a good change.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 hour ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

*are not not economically viable*

Damned double negative always gets me.

4jim
4jim
3 hours ago

What would an affordable six-passenger minivan for Americans look like?

Mazda5.

I miss the Mazda5.

Last edited 3 hours ago by 4jim
Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
3 hours ago
Reply to  4jim

I miss our 2010 5 speed. It carted our family of 5 around for many years and was fun to drive. Rust killed it. I donated it a few months back and got a receipt saying it fetched less than $500. Sounds about right.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
3 hours ago

The PedoFelon just can’t get his mind off little things.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
2 hours ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

This is perfect and no way would they make it COTD, but it should be.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
3 hours ago

The President Won’t Stop Talking
Fixed the headline for you

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 hours ago

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