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The Rare ‘Touring Sedan’ Was Ford’s Attempt To Make A European-Style Crown Victoria

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We all have a vision in mind when we hear “Ford Panther Platform.” Typically, it involves a car driven by a Matlock-watching old person to bingo, or a yellow thing you’d ride in to the Upper East Side, or worst of all, a car with red and blue lights on the roof behind you as you dig for your registration.

It’s hard to believe, but when the radically redesigned Panther platform debuted in 1992, Ford seems to have wanted to take its large sedan in a more sporting direction as a European-themed design. The Crown Victoria Touring Sedan was an experiment that failed in a number of ways, but it’s an interesting glimpse of what could have been that we’ll revisit for today’s Ford Friday.

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Downsized, Not Shrunken

I could be wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Lee Iacocca and colleague Hal Sperlich absolutely despised the Panther platform. I mean, they must have hated it with a passion. At least, I wouldn’t blame them if they did. Here’s a car that was a perpetual bone in Lido’s throat, and it’s a product that would go on to almost outlive Iacocca himself.

You see, in the early seventies, it was obvious to Ford that the gas crunch meant its cars needed to get much smaller and become more efficient. Internally at the soon-to-be-demolished Glass House, there were two different directions being taken on how to meet the challenge of replacing the massive full-sized Fords that, by 1978, would be marketed as having “road hugging weight” as a way to put a positive spin on their embarrassing mass.

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According to the David Halberstam book The Reckoning, Lee and Hal’s proposal was an advanced front-wheel-drive platform that could be built in different wheelbases to create everything from small to mid-sized cars all the way up to a new generation of full-sized products. The other possible direction was to simply downsize the existing rear-drive platforms, which would remain rather sizeable. This second direction was the one favored by a guy who completely hated small cars, seeing them as unprofitable products that were not the “fine cars” he wanted to sell. Who was this seemingly backward-thinking guy? Oh, just the guy with his last name on the building.

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Henry Ford II couldn’t stand the whole front-drive, dramatically-smaller approach that Iacocca and Sperlich were championing. He also hated Iacocca and Sperlich personally, and would very soon show them both the door, inadvertently sending them to Chrysler where they would bring the whole front-drive platform thing to life as the venerable K-Car. Ford II’s favored solution moved forward, and the partially downsized “Panther” full-size Ford LTD was released in late 1978, right into the heart of the second energy crisis where it initially landed with a thud. This must have warmed Lee and Hal’s hearts to no end, but sadly for them, that wasn’t the end of it. Not by a long shot.

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The Panther was about two feet shorter than the gargantuan outgoing Ford full-sizers and weighed about 1000 pounds less. Despite this, it offered significantly more interior and trunk space. Even better, fuel economy was far higher than before, with 16 MPG city and 22 highway, an improvement of four miles per gallon or so compared to the outgoing dinosaur. Further, driving the new car was a far more manageable experience, and its smaller size allegedly revealed an additional ten full feet of road ahead of the car that the old full-size design obscured.

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As the eighties began, fuel prices slowly started to drop. Buyers began to see the benefits of the Panther cars, and sales increased to the point that Ford backed out of their initial plans to cancel the “big” platform after 1983 (and required them to name it the “LTD Crown Victoria” against the new Fox-bodied LTD). Meanwhile, Iacocca and Sperlich’s Chrysler was offering much smaller “full-sized” cars such as the Dodge 600 and Chrysler “E Class” that offered a little better fuel economy but not enough to justify putting up with their smaller interior space and buzzy little 2.2-liter four cylinder enginess. As “Hank” Ford predicted, these overly-shrunken cars were totally out of step with what traditional US buyers wanted.

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This thing is pure 1979 inside, like some odd kind of restomod in the time of Nirvana. Images: Ford

Still, I seriously doubt that even Mr. Ford could have imagined that the big Fords would continue relatively unchanged for nearly a dozen years. It’s rather hard to believe that the car in the image above was a brand-new 1991 offering from the company that was, at the time, making the Taurus and T-Bird Super Coupe.

Stranger still, the car marked for discontinuation nearly a decade before was now getting a second life that would end up dwarfing the first.

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Slick Vick

When car enthusiasts first saw pictures of the new-for-1992 Crown Victoria, we were all rather shocked. The outgoing model was one of those designs you could make a model of using wood blocks and still have it be recognizable. The new car, however, looked a bit like the still-somewhat-radical-at-the-time Taurus, just stretched into pleasingly longer and lower proportions. The Crown Victoria didn’t even have a radiator grille, something that big luxury Fords had sported since, well, forever.

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While later Crown Vics shared a blocky roof and thick C-pillars from the Mercury Grand Marquis variant, I’d forgotten that the first aero big Fords had a rounded and very glassy greenhouse that lightened the overall look. “If you squint it looks like a Jag-wire!” Maybe not, but it’s a surprisingly handsome car. At least it didn’t end up looking like a beluga whale, as the new “Shamu” 1991 Chevy Caprice competitor did.

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The chassis was massaged from the 1979-91 models, even featuring the magic of four-wheel disc brakes. The biggest change, however, was under the hood: the ancient 302 (or “five point oh”) motor was gone, replaced by a forty-pounds-lighter 4.6 liter “modular” V8 with an aluminum block and overhead cams. Again, if you were alive then, the idea of a big Ford cop car-style vehicle with engine specs that seemed similar to the concurrent S-Class Benz was unthinkable (reportedly, Ford did look at the design of the Mercedes engine for inspiration). Other tricks included accessories mounted right to the engine block, eliminating brackets that added weight and vibrations.

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With such an advanced new design, Ford seemed to be getting quite ambitious with what was once a typical fire marshal’s car. Ford even had brief plans to make it much more than the old ladies’ bingo transportation it had become.

“Touring” Did Not Include Tail Of The Dragon

Ever since World War II, a top-of-the-line big Ford sedan meant one with extra heaps of chrome, white wall tires, and usually some kind of padded vinyl contraption glued to the roof. You can understand the shock from the public when Ford introduced the Crown Victoria Touring Sedan as a performance-oriented flagship of the line. Where was the freaking Brougham or Ghia model?

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Forget the opera windows: the Touring Sedan was only available in special two-tone paint schemes with painted alloy wheels in a style that mimicked some Mercedes of the time (but in a way more convincing way than the Granada did in the seventies). The most un-LTD specification of the Touring Sedan was under the skin; the chassis featured heavier-duty suspension components from the police package, and the dual-exhaust 210-horsepower version of the modular V8. I’ve got the video below set to the Touring Sedan, but I can just feel that you’re going to look at Papa John’s review of the whole 1992 Ford lineup:

Wider 225/70-15 tires were standard, but could opt your Touring Sedan out with speed-sensitive steering and larger-diameter sway bars. Note that the for-sale example shown here seems to have wider Lincoln wheels replacing the stock ones. You forget how nice-looking this first 1992 Crown Vic really was with that roofline and well-resolved trim.

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Naturally, a Panther chassis is still a Panther chassis; you were never going to challenge a 7-series BMW. A zero to sixty time of just under ten seconds wasn’t horrible for the time, though a Road & Track review said that the quicker speed-sensitive steering was still too light at any speed. Naturally, they thought the firmer suspension of the Touring Sedan was still too soft for their tastes and dull in response.

Touring Sedans received their own special leather interior trim. While a huge improvement over the button-tufted land yachts from years past, the sofa-like seats provided no lateral support in turns.

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At least the slab-like dash had all the instruments you’d want except for a tach, but you couldn’t help but wonder exactly who this car was supposed to be for anyway. It was too cushy for people who wanted anything even remotely European-sporty yet too austere for typical prairie schooner buyers.

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Ultimately, the Touring Sedan model lasted only a year. You could still get most of the engine and suspension upgrades in a separate package, but the Crown Vic quickly went off in the trajectory of Fleet and Florida retiree owners. Even the grille-free front end was almost immediately abandoned for a more traditional (and fake) chrome radiator opening. I shudder to think how many unsold Touring Sedans ended up with glued-on fake convertible “carriage roofs” to make them sellable to old people.

Back To The Livery And Police Force With You, Vicky

The concept of a “performance” Panther wasn’t totally done. To counter the vaunted Impala SS of the mid-nineties, Ford eventually released the Mercury Marauder edition of the Grand Marquis. This limited edition got the tachometer, floor shifter, bucket seats, and more aggressive suspension tuning that the Touring Sedan really needed, but it was a much different car conceptually than that 1992 car. The Marauder was really meant to be a muscle car revival piece, not the Black Forest cruiser that the Touring Sedan made a pale attempt at being.

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Hank The Deuce didn’t see his Panther get a new lease on life, having passed away in 1987. He certainly wasn’t around to see his downsized “fine car” eventually cease production in 2011, a move that caused a number of fleet buyers to stockpile final examples (a big chunk of which got destroyed in Hurricane Sandy).

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With the many variations of the Crown Victoria having had such a long and successful run over nearly two decades, nobody’s really going to cry for the failed Touring Sedan version of the Panther. Somehow, though, I just can’t help but wonder about the potential it briefly showed for a slick-looking American mile eater with some sense of road manners.

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John Cosmo
John Cosmo
1 month ago

You can certainly see the Taurus styling influence in the grill-less front and roof-line. I strongly suspect that Ford was also influenced by the introduction of the ’89 Infiniti Q45 which was also grill-less and which had a similar roof-line. Apparently these Crown Victorias didn’t sell as well as Ford had hoped, and they decided that the car needed a grill and so that was added to the 1993 and later models. I really thought that the Touring sedan came with bucket seats and a center console, but I guess I was wrong. Still, it was an attractive car and I’m sad it didn’t sell better.

Yeah, the Marauder, which didn’t come out until the 2003 model year, did have bucket seats and a center console, as well as the hotter Mustang version of the 4.6 liter V8 engine. There were plans afoot to introduce a sporty Crown Victoria version of the Marauder, but they were cancelled because the Marauder, like the earlier Crown Victoria Touring before it, also didn’t sell terrible well and was cancelled after only a couple of year on the market,

Funny, but after the Marauder went away, Chrysler came out with their rear wheel-drive Hemi V8-powered 300C for the 2005 model year, which was sporty and actually sold quite well for quite a few years before it was discontinued after the 2023 model year.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

Hadn’t heard of this variant! Neat! Also, have you seen Marauder prices lately? They’re nuts!

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
1 month ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

I feel like contemporary Mustangs are going up too. Who would’ve thought that New Edge Mustangs would appreciate in value!

It’s my fault, because I started looking for one.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago
Reply to  FndrStrat06

Always how it goes!

Ariel E Jones
Ariel E Jones
1 month ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

I remember watching a video on TFL on YT where the guy had unknowingly bought the “sporty” Crown Victoria (maybe it was the Marquee, either way dont laugh). I had no idea Ford had done sort of a mid range between your standard grandpa land yacht and the Marauder. If I remember the V8 got a few horses and the suspension got a bit of a tune. He said it was actually a nice difference.

Mya Byrne
Mya Byrne
1 month ago

the blacked out Vicky of this era that was in Michael Mann’s Heat – Pacino’s hero car – is my favorite

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago

The reality is that the only special things about the Touring Sedan were the badges on the fenders, the two tone paint and the perforations on the leather steering wheel wrap. The HPP (Handling and Performance Package) option, included as part of the Touring Sedan package, existed prior to the introduction of the Touring Sedan and continued long after it went away.

HPP included the dual exhaust, unique front spring rates/ride height, unique rear air springs, and front sway bar; they were not the police units. The speed sensitive steering programing was also unique

That said I would have loved to have the blue with blue interior one that I used to see back in the day in my area, but was happy with my Black Cherry LX HPP.

Unfortunately only the 4v (Marauder) Panthers got an aluminum block.

The 6 window is the best roof of all the Panthers and was disappointed when they started using the Grand Marquis shell. The Aero nose is the best which is why all of my 6 windows were 92s and why I still have one stashed.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago
Reply to  Scoutdude

Back in my day I remember them having rear seats made of fiberglass and reeking of urine, with mesh separating the front cabin. Ah… street racing…

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  ADDvanced

I was fortunate enough to have only gotten a ride in the rear seat of one of the police package ones while I was videotaping a story about police pursuit training at Nelson Ledges for WJW-TV 8/Cleveland. I was sliding side to side in the back of that thing.

A fun day. The instructor, in a Beluga Chevy Caprice wagon whipped all of their butts. Sadly, I don’t remember his name, but he let me take a lap in the Caprice and he was egging me on in corners.

I drive a ’17 Accord now and I want to find an event where I can find its limits in a safe environment.

ADDvanced
ADDvanced
1 month ago

Any autocross event will let you do that, go sign up! Just make sure you’ve done all your maintenance first. If you get addicted, instead of dumping money into the accord, highly suggest a super lightweight honda like CRX/Civic/Integra from the golden era of 88-99 or so. Less mass = less wear = less consumables = less cost. I know quite a few high powered Audi guys who quit tracking their Audis and instead run CRXs as a set of pads and tires will last a whole season instead of one event.

Alpinab7
Alpinab7
1 month ago

I was 15 in 1985. I am still so tired with the “euro” anything from American manufacturers. I’ve owned about 55 cars, 2 of them Chevy/GMC K2500s and the rest European. I have been in just about every mainstream American and Japanese car from the mid 60s to now. To the big three, “Euro” doesn’t mean what you think it means. Whacky headlights, 10mm wider tires, a split bench seat, doesn’t make it “euro” or anything close to euro. It’s always been such a weird thing to aspire to when you don’t even know what it means. Do what you do and do it well. Euro isn’t for everyone here. That’s ok. But a red stripe on the door rub strip doesn’t make a Celebrity an BMW 535i.

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Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpinab7

55 cars, in about 40 years. That’s impressive. Or something else. I’ve owned some mildly odd ones. A Datsun 510 station wagon. A Peugeot 504.A BMW Bavaria. A Saab 9000 turbo. A VW Jetta TDI. I would love to see a list of what all you have owned, and the reasons they went away. Showing my cards, I had an ’86 Accord and now drive a ’17 Accord amidst that small list compared to yours.

Alpinab7
Alpinab7
1 month ago

I must be getting old. My estimate is over. It has been 40 cars that I can remember. There might be a couple more that I missed. I have 5 cars right now. Some I bought and fixed and sold on after a few months, some I had for a while. Others not so much. I often had a couple or a few at once. If I had more space I would have more cars. My wife will kill me if I ever get a warehouse space.

1967 Austin Healy sprite
1976 VW rabbit
1978 VW rabbit diesel
1973 alfa spider 2000
1971 alfa spider 1750
1971 alfa spider 1750(#2)
1984 Bmw 528e
1988 BMW 535i
1973 Volvo 145s sportwagon
1984? Volvo 245 turbo wagon
1990 Volvo 240
1980 Saab 99
1985 SAAB 900 turbo
1985 Saab 900 spg turbo
1991 535i
1993 525i
1988 M5
1993 M5
1993 RR LWB
1993 RR LWB (#2)
1995 RR 25th
1998 GMC Sierra
2000 k2500
1984 rabbit diesel
1983 533i
19xx Toyota T100
1985 325e
1991 325i
2003 325xi
2000 excursion
1989 Audi 200tq
1991 Audi 200tq 20v
1995 Audi s6
2003 Audi Rs6
2013 Audi s8
1985 Bmw 635csi euro
1985 Alpina B7 turbo coupe
2017 BMW X3
1996 Camaro (inherited)
2005 Buick (inherited)
200? F150 (inherited)

Last edited 1 month ago by Alpinab7
Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpinab7

That’s quite a list!

Alpinab7
Alpinab7
1 month ago

And I love the SAAB 9000 and Bavaria. I test drove a Bavaria when I was 17. It was $650 if I remember correctly. I couldn’t afford it. My wealthy uncle bought new Mercedes every year. He got an early 9000 turbo and said he loved it so much that he would only buy a SAABs from then on. 6 months later he was back in an S-Class and never owned another SAAB. It was a great car, I thought.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
1 month ago

Are we sure these had aluminum blocks? I know that the 4V 4.6 in the Mark VIII was all-aluminum. The only other 2v aluminum block motors I think were in the 2002-? Explorers, and the 4.6 (not 5.4) in the Expeditions of the same era.

I think all 2v mod motors before 2002 were iron. Of course all mod motors had aluminum heads though.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago

I’ve always liked the front end of the 98+ reskin better b/c the larger headlights; they provide better visual balance. The slimmer ones on this gen make the car look more porky IMO.

Also, the 5-spoke wheels you could get on the 98+ seem more appropriately sporty for the body style, even though these do look more Euro.

Mikey66
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Mikey66
1 month ago

I was always a fan of the LX Sport and the Marauder. Would be a nice cruiser as I enter my golden years.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Mikey66

Same. The LX was my choice for it’s more understated styling – the (fake) chrome wheels on the Marauder aren’t my thing…I’m the guy who liked the base alloys on the last gen T-bird way more than the optional chrome ones everyone got.

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Matthew C
Matthew C
1 month ago

We had them as cruisers back in the early 2000’s. These were tough and durable. However the interior space is smaller than you think. I’m not a big
guy but feel the ergonomics highlight the ancient underpinnings.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Matthew C

And to think it had more interior space than the behemoth that preceded it!

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Matthew C

The packaging always seemed compromised vs the cavernous B-bodies. I always interpreted it as an indication of how reluctant Ford was to even downsize at all and the smaller budget and shorter time frame they were given to work with once Henry II grudgingly gave the go ahead

Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford
1 month ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Have had an expedition and currently a town car, but prefer how the town car drives as it drives more “old school” with modern components

Matthew C
Matthew C
1 month ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I left before the Explorers /Expeditions replaced them . However during my time ,(early 2000s) we had Impalas as well. I enjoyed the ergonomics of that car more. More usable space and generally more comfortable. I could only imagine that modern Explorers /Expeditions would offer vastly improved comfort

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 month ago

That generation of Crown Vic is definitely my favorite, a much underappreciated design. I’ve never been in one, but with that greenhouse, it feels like one of the last cars you could get that wouldn’t feel like a cave inside.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago

Those old Fords were built like tanks. My buddy had an 81 LTD with a Windsor 302 and played road barrel soccer with it all the time.

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Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
1 month ago

He may have been referring to the horizontalness of the dash.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago

I still have the Touring Sedan badge from one of these that I lifted at the junkyard.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  LTDScott

Sweet!

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

I have far too much experience with these arks as Hertz for years had a hilarious idea of what “upgrade” meant. Even in their native lands of the flyover states where “handling” is largely theoretical, they were just bloody awful other than being amusing in a deeply ironic way. I would imagine this version, the cop package cars, and the later LX Sport were a little better, but there really was nowhere to go but up.

I will say to my dying day that nobody should have to drive a Panther unless they are wearing a uniform and getting paid.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Driving them is more fun once you’ve welded the diff.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

I suspect we have different definitions of “driving fun”.

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

It would be helpful if “Euro” style automakers would be more specific about the origin of the styling.
Which part of Europe is it sourced from? Germany? Italy? Latvia? Portugal? Macedonia? Ireland? France? Luxembourg?

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris D

Meh, in any given class of cars, was there REALLY that much difference in those days? A German, British, Italian, French or Swedish “sports sedan” are all FAR more similar to each other than they are to an American barge of that era. Detail differences for sure, but the theme was similar across the continent, and so were the cosmetics.

The closest the Europeans ever came to a Panther was the Volvo 7/940, and having owned a bunch of them there really was no comparison. The Volvo was a Panther done *correctly*.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

I have to guess that Touring Sedan trim was meant for the person who thought they wanted a European Sports Sedan, but found it too stiff and not cushy enough. This gave them some of the look they wanted with old school american couch driving.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

The old Granada ESS market. Except that one really did look exactly like a Mercedes in every way – same number of wheels, same number of doors, similar paint color options, it was uncanny

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
1 month ago

Humorously, I have always associated the Touring Sedan trim with police because in the early 90s (1992, apparently) the small town I was living in picked up two of them, identical to the last photo in the article, for the town detectives and police chief to drive. For years everyone was on the lookout for the two-tone Crown Vics because they were the only unmarked cop cars in the area, but they were still happy that pull everyone over for speeding.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Back in the day the Chief of Police of a local town had a 92 HPP equipped LX in the same color as mine. It was a free pass for me a couple of times when I got a wave instead of getting pulled over.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

The 92-97 looks cooler than the 98+

Also, they did later make an LX Sport, which was again the cop shit, but this time it has bucket seats and a floor shifter.

It got its ass kicked in 2004:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a15132509/2004-chrysler-300-vs-ford-crown-victoria-pontiac-bonneville-comparison-tests/

They should’ve at least given it the Mustang GT’s 260hp version by then LOL

The panthers were old even then. Ford was too stupid to just make LHD versions of the Australian Falcon.

Last edited 1 month ago by Dogisbadob
LarsVargas
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LarsVargas
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Agree on all counts, and as the former owner of an ’02 LX Sport, agree that a slight bump beyond the 235HP “high output” engine (which was actually dual exhaust) would have been nice.

Mine was black, so it had about 90% of the Marauder’s looks a year before the Marauder was a thing, but obviously missing the performance part. That said, the Marauder was not a great leap in performance, and not a worthy upgrade for me.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
1 month ago
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I remember reacting to the Marauder reboot with my high school music teacher’s wise words: “Great concept. Poor execution.” Few things frustrate me more than an automaker getting brave enough to reach into the parts bin, but not grabbing the good stuff. The Marauder deserved more borrowed Mustang ponies, or something.

See also: the 80s “aero” Thunderbird somehow never getting the Mustang’s 5.0, despite Bill “Awesome Bill From Dawsonville” Elliott kicking total ass in one in NASCAR every Sunday. A 5.0 Thunderbird, especially with a 5-speed, would have supplanted the Trans Am as the official daily driver of the good ol’ boy. But sadly, the Big Three have never gotten NASCAR homologation right for one day between them.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

I thought I have seen them with 5 litres?
The best ones were created from turbo models with a 351 in them.
The body shape really does work.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Well, they had A 5.0 liter – just not THE 5.0 liter. Intake, heads, cam, you name it, they were all different in the Mustang. The T-Bird only ever got the same 302/5.0 as a Crown Vic or an F150.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

I was stunned when I saw the squared interior on the base model.
The car works much better with a stroked 351 and suspension to match!

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

They should’ve at least given it the Mustang GT’s 260hp version by then LOL”

They had at least a few options available. Aside from the Mustang GT engine, there was also the 5.4L 2V engine and also the DOHC 32V 5.4L used in the Navigator.

Back then, it was like Ford was completely unaware of what their competition was doing.

Ford Friday
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Ford Friday
1 month ago

I had a 2002 Crown Vic Police Interceptor. The way it handled was kind of hilarious. It was huge, heavy, body-on-frame, solid rear axle and had the old-school steering gearbox before they switched to rack and pinion. All this lead to a driving experience more similar to a truck than a car. Except it had a low center of gravity and fairly wide tires, so you could actually throw it around corners. It felt a bit like it wanted to roll, but held on. When you have realistic (semi-low) expectations, it actually handled surprisingly good. You could also basically drive over anything and it would just soak it up. Also (unrelated) it drifted like a motherfucker.

It was one of the most fun cars I’ve owned and I regret selling it more than any other car I’ve had.

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Redapple
Redapple
1 month ago
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They had a hard ride. No fun

Rusty Shackleford
Rusty Shackleford
1 month ago
Reply to  Ford Friday

Mine is a blast to drive as because its so big when your on the on/off ramp you can turn and keep going, it does drive like a lowered truck and I love it

RHM 31
RHM 31
1 month ago

There seems to be a big following of the Police Package Crown Vics. My mom had a 95 Crown Vic, while it was a cushy ride, it was a very reliable car. Had it 15 years and never a problem with it. Taxi companies (prior to Uber) were buying up all the used ones they could get.

Ben Eldeson
Ben Eldeson
1 month ago
Reply to  RHM 31

I rode in a Cron Vic taxi that had over 800,000 miles. And as a taxi? Those are ROUGH miles.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  RHM 31

The LA County Sheriff’s Office did the same thing, stockpiled as many as they could get their hands on.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  RHM 31

Still wildly popular.
Perhaps the last of the police models are being imported from small towns to cities.

TroubledTroubadour
TroubledTroubadour
1 month ago

I believe those wheels belong to a 98-02 Marquis.

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

Drove a rental marquis on a trip to Disney years back. Thing drove like the steering and suspension were connected to the rest of the car by committee. Input, nothing, nothing, starting to react, overcorrect. Gawd I hated driving that barge. It was an replacement substitution from a Chrysler of some sort, probably a 300. Felt like I was being punished for some slight.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
1 month ago
Reply to  LMCorvairFan

Counterpoint: When I was on vacation driving from NY to Memphis and back in 2012 I was extremely insistent with the rental company that I should have a Crown Vic. Yes, it was absolutely terrible. Yes, all of the controls worked with the immediacy of the Engine Order Telegraphs fitted to steamships. But that was exactly what I wanted.

Larry B
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Larry B
1 month ago

Whatever happened to the Mercedes response to this with a vinyl roof, velour seats, and opera windows?

Dennis Ames
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Dennis Ames
1 month ago
Reply to  Larry B

Pretty sure laughter was to be heard in Germany…

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
1 month ago

We all have a vision in mind when we hear “Ford Panther Platform.”

Actually, mine is of 20-something driving it ironically, or using it for RallyCross or shitbox racing.

(Full disclosure, my son has a 1997 Town Car, so I may be influenced by that.)

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

“the Touring Sedan was only available in special two-tone paint schemes with painted alloy wheels in a style that mimicked some Mercedes of the time”

You might see Mercedes or Jaguar
– I see styling which closely mimics the Infiniti Q45 with Lexus two-tone.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

Just like the Impala SS from around the same time, these were pretty cheap to throw together. The upgrades for both were mostly just “cop car” bits under a car with the nicer interiors sold to the general public. Even if they didn’t sell in volume, I’m guessing that the few they did sell were highly profitable.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

You could buy the police version from a friendly performance dealer.
I even priced one once.
They still had the larger engine for those.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

The 2000s era Crown Victoria LX Sport and Grand Marquis LSE seem like watered down versions of this basic idea

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Another one in a similar vein that I wish was more common was the earlymid 80s Eldorado Touring Coupe, GM didn’t sell many and the HT4100 killed most of the ones they did, but that was the last Eldo generation I liked stylistically and those subtle Touring tweaks made it a much better package

Paul E
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Paul E
1 month ago
Reply to  The Bishop

The “handling and performance package” cars were available into the early 2000s on the Vic. Different rear axle ratio, air suspension bits in the back, dual exhausts and the 16″ BBS-style wheels are what come to mind. I suppose one could add CPVI bits to a regular Vic to get it close.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I suspect the dealers were a large reason the Touring Sedan and later the Marauder failed. In the case of the Touring Sedan, not many dealers choose to take a risk and stock them. For the Marauders they saw them as a cash cow to be milked for every penny, meaning too many 03’s were still on the lots when time came to order the 04’s which killed the 05’s.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

+1 came here for this

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