I haven’t done an installment of our Phoning It In series in a long, long time, and that’s a tragedy. A horrible tragedy on par with getting one’s tongue caught in a fax machine roller. So let’s solve this nightmare right now, and take a look at a really wonderful example of phoning-it-innery, specifically in the world of crew cab pickup trucks.
Crew cab trucks – trucks that have extended cabs with two rows of seats and four doors – have become the default sort of truck on our roads today. Going back to 2020, single cab pickup trucks only represented 3% of sales, and while those numbers have varied a bit, the overwhelming majority of trucks sold now are double cabs. Carmakers have these things dialed in pretty well now, but back about 50 years ago, that was hardly the case.


It’s two of these crew cab pickup trucks that I want to talk about today, because they’re kind of wonderful in their intense awkwardness, and almost all of that awkwardness is focused on the rear doors of these trucks. Well, the rear doors that are actually front doors, forcibly relocated for their new careers, and the resulting strange B-pillars that grew as a result.
I think the best known of these has to be Dodge’s Crew Cab pickups, which didn’t just re-use the front doors, but actually did take the effort and time to cut the doors down a bit, and yet when they did so they still managed to make it look weird and awkward.
The Dodge pickup doors had a curved trailing edge which looked fine on the single cab pickups:
…but when used in a four-door context, everything just gets weird, fast. Dodge cut down the slight angle of the leading edge of the door, but by leaving the trailing edge curved, there’s a deeply strange and thick triangular-ish B-pillar between the doors.
It’s so awkward! And it’s not like they weren’t already modifying doors – so, it would have killed them to maybe make one door that could actually work for both front and rear? It’s not like making crew cab doors was bankrupting other companies – Volkswagen, for example, had been doing it for years:
…though, to be fair, they only had a door on one side, so they had some cost-cutting of their own. And Ford did seem to make custom rear doors that weren’t perfect but at least didn’t look that weird:

Of course, Ford only made these in minuscule numbers, so maybe they’re not the best examples.
Even worse than the Dodge attempt I think was the solution GM used to get crew cab trucks – most of these were actually built by a company in Oklahoma called Scott-BILT, who took brand-new Chevy C20 pickups fresh from the factory and stretched them out by over 42 inches in the cab area, and put in rear doors, like these:
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Yes, they’re just the front doors, repeated, and for all the complicated chassis work and body reinforcing you’d think maybe they’d tweak that front angled door edge, but no, this was good enough, somehow.
GM even made a four-door vehicle based on this same platform, the Suburban; why didn’t they adapt the Suburban doors to this? It’s not like these were budget conversions, after all – they weren’t cheap at all. I think Suburban doors could have fit, too; here’s a quick mockup:
I bet they could have even sold back the pickup doors to dealers, as service parts!
Interestingly, when GM redesigned the C20 pickup trucks for the third generation in 1973, they actually did use Suburban doors for their crew cab trucks, as you can see:
This absolutely feels more intentional, and is objectively a better design, but my particular set of Brain Problems makes me sort of miss the awkward awkwardness and awkwardivity of the phoned-in design. Maybe they could have leaned in with a sort of triangular-shaped googie-style trim piece on that huge B-pillar?
I suppose with the low volumes that most of these trucks were built and sold in kind of justify the phoned-initude of it all, but it’s still hard to imagine something so half-assed being sold today. And part of me thinks that’s a shame.
I thought they all looked fine, they’re unique and interesting…but yeah, still phoned in
At least the Scott-built rear front doors (front rear doors?) still had the ventilation windows! Bonus! my single cab ’86 F150 has vent windows and they rule. Wish my ’08 F350 had them up front. Aftermarket Opportunity! A swap out/bolt up kit to directly swap the glass, rubber seals and tracks, and somehow continue to use the window regulator. They’d sell like 120 sets to weirdos around the country like me, ha.
Peterbilt did the same front doors as rear doors on their large crew cabs. These also use a sleeper box with seats, for minimal effort.
You see some of the same weirdness with medium duty trucks based on cabovers. The Old Freightliner FL trucks used a Mercedes cab and had a wheel well cutout and a filler panel at the back. Mack Midliner conventionals are even weirder. The doors use a reversed stamping, so the wheel well cutout, and filler panel are at the front. This is because Renault made a front engine version with a set back axle that required a cutout, and the Mack version had a forward set axle.
Buddy, we are both in need of many, many things………………..
I love you Harvey park Avenue! Is lusting after the 79 Buick Rivera or 83 Mercury Cougar I’ve seen on auction sites recently a terrible thing? If so, I’m a bad, bad, bad boy lusting for terrible things LOL
Just imagine them with a padded vinyl roof, opera lights on that weird B pillar, and pillow topped seats inside.1970’s meets modern times! Use your imagination and it will all make since LOL. To think a crew cab truck with a 4.5 foot bed would be an accepted family car now days is mind bogging. On a similar note, Gawd I miss disco!
I dunno, I kinda like those weird B Pillars.
They are begging for a 70’s opera light, am I right?????
Need I remind you that Chrysler (Stellantis, whatever) is still phoning it in on the rear doors of the Gladiator, which are just JL Wrangler rear doors, complete with a wheel well cutout the truck doesn’t need.
When a crew cut door just looks like a double mullet.
Don’t be bagging on the mullet budrow, this is the era when they were starting to be cool beans. Mullets that is. I really rocked one back in the day when I still had a full head of hair!
Love the vent wings in the back windows. Smokers to the rear!
or the front. puff puff, pass bogarter. you’ve had two hits bogart, pass it along ! Quit dominating the blunt ahole.
Notable on the Dodge is that the crease line running along the body side runs downward as it goes to the back. Meaning that crease on the crew doors has to bridge the gap as a level line. It’s subtle, but once you see it, you can’t unsee it.
So then they would have had to make some modification to the dies, right? I have no idea how hard it would be to modify a crease line but am sort of surprised they’d bother at all. Almost like they were trying to make it look “nice.” In some ways that makes it even sadder…
I think the forward doors are exactly the same as the standard cab doors, but the rear doors would have to be totally unique stampings, for both the internal structure and the outer skin. Mostly because the rear doors don’t appear to be as long as the fronts.
Maybe the window frame, regulator mech and glass could be the same?
My dad told me about riding around in my granddads government surplus dodge 4 door pickup that was one of his first memories. Specifically remembers how ugly the truck was and that he thought the “triangle between the doors” was weird to him even as a kid.
You need to understand the thing about pie-dish Mopars: they’ve already gone so far into “ugly” territory that they’ve come all the way around to “weirdly beautiful”. The weird crew cab version is almost like an abstract sculpture or the smell of diesel where the more time you spend around it, the more you grow to love it.
Ever since the first time I saw one of those old crew cab Dodges, I thought it so odd and ugly that it transcended into the “cool” category.
Especially when they’re lifted up a bit with some old school pizza cutter mud tires on steelies. On the complete other end of that spectrum, a few years ago someone built one with a modern drivetrain and all the luxuries, it was beautiful.
I test drove one of those Dodge trucks 15 years ago when I was looking for a “new” beater truck. It had great plaid bench seats and I was giggling as I drove it around. In the end I said no because I really wanted an 8 ft bed and the carb needed some help as it was stalling until it warmed up. I really wanted something with fuel injection so I ended up with a 92 F-250 single cab with the 300-6. Still running and looks almost as ancient now as that Dodge did then.
Love the old 300.
Oof. Even Dick Teague would look at that Scott-Bilt and say “That’s…too far.”
You don’t even have to go back in time to see a crew cab being phoned in! Check out the rear door on the Jeep Gladiator.