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This EV Charging Cable Punishes Thieves By Turning Them Blue

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As more EV chargers grace the roadways and parking lots of the world, thieves are taking advantage. The cables that connect chargers to cars use valuable copper wire, making them easy targets for those who want to make a quick buck by selling the metal to scrapyards or recycling facilities.

Because thieves want to make as much money as possible, they’ll often hit every charger at a given station, according to PBS, leaving the entire location totally useless until each cable is replaced. The resulting downtime means inconvenienced EV drivers, added costs, and yet another obstacle for mass electric vehicle adoption.

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Seeing an opportunity in the market, one company has figured out a deterrent for keeping thieves away from EV charging cables using a decidedly low-tech solution: Pressurized liquid dye.

It All Started With Catalytic Converters

The company, CatStrap, is known for making anti-theft devices for catalytic converters. Their namesake product is a strap you wrap around your exhaust, made from three layers of strip steel (a flat, bendable type of steel) that makes it incredibly difficult to cut through with an average cutting device. Since 2013, founder Tom Birsen and his son David have been making the CatStrap as a side project to the family’s main auto repair business. Then, seven years ago, demand shifted.

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Source: CatStrap

“In 2018 and 2019, the catalytic converter theft activity kind of transformed into an epidemic, more or less, where it really started to spread,” says David Birsen, who is now the company’s vice president. “The price of the precious metals in [the catalytic converters] started to rise, leading into 2020, when things just went hockey stick from a theft activity standpoint. And so our business went from something that was kind of a side project to a full-time manufacturing facility.”

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The Birsens shut down their auto repair business and have been focused on theft protection devices ever since. The idea to break into the EV charger cable protection game came from one of CatStrap’s existing customers.

“About 18 months ago, one of our commercial customers, a municipal government out in the Seattle, Tacoma area, started to electrify their fleet,” the junior Birsen told me. “So they had EV chargers at their facility, and folks were cutting down the fence and chopping off their EV charging cables. So they actually put it on our radar for the first time that EV charging cable theft is now a problem for the copper scrap value.”

The First Iteration Of Cable Charging Protection Is Born

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It looks like a normal cable, but it’s not. Source: CatStrap

Birsen’s solution? A product called the EV Cable Shield. Like the CatStrap, this device consists of a series of strip steel pieces—four in this case. The steel runs the length of the charging cable, surrounding it on each side for full protection. Getting the steel hard enough to actually stop thieves wasn’t easy.

“The strip steel material that we’re using is very similar to what they actually manufacture the saw blades out of, except ours goes through an extra heat treatment process that raises the hardness of that material, just a level above what you’ll find in the hardest saw blade tool that you can buy at Home Depot, for example.”

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The EV Cable Shield before it’s placed onto a charging cable. Source: CatStrap

“So most Sawzall blades top out at around 47 to 49 on the Rockwell hardness scale. And our strip steel spec, it’s from 53 to 55 on that Rockwell hardness scale,” says Birsen. “So basically, what happens when you have even a high-quality Sawzall blade, and you try to cut through these three layers of hardened strip steel, the teeth on that blade will just wear out before you can actually cut through the material. And so after a couple of minutes of cutting, you’re basically just left with a dull blade.”

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“It’s just a really frustrating, difficult job to get through,” he says. “You need at least a fresh pack of spare blades in order to actually complete a cut. And so, we just don’t see that happening out in the real world.”

For the Cable Shield, CatStrap went even further, adding another type of metal to make it even tougher for thieves.

Ev Shield Tucked 2
Source: CatStrap

“We also intermix [the strip steel] with steel aircraft cable, and the reason that we’re using two materials in the EV charging cable space is because there’s no one tool that’s effective at cutting both types of material,” Birsen says. “So you’ll have a bolt cutter type of tool that can’t get through a very ductile, flexible aircraft cable. Or more of a saw type of tool, where those steel strips are just gonna destroy the teeth. It’s the combination of those materials for the EV cable that makes it really difficult to cut.”

Two major considerations in adapting the CatStrap product to EV charging cables are that charging cables aren’t hidden away under the car, and they have to move freely without assistance. Adding the same level of protection while keeping those two things in mind was a challenge, according to Birsen.

“There are new constraints for charging cables—mainly that they’re flexible,” he says. “You need to remain lightweight, and you can’t inhibit the usability of the cable at all from a consumer experience. There are also some more aesthetic requirements for an EV charger compared to the underside of the exhaust of a car, where no one really sees.”

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Ev Shield Cable 2
Source: CatStrap

To that end, the entire setup is wrapped in a black nylon sheath that seals via a Velcro-type fastener. The result is a chubbier, slightly heavier wire that can still be maneuvered by an average person without them having to struggle.

An Extravagant Deterrent

Birsen says his company has sold around 2,000 of its EV Cable Shields so far, with the product now making up about half of CatStrap’s business. Of those 2,000 Shields, around 1,000 have come equipped with a $100 add-on product called the DyeDefender. It’s a pressurized line of liquid that sits alongside the steel in the Cable Shield. When cut, it releases a blue dye that shoots out in the direction of whoever is attempting to cut the cable.

“[It was] originally developed for the catalytic converter product, and really inspired by what the banking industry does, with those blue packs that release that powder if someone runs off with [money]. And in like glitter bomb type of inspiration from YouTube videos,” Birsen tells me.

He says he took additional inspiration from the automotive industry, using nylon braided fuel lines to hold the dye. The liquid itself is 60% vegetable glycerin and 40% water, with less than 1% food-grade blue colorant. Birsen says the solution mimics antifreeze properties, so it stays liquid in cold weather. The line is pressurized to 80 PSI, which is enough to shoot “several feet” of spray, but not so much that it’ll injure someone.

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Blue Dye Cable
Busted. GIF via CatStrap

In addition to causing a huge mess, cutting through the line would mark the culprit with a bunch of obvious blue dye, making them an easy spot for law enforcement.

“If they did try to cut through one cable, it’s highly unlikely that they’re gonna go down the line at a typical EV charging station where there’s six or eight cables and continue doing that because it creates a real mess and [it’s] not something that these guys are used to dealing with,” says Birsen. “It certainly prevents any sort of catastrophic damage where they wipe out an entire station.”

How Effective Is It? Well, No One Really Knows Yet

Despite having sold over 1,000 EV Cable Shields equipped with the DyeDefender system, no one has been brave enough to attempt to cut past the setup just yet, according to Birsen.

“We are still waiting for our first documented video of a thief cutting through this and seeing the blue spray on them,” he tells me. “To date, all the videos that exist are from our own internal testing. Everything that has been deployed, there has not been an attempted cut yet, actually.”

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Source: CatStrap

Birsen says the lack of attempts likely comes down to the yellow placard that comes with every DyeDefender system. It sits right at the beginning of every cable equipped with the option, warning potential thieves that what they’re about to cut into is, in fact, pressurized.

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“I think ultimately our goal is: Can we provide enough of a visual and psychological deterrent where a thief doesn’t even try in the first place? And so we do provide that yellow warning tag with every unit that says, ‘Warning, pressurized, do not cut,’ which is important both from a deterrence standpoint and from a liability standpoint to make sure that we’re covering both ourselves and the customer,” he says. “That has been incredibly effective at getting a thief to just walk up to the unit and walk away without even trying.”

To all the EV charging cable thieves out there: Be careful. Next time you try to steal some copper from a charging station, you might end up looking like the newest member of the Blue Man Group.

Top graphic image: CatStrap

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Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
1 month ago

A simple bit of additional AI audio is all that’s needed to make this system perfect:

Cable Thief: Just a another two minutes of cutting and it’s ours…
Cable Charger: I think I’m gonna smurf!
Cable Thief: What was that?
Cable Thief 2: Just keep cutting. Almost there.
Cable Charger: I’m gonna smurf! I’m gonna…
[pastel blue mess occurs leaving two cable thieves covered in blue]
Cable Thief: Say nothing of this to anyone ever again.
Cable Thief 2: I renounce crime.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

A friend put a drop system in his shop releasing nausea gas along with a recording warning you have been poisoned with nerve gas. YOU MUST REACH THE HOSPITAL FOR IMMEDIATE TREATMENT

This actually worked.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

Cut the whole corner of the EV charger further up with an angle grinder.

An angle grinder won’t care about the plastic shell of the charger to find a weaker point.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

But you are limited by the diameter of your cut-off wheel, which I’ve often found to be more limiting than I had expected (when using a grinder for non-criminal purposes!)

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

Friend takes the guard off and uses welding grade cutting wheels, swedish I think.
Can cut most things.
Wear protection!!!!

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

[mom voice] See? This is why we can’t have nice things!

Sklooner
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Sklooner
1 month ago

In other news Papa Smurf has been arrested

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

I’d rather they get the full electric force of the cable, but its a start.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

Who would have thought leaving expensive materials unattended in a society that coddles violent criminals would be a problem?

Dead Elvis, Inc.
Dead Elvis, Inc.
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Theft of property =/= violent crime

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

Tell them no.
See what happens.

Jb996
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Jb996
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

They run away and try to find another easy score?

They’re supporting a drug habit and are not organized violent criminals.

Jb996
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Jb996
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

… in a society that leaves drug addiction persecuted but untreated, creating a revolving door and never ending supply of drug addicts; and which benefits the wealthy and marginalizes the poor, and where police only have the money, manpower, and interest for the easy arrest (the lowest level drug addict), not in the higher level crime which takes actual investigative work and is done by individuals with lawyers.
i.e. why don’t the police go after the scrap yards? or any even higher white collar crime for that matter?

oh; stealing copper != violent crime

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

A high voltage, low amp charge, like an Australian sheep fence could be entertaining.
A lot of copper thieves hook themselves up to the grid stealing live copper wires.
There are fairly dramatic photos of the results.
At least one did that stealing wire from a substation in Memphis.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago

I keep seeing videos of porch pirates stealing bait packages and getting covered in this same kind of dye. I find it hilarious, but I expect somebody to get sued for it because America.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Criminals sue victims all the time.
Doesn’t usually work, but can drag along.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Yep.

First Last
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First Last
1 month ago

Seems like you’d make more money with a system that blue the paying customers.

Freddy Bartholomew
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Freddy Bartholomew
1 month ago
Reply to  First Last

Will this get past the MSN censors?

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

To all the EV charging cable thieves out there: Be careful FUCK YOU!!!”

There… fixed it to reflect what we really think. We don’t care about thieves being careful.

We want thieves to get fucked.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
1 month ago

And in Europe, you just bring your own cable. Makes it a lot easier for municipalities to just line the street with charger sockets.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Assuming you leave the car charging overnight, doesn’t this make it much easier for thieves? Also, is scrap metal recycling a big thing in Europe? Whenever I’m working on a car and have things like brake rotors to throw away, old exhaust, radiator, or anything metal I just set it down in the alley next to the trash bins and it’s always gone within an hour, or even gotten free help to remove an exhaust so he can take it. I swear they can smell it from a mile away…

Jb996
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Jb996
1 month ago

Metal theft is absolutely a thing in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_theft

i3 Driving Indicator Fetishist
i3 Driving Indicator Fetishist
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Not for DC fast chargers.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

Man, they really went hard on that USB-C standardization thing, didn’t they?

Jakob Johansen
Jakob Johansen
1 month ago
Reply to  Gubbin

No you do not. That is for AC charging only. This concerns DC charging.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago

Tobias honest, that’s a Funke way to solve a problem.

LarsVargas
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LarsVargas
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

I guess if the thieves fail, we’ll see an arrest developing.

Ottomottopean
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Ottomottopean
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

If you have trouble replacing the cables, there’s always money in the banana stand.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago
Reply to  Ottomottopean

It’s a charging cable, Michael. What would it cost, twenty dollars?

Live2ski
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Live2ski
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

I didn’t know the cables are never-nude. now they are always covered

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

Mods? Put this man in the Aztek Tomb.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
1 month ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

This is a win-win. I get a home, the Aztek, and I am mandated by law to be adopted by whomever buys the Aztek at auction. I don’t make up the rules, I just think them up and write them down.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

From the description it sounds like it would be rather effective against a sawz-all, but I doubt it would slow down an angle grinder much. Either way I approve as it’s better than nothing.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
1 month ago

That’s exactly what I was thinking! I guess the fabric-ish part on the outside would be more problematic for the grinder, but I’d probably just cut that with a knife and then hit it with a grinder.
Maybe the nice bright spray of sparks from the grinder is a deterrent to thieves counting on the cover of darkness?

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

Based on several of my gloves where I had to hold something right next to where I’m cutting, angle grinders don’t even see fabric or leather. TBH I think you’re safer not wearing them as you can at least see where exactly your finger is, but they are called death wheels for a reason.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
1 month ago

Hmm, ok. I guess I remember being taught that it was dangerous to use gloves with angle grinders because the fabric would get pulled into it and jam it (with your hand). I guess I assumed that’s about how it would work with any fabric, but maybe just cutting is likely enough?

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

Don’t get either in the machine

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

Cutting wheels are dangerous enough on their own, but relatively fabric safe. Wirewheels on an angle grinder are a whole other thing. I brushed my sweatshirt after the grinder sped down from 7K RPM to about 100, it grabbed, and smacked the shit out of my ribs with the handle before I realized I wasn’t even holding it.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

My friend mostly doesn’t wear protection, except for flak grade eye protection, but he’s a special case.
He has seen good wheels shatter.
After he loaned a tool to someone who instantly sliced up their chest, he wouldn’t let me use his.
I had to go get one myself.
No injuries so far, but a dangerous tool.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
1 month ago
Reply to  DNF

Yeah, grinders are an awesome tool, but I have a LOT of respect for them. It’s probably the most dangerous tool I own, and I try to remember that at all times!

Even so, I was using a wire wheel to clean rust off my car in the summer, and somehow a piece of metal managed to get past both my face shield and my safety glasses, to get conveniently lodged in my eye! It stayed there for a few weeks before finally getting flushed out, and was only mildly annoying, but still! I thought I was taking PPE seriously!

DNF
DNF
1 month ago

Rust or wood in your eye are VERY dangerous.
I’m glad you’re okay.
I got a tiny splinter in my eye wearing safety glasses, just cutting wood with a circular saw.
Painful and expensive!

Fuller makes brushes so aggressive that manual use is usually adequate.
Steel and stainless.
They sell strips of brushes that can be made into any size brush, up to a bed for assembly lines.
I made one on the end of a long handle.
Could brush inside cabinets and keep my face away from it.

Last edited 1 month ago by DNF
10001010
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10001010
1 month ago

Smurfy

Elhigh
Elhigh
1 month ago

I’ve been thinking that something like this was needed for a while now. When I was in Minnesota for the Fair a couple of years ago, the charger we spotted one evening was missing its cable the next evening. We discussed some ideas that might slow down thieves – a sudden spasm of accountability on the parts of scrap buyers was an early, guffaw-pulling suggestion – and this was about where we landed. Cables need to pee stench and ink like an exploding dye pack from a bank holdup.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Elhigh

IIRC the cat theft dropped off considerably a couple years ago when the Feds caught one major buyer.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago

There were 5 sidewalk charging stations installed outside my office in Downtown Los Angeles for a now-defunct electric car rental company. The cables never lasted longer than 24 hours after replacement and the charger screens got smashed up, set on fire and covered in graffiti all the time.

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
1 month ago
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MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago

SIXTH STREET!
It sucks that the new and beautiful 6th street bridge (featured in so many car commercials) is dark because the copper wiring for the lighting keeps getting stripped from it.

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
1 month ago

And every recycler who buys piles of copper from tweakers should be hosed down with blue dye, too.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

They burn off the insulation, sometimes melt it.
Horrific fumes.

BubbaMT
BubbaMT
1 month ago

A better solution would be to have the cable constantly energized with the switch at the plug. Thieves will only cut a cable once.

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  BubbaMT

I like the way you think, sir.

Palmetto Ranger
Palmetto Ranger
1 month ago

I guess it sounds more professional to say you were inspired by banking security measures, but I think they really got the idea from the graffiti wall in The Naked Gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybpKmNN61rc

Frobozz
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Frobozz
1 month ago

Wasn’t it one of the Naked Gun movies where the grafitti-proof wall would spray paint vandals in reatiliation? Life imitates art.

Anoos
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Anoos
1 month ago

These thefts aren’t happening in broad daylight with people around, why would the blue dye be a deterrent?

If the cops don’t notice them cutting and leaving with the charging cables now, why would the color of the un-seen thief make any difference? I assume the copper is still just as scrap-able with hints of blue dye.

DNF
DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Anoos

Most crimes happen in daytime.
Police are understaffed by 90 percent, so not a factor.

Icouldntfindaclevername
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Icouldntfindaclevername
1 month ago

So is their company liable for near by damage from the dye?
Surrounding cars getting sprayed? Sounds great for a small mom and pop company, until someone files a law suit wanting money for damages.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago

From the description of the formula that would be a matter of occasionally handing out a carwash coupon or two.

Icouldntfindaclevername
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Icouldntfindaclevername
1 month ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Unless a window of a near by car was down 🙁

David Smith
David Smith
1 month ago

Does anyone park with their window down nowadays?

Saul Springmind
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Saul Springmind
1 month ago
Reply to  David Smith

Probably not somewhere a charger cable is likely to be stolen.

Anoos
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Anoos
1 month ago

Still just a small amount of food coloring. I’m sure you could clean it with any decent carpet / upholstery cleaner.

AssMatt
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AssMatt
1 month ago

Okay, Pete, you know what you do? You buy yourself a tape recorder, you just record yourself for a whole day.

Banana Stand Money
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Banana Stand Money
1 month ago
Reply to  AssMatt

You beat me to it, AssMatt. I was about to post, but then I prematurely shot my wad on what what supposed to be a dry run if you will, so I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands.

Last edited 1 month ago by Banana Stand Money
Saul Springmind
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Saul Springmind
1 month ago

You blowhard!

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 month ago

…do these people make bike locks?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Have they tested their product locking up a desirable bicycle in an American urban setting overnight?

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

See, if you dye the thief, you’ll just make them angry.

However…

If you have a pressurized compartment that fires scorpions, that would send the message that these charging cables are not to be trifled with.

Eric S
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Eric S
1 month ago

The desire to cut through an EV cable is just to be an asshole, right? Am I understanding that correctly?

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric S

No, it’s mostly addicts stealing the cables to recycle them for cash. But they are still assholes.

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

I agree with James McHenry here. Not likely addicts. This takes real effort

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

And at least some up-front capital to buy your Sawzall and blades

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago

I worked at a job site at a public school and it was a very large construction site. I was putting big speakers in the auditorium and we had to do it late. Very questionable guy who was the site supers number two showed up at 11:00 PM out of nowhere. That site had a couple of contractors where their site boxes got broken into and lots of tools stolen. Maybe the guy was an addict but he was working on a very large job site in a very large responsibility position. He had access to all kinds of tools. He surely made money in his day job

Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

Probably not still much of a thing, but not long ago thieves were stealing heat pump condenser units from people’s homes for the copper coils. Talk about hard work… I think most manufacturers use aluminum for the coils now.

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago

It’s not a random stoner. You need tools. I did a job where we redid a local outdoor music venue. We only got the wire from the shed. Even still, we loaded a van with ~1500# of copper. Was a lot of work, gave the venue crew $50 each an bought lunch for everyone and still made a couple days pay. We didn’t even get the main home runs. 10awg speaker wire x186 speakers. That was 2006, i think

Last edited 1 month ago by Howie
Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

I’m not sure who was talking about “random stoners” – most of these guys are stealing large volumes of this stuff and making decent amounts of money

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Howie
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Howie
1 month ago

SoCoFoMoCo in the post above said that. I think we are in agreeance generally

Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

I see that you are/were a sound system contractor. I had a sound-for-hire business years ago, did stage lighting as well. When the industry went from sealed beam PAR cans to LED, I had a huge amount of heavy gauge power distro cable to sell…

Anoos
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Anoos
1 month ago
Reply to  Howie

Catalytic converter theft takes effort and tools. Nobody’s surprised that those are often crimes to support a habit.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric S

No, more than anything it’s how expensive copper is. Scrap haulers make a lot of money on just steel, much less more expensive material. And if you leave it out in the open and easy to grab in a hurry…as by necessity here…people will just take it to a scrap yard, and have enough money for beer and other libations. The guy who tried to grab steel scraps and swarf from the place I work at had half a JC Whitney catalog of tack-on guff, and big chrome rims, on what I can only describe as a beat to hell Dodge Ram. And seemed in good fitness. I doubt he was well off but he wasn’t homeless either.

So, no, they aren’t considerate. They don’t care who they hurt, including themselves. But there’s more to it than just a slight against EV drivers. There’s plenty of profit to be had from fleecing the public. Just ask billionaires.

Last edited 1 month ago by James McHenry
Howie
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Howie
1 month ago
Reply to  James McHenry

This is a good take. I do a little scrapping here and there. Some scrappers are not above board. They aren’t necessarily addicts. What a crutch that label is. There is plenty of profit fleecing the public. Just look at the current administration.

Last edited 1 month ago by Howie
Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Around me in Chicago I consider scrap haulers to be an overall benefit. They pretty much never steal anything, just pick up stuff from the alleys or if you flag one down you can have them help haul a washer / stove out. Keeps the alleys from getting cluttered with appliances or needing you to call the trash company to come pick it up. One that operates near me drops his wife off for work every day nearby in the morning, cruises the alleys for about an hour, then once again later in the day when he’s waiting for her to get off work.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago

The scrapers in the Chicago suburbs are the same. They’re great. I actually take stuff home from work to put out for them.

Insufficient Data
Insufficient Data
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric S

~15 years ago I was in the process of moving and clearing out a long-time residence. I loaded up my utility trailer with all sorts of scrap wire, cable etc. At that time the yards were paying >$2/pound for #2 copper (which includes jacketed copper wire/cable). I came home with $270 that day. Market price of copper is MUCH higher now…

Eric S
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Eric S
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric S

(replying to the original comment to say thanks for the stories and info. I actually learned some things!)

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
1 month ago

Awesome. Fuck cable thieves. Public charging is hard enough.

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