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This Off-Road-Ready, Towing-Capable, Pickup-Chassis Minivan Could Actually Make The Category Cool

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In marketing, the key to success is finding gaps that nobody else has seen. Lee Iacocca’s Mustang is a perfect example of the right product at the right time, as was his Dodge Caravan. Skeptics might say that such opportunities no longer exist, but I think I see one right now.

Spoiler alert: it’s not a back-to-basics vehicle, the latest cause celeb with startup now. However, this machine is indeed a bit of a throwback. Why don’t we revive the body-on-frame minivan with power to all four wheels?

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Vidframe Min Bottom

What’s Next, A Knob-Tune AM Radio?

Let me ask a serious question: even if you’re a huge fan of these bare-bones, back-to-basics, crank-window trucks that have been appearing as of late, do you think there’s really a market for them? We’ll know soon enough, with EV startup Slate getting ready to roll out and REO trucks promising a similar “just the essentials” gasoline-powered product. Personally, I don’t think the demand is as strong as some think it is outside a certain group of enthusiasts.

Regardless, another startup called Amberglow is promising a Soviet-austere camper van following the same formula. The AI-generated image going around shows something resembling a VW Vanagon Westfalia camper:

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Information is very, very slim for this thing; there are vague specs online and drawings that look very amateurish, even to the painfully amateur scribbler writing this thing right now. I am assuming non-camper versions will be offered, but most images show living spaces, a turbo straight-six, and manual transmission of unknown origin under a “doghouse” between the front seats of the cabover design. There are also quotes from the company’s founder about making a truck that will last 30 years, that you can fix yourself with your own tools, that uses an old Russian UAZ “bread loaf” van as inspiration.

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source: UAZ

It’s not so much specifications on the Amberglow website than it is a bunch of ideas spat out by a group of old-school van camper fans in puffer vests drinking beer around a firepit.

Amberglow Specs

Amberglow also presented the interior mockup, which is essentially a 1980 VW Vanagon cabin with a military-grey metal dash and exposed-fastener door panels.

Amberglow Int 1

It’s undeniably sort of cool, but here’s my prediction: other than a small set of hardcore Luddites, nobody wants a new UAZ. Ask the owner of an old Econoline with the engine next to the driver’s seat how much they enjoy that at highway speeds in the summertime. Most buyers have zero interest in sitting over the front axle with their legs ahead of the wheels. They also want automatic transmission plus the magic of power windows, heated seats, and other niceties. They don’t have the inclination to wrench anyway, and if you made the thing able to last three decades like my old W126 Benz or Land Cruiser, they couldn’t afford it. Lastly, a $35,000 price tag is out of the question in almost any scenario.

Having said that, this odd concept that will likely never see the light of day had me thinking of something that a lot of shoppers really do want. I’m convinced that Autopians, off-roaders, and those who tow will agree.

Respect The Van, Man

Sad fact: despite their inarguable practicality, nobody thinks most minivans are cool. Station wagons were considered nerdy and passe by the nineties, but eventually had a resurgence as the hippest machines on earth; it appears minivans will never experience such a renaissance. With SUVs, owners can sort of pose like they’re driving some kind of adventure truck; good as it is, that isn’t the case with the likes of a Pacifica.

2027 Chrysler Pacifica Pinnacle
Chrysler

There were some exceptions to the rule, however: minivans from Chrysler’s competitors. The rear-drive body-on-frame Chevy Astro/GMC Safari and partially framed Ford Aerostar were eventually both available with four driven wheels, allowing them to go (and tow) where even the AWD Mopar twins could not.

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Chevrolet
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Ford

Sadly, those trucklike products didn’t even last as long as more traditional minivans in the market. The Aerostar died out in 1997, while the GM twins lived on until 2005; neither manufacturer really took advantage of the opportunity to offer these rugged things as something sport utility-like. Two decades on, is the time right for an independent startup to see if making such an overlanding box is crossing a diamond with a pearl?

Reframing The Minivan, Literally

A few years back, I collaborated with off-roading authority and Autopian friend Fred Williams to create concepts for the Jeep Van that he thought it was high time to see.

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I did an ICE version of this van, with the fossil-fuel-powered one featuring the chassis of a full-sized RAM.

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I also did an EREV “exoskeleton” version as well:

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Wow, what was I thinking back then? This thing was strange.

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For my version of the Amberglow, I’d do something similar but with a mid-sized truck chassis like a Ranger; the wheelbase of that Ford is within an inch of the ID.Buzz. It’s got far more overhang, but that could be modified for the van.

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Ford Ranger chassis (source: Ford)

Using that chassis would push the engine further back into the cabin than on that Jeep Van I was proposing, but not fully between the seats as on old Econolines and the design Amberglow was suggesting. Ford only offers Rangers with a six-speed automatic now, so that makes the choice of gearbox easy.

What should this Bishop-modified Amberglow look like? I can see a VW Transporter being a great muse, but not the one you’re thinking of.

Call It “Cocaine Buzz”

Few vehicles were as eagerly anticipated and then quickly dismissed as Volkswagen’s ID Buzz, an electric Bus revival that bombed with laughable range and stratospheric price. However, when it was unceremoniously dropped after one year, people missed something about its unmistakable look.

Volkswagen ID.Buzz
Source: Volkswagen

That’s not unlike the original Land Rover Defender 90. The owner of chemical giant Ineos wanted to buy the rights to the thing and continue production, but JLR refused; his solution was to make a just-changed-enough copy of his own called the Grenadier.

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Photo credit: Ineos

Personally, I think that was a rather unethical move, and I believe that the changes to turn the Defender into the Grenadier are visually subpar. Still, what if Amberglow did a sort-of-Grenadier with the ID Buzz? For some reason I wouldn’t feel as sorry for Volkswagen since a.) they teased us with this van for twenty years before inexcusably blowing the execution and b.) the CEL is on once again in my own personal VW product despite thousands spent on maintenance, so screw them.

Using the ID Buzz as an inspiration, I’ve kept much of the same look but with some more of an industrial feel. The end result looks remarkably like one of those Stomper 4X4s you had as a kid, just with the body of an electric Volkswagen on it. Talk about a practical family machine that’s also tough-looking. Also, I see similarities to the Toyota Previa “egg van” that’s a personal favorite of mine.

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The Bishop/Volkswagen

As a “mouth-breather” with a low grille up front, why not add the spare tire on the nose like the old VW Bus used to do? Well, there are a number of reasons not to put the tire there (aero, getting to the motor), but Jason demanded it. Actually, I spent time on Slack talking to Torch about this feature, and such conversations inevitably take a turn for the worse. In this case, Jason suggested that the pivoting tire would be for more than just engine access; he saw it as turning into a round “bistro” table for your meal or drinks. Insane as it is, I think TireTable might even be something Jason should patent.

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The Bishop (Jason’s idea)

I’m afraid that sliding rear doors might run into issues with the addition of big off-road tires, so I’ve replaced them with hinged doors. Full roll-down windows would replace the rather silly sliding squares of the Buzz. There might be options for different doors on the sides and back, including sliding or bi-fold ones, which might be particularly useful on commercial-based versions.

Speaking of variety, besides different side door styles, I’d propose a bunch of completely different versions of the van. Obviously, the rendering of the green one above shows the overlanding version, but we’d also have a less aggressive (even rear-drive-only) lower “street” edition. Naturally, a camper with a raised or pop-up roof would be part of the equation, plus maybe commercial versions as well. Yes, I know seemingly every corporation is going for fleets of EV vans now, but what if one didn’t? Let’s face it: the Chevy Express/GMC Savanna outlasted the BrightDrop.

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The “doghouse” would naturally dominate the interior; I’m seeing that whole L-shaped console thing with the screen and gearshift pivoting up and backwards to access the rear part of the engine. Chunky wiper and signal levers, big knobs, industrial toggles for accessories, and even large buttons to allow you to turn the temperature up or down while wearing big gloves. “Clamshell” style armrest pads pivot outwards to access a big storage bin behind the shifter.

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The Bishop

It’s hardly lavish, and very angular in a retro sort of way, but far more modern and tolerable than Amberglow was suggesting with their mock-Vanagon cabin.

Bishop, The Patron Saint Of Startups?

Don’t get me wrong: even if it isn’t exactly my cup of tea, if the proposed Amberglow actually materializes, it would be a refreshing change from what’s out there now. Still, I think they’re missing the opportunity to do a less hair-shirt example of a body-on-frame mid-sized van that we’ve been missing for decades now. It would be as capable at towing and off-roading as any SUV, but offer practicality that they’re sorely lacking.

Maybe that’s what it would take to get people to finally accept minivans as cool?

Top graphic image: Volkswagen/The Bishop

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Nick Adams
Nick Adams
20 hours ago

So, Ineos is unethical for copying the Defender, but it’s ok to copy VW and produce a van copy?

Grow up.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
21 hours ago

Call it the Megaspeed and you can sell it to all the newly minted AI paper millionaires.

Goose
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Goose
21 hours ago

Not trying to be harsh here, but you’ve just made a BoF SUV that looks like a minivan, without the minivan utility. Most people, myself included, put up with the styling of a minivan to get actual van utility. Not getting that van utility, but still getting van styling does not seem like a winning combination. I’d bet most people would just go get an actual SUV.

Ok_Im_here
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Ok_Im_here
21 hours ago

People in Utah drive those 25 year old JDM Isuzu 4×4 vans like they are the latest fashion. An updated model that wasn’t insane expensive would be killer.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
18 hours ago
Reply to  Ok_Im_here

Izuzu vans? Do you mean Mitsubishi Delicas?

Dennis Ames
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Dennis Ames
21 hours ago

I like it, but the “Jeep” people don’t seem to me liking a “Minivan” Jeep or not.

4jim
4jim
21 hours ago
Reply to  Dennis Ames

This jeep person would love real BOF $x4 running gear with mini van capacity. I would be all in.

M SV
M SV
22 hours ago
UpstateDave
UpstateDave
23 hours ago

I dig it! Utilitarian practicality often results in looking cool as a side benefit.

FloridaNative
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FloridaNative
23 hours ago

Where do I send my deposit?

Navarre
Navarre
23 hours ago

I was amped to see van coverage, but you lost me when you dropped sliding doors.

Edit: I see this has been corrected in the comment section.

Last edited 23 hours ago by Navarre
Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
1 day ago

Did we seriously just re-invent the Mitsubishi Delica Space Gear again

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
23 hours ago

Yeah, I was gonna say this is Mazda MPV/Delica Space Gear erasure.

Navarre
Navarre
23 hours ago

I want a new RVR Sports Gear (or Subaru Domingo), but a new fangled Delica would be ok.

Goblin
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Goblin
1 day ago

…other than a small set of hardcore Luddites, nobody wants a new UAZ…

7500 to 14000 buyers per year in the last 25 years might disagree.

The Buhanka is still in production, and represents 1/3 of the manufacturer’s output to this day.

Wilbur
Wilbur
1 day ago

I would also be in favor of the return of a modern Jeep FC Van. Jeep Forward Control M-679 Ambulance

4jim
4jim
21 hours ago
Reply to  Wilbur

as would I.

Studmuffin
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Studmuffin
1 day ago

I thought nothing looked as bad as a spare tire stuck on the tailgate of an SUV, until I saw this sketch of a van with the tire in the front.

Studmuffin
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Studmuffin
1 day ago

Aftermarket has largely solved the sliding door issue, they just make the pivot rod thingy a bit longer which pushes the back side of the door further away from the body.

Navarre
Navarre
23 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

And there was much rejoicing!

Data
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Data
23 hours ago
Reply to  Navarre
Adam Schluck
Adam Schluck
23 hours ago
Reply to  Studmuffin

Could we not get a semi-gull wing door on one side? Think more the doors under a greyhound bus. And when you are parked you could pivot the door so that it becomes an awning for the indoor-outdoor feel.

Tj1977
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Tj1977
1 day ago

Looks an awful lot like the Sharalaxy to me…which is a great thing. I think those vans are great looking and can’t wait to import a Ford version.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 day ago

Isn’t a BOF Minivan just a regular van? I thought that was the difference between the two?

Studmuffin
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Studmuffin
1 day ago

The frame no longer really applies. Sprinters and Transit vans don’t have tradition frames that I can discern. Minivans are just that…small vans. Astro vans were shrunk-down versions of real vans, even though they had frames.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
23 hours ago
Reply to  Studmuffin

Yeah, that’s why Ford kept the old Econoline cutaway cab in production for the aftermarket upfitters that need the separate chassis

4jim
4jim
21 hours ago

Huge size difference. Full size vans are much wider, longer and taller.

Nocalray
Nocalray
1 day ago

This reminds me of my old 1987 Toyota 4WD LE van I drove 230,000 miles.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 day ago

I don’t see why minivans need to be “cool”. They just need to be practical.

People need to get over being “cool”. You are a soccer mom, you are not cool. Buy the right vehicle for the job.

Sporting station wagons are cool simply because you can have the same performance and handling with an added dose of practicality – so why not? Old plywood pleasure palace boat wagons really aren’t cool, though I have a soft spot for them.

Navarre
Navarre
23 hours ago
Reply to  A Nonymous

Oh, that’s sick!

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
17 hours ago
Reply to  A Nonymous

And, if you can rotate the hood of the Toyota concept a bit more, Jason gets his “bistro” table.

I do so much enjoy the links to other images, designs, websites, etc. It adds a lot to each comment. So, Thank You for the links.

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
11 hours ago
Reply to  A Nonymous

This thing is more Honda Element / Toyota Tercel 4wd size though. I still want one badly its ugly in an adorable way.

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
1 day ago

This is what the Canoo was going to be. I was ready to throw my money at them, but now I’m stuck with a Toyota that constantly sounds chimes for everything.

OnlySmallCars
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OnlySmallCars
1 day ago

This looks like something VW coulda/shoulda made instead of the ID.Buzz.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 day ago
Reply to  OnlySmallCars

The only real issue with the ID.Buzz was the price tag, which was stupid. And the name.

DiscoPotato
DiscoPotato
1 day ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

And the fact that they didn’t sell the California edition in California. It’s blasphemy I tell you!

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
23 hours ago
Reply to  DiscoPotato

Seriously?!?

VWoA is a special kind of special.

DiscoPotato
DiscoPotato
22 hours ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Lol, yep.

There are two.

A California Van gas-powered variant.

https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en/new-vehicles/california.html

and ID.Buzz California camper version.

https://insideevs.com/news/806460/volkswagen-id-buzz-ev-van-camper/

Last edited 22 hours ago by DiscoPotato
Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
22 hours ago
Reply to  DiscoPotato

I knew about the European Californias, be we didn’t get those vans at all anyway. Having a California ID.Buzz though – that’s crazy.

Data
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Data
1 day ago
Reply to  OnlySmallCars

I like this more than the ID.Buzz. The more I see the Buzz, the less I like it.
ID.Bishop FTW!

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 day ago

Who said Minivans weren’t cool?

Dan1101
Dan1101
1 day ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

People too obsessed with looking cool. Being cool is a state of mind.

V10omous
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V10omous
1 day ago

I’m afraid that sliding rear doors might run into issues with the addition of big off-road tires, so I’ve replaced them with hinged doors.

Well now you might as well just get a Suburban.

4jim
4jim
1 day ago

Love it all. Reminds me a bit of the old Mitsubishi Delica vans I see at some overlanding meet ups. Just make sure the thing would have real metal rocker protection, metal skid plates and room in the back for a 6ft person to sleep flat and then take our money.

Vanagan
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Vanagan
1 day ago
Reply to  4jim

This is exactly what I thought the inspiration was. It looks very much like a 90’s Delica Star Wagon van.

Vanagan
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Vanagan
1 day ago
Reply to  The Bishop

There are a number of them that drive around me here in the PNW, all different variants too. It’s fun to see them.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 day ago

Well, SOME people want new UAZs, not many, but some, since they do sell about 11,000 452 vans per year. Which isn’t much, but it also almost twice the volume of the new Dodge Charger

4jim
4jim
1 day ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

I want a UAZ bread loaf but I would do an engine/trans and axle swap asap.

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