Good morning! Since we did cars with really low mileage yesterday, I thought today we’d go the other way, and look at a couple of vehicles with a crap-ton of miles on them, well over 300,000 each. Even more astounding, they’re both one-owner vehicles.
I feel like I accomplished something important yesterday: I got you all to vote for a K car over a Cadillac. All it took was a busted TH440-T4 and a set of cheesy eBay LED headlights. I get the feeling you were right about the Caddy–someone’s grandson already got their hands on it, did a bunch of stupid things to it, and now is trying to make a quick buck off it. The Reliant is a lot more honest car.


Me, I actually like K cars, so this is an easy choice. Besides, I’ve already owned a FWD Cadillac, and as nice as it was to drive on the highway, it was an absolute nightmare to do any repairs on. I’ll never touch another transverse V8 unless it’s behind the seats of a Ferrari– which probably means I’ll never touch another transverse V8.
I’ve always admired people who can buy a new car, drive it for years and years, rack up a ton of miles, and take care of it. I set out to do it once, with a brand-new Mazda Protege, but after four years and 70,000 miles, circumstances changed, and I traded it in on something else. The original owners of these two made it quite a bit longer, and took good enough care of them that they both still run and drive fine. Let’s check them out.
2001 Toyota Tundra DX – $3,800

Engine/drivetrain: 3.4-liter dual overhead cam V6, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Burbank, CA
Odometer reading: 342,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
For decades, American automakers had one vehicle market all to themselves: full-size trucks. That all changed in the mid-1990s, when Toyota introduced the T100, which was basically a scaled-up version of its popular small truck. The T100 was successful, but hampered by the fact that it wasn’t quite as big as domestic offerings, it offered only a six-cylinder engine, and it was manufactured in Japan and therefore subject to the 25% “chicken tax” tariff on imported trucks. Toyota replaced the T100 in 1999 with the Tundra, which was larger, available with a V8 engine, and built in the US–which meant no tariff.

This Tundra doesn’t have the V8; it has the base engine, a 3.4 liter V6 that was also used in the contemporary 4Runner. It makes 190 horsepower, plenty for a work truck, and drives the rear wheels through a four-speed automatic transmission. It’s a good durable powertrain, as witnessed by this truck’s 342,000 miles. It runs and drives just fine, though it does leak some oil from the oil pan gasket.

It’s a single cab with a bench seat, like a good truck should be. All those miles are hard on interior parts, but apart from the driver’s end of the seat, this one actually looks pretty good. You’d have to sit in the seat to know how much padding is left in it, but it looks promising. It has air conditioning, and the seller says it works fine.

It’s honestly scruffy on the outside, with all the little dings and scrapes that a truck incurs naturally while earning its keep. It has a tonneau cover over the bed, which can either be a help or a hindrance, depending on the load you intend to haul. It’s easy enough to remove if you don’t need it. It has cheesy plastic hubcaps, but behind them are four new Yokohama tires, a nice bonus.
2015 Dodge Grand Caravan – $2,000

Engine/drivetrain: 3.6-liter dual overhead cam V6, six-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Niles, IL
Odometer reading: 370,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives, I think
Three hundred and forty thousand miles over the course of twenty-four years is impressive, but it’s just a natural result of a durable vehicle being used regularly for a long time. But here we have a vehicle that has racked up even more miles in less than half the time. Somebody spent a lot of time in the driver’s seat of this van over the past decade.

This is the Dodge Caravan in its final form, offered only in long-wheelbase size and with only one drivetrain: Chrysler’s 3.6-liter “Pentastar” V6 and a six-speed automatic transmission. This engine has a hit-or-miss reliability record, but it sounds like failures happen early on if they happen at all, and the ones that don’t fail run forever. 370,000 miles isn’t forever, but it is a hell of a life for an engine, and it sounds like this one isn’t done yet. It’s a little hard to ascertain its condition because the ad reads like a bad imitation of a William Carlos Williams poem, but they don’t say it doesn’t run, so I’m going to assume it does.

We only get this one photo of the inside, and it’s not much to go on. It looks worn, as you’d expect, but not abused. These vans have one design feature I always thought was cool: the gearshift lever comes out of the dash, to the right of the steering wheel, like the old A-series Dodge vans of the ’60s. It’s a little thing, but anything you can do to make a minivan more interesting helps.

These last few years of Caravans seem to have been available in any color you wanted as long as it was white. I’ve probably seen other colors, but if so, I sure don’t remember. It’s a little scruffy and banged-up here and there, but not too bad considering the mileage. It is an Illinois car, which means you should check underneath and make sure the road salt hasn’t done a number on it.
Both of these sellers got their money’s worth out of these vehicles, no doubt about that. But it also begs the question: why sell them now? Is it just a desire for a change, finally? Or is there some impending failure they’re avoiding by jumping ship before it happens? A careful inspection is always a good idea, but with cars with this many miles, it seems especially important. Providing they both check out, which one are you going for: the Toyota truck, or the Dodge van for about half the price?
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Two vehicles, rolling north of 300k, one a Toyota and one a Dodge. Which do I take? Are you kidding me? Toyota, although it’s not the one I’d have given a choice. Still waiting to find a frozen Tundra from Lambeau Field.
That Caravan is a pretty good deal. If it lasts more than a year out of it you’ll have gotten your money’s worth. I would take the Tundra however because it probably has more life in it and I don’t want to deal with the hassle of swapping vehicles again in a year or two. Some people move from jalopy to jalopy and don’t mind constantly having to watch for their next vehicle, but that’s not for me.
” I got an 8 foot bed that don’t need to be made”, I’m a pick up man.
Paging David Tracy. David Tracy, come to Shitbox Showdown. The vehicle you need to ferry Delmar in is available there. It is built for kids and you will not care at all if he coats the interior with bodily fluids.
As for me, Tundra aaaaaall day.
I was thinking the same thing, except it is an Illinois car. If the locations were switched it would be a no brainer.
Nah. Being an Illinois car just gives DT an opportunity to relive his rusty Michigan days.
I’ve had three of the Dodge/Chrysler vans. None of them have been a problem. The first two I kept from new up to 200,000 miles. No big issues. The current one has 150,000 again with no issues. Buying them at 100k to 150k miles makes great sense. new parts are cheap. Used parts are plentiful. So much so that you can easily find paint matching body parts. They are easy to work on and certainly within the capability of a diy mechanic. There are also dealer level scan tool apps available. Apart from off-road and towing, they will do everything you ask of them.
That said. 370,000 miles is a parts car. But a base model parts car doesn’t make sense. You’d want the loaded one to harvest the good stuff. I’d take the Toyota.
Chrysler is such a weird company. On one hand they make some of the biggest pieces of junk. But OTOH I know a ton of people who owned both their minivans and the older XJs and had an insane amount of miles on them. My best friend owned a 1996 Cherokee that he inherited from his dad. He was about the sloppiest person when it came to maintenance and changed the oil only when he remembered it was something you should do on occasion. Still, it was still running fine when he sold it was over 550,000 miles. A former co-worker owned a Dodge Caravan that had an absolutely trashed interior and was used to haul crap. Over 350,000 miles…
High-milage Toyota from Cali versus anything from the Rust Belt? That’s a no-brainer in favor of the Toyota. Even if things are about to need fixing on the truck, it’ll be easier without rust and stuck fasteners.
This was my train of thought. No way am I picking a high mileage van from Illinois over a work truck from SoCal. Both will need wrenching, but I will take the one that isn’t pure rust 100% of the time.
I went Grand Caravan. Used to have a prefacelift Town & Country of this generation and thoroughly enjoyed it. I’m surprised to see that radio and that center console, or lack thereof. I thought they were both changed post facelift but I guess not, at least for the lower trims. The first two years of pentastars tended to burn oil, and most of the 2011s and 2012s you see for sale seem to have that issue, but 2013 and up had that issue resolved. The transmissions are on the fragiler side but as long as you get the fluid changed when needed and don’t overload the van you’ll likely be fine.
Look how looonnngggg the bed is on that Tundra. So enticingly long. Oh yean, and it will last a lonnnnnngggg time.
I’ll take a high mileage Toyota over a high mileage Dodge any day of the week.
I’m not even a truck guy—I can borrow one from work when needed every year or two—but an honest simple truck does appeal to me.
Especially since it’s 2wd: that means I won’t spend $12k on tires&lifts& gearing&….
Tundra all the way
That truck will last another 300,000 miles at least! The minivan would have me sweating every time I even thought about starting it. I’ll take the actually reliable truck over the “You’ve been lucky” minivan.
I voted for the Tundra for reliability, but honestly don’t want either. For same or only slightly more money, I think you could find something with a lot less miles.
True, one of my co-workers sold his rust-free 2000 Tundra Access Cab Limited with the V8 for $4500 last month. It had less than 200K miles and it was that nice shade of dark green Toyota used back then. The ad didn’t last long
Tundra, no question.
And that’s a roll-up tonneau cover, so you don’t even need to remove it to haul tall things. Just roll it up and out of your way.
Tundra for sure. It’s an honest, ready to work truck with probably no rust issues. Even if the motor/trans finally went there are plenty of replacements out there and it’ll be far easier to fix. The Dodge just wouldn’t make sense to keep running if either finally went.
The only thing good about the Caravan is the stow and go seating… which the seller has decided we don’t need to see.
Yeah, I’m going with the Tundra. By the way, that’s a rolling tonneau cover, so it moves out of the way unlike some other bed cover options.
The Toyota feels an honest vehicle. It also has less to go wrong with it.
The Dodge is out there to be the lowest cost of initial purchase for someone looking for the largest vehicle possible. I would not trust a Dodge/Chrysler minivan with half that mileage. So much can and will go wrong – but, hey, parts are plentiful.
Tundra, all day long. Everyone needs a beater pick-up to go to Home Depot and the dump….Who the hell needs a minivan that has already outlived its life expectancy by 270,000 miles?
Rust-free California Toyota truck versus rust-belt Chrysler van with the same mileage?
Both could equally have a catastrophic failure, sure, but I’d rather play Russian roulette with a revolver than a Glock 17.
I’ll fix the oil pan leak and use the truck for the occasional light-duty but dirty job.
I hate this, but I voted for the van. The Tundra is great, but in my neck of the woods trucks are more useful in 4wd. The 2001 model was before they added VVT, so even with a V6 you will get like 12mpg in town and maybe 18 on the highway (so, V8 fuel economy).
The minivan has more power. It can tow more than well enough for my needs. Will it be as reliable as the Tundra going forward? Probably not, but for the price it better fits my needs.
I have an 07 Tundra with the 2UZ 4.7L V8 and I would LOVE to get 18 on the highway… I think I can maybe get 16 on a good day, but with city driving mixed in, I average like 13 combined. It hurts, but for doing house renovations the truck is a game changer.
Watching the I Do Cars teardown of a 5.7L 3UR (the UZ replacement) makes me think that Toyota makes some really well-designed V8s that are built for durability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16QSew3rKeo
Not to be an entirely pedantic Toyota person, but technically the 4.6L 1UR was the replacement for the 2UZ, as the 3UR 5.7 was offered as the V8 above the 2UZ, and when the 2UZ was dropped around 2010 the 1UR was what they put in. Similarly the 2UZ in the GX470 was replaced with the 1UR in the next gen GX460, but if your point is the UR line replaced the UZ then you are correct. The 4.6L 1UR actually has a few issues like the valley plate leaking coolant, but the 3UR AFAIK is pretty damn stout, and it is about a 100hp/lb-ft bump of the 2UZ. I actually haven’t experienced any UR series engines, and while the UZ family is thirsty and not super powerful, they’re absurdly reliable and as smooth as butter, and despite DTs hatred of timing belts, the entire UZ family is known to be a million-mile capable engine with only routine maintenance.
Yeah, just meant that the UR engine family replaced the UZ.
Hilarious to look at that UR teardown and then go watch one of the modulars he’s done. Toyota’s design is a lot more thoughtful vs the “just dump the fasteners on like sprinkles” approach.
Yeah every Ford I’ve worked on has been a complete disaster to work on due to clear apathy and lack of forethought. My old GX-470 I had actually had a molded chute in the undertray plastic for the oil filter location, so that if anything dripped it would drain nicely along the chute, and the drain plug had an easily accessible hole in the metal skid pan. My buddies Fusion cabin air filter on the other hand, required removing 3 pieces of trim, 6 bolts, 2 screws, and the entire glove box assembly. I won’t deny my bias towards japanese cars, but I like to think it’s at least somewhat well founded.
A cheap Grand Caravan is going to wind up being expensive.
The Pentastar is a good engine, the Grand Caravan was a good value.
340K upper-midwest miles, though? That’s impressive in the way Giles Corey kept saying “more weight” when they tried to crush a confession out of him during the Salem Witch Trials.
Compare that Tundra that appears to need a bit of upholstery repair and a general spiffening to the string of absolutely disgusting F-Series that have been included here.
That truck runs on the fountain of youth. Good truck. Good price. Winner.
My parents, now in their 80s, are on their fourth Chrysler minivan since 1991 and it’s this exact generation. It’s the most uncomfortable and most soul crushing to drive of all other generation of minivans. I’m much rather walk then drive that thing. It’s a genuine dream smasher.
I’m not a fan of these old Toyota Tundras, but at least it’s an honest pickup that will handle some household hauling needs, but since it’s in SoCal it will likely find itself precariously overloaded with light construction equipment driving dangerously slow along one of the fine Los Angeles are freeways.
Toyota – Anyone who’s putting brand name new tires on a vehicle this old will have been maintaining it properly. When I’m buying shitboxes the tires are one of the first things I look at.
If I bought either it would die the next day. I have had bad luck.
That era of V6 Toyota is hilariously overbuilt. The thing is probably at half life. Combine it with a clean, basic truck that appears well cared for, and that’s success.
That Caravan has exceeded it’s expected life 3 fold, and I’d be constantly waiting for the morning I wake up to discover the van has pulled a Master Oogway.
$3,800 is not a lot of money for a functional full sized pickup truck from this century. I wouldn’t use it every day, but it would be pretty perfect for what I’d use it for (yard stuff, towing around 4k lbs.). It’s also from a place that rust isn’t much of factor – can’t say that about the van. Also can’t say the van can tow around 4K either, but good job on the 3K, Pentastar!