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VW Forced To Recall ID.Buzz Because The Seats Are Too Roomy

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Imagine you’re buying a new van. You want something with plenty of seats, and you want it to be roomy and comfortable enough to take on long journeys with your family and friends. You decide on a Volkswagen ID.Buzz, in part because you found the third-row seats to be especially spacious and accomadating. Only then do you find out there’s been a recall for that very reason.

As covered by Road & Track, NHTSA isn’t happy with the US version of the ID.Buzz. The problem with Volkswagen’s electric van is clear: the third row seats are bigger than government regulations allow.

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On the face of it, it sounds like nonsense. Surely automakers can make seats as big as they want, right? Well, actually, no. There are strict rules around the size of third-row seats in the US due to expected customer behaviors.

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“Y’all got room back there? I sure hope not, else Uncle Sam’ll have something to say about it.” Credit: Volkswagen

It all comes down to DSPs, an abbreviation for “designated seating positions.” The third row in the ID.Buzz is designed with two designated seating positions, as is obvious by the two seatbelts provided. The problem is that the seat is too wide to have only two designated seating positions. According to the recall notice, “the calculated seating surface width of the third-row rear bench exceeds the maximum value specified in 49 CFR Part 571.10 for two (2) DSPs.” Thus, the ID.Buzz is in violation of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

Basically, the authorities think the seat is wide enough that you’ll sneakily put three people in the third row, even though there are only two seatbelts. This would mean that the unsecured passenger would be at increased risk of injury in a crash.

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The rear seating area of the three-row ID.Buzz. Credit: Volkswagen

To meet the regulations, Volkswagen should have made the seats narrower to avoid this temptation. It doesn’t matter that the owner’s manual states the seating capacity quite clearly, nor that there are only two seatbelts. The physical dimensions still have to be small enough to meet the regulations.

The “cause” of the recall is quite amusing—NHTSA documents list it as an “error in the interpretation of 49 CFR Part 571.10.” That basically means the engineers and designers at Volkswagen read the regulations, but misunderstood their intended meaning.

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The formula for calculating the number of required DSPs for a given seating surface width. Credit: federal regulations
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An example of measurements taken from seating surfaces. Credit: federal regulations

In this case, the recall might seem a bit frivolous. The third row seating very obviously has two distinct seating positions and is not intended to have a third person sitting in the middle. It’s a back row for children and small-to-medium monogamous couples with no third wheels.

At the same time, it’s easy to understand why this regulation exists. If it didn’t, automakers could fit super-wide bench seats in cars and vans with only one seatbelt, claiming they only counted as one seating position. Obviously, such a design would encourage using the benches without seatbelts, and this would have negative safety implications. Volkswagen’s error is easier to understand as a mistake rather than a genuine attempt to circumvent the rules.

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“They’re just too bloody spacious! SHUT IT DOWN!” Credit: Volkswagen

Thankfully, the fix is not too onerous. An additional trim will be fitted into the third-row seating area which will effectively reduce the available seating surface to be in compliance with the regulations. Owners will be hoping the trim doesn’t cut too far into the seating area to the point that it disrupts passenger comfort. Volkswagen is recalling 5,637 examples of the ID.Buzz, which likely covers all examples brought to the US at this stage.

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It’s an oddball mistake to make on Volkswagen’s part, that much is certain. Automakers employ huge numbers of engineers and spend many billions on developing new vehicles, and it’s rare that they miss an obvious part of a long-standing regulation. It seems likely that one or more engineers over at headquarters will have bratwurst on their faces after this one.

Image credits: federal regulations, Volkswagen

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RunFlat
RunFlat
8 minutes ago

What a shame, they will ruin the road trip experience because now we will be back to:

MOM…she’s touching me……
Stop touching me….
MOM !!!!

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
43 minutes ago

I recall something like this with Landrover Defender 110s in the UK in the early oughts. Because the 12 seat version was a considered minibus it was taxed at a lower rate than a 10 seater so lots of people bought them. Then driver’s licensing changed and newer drivers needed a bus endorsement to drive a 12 seater. The cheap fix was to shorten the benches in the way back by 6″ and remove 2 seat belts. Thus making a 10 seater.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
44 minutes ago

I really want to see how the OTA update to fix this works.

Andrew Bugenis
Andrew Bugenis
48 minutes ago

Lame, but also I remember fitting five of my cousins in the back seat of a Caprice in the early 90s while another cousin sat with my two grandparents on the front bench, so I can see it.

The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
19 minutes ago
Reply to  Andrew Bugenis

we still climb in a trunk on occasion when there’s 7 people and 5 seats

I just really make sure to remind the driver to not get rear ended

Akio
Akio
49 minutes ago

My Volvo C30 has a center arm rest in the rear that can be folded up on the global models, but not on the USDM models. I was always told it was so Americans wouldn’t try to put three people back there, but had no idea there was actually a regulation about it!

Lincoln Clown CaR
Lincoln Clown CaR
2 hours ago

So Type R’s only have two seating positions in the back seat, for maximum load reasons, and they just plop two cup holders on the bottom cushion in the center. I always wondered why they didn’t use a normal Civic seat back there with an armrest and just leave out the middle seatbelt. Now I know.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
2 hours ago

WOW that is fucking stupid. Time to harmonize and accept the international UNECE standards.

So what’s the fix? Putting a console or divider between the seats? A minivan can never have enough cupholders LOL

Here’s the additional trim that will be wedged between the seats:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81i4Y0eXwaL.jpg

Last edited 2 hours ago by Dogisbadob
A Reader
A Reader
2 hours ago

This is among the most stupid things about the Buzz – as I’ve ranted before, if you are buying a minivan you almost certainly want three small back row seats instead of two ginormous ones. Basically every real minivan has three seats in the way back row – I cannot find any examples that do this. Situations where you are carrying six full grown adults certainly exist, but you can still make two big seats in the back row and add in a mini third seat space. I find it hilarious that VW screwed this up so royally just based on practical purposes, and also that this is in fact not a way that you can legally design it. Put another damn seatbelt in back there!!!

The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
16 minutes ago
Reply to  A Reader

having ridden in the back row of a Chryster town an country as an adult male, I can happily tell you that they were not meant to sit 3 unless they were very small children.

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
2 hours ago

Oh maaan, NHTSA would have hated what we did with Fieros back in the day. You can cram six people into one if you’re really friendly and willing.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Max Headbolts
Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 hours ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

I may or may not have had 4 people in the back of an RX-8 once upon a time. Only three up front. It was honestly far more comfortable that you’d expect.

Max Headbolts
Max Headbolts
2 hours ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

I had three friends that did a six hour road trip in a CRX once, third person hung out in the hatch.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 hours ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

Considering the CRX had a backseat in foreign markets, that honestly doesn’t even sound that bad.

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
2 hours ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

We used a CRX as a family car back in the day. My sister and I in the back (heads down or with a blanket covering us) and my parents in the front seats.

Last edited 2 hours ago by RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
The Spirit of Jalopnik Past
15 minutes ago
Reply to  Max Headbolts

3 in the seat and one across heir lap is pretty standard in high school when yu have more bodies than seats

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