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What It Was Like Riding On The Highway In Some Of The Craziest Seats Ever Put In A Car

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Since I was a child, I’ve had a dream. A simple dream, perhaps even a stupid dream, but a dream nevertheless. It’s a dream that should be achievable, but has proven elusive for many, many years. It’s a dream of freedom, a dream of adventure, a dream of the feeling of wind in your hair and exhaust in your lungs and bugs on the back of your head. It’s a dream of turning a desperate ploy to thread a loophole in a strange law into a manifesto about the joys of motion.

It’s a dream of riding in those ridiculous seats in the back of a Subaru BRAT.

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You know the ones, right? Two plastic seats with a pair of grab handles each, bolted backwards into the bed of the little truck. Those seats exist not because anyone actually wanted them there, but to allow the BRAT to pass through a loophole in a tariff that was the result of America being too good at chicken farming. The so-called Chicken Tax.

I covered this back at the Old Site, and we’ve covered it in more detail here, but essentially it’s like this: Europe was mad that America was flooding the market with cheap frozen chickens, so they put a huge tariff on delicious American chickens, so to retaliate President Johnson signed Proclamation 3564 into law, which put tariffs on imported potato starch, Dextrine, and light duty trucks. The tariff for trucks was an astounding 25%!

Image: Volkswagen

The original target of the Chicken Tax was mostly Volkswagen Type 2 pickup trucks and cargo vans, but the tariff covered all imported cargo vehicles, which included those from Japan, like the BRAT.

There was a workaround, though! If you could convince the government that your vehicle wasn’t a truck but instead a passenger car, then you would just have the usual 2.5% tariff, and not the crippling 25% one! So what do passenger cars have that cargo vehicles don’t? Seats!

Images: Subaru

Yes, Subaru bolted a pair of seats into the bed of the BRAT so they could say, look, this is a little four-passenger car! And people believed it!

Subaru really leaned into the seats-in-the-bed thing, featuring people cavorting and gleefully enjoying those seats in their ads:

I remember seeing these ads as a kid, and seeing BRATs and their funny plastic seats and wanting, desperately, to try them out. It was those handles that really got me: each seat had a pair of rubberized handgrips that were a lot like the handlebar grips on a BMX bike, promising some intense adventures from those seats.

I’m telling you all this because just this past weekend, David Tracy and I got a chance to ride in those seats on a Subaru BRAT, and it was sublime. We even got to go on the 405 freeway! Which was sorta terrible and wonderful!

Here, just watch:

So what is it like to ride in those seats? I mean, it’s fun, in the way that riding in any pickup bed is fun, but there’s an extra, mildly unhinged intentionality about it here, because, you know, they actually put some damn seats in the thing.

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The seats are a little more upright than you’d guess, and since they’re mounted on a flat truck bed, your legs are going to be stretched out, but that’s fine, as there’s plenty of legroom.

There’s also infinite headroom, which is great until you realize your head is actually over the roofline of the truck, so in the event of a rollover, your spine will be acting as the roll bar, which I’m told many chiropractors feel is “not ideal.”

Brat Ext

Around town, it’s a hell of a lot of fun – it’s like being in a convertible facing backwards, but with even less around you, as you’re basically just sitting in a bathtub.

On the highway, it’s a bit more punishing than fun; even though you’re facing backwards, the wind whips all around your face, flinging dust and dirt into your eyes, and the sensation of acceleration in reverse is a bit odd. You also feel extremely exposed, because you are, and there’s other cars whizzing right by your shoulder and the road is right there below you, sandpapery asphalt flowing past in a never-ending ribbon of danger – the whole experience is, um, engaging.

I can only imagine what a multi-hour road trip would have been like in the back of a BRAT. David is skeptical, but I believe it must have happened, many times, during the 1970s and 1980s when our ideas of what “safe” meant were, let’s just say more impressionistic.

Brat Maybach

There have to be some people out there who, as kids, had to endure four or five hours of highway travel in the bed seats of a BRAT to go to Thanksgiving at their weird cousins’ place or something. They’d arrive all dazed and filthy and tousled, then immediately get tackled by some huge family dog and spend the rest of the visit flinching at the slightest movement.

I love the BRAT’s audacity with these seats. I love Subaru’s solution to the Chicken Tax problem, the defiant obeying of the letter of the law while holding down the spirit and slapping it around a bit.

Brat Legs

Because these seats are from the factory, they’re legal to use in most states, which is hilarious when you think about how unsafe they are compared to absolutely any other modern-ish thing on the road.

They’re terrible and wonderful, clever, absurd things, and I feel a sense of peace now that I’ve gotten to experience them. Sure, our world is safer and more rational now that it doesn’t allow this sort of madness, but I think we’ve also lost something.

 

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Aaron Berga
Aaron Berga
4 months ago

I still have disappointment in the fact that the Brat I bought used many many years ago was missing those seats. Someone well before me decided it would work better with a topper on it, which went directly to the junk yard.

99 Sport
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99 Sport
4 months ago

Better not let the Autopian resident seat belt enforcer Brian Silvestro see this! (“I can’t fathom why you’d ever want to drive or ride in a car without wearing a seatbelt.”)

Not only is this unsafe – it’s illegal
California Code, Vehicle Code – VEH § 23116
(a) No person driving a pickup truck or a flatbed motortruck on a highway shall transport any person in or on the back of the truck.

California Code, Vehicle Code – VEH § 27315
(d)(1) A person shall not operate a motor vehicle on a highway unless that person and all passengers 16 years of age or over are properly restrained by a safety belt. 

When I was a kid, it was a commons sight to see laborers riding unsecured (with no seats or belts) in the back of pickup trucks on the freeway. The change in safety culture between my childhood and today is hard for me to wrap my mind around – it’s why there are no 2000 pound cars anymore. We’re safer, but we have less fun. Someday we’ll all be chauffeured (autonomously) around in armored vehicles.

Rippstik
Rippstik
4 months ago
Reply to  99 Sport

I think you missed this… it’s not a pickup truck; it’s a passenger car. LEGAL.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Rippstik

A delightful legal technicality. Personally, if I owned one the first thing I would do is bolt some lap belts in the thing. Easy-peasy, then there is no question.

It’s still quite legal for adults (18 and up) to ride in the bed of a pickup here in Florida. In my other state of Maine, agricultural workers still can too.

I spent TONS of time in the back of pickups as a kid. Only knew of one person who died that way… <eek> Also knew a kid who managed to open the back door of the family truckster, fell out, and got her head run over by the back tire. She lived, but she looked a little funny after that.

99 Sport
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99 Sport
4 months ago
Reply to  Rippstik

They weren’t wearing seat belts. In the video they point out the seat belts were broken.

California Code, Vehicle Code – VEH § 27315
(d)(1) A person shall not operate a motor vehicle on a highway unless that person and all passengers 16 years of age or over are properly restrained by a safety belt

ILLEGAL

As for it being a passenger car – that depends on the feeling of the law enforcement officer and the judge you happen to get. Going to be lots of fun in court making that argument.

Back in the 90s I was pulled over in my Model A (no seat belts and never had them). I did manage to convince the officer I was grandfathered (she didn’t much care for the single yellow brake light either), but it took some convincing and I think a lot of officers would have written the ticket and gone on their way

Last edited 4 months ago by 99 Sport
FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
4 months ago
Reply to  99 Sport

In Texas, its still very common for laborers to ride in the back of trucks.

Gen3 Volt
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Gen3 Volt
4 months ago

Reason number infinity why I’d never live there and avoid spending one dime there.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
4 months ago
Reply to  99 Sport

It originally should have had seatbelts as I remember them back in the day (just lap belts, I think), though even if they were present, 40 odd years of UV and weather would likely render them worthless for much more than meeting the letter of the law.

EDIT: I just looked this up and it seems that they might not have been standard. I know I saw one with them when it was pretty new, but that might have been an option or cobbled together, IDK.

Last edited 4 months ago by Cerberus
Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
4 months ago

Up through the 80’s it was legal to ride in the back of pickup trucks here in CA.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
4 months ago

Aww, brings back a memory of laying in the bed of the family Datsun pickup as we road-tripped to SoCal, looking up at the luridly-colored night sky as we descended the Grapevine and entered Los Angeles.

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
4 months ago

Wow either I’m tall or your short. My experience is the roof was below my head.

Fun fact brat was never sold in japan.

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
4 months ago
Reply to  Xt6wagon

Also i cant recommend it but I entered it in sm, while all the other 2 seat things were sm2, yay rear buckets and a quoted 75hp so no one argues with you.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Xt6wagon

I’ve heard that before. It seems really odd as they did make them in RHD, they were fairly popular utes in OZ, NZ, and the UK. But I assume they didn’t get the seats in the bed. I wonder if Canada did as standard equipment for that matter?

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

My guess is they preferred selling a kei truck if they wanted to sell a truck in japan.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Xt6wagon

Sure, but Japan was perfectly happy to allow grey market imports, so some still made it there. Just seems funny to not at least offer them, even if the take rate was small, given they were all built there anyway. Car makers do odd things all over.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Good question! After ~2 minutes on Google, it appears that they did have the seats in Canada, with no mention of them being optional. They wouldn’t have been needed legally, but I can imagine it simplified distribution, and you know, they were kind of fun, so why not keep them?

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 months ago
Reply to  Xt6wagon

It is surprising that there was never a JDM Leone Truck, nor did Subaru make a 2wd version of the pickup anywhere in the world.

Highland Green Miata
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Highland Green Miata
4 months ago

This was before Subaru was all about safety, obviously.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
4 months ago

Aren’t child seats supposed to face backward?

JJ
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JJ
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

…how hard would it be to add LATCH anchors to these?

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
4 months ago

I hope the seat belt chime for these isn’t too easy to turn off.

LarriveeC05
LarriveeC05
4 months ago

I’m absolutely jelly that you guys got to ride bitch in a Brat. But I had no idea those things had the cyclops eye!?! That is so cool.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
4 months ago
Reply to  LarriveeC05

All Subarus of that style had it as an option on the 4WD, IIRC. They weren’t very common as I tried to find a good one for my ’83 and ’84 GLs (a little different front end, so I would have had to mod my grille), but only found one in a JY, which wasn’t any good. I don’t know how much they really help, but they were really damn cool. I miss weird Subaru.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
4 months ago

If you’re riding several hours to a family reunion Thanksgiving in the back seats of a BRAT, you are the weird cousins.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
4 months ago

I have ridden in the bed of a BRAT in those jump seats. ‘Twas the 80’s, and a simpler time…

I remember looking at the handles and thinking “I don’t need those.”

As soon as we started moving, I grabbed them and held on like my life depended on it. And it probably did. We weren’t going very fast or far, but with every movement the car made, I felt like I was going to fall out. I don’t know why it felt so much more dangerous than riding in a normal pickup bed, but certain death seemed imminent.

It was fun, though.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

The sides are a lot lower to start with, and you are sitting higher. And Brats are quite bouncy due to the short wheelbase and stiffer suspension than ye olde ‘Murican truck. BTDT.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

It definitely felt more like you sat ON the truck than IN it.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Yup – very much agree – terrifying. I have no desire to ever do it again.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Seeing DT and Torch sitting in the back of that little truck it looks like they raised the center of gravity a good foot or so

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
4 months ago

Oh the memories of riding in those seats back in the 80s. The seats weren’t too bad when you were on the road, but they were terrible once you left the pavement. Since I grew up in farm country, most of my experience in the back of a Brat was gravel and dirt roads and trails. The grab handles were critical to staying inside the thing, and we fashioned a rope “seat belt” as a second line of defense. It is memories like that where I feel lucky to still be alive…

Timbales
Timbales
4 months ago

I mostly remember the Subaru Brat as the vehicle of choice for the short-lived Saturday Morning MTV influenced cartoon “Kidd Video” about a pop music band who is transported from the real world to a cartoon universe called The Flipside.

Grayvee280
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Grayvee280
4 months ago
Reply to  Timbales

I watched that cartoon!

Zerosignal
Zerosignal
4 months ago

in the event of a rollover, your spine will be acting as the roll bar

Given the lack of seatbelts, I’m pretty sure if there’s a rollover, you won’t have to worry about being a rollbar.

Last edited 4 months ago by Zerosignal
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Trust Doesn't Rust
4 months ago
Reply to  Zerosignal

One of the rare instances where you’re probably better off getting flung out of the car.

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
4 months ago

I wish I could have taken you for a ride in my BRAT before I sold it. I had the seats in the back, but three of the handgrips were gone and the headrests were not there. Or the seatbelts, which I don’t think were common. And I didn’t have brakes. And I had to run it out of a jerrycan of gas in the bed with you.

But dude, I spent plenty of time chilling out in those seats in front of my house. As a ride down the street it left something to be desired, but as a place to chill out for a drink? A+

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
4 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

I should also add that when I went to insure it, at least one insurance company (that I ultimately didn’t use) asked me about the seats. I think they might have wanted me to remove or disable them or at least sign something saying no one would use them.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
4 months ago

People for sure used these for road trips in the 70’s and 80’s. I knew a family in the 80’s that was even worse in this regard. They were a family of five, who only had one vehicle for several years. It was a regular cab Ranger. The oldest two children spent years riding exclusively in the bed of the Ranger. At least the BRAT would have had actual seats for them!

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

One time in college I managed to get five people from my house to our school in the cab of the Old Man’s regular cab pickup. It was dead of winter moving back from winter break with all our crap in the bed, and too cold for anyone to ride in the bed for four hours anyway. But five in a Ranger – I hope the kids were really small!

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

They weren’t. The two oldest rode in the bed in the winter. They just bundled up. This was in the Chicago area, so it was real winter, not southern fake/occasional winter.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Hardy kids. Or Gen-X who were just thankful to be getting a ride somewhere at all.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
4 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Both, basically. They were a year or three older than me. I was born in ’81. Depending on where you draw the line we’re either the last of Gen X, or the very oldest of the Millennials.

I will say that one of those two hasn’t spoken to their parents in years, and I can’t help but wonder if that experience is a factor in that.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Families put the “fun” in dysfunctional. Mine certainly does. 🙂

Brock Landers
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Brock Landers
4 months ago

Kudos to Torch for that awesome headline! The only thing that would have made it even better was if the road test was carried out in Wisconsin in the dead of winter.

Tbird
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Tbird
4 months ago
Reply to  Brock Landers

That’s what truck caps were for…

J Hyman
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J Hyman
4 months ago
Reply to  Brock Landers

Wisconsin: where this vehicle’s name was pronounced a bit differently

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
4 months ago

Those plastic seats and grab handles scream amusement ride. Anyone that has opened the rear glass on a pickup at speed knows even the slightest bit of detritus will be in your face.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
4 months ago

I remember back when I was kid, all my cousins and me riding in the back of my grandpa pickup truck and he would take us to get ice cream or to the park, even to the cementery to visit family members that were no longer with us. This was in a small town in Mexico and everyone grew up doing this.

When I started to drive my dad pickup (S-10), my friends would ride in the back and we will cruise around the city. We would have a small cooler in the back you know… ope

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
4 months ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

I grew up riding in the bed of a Chevy Luv and then an F150. And now I wouldn’t EVER let my own kids do that. That’s in part because of responsibility and in part because I don’t trust them to not do something stupid and fall out.

Mrbrown89
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Mrbrown89
4 months ago
Reply to  Angry Bob

lol yes, we had common sense back then I think or were more aware of things that could go wrong. FAFO mentality basically.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
4 months ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

My friends and I found a road that if you’re going 60 at one section you’ll probably get about 1-2′ of air, maybe 50′ distance airborne, but have a perfectly smooth landing. In addition to catching air driving an Accord, SVX, Escort, Sentra, RX7, RX8, Caravan and Aerostar, I was also in the back of a Silverado with a friend and a refrigerator we eagerly volunteered to take to the dump. Somehow that doesn’t even come close to the top of the list of all the stupid things I’ve done.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
4 months ago

Wait… it doesn’t even look like there are seatbelts on the damn things!

Also, one of the Brats in the commercial must have braked REALLY hard for shark to end up all the way in Oxford!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headington

TK-421
TK-421
4 months ago

I can feel my car sickness kicking in at the thought.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
4 months ago
Reply to  TK-421

No worries, you can just hose the bed out.

Library of Context
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Library of Context
4 months ago

A friend of mine had these seats in his BRAT, and he went the extra step to install three point seat belts from a UTV for them.

Would still get pulled over by the cops.

JDE
JDE
4 months ago

Oh my, that would be kind of fun to see the rule loving Karen’s and I suppose Police reactions to using those.

while many of us in the midwest grew up jump in the back and riding on a tire to town, these days people come unglued when they see an animal riding back there, let alone a human being.

Hell those 3rd row teslas with rear facing kid seats seems to have caused a few police officers to pull over those units that had them.

Tbird
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Tbird
4 months ago
Reply to  JDE

Sigh, grew up in an era where riding in the bed of a truck was generally ignored by authorities.

JumboG
JumboG
4 months ago
Reply to  Tbird

Ignored because it wasn’t against the law. I remember in my state they finally changed it so a child could only ride in the bed of a truck if the county population was under like 10k people. Everyone is now banned unless they have seat belts (and a few other exemptions.) Who has seatbelts (FMVSS certified ones, no less) in the bed of their truck that has no seats.

Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
Rebadged Asüna Sunrunner
4 months ago
Reply to  JumboG

I’d want to bolt some random junkyard seatbelts into the bed, in completely useless and random locations, and see how it goes

JDE
JDE
4 months ago

I do recall being especially concerned about having to ride against the tail gate. The beds flexed enough and of course the trucks were usually beat enough, that a good pot hole on a washboard gravel road would occasionally drop said tail gate without warning.

Scott
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Scott
4 months ago

I’m still a little confused how having people ride back there is somehow legal, despite the fact that having people ride in the bed of a pickup is not in most places. Just because of the seats/handles and theoretical belts I guess.

JDE
JDE
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott

It was legal to ride in the bed back then too.

And certainly no worse than riding in the back of a jeep with no doors or top on the thing. K5 Blazers and Broncos as well.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott

That’s the thing… as far as the law is concerned, it’s not a “pickup”, therefore it’s not a “bed” for “cargo”! It’s a “passenger compartment”! And also “other things” in “quotation marks”!

Scott
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Scott
4 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I remember the first time that I rode a motorcycle out on traffic-filled public roads… it wasn’t that long ago. Even with a full-face helmet, and a riding jacket, and gloves with those little hard pads over the knuckles… it was amazing how exposed and vulnerable it felt.

I’d be afraid of just getting ejected skywards if I were riding in back and the Brat hit a speedbump going too fast.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott

Even through the 90’s many states only required front passengers to be belted in. Nobody gave a single fuck about people riding in the back of pickup trucks. We did it all the time.

JumboG
JumboG
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

My uncle, who was a physician, made us ride in the bed of his truck while driving from Wilmington to Myrtle Beach.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
4 months ago
Reply to  JumboG

I’m always amazed when I see a doctor smoking a cigarette.

Mechanical Pig
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Mechanical Pig
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Now apparently everybody loses their minds if the seatbelt chime is too easy to turn off…..

Scott
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Scott
4 months ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

I know it happens, but (of course) it’s unsafe, and frowned upon by law enforcement generally. I’ve seen pickups pulled over because a dog was loose in the back.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
4 months ago
Reply to  Scott

It doesn’t happen much anymore. Times have very much changed. Especially now that crew cabs are the default pickup truck.

Data
Data
4 months ago

Those jelly people look like they can barely see over the dashboard of that Mercedes monstrosity. You should have turned and told the driver “must go faster!”.

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