It’s not uncommon for auomakers to buy components from other companies, and there’s rarely any exclusivity agreement saying that company can’t sell that component to someone else as well. Because of this, you can find the same parts in a wide variety of cars. One component often made by a third party is the transmission, particularly if someone builds a really good one. Both of today’s cars have the same transmission, the legendary Borg-Warner T-5 five-speed manual.
Yesterday, we looked at two Chrysler products that (probably) came from the same factory. I thought that the Valian’t relatively high price might put more of you off, but considering its cool factor was off the charts, the poor green Caravan never stood a chance. It put up a good fight, but in the end, who wants a tired old Caravan when that magnificent Valiant wagon is sitting right there?
Not me, that’s for sure. I admire the early Caravans, and if I just needed a cheap car with a lot of space inside, I’d be all over that one. In fact, if I still lived in Portland, I’d probably go check it out just to see. But if it’s a choice between that and the Valiant, I’m spending the extra imaginary money.

You’ve probably heard of the T-5 transmission, and you’ve probably driven a car equipped with one, or one of its predecessors or successors. Originally introduced in 1982 in various AMC models, it became the go-to five-speed transmission for rear-wheel-drive vehicles for most of the 1980s and ’90s. It found its way into everything from the Merkur XR4Ti to the Nissan 300ZX Turbo, as well as various TVR models. But it’s best known for its applications in pony cars and small GM trucks, so today, we’re going to look at one of each of those.
1984 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer Tahoe – $8,500

Engine/drivetrain: 2.8-liter OHV V6, five-speed manual, 4WD
Location: Grass Valley, CA
Odometer reading: 100,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
It’s a little frightening that I’m now old enough to have witnessed the near-extinction of cars that were absolutely everywhere when I was younger. I often don’t even realize they’re almost all gone until I see one. Case in point: the first-generation Chevy S-10 Blazer. These little two-door 4×4 wagons were on every street corner for years. I knew several people who owned them, and I changed the oil in approximately twelve zillion of them at the garage where I used to work. But it has been more than thirty years since this bodystyle graced Chevrolet showrooms, and this is the nicest one I’ve seen in at least ten.

This baby Blazer is powered by a 2.8-liter V6 with a two-barrel carburetor, making 110 horsepower – and believe it or not, this engine was optional. The standard engine was the 2.0-liter four from the Cavalier. The vast majority of buyers weren’t crazy enough to go for the four-cylinder, though; if memory serves, every S-10 Blazer I’ve seen except one has had the V6. The Borg-Warner T5 transmission sends power to an “Insta-Trac” shift-on-the-fly 4WD transfer case, equipped with a low range. This one runs and drives great, and has had a recent complete tune-up, as well as a new battery, brakes, exhaust, and more.

I can’t believe how clean this thing is inside. Most of these Blazers led really hard lives, and the interiors of almost all ended up trashed. This one isn’t quite factory fresh, but it isn’t far off. It’s the Tahoe trim level, so it has stuff like cloth upholstery and carpeting; vinyl and rubber floors were standard. I see an aftermarket stereo, but that’s no surprise; those old Delco stereos had a lifespan of about fifteen years if you were lucky.

It has recently been repainted, and it looks terrific. Seeing a Blazer this clean reminds me of one a co-worker of mine used to have. She washed and waxed it religiously; it was blindingly shiny. We actually made fun of her for it, saying a 4×4 should get dirty once in a while. She tried to take it mudding in a field once, and the mud wouldn’t stick because the paint was so heavily waxed. This Blazer probably could get dirty if you wanted it to, but that fresh new paint is so nice, I don’t see why anyone would.
1985 Ford Mustang GT – $4,500

Engine/drivetrain: 5.0-liter OHV V8, five-speed manual, RWD
Location: Torrance, CA
Odometer reading: 90,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
The third-generation Mustang, commonly known as the Fox body, was a breath of fresh air after the slow, gawky Mustang II, but it took a few years for the new Mustang to find its footing. But by 1985, when this car was built, two key elements of the Mustang formula were back, to the great relief of pony car fans everywhere: some real, legitimate horsepower – and an optional convertible top.

Just in case you never knew, or have forgotten, I need to let you in on Ford’s dirty little secret: the storied “five-point-oh” isn’t really five liters. Not quite. It displaces 4,942 cubic centimeters, which would typically be rounded down to 4.9 liters. But that didn’t look as good on a badge. Regardless, this engine finally put some muscle back under the Mustang’s hood, thanks to massaged cylinder heads, a big-ass four-barrel carb, and a hotter cam. Sometimes the old tricks are the best tricks. Power gets to the rear axle through an improved “World Class” version of the T-5 transmission. This one runs and drives great, according to the seller, and has only 90,000 miles on its odometer.

It’s not in great shape inside, I’m sorry to say. The cracked dash top is one thing, but all the badges and stickers stuck all over it don’t help. The seats and carpet generally look all right; I think a good cleaning would help a lot. Once upon a time, you probably could have hit up your nearest junkyard for a new armrest and horn button, but mid-run Fox bodies have mostly come and gone from junkyards and haven’t yet been picked up by the repro parts industry. But you could probably make an armrest cover, and there are always aftermarket steering wheels.

It looks a lot better outside, except for some scuffs on the bumpers and missing wheel center caps. The seller doesn’t mention it, but the convertible top looks new. That’s a nice bonus. Replacing a convertible top is not an easy task.
Borg-Warner sold the T-5 design to Tremec in 1998, and it remained in production until 2010. But in a way, it lives on; the T-5’s design was the basis for the T-56 six-speed, which was redesigned into the TR-6060 six-speed, which is still in production. And a lot of T-5s still find their way into hot rod projects. There’s a lot of history under the shifter boots of these two cars. Which one would you rather run through the gears?






Mustang.
Not as clean, but also not as much and the 85 5.0 had the E5AE cylinder heads, though if I recall they were the truck castings and flowed so much better than the 86 FI heads. I think in 87 the E7’s came out, and I have seen some pretty good 87 cars from the factory, but after that the performance from the heads was always hit or miss.
The Blazer is very clean, looks restored actually, and I do dig the manual, 2 doors and a v6, but it is still a 2.8 narrow V with the relative bell housing, so even if you thought the internals might survive an LS swap, it would still be a bit of a boggle to get the trans adapted.
Mustang for me even though I suspect it isn’t a real ‘GT’. It’ll be a more fun and pleasant drive. I’ve been in old Chevy S10 and Chevy Blazers… the driving dynamics of those suck even compared to a Fox Mustang… with itself isn’t that great in stock form.
Of note, due to the single exhaust and lack of ‘HO’ or ‘High Output’ on the air cleaner cover, I suspect that this Mustang isn’t a real GT.
It’s probably a lesser V8 trim with the badges tacked on after… which means it has a 175HP version of the 302 not the 210HP version with the better cylinder heads which supposedly came with a dual exhaust.
But it still gets my vote in spite of that.
It does say “4V H.O.” on the air cleaner cover.
It also has the GT on the rub strips behind the doors – hard to see but it is there.
Oh… after a 2nd look, yeah you can barely see it. Makes me more pleased about the way I voted.
Oh yes it does. I missed that because it was turned sideways. So now I’m more please about voting for it. Though I’m still wondering about that single exhaust I see.
Generally when I see a foxbody, I’ll vote for whatever the other option is, and in this case the other option being a really clean little truck made the decision even easier.
Normally, I’d go with any pony car over any Blazer. The Mustang looks a little suspicious to me, though, what with the stickers, the shift knob, the steering wheel all possibly indicating an abusive relationship between owner and car. The Blazer, OTOH, is just incredibly clean. It’s a pretty big imaginary money difference, but I’ll take near-perfect Blazer over somewhat beat-up Fox body.
Needs a 4.3, I’d take the Blazer
All things being equal, I’d probably lean Blazer. But as nice as it it, it is still a little underpowered and for $8500 is pricey for a 41 year old Blazer.. I could definitely find something newer and a lot more capable for that kind of money. So I’m voting for the 5.0 and would definitely lean into fixing that interior first.
In high school a buddy of mine had a gen 1 S-Blazer that he swapped a 383 stroker motor into. Went like a stabbed rat!
Another friend had a gen 2 S-Blazer. I had a gen 2 S10.
Blazer for me today. Ahh nostalgia
Finding that clean a Mustang around me is impossible. One-way ticket to CA and a road trip back home, yeah! Then time to make that horsey kick. A subtle exhaust, LED headlights with DRL’s so people notice it and I can see on the way home from the cruise-in, a modern stereo with Bluetooth to take phone calls and maybe convert to EFI. Carbs are black magic while EFI is a lot simpler to me.
I voted Blazer, but should have looked more closely at the prices. $8500? Yikes. The Mustang plus another $4000? You could do so much. A widebody kit and some new wheels and tires. Or a twin turbo kit. Or fix it up and keep it stock.
This isn’t even a question worth asking. The Mustang. There is not one single thing that car might need that the aftermarket or second hand market can’t supply. If you cleaned this car up and only replaced a few things that absolutely need to be replaced, you could flip this car for a profit. 1985 was the last year for a V8 Mustang with a carburetor and only if you got the T5 manual transmission. It also is the first year with the roller camshaft and 8.8 rear axle. It was also the first year the 5.0 came with a true dual exhaust. So much potential for this car.
I voted the mustang and would but the price delta into fixing the interior. Boom, there’s a perfect weekend cruiser.
My thoughts exactly.
The first new car I ever bought was a 1983 Mustang GT, the first year for the 5 speed. The T5 was so much better than the 1982 GT with the 4 speed that my friend had. Another friend (a couple of years later) had an SVO Mustang with the World Class T5 and the Hurst shifter and it was even better.
After a couple of years, my car developed the habit of occasionally kicking out of first gear when I’d engage the clutch, which could lead to some scary left turns. I kept taking it to the dealer and kept getting the “can’t duplicate” write up. I eventually agreed to let the service manager drive it for a few days (while I drove a dismal 4 door Escort loaner); it finally kicked out on to him and almost caused an accident. It was the only time I ever bought an extended warranty and it paid for itself with the rebuild of that T5.
The price on that Blazer makes this a much tougher choice than it should be, but I still went with it.
Maybe the seller is trying to recoup some of the respray cost?
I’m not sure what carpet looks alright here? Still voted Mustang the$4K price delta leaves plenty of room for interior improvements, and with the top down getting the carpet out should be a breeze. I like the Blazer, but that price is eye-watering, while the Mustang is the most sane price I’ve seen on one in a while, probably because the nice ones in my neck of the rust belt are all priced because “I know what I’ve got”
I don’t care how clean that Blazer is, have you guys driven a 4×4 Blazer with the 2.8L?
What a slug. No thanks. I’m gonna put the ragtop down so my hair can blow.
I agree. I love the concept but the later4.3L was a vast improvement. The 2.8L is out of its element and has a high probability of spinning its bearings. The 4.3L felt effortless compared to this.
My mom’s 1979 Mustang 5.0 was not that reliable. The stick made it sound a little more desirable… but boy is that Blazer clean.
I’m not a convertible guy, and I absolutely love that bodystyle of Blazer, so even though its price is stupid that’s what I’m spending my fake internet money on.
I’m going for the Blazer. I’ve always liked those and wanted one for a winter run around car but it just never worked out. A later model with the MPFI 2.8 would be better – had one in my old Firebird and it was fine.
That price, though…
Hey Mark, the XR4Ti came with the fragile as glass T9, not the T5. I know, because my buddy has one that’s been swapped to a T5.
Also, I’ve had a sudden desire for a convertible the last few months, so I’m picking the drop top fox.
I don’t care how clean it is… a 40 year old Blazer is not worth 85 Benjamins.
Mustang by a mile. Yes that is one of the best looking S-Blazers I have seen in a long long time, but that price is about twice what it is worth.
For the Mustang pretty much all of the interior pieces are now being reproduced. Not sure if this one originally had the light or dark grey but both are available. https://lmr.com/item/LRS-06024V/mustang-console-arm-rest-pad-gray-79-86 The dash is available too.
The Clipse taught me that I’m to like my whips topless.
If it was red, the Mustang.
Hi Missy – I mean MOM.
That’s a great reference!
Remember when i asked her to prom?
SHUT UP, Ted!
A blue blazer will get you in all the fancy restaurants. I’ll take it.
I’m generally in the “always Fox Body” camp, so you know my vote. Also there’s a Blazer like this parked a block a way from me so it’s not a rare sight.
Repro parts for the Mustang are fairly readily available, including the dash pad and center console lid. Relevant to me because my Ford Durango shares those parts.
Also the reason Ford went with “5.0” for these engines was to avoid confusion with the 300ci inline 6 which is also 4.9L. In Australia, cars with the 302 V8 were indeed badged “4.9.”
https://globaltrim.com.au/cdn/shop/products/11_all_badges_500x.jpg?v=1613262327
My LTD is rocking the strongest “factory” version of the T-5. Ford Racing sold a heavy duty version in the Performance Parts catalog and it’s often referred to as the T-5Z due to the part #. Despite being beefed up my car is still way over its advertised torque limit.
Dammit, now I want “Fairmont 4.9” badges for no good reason
Already been thinking about it.
My dad had an Aussie XD Fairmont Ghia when I was growing up down there. One time we came to visit the US and I still remember going to the parts department of a San Diego Ford dealer and buying a new ’86 Crown Vic hood ornament which he installed on the Fairmont.
My brown Fairmont has a hood ornament mount with the hood ornament missing…
You have a Ford Durango!?! DAYUM! That’s rad AF!
Just bought it last month from my longtime friend Rob Stercraw here. It’s definitely a project and it’ll take some time to resurrect.
It’s the perfect intersection of oddball and Fox chassis which are both very relevant to my interests.
That is awesome!
I’d love it if you joined us on opposite-lock.com and shared pictures and details.