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Why Did Trunks Open Like This And The Amazing Variety Of Traction Avant Trunks

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Today was a busy day of David and I trying to abuse the Nissan Murano Cross Cab that you may recall from my embarrassing attempt to do some cop hood slides. All this is to say that I ended up quite filthy and exhausted, fell asleep while planning to do Cold Start, woke up with Cold Start somehow unfinished by sleep elves, and now here we are. Luckily, I happened to notice a weird old brochure that got me thinking. Thinking about trunks. And that led me to realize something about an important car, so let’s get to it.

The brochure that started it was one for a 1950 Mercedes 170V, as you can see up there. For a 1950 car, the design is a bit archaic, which is understandable – these W136-series cars were around since 1935, so it wasn’t exactly a cutting-edge design.

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But you know what? There was a cutting edge sibling to the 170V! The V there stood for vorn which means front, as in where the inline-four engine was, because there was another, less popular variant, the 170H, H for heckmotor meaning “rear-engined” and that was cutting-edge, for the time.

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Image: Mercedes-Benz

But I’m getting off-track. What I wanted to discuss about the 170V is this:

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Image: Mercedes-Benz

Look how that trunk opens, with the bottom hinge. It seems such an awkward and ungainly way to handle an opening trunk! and that’s about as far as it extends open:

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Why did trunks open like this? I really can’t think of a worse way to try and load heavy suitcases into that thing. Was it because the tire inset into the trunk lid made that lid wildly heavy? I’m not sure, but it seems awful. And this wasn’t limited to Mercedes-Benz. Look at this Citroën Traction Avant:

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Image: Citroën

Same madness. It’d be such a pain to get those suitcases into a trunk that opened this way! Why the hell was this such a relatively common design for so long?

So my intent was to kvetch about this lousy trunk-opening method, but then I got sucked down a Traction Avant trunk rabbit hole, because this car seemed to have almost every possible method of getting luggage into the trunk that was possible with the technology of the era.

The first ones had no opening trunk, you had to load everything from the inside, folding the rear backrest, like a Henry J or something. So that’s one way. Then there’s the stupid bottom-hinged trunk we see up there, that’s another.

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Then I saw one that had a top-hinged trunk, which makes much more sense:

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Image: Pacific Auto Sales

That one also has Volkswagen “snowflake” 1955-1961 taillights, so maybe there’s some shenanigans going on, but still. That top hinge seems to give much better access.

There’s more! There was an early “Commerciale” version where the rear dropped like a true tailgate and there was an upward-opening section, too!

Cs Whytrunk Ta 3
Image: Citroën

…and after that, there was another Commerciale variant that was, arguably, the first mass-market true hatchback:

Cs Whytrunk Ta 2
Image: Citroën

That’s a big deal in the trunk-access community! A true hatchback! But then the idea of a Traction Avant “commercial” vehicle went even further, and in 1949, the Copenhagen Citroën factory offered a Traction Avant van, with this remarkable wooden roll-up door, like a desk:

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Cs Whytrunk Ta 5
Image: Citroën

Holy crap, right? Unfortunately that cheap-but-charming wood-slat door would swell in the rain and leak or be hard to open, so finally there was a version with a side-hinged rear door:

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Image: Citroën

So this all means that Traction Avants had, let’s see, seven different methods of getting access to the cargo area of the car. That’s bonkers.

Okay. Now I’m going to get a little more sleep. My work here is done.

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Sofonda Wagons
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Sofonda Wagons
4 months ago

PS it is totally cool to be weird.

Sofonda Wagons
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Sofonda Wagons
4 months ago

I’m beginning to suspect that maybe, just maybe, Jason has an odd abnormal obsession with the vehicular ass. I’ve heard rumors that this obsession starts out with a tail light fetish….then it progresses to does it have an amber turn signal Lense…then it moves onto trunk openings. Just my observation. No worries, Jason, I’m sure somewhere out there a 12 step program exist to help you with your vehicular ass obsession. In the mean time, keep these freaky articles coming weirdo!!!!! WE LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited 4 months ago by Sofonda Wagons
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
4 months ago

Won’t fit a grandfather clock? No dice

Chris Stevenson
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Chris Stevenson
4 months ago

I need use heckmotor in my everyday vocabulary.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
4 months ago

That Traction Advant Commerciale walked so that the GTI and Type R could run.

Jimmy7
Jimmy7
4 months ago

Looks like the designers of the Kaiser Vagabond came across a split-tailgate Citroen Commerciale somewhere in their travels.

Lot_49
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Lot_49
4 months ago

It’s useful tips like “Don’t by a Citroën Traction Avant with a tambour rear door unless you don’t ever let it out in the rain” that keep me coming back to The Autopian. Thanks!

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 months ago

As others have commented, the drop-down trunk lid was used so that it could function as a luggage platform if there was too much stuff to close it on. This article focuses on German and French examples but the British were particularly fond of it to the point that by the time car production was interrupted by WW2 it was the normal way to get into the boot for your boots (in front of Boots’?)

After the war, the Austin A40 Somerset is a particularly weird example being a full 3-box design that forced the user to open the lid by pulling it more or less straight up and must’ve made quite an awkward extra-stuff platform. By 1959 the only remaining example was the Ford Popular, itself a lightly-warmed-over 1938 body design on a 3/4-scale Model A chassis (and probably also the last new car in the world with a fixed fabric roof insert).
Until the Mini came along just as the prewar-look Popular was going out of production…

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
4 months ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

But then the Mini itself also had the bootlid-as-platform thing going on, to such an extent that early models had a hinged numberplate so that it would still be readable with the lid open.

Bill
Bill
4 months ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

A brilliant feature on such a small car, the original Mini really did punch above it’s weight in so many ways.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
4 months ago

Both of the bottom hinged examples appear to have the spare tire in the trunk lid. That would be pretty heavy to have to lift up.

John Patson
John Patson
4 months ago

Both the Merc and the Traction Avant were loved by the Gestapo. So it is probably something to do with that scissor hinge being used on fingers…

MAX FRESH OFF
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ClutchAbuse
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ClutchAbuse
4 months ago

Jason, have you written a book? Because I really think you should.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
4 months ago
Reply to  ClutchAbuse

He has!

Robot Take the Wheel about autonomous cars.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
4 months ago

That was ages ago, and I finished my copy twice already.

We need more Torch books.

Jakob K's Garage
Jakob K's Garage
4 months ago

Old cars with body on frame weren’t sturdy, so best to have the hinges close to the frame on the Mercedes – Like on almost all american pick up trucks by the way! 😉

Also, old Corvettes and SAABs – and the Karmann Ghia type 14 – had that awkward put the luggage in the back from within the cabin set up. But you knew that of course, JT 😀

I didn’t know our local CPH Citroën factory here, just down the road, made those sliding wood rear hatches (check out our silly name for them, yes a jealousy cubboard). Thanks! My vintage Citroën knowledge is most about the DS, 2CV, GS,BX and CX.

Last edited 4 months ago by Jakob K's Garage
Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 months ago

I keep trying to make “passback” stick for the body style where there’s no external opening to get to the luggage space behind the back seat, but I’m about 70 years late to that.

Last edited 4 months ago by Nlpnt
Torque
Torque
4 months ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

“Stop trying to make “Passback happen Nlpnt!” 😉

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago

And Bugeye Sprites too.

Jllybn
Jllybn
4 months ago

The words “jealousy cupboard” reminded me of jalousie windows, and Wikipedia had this to say…Jalousie is the French word for “jealousy”. It originated in 18th century France from the Italian word geloso, which means “jealous” or “screen”, as in to screen something from view.

4jim
4jim
4 months ago

I was glad you mentioned that it only opened so far. I was worried that the heavy spare would squish that kid. Child safety was NOT a thing back then.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  4jim

Children are easily replaced by unskilled labor. Though the task is more fun if you are good at it, I suppose.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
4 months ago

tut tut, to transport the mandatory office ficus to corporate headquarters my good man.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
4 months ago

I wonder if it might be a way to increase capacity? The trunk lid is effectively a tailgate, and you could stack stuff inside as well as in the space outside using the lid as a retainer. A few straps would prevent anything from bouncing out, and a tarp would protect it from the weather.

Jack Monnday
Jack Monnday
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

That’s what I thought too! Like in early Minis.

Fjord
Fjord
4 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

This is what I’ve read about this idea before during my days of TA ownership – it was common to overload the trunk and this bottom-hinge approach allowed that. The top-hinged ones tried to do the same thing by having a ‘bustle’ profile to increase trunk volume rather than the flush-mounted bottom hinge designs.

Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
4 months ago
Reply to  Fjord

Seems so much more convenient to just have a fold-down luggage rack on a conventional trunk lid. In fact most of the British sports cars in the 60’s came with some kind of luggage rack to supplement the trunk space.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

So what did Amphicars have, swimming trunks?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I prefer my cars with speedos.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

This also needs to join COTD!

Wowf
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Wowf
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I like my cars like I like my men …

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
4 months ago
Reply to  Wowf

With junk in the trunk?

Wowf
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Wowf
4 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

And a spare tire attached.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
4 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

COTD here!

SNL-LOL Jr
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SNL-LOL Jr
4 months ago

I’m just surprised MB was back to making civilian vehicles so quickly. Did they have a single workshop, lest factory, standing?

Phonebem
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Phonebem
4 months ago
Reply to  SNL-LOL Jr

The Marshall Plan at work.
Get Germany back on their feet so they don’t have another generation sitting around being pissed about losing another war and potentially go full communist. I’d wager it worked-out pretty well…

Last edited 4 months ago by Phonebem
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
4 months ago
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Which is exactly why VW exists at all today.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
4 months ago

A bottom hinge is far easier to implement, so it would make complete sense that it was a common configuration until enough people realized that other methods were worth paying for.

Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
4 months ago

Why easier to implement? Seems like it would be the same either way.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
4 months ago
Reply to  Jesse Lee

You don’t need anything to prop it open safely.

Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
4 months ago

But you still need the struts to keep it from opening too far. The same struts turned upside down can be used as props.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
4 months ago
Reply to  Jesse Lee

Struts wouldn’t necessarily be needed. Hinges with stops or just a bump-stop on the trunk could work. Also, a chain or strut that works just as a stop is less of an investment than one that needs to hold a weight up safely.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
4 months ago

It’s been mentioned, but could this be a holdover from the rumble seat era? I’m also wondering if, since this was before the time of lift struts, a spring lift mechanism would have been too expensive/failure prone for the top hinge design. That trunk lid would have been quite heavy compared to modern rear doors, and it would have likely needed some lift assistance. Or maybe there was no lift assist and there’s your answer…

Last edited 4 months ago by Phonebem
Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago

I would guess that the trunk being something of an afterthought on so many cars, they just did the simplest thing they could think of — avoiding gas struts or prop rods, and just letting gravity do the work. Impractical, but seemingly easy.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

If gas struts weren’t well developed, they likely also saw the top-opening a hazard and the prop arm inconvenient to the user. And by not allowing it to fully open, it avoids the hazard of losing your luggage if you don’t latch it properly.

Side-opening would have resolved this.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
4 months ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Side-opening would have resolved this.

There’s a solution I hadn’t considered! It would have solved the difficulty to lift/safety concern of a top-hinge while still allowing better access than a bottom hinge.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
4 months ago

First of all, that 170H looks a heckin’ lot like a Beetle with a little extra bustle in the back.

Second, what’s with the spare in that Traction Avant with the top-hinged lid? Did you have to mount the tire as part of changing it on the side of the road? Where was the tire?

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 months ago
Reply to  Flyingstitch

And it should be noted the H did not return after the war.

Huffy Puffy
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Huffy Puffy
4 months ago

Is this too late for rumble seats?

Hautewheels
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Hautewheels
4 months ago

Ahhhh, more Citroëtopian news; the way Cold Starts ought to be :-). Nice to see them getting the recognition they deserve for their many innovations.

I suspect the bottom-hinged lid was due to the weight of the tire that was mounted there, as you surmised, and also because this would also make it easier to remove said tire from the lid. Are there any examples of a bottom-hinged trunk lid that didn’t have a tire mounted on it? A cursory bounce around the interwebz didn’t reveal any to me.

Last edited 4 months ago by Hautewheels
CSRoad
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CSRoad
4 months ago
Reply to  Hautewheels

BMC Mini.
It had a fold down number plate to make it legal to drive with it down and it provided a carrying surface.

Hautewheels
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Hautewheels
4 months ago
Reply to  CSRoad

Thanks. Yes that was a much more practical design.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
4 months ago
Reply to  Hautewheels

Yes. Assuming that the tire-looking sheetmetal is actually bearing a tire, you do want that trunk lid and tire resting on the hinge, rather than hang from a hinge, which then has to be supporeted by all the sheet metal back down to the frame. Also, you dont want to have to lift all that up every time you open the trunk.

Could a top-hinged version have had it’s lift assisted by a spring setup, like later cars? yes but not only do you loose trunk opening area like in all the cars of the 60s and 70s (at least), but if you put enough spring (or gas support for that matter) to lift the deck lid plus tire, then without a tire mounted it would smack you hard the moment the latch was released. Also, it would be impossible to mount the tire to the underside top-suspended lid. Or at least an olympic sport.

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